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Joe Dumars hasn’t made a bad move in more than two years
The Pistons have one of the worst rosters in the NBA. They’re capped out because of under-producing veterans and lack elite young talent. The picture looks bleak.
But flash back to July 13, 2009. The situation was even more dire then, even if we all didn’t know it yet.
That day, Joe Dumars traded Arron Afflalo to the Nuggets for a second-round pick. Dumars preceded the move by hiring John Kuester, signing Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva and trading Chauncey Billups for Allen Iverson.
Here’s the bright side, though: that was rock bottom. As poorly put together as the Pistons were at that moment, they haven’t take a step back since. That doesn’t change the fact that Dumars got the Pistons into this mess, and it doesn’t change the fact that Dumars hasn’t made the Pistons relevant again yet. But it should count for something – because I wasn’t exaggerating.
Since Dumars essentially gave Arron Afflalo to the Nuggets, the Pistons general manger hasn’t slipped once. Let’s look at all his moves between then and now:
Signed Chris Wilcox to a two-year, $6 million contract
Good move
Wilcox played well late in the season, and $3 million per year with just a two-year commitment is a bargain for a rotation-caliber big man.
Signed Ben Wallace to a one-year, veteran’s-minimum contact
Good move
Wallace was the Pistons’ best defender in 2009-10 and arguably the team’s best player that year. He was definitely one of the best bargains in the NBA.
Invited Maceo Baston to training camp
Neutral move
He had no real effect on the franchise.
Signed Chucky Atkins
Neutral move
Atkins surprised everyone by making the team, and he even had his moments during the regular-season. But overall, a team’s 13th man just doesn’t matter much.
Waived Maceo Baston from training camp roster
Neutral move
Expected since the moment he signed.
Waived Deron Washington
Neutral move
“Former 59th pick fails to make NBA roster” isn’t really a front-page headline.
Drafted Greg Monroe with the No. 8 pick in 2010 NBA draft
Good move
Based on draft-night logic, Monroe was an excellent pick, and his great rookie year only reinforced that.*
*I’m tired of people claiming Dumars doesn’t deserve credit for picking Monroe.
Imagine this alternate universe where the Pistons had the sixth, not the seventh pick, in the draft and the first five picks were John Wall, Evan Turner, Derrick Favors, Wesley Johnson and DeMarcus Cousins. The Pistons drafted Monroe, and today, people argue Dumars deserves no credit for the pick because Monroe was the only logical choice.
If that had happened, few people would question the Dumars detractors. None of the other available prospects held candle to Monroe. Why should Dumars get credit for doing what every other general manager would have done in that scenario?
But that scenario did happen, except the Warriors, not the Pistons had the sixth pick. And, of course, you know what they did. The drafted Ekpe Udoh, not Monroe. So, maybe Dumars’ options in reality at No. 7 weren’t as foolproof as they seem now. There are no certainties in the draft, and it’s not uncommon for general mangers to buck conventional wisdom.
Dumars got it right. He could’ve gotten it wrong, but he didn’t. He deserves credit for that.
Drafted Terrico White with the No. 36 pick in 2010 NBA draft
Neutral move
White’s jumper looked smooth during the summer league, and his athleticism stood out even during a photo shoot. But a broken foot sidelined him for the season, so it’s essentially impossible to grade that pick.
Re-signed Ben Wallace to two-year, $3.8 million contract
Good move
Wallace wasn’t as effective last season as he was in 2010, but he was still capable of starting on a bad team or playing backup on a good team. If his abilities erode further, I suspect he’ll retire rather than come back. For the money, he’s still a bargain – just less of one than on his previous contract.*
*As crazy as it is, Wallace is probably less valuable (production divided by salary) than he’s ever been to the Pistons. And he’s paid barely more than the minimum salary! That just shows how big a bargain he was before.
Signed Tracy McGrady to one-year, veteran’s-minimum contract
Good move
McGrady had a bounce-back season playing point guard for Detroit and definitely outplayed his contract.
Signed Vernon Hamilton to training camp roster
Neutral move
Hamilton was excited, but the move was a yawner.
Signed Ike Diogu to training camp roster
Neutral move
Maceo Baston 2.0
Waived Vernon Hamilton from training camp roster
Neutral move
Even more yawn inducing.
