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Jodie Meeks (on three-year, $19 million-plus contract), Cartier Martin signing with Pistons

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports:

Jodie Meeks has agreed to a three-year, $19 million-plus contract with the Detroit Pistons, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

Free agent Cartier Martin has reached agreement on a one-year deal with the Detroit Pistons, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

You can read my thoughts at ProBasketballTalk, but if you want a preview, the post starts:

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61 Comments

  • Jul 1, 20145:30 pm
    by joe

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    i’m starting to love the idea of keeping Josh Smith even more!

  • Jul 1, 20145:36 pm
    by Brandon Knight

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    Yeah we overpaid him…but the guy fits SVG’s system very well. 
    Don’t forget: He is one of the fastest players in the league if not the fastest. And a great 3-point shooter. 
    I like him. Good signing!

    • Jul 1, 201410:14 pm
      by Tim Thielke

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      A great three point shooter? He has had one season shooting the three ball over 40%. That was last year at 40.1%. He is merely a good three point shooter who contributes less of anything else than almost anyone in the NBA.

      Terrible signing at this price tag.

      • Jul 2, 201412:11 am
        by Jacob

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        So you wanted Morrow for 5mil a year? or Livingston for 5.5?
         

      • Jul 2, 201412:42 am
        by Breezy

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        Have you looked into his defense at all? Obviously not, According to mysynergysports.com, Jodie Meeks holds his opponents to .89 PPP. On ISO plays, he only allows 33% of FGs. On spot-ups, which is the most common plat that he goes against (33% of the time), he only allows 38% of FG. To give you a sense of how good that is, I will compare it to Avery Bradley and Lance Stephenson, both are known for their defense. Avery Bradley allows .88 PPP on 200 less attempts, and he is slightly better on spot-ups. Lance Stephenson allows .87 PPP on 60 more attempts. Stephenson is worse than Meeks on P&R Ball Handlers, but slightly better against spot-ups. Needless to say, Meeks is a capable defender.
         
        Also you’re saying he’s over priced for a guy who is coming to Detroit. Would any FA come here if we were bidding at the same price everyone else is? Come on now, also with increased cap, market values have gone up, Livingston got 3/16, so Meeks got 1 mill more per year, and he’s coming to Detroit while Livingston goes to Cali.

        • Jul 2, 201412:44 am
          by haydzzz

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          ^Exactly!

        • Jul 2, 201410:06 am
          by Lee

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          Well then… Nice argument Mr. Breezy. It makes me feel a little better about the signing. 

      • Jul 2, 20146:24 am
        by AYC

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        He had one year where he shot .397 from 3 pt land, which means if he hit one more 3 that season, he’d be over the magic 40% threshold and over the magic “do it more than one season threshold”.  Not to mention he had 3 seasons of shooting 89-90-89% from the line.  But of course because of they are 1 percent less (1-2 FTs a season), that must make him only a good FT shooter, not a 90% guy and thus unworthy of money.  He’s also entering the prime of his career and his most important skill- 3pt shooting, is one of the few stats that tends to improve over a player’s career. 
        Not signing the guy because he didn’t hit some magic round number is just moronic. 

  • Jul 1, 20145:43 pm
    by Anthony

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    Does this mean that they pulled their offer to Isaih Thomas?

  • Jul 1, 20145:48 pm
    by olliwoodda

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    think this is about $6 mill too much. Hopefully he lives up to this contract but so to sad Im doubtful

  • Jul 1, 20145:56 pm
    by Brian

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    Consider me underwhelmed do far . . . I was hoping we would sign the guy who would reduce Kyle Singler’s role to backuo small forward, instead we signed his backup. And Jodie Meeks does not move the needle for me at all. Last year was an aberration, and now he will be overpaid for the modest performance bump he experienced in a contract year. SVG is a good coach, but these signings indicate he is a rookie when it comes to the player valuation game.

  • Jul 1, 20146:02 pm
    by BigDogg

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    The 63.2  mil salary cap figure can that go up?  I know that’s the projected amount.  Just thinking of this Meeks deal. 

  • Jul 1, 20146:09 pm
    by BigDogg

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    I was thinking Morrow at 5mil and Meeks at 3-4mil.  Surprised at this, will be interesting what some of these other guys get. Ariza has got to be 10mil or more.  This seems to be half our cap space as well. 
     
    Ovbioysky the “fit” is good.  Not sure if he starts or comes off the bench.  I think KCP is gonna be ready with year of exp and nba/pro weight training program.  Think strength was his biggest weakness last year, seemed his shots were always online but either long or short, not off. 

  • Jul 1, 20146:09 pm
    by Parsons

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    Who’s Cartier Martin? Why waste money on him? I guess we’re really looking to trade, I hope. This doesn’t do much to move the needle much. I guess we’re just looking to platoon KCP and Meeks but that means we’re still going to need a PG and a SF. If that Batum trade happens and we keep Smith than it’s just a PG. Maybe a S&T for Batum and give everything else Thomas and hope to God they let him go.

    It’s not terrible but I hope it’s just a prelude to something bigger.

    • Jul 2, 201412:36 pm
      by JOB

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      pistons 3pt shooters rank: meeks, singler, cartier, JJ. so cartier martin is the pistons 3rd best 3pt shooter. I agree with your last sentence also.

  • Jul 1, 20146:33 pm
    by I HATE

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    Actually 6 mil with his cap isn’t too high…just have see what other guys are going to get…. this is a different like and market value changes
    A a few years ago athletic guys who couldn’t shoot would have got the same deal.. who similar numbers

  • Jul 1, 20147:09 pm
    by microjfox

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    It’s was a smart move. Stan Van just set the market price higher for free agency. Giving Meeks this much early is going to make it a lot harder for teams to cheap out on the availing option. Usually that makes teams more willing to trade and that is just what we want. If we make a good trade even two this signing will make much more sense. If nothing big happens we don’t get much better at all.

    • Jul 1, 201410:47 pm
      by Tim Thielke

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      Yes because that’s always how these things work out. Teams that overpay right off the bat don’t screw themselves but screw everyone else. Really? That’s your reasoning?

  • Jul 1, 20147:30 pm
    by JamesJones_Det

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    Not sure about the price but I like that everything I’m hearing and seeing is 3 year or less deals and not 4 or 5 year deals that just come back to bite us.  If we are going to gamble I would rather not have to wait 4 more years to learn we made a bad bet.

  • Jul 1, 20147:34 pm
    by Lorenzo

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    The numbers certainly make me cringe….I guess if someone like Korver can command around 6 million per year, so can Meeks? I don’t view this deal in favorable light but hopefully the guy tears it up….

  • Jul 1, 20147:37 pm
    by Cindi

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    All of you busters will ride his and SVGs Johnson just like you did Dumars when things were going good.  And just like an female whose man loses their job or doesn’t get it something right, you are going to butch up and dog it out.  I love this site bc it is full of little d muffins and scrub journalists.

    • Jul 2, 20148:01 am
      by hoophabit

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      Why won’t Google translate this into English?

  • Jul 1, 20147:40 pm
    by microjfox

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    Cindi, you fucking rock.

  • Jul 1, 20148:18 pm
    by Windy

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    Used 8 million on meeks and martin…that just seems wrong…I’ll give it a chance because who knows what else happens but initial feelings are we payed a stiff price for a much needed shooter…

  • Jul 1, 20148:34 pm
    by sop

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    They overpaid for Meeks. $5mil a year would have been ok but not 6.5

  • Jul 1, 20148:50 pm
    by Windy

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    Morrow is a good shooter but bad on D, we at the very least got a guy who can do more overall and is quick…need that shooting…

  • Jul 1, 20148:53 pm
    by I HATE

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    Advance Analytics say Meeks is well worth the money…