Waived Ike Diogu from training camp roster
Neutral move
Maceo Baston 2.0
Fired John Kuester
Good move
Drafted Brandon Knight with the No. 8 pick in 2011 NBA draft
Good move
Even if he’s not a lock to become an NBA success, Knight was the best player available at No. 8.
Drafted Kyle Singler with the No. 33 pick in 2011 NBA draft
Neutral move
I don’t think Singler has the talent and athleticism to stick in the NBA, but at least he’ll probably play hard and act professionally. Let’s call it a wash. Besides, I’m not sure a second-round pick can ever be a bad move. Too few of them ever impact the NBA.
Drafted Vernon Macklin with the No. 52 pick in 2011 NBA draft
Neutral move
By this point, the draft had basically run out of NBA players. You have to take someone.
Hired Lawrence Frank as head coach
Good move
So, that’s the list. By my count, Dumars went 8-0-11.
None of these moves have gotten the Pistons out of the cellar, and there’s still plenty of work ahead. Maybe the rise hasn’t been as quick as anyone had hoped, and maybe Detroit won’t turn the corner anytime soon.
But, slowly, the Pistons have been headed straight in the right direction, or at least avoiding their journey in the wrong direction, for a long time – 758 days and counting.* I doubt any other general managers have served that long without making a bad move. The feat won’t cause anyone to throw Dumars a parade, but it’s at least something.
*717 days if you want to pause the clock during the lockout.
The next time someone asks when Dumars made his last good move, here’s my response:
When’s the last time he made a bad move?
Detroit Pistons wave Ike Diogu and Vernon Hamilton
From a team release:
AUBURN HILLS, Mich. – Detroit Pistons President of Basketball Operations Joe Dumars announced today that the club has requested waivers on guard Vernon Hamilton and forward Ike Diogu.
Hamilton appeared in five games, averaging 0.6 assists and 0.8 rebounds in 3.6 minutes per game. Diogu appeared in three games, averaging 2.3 points and 1.7 rebounds in 5.3 minutes per game.
No surprise here. They were longshots to make the team when they were invited to training camp, and neither played much in the preseason.
The Pistons’ roster is down to 15 players, so no more roster moves need to be made.
Jonas Jerebko will miss significant time with torn Achilles
Those strong seven minutes of play from Jonas Jerebko last night were all we’ll be seeing of him for perhaps as long as five months: what was originally called a strained Achilles tendon is actually a torn Achilles tendon, per multiple Pistons sources. And the weirdest part is, on the play that Jerebko left the game, he appeared to be going to the locker room with an elbow injury.
I don’t have much to say. This is obviously devastating. Jerebko is one of the few new addition Pistons who actually embodies the hard-nosed, physical, “dog” style that the Pistons have always played. He’s also a versatile athlete and defender who was a good bet to take another step forward this season, heading into camp as the presumed starter.
As for the power forward position, I assume this means Charlie Villanueva will get his chance to start, or possibly Greg Monroe. It also means the Pistons are going to need some quality minutes out of a person like Chris Wilcox or Ike Diogu, which is a scary proposition to say the least.
The Big Question: Ike Diogu
With a cloud uncertainty thunder-storming, snowing and hailing on the Detroit Pistons, we wanted our Pistons preview series to capture that. So for each Piston, Patrick Hayes and I will identify and explain what we each see as the biggest question surrounding him entering the season.
DF: Did he pass his physical with flying colors?
I’d like to believe, even if he’s not as nimble as he once was, Diogu is as recovered from microfracture surgery as one can be. Because I’m with Rob Mahoney of The Two Man Game: Diogu can be a rotation player on a good team.
Maybe he’s just in camp to spell Ben Wallace and make John Kuester’s practices run smoother. If that’s the case, it doesn’t matter how healthy he is. He’s just a warm body.
But I hope he’s healthy, because, if he is, I think he can make this team.
PH: Can he beat out Chris Wilcox?
Last year, the Pistons brought in Chris Wilcox because he was an athletic, strong, once-promising but still young big man who bounced around and had occasionally put up solid numbers in limited minutes. That same description could be used for Diogu.
The difference is Wilcox has a guaranteed contract, and Diogu doesn’t. Last year proved the Wilcox is not likely to help the team.
If Diogu proves he can, would he cause the Pistons to consider eating the last year on Wilcox’s deal?