  • Jul 1, 20149:55 pm
    by frankie d

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    Wow!
    Spectacularly bad signing.
    Nit quite as bad as CV but close.
    I have followed meeks since he came into the league.
    he is a hustling, very limited 3 point shooter who runS very hot and cold.  Extremely streaky.  He went thriugh an austin daye like stretch when he was with philly and he better be glad doug collins was his coach otherwise he would be out of the league about now.  
    3…4 million?  Maybe.  Maybe.  6 million?  Outrageius.
    The kind of contract they will be dying to move in year 2.
    .nice player if you could get him at the right price.  6 million + is nowhere near that price.  This scares .me about van gundys judgment.

    • Jul 1, 201410:07 pm
      by Jacob

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      It’s hard to take any comments seriously, when the commenter can’t spell.
       

      • Jul 2, 20147:17 am
        by KaBa

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        You are just so right, because let’S face it spelling so much more important than having valid arguments.

    • Jul 2, 201412:38 am
      by Geoff

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      Some people think the Jason Kidd situation is ridiculous.  However, Gores actually gave coaching and front office power to a guy that might get the Pistons to a 1st round loss or a semi-finals.  He has no track record for having developed a championship caliber team.  So, despite laughing at the Kidd/Nets scenario, the Pistons are actually the laughing stock.  Hope the Meeks deal makes people reconsider their fawning of SVG as some type of savior.

    • Jul 2, 20147:32 am
      by labatts

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      Nowhere near as bad as CV because its only 3 years.  But, it does feel like they just keep making the same mistakes, though.  Real hard to like this team right now.

  • Jul 1, 20149:57 pm
    by frankie d

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    I like martin.  He will quickly become a fan favorite but imho he is basically will bynum in a bigger body. Does a y team need 2 bynums?

  • Jul 1, 201410:17 pm
    by Tim Thielke

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    Hey, there remains hope. The team can’t officially sign the deal until the tenth, I believe. So they can still back out of this nonsense, right?

    • Jul 2, 20143:23 am
      by omar

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      Technically they can but they wont. It would not be fair to Meeks who considers himself a piston now and isnt looking around for other options. It would also make the organization look bad.

    • Jul 2, 20147:16 am
      by KaBa

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      Now what on earth has SVG been thinking? Let’s do that Ben Gordon thing over again just worse.

  • Jul 1, 201410:31 pm
    by JOB

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    well, we did at least increase by 200% our 3pt shooters. Ariza, Mills, Morrow, Nick Young are really the other UFAs for 3 shooting right? It’s a good signing, we really needed some vet 3pt shooters.

    • Jul 2, 201412:14 am
      by Jacob

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      I would take Meeks over all of the rest. Tim seems Butt Hurt.
       
       

      • Jul 2, 201412:43 am
        by haydzzz

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        I would too. Tim seems very upset about it hahaha

  • Jul 2, 20146:39 am
    by AYC

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    How much would you pay for a guy who brings + defense, + 3 pt and FT shooting, fulfills a position of need and is age 26?
    People who are saying 3-4 million are the same kind of people who think they should be able to get an X-Large pizza with 5 toppings, a 2-liter, breadsticks, and wings for 20 bucks. 

    • Jul 2, 20147:14 am
      by KaBa

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      Yeah, why not just give him an MAX Contract. Let’s do it, because there is a direct correlation between Pizza and the NBA.

  • Jul 2, 20147:12 am
    by KaBa

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    Wow, that Money went really fast down the drain. In what world is that a good signing. Maybe Joe Dumars put on a SVG bodysuit on and is till running the business.

    • Jul 2, 201410:58 am
      by JOB

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      I don’t agree, but this is funny still. just picturing Joe D looking at the potential body suits and settling on SVG (it fits!).

      • Jul 2, 201411:25 am
        by KaBa

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        Maybe it’s just my memories but after I saw this, the first thing that came to my mind was the Gordon and CV signing.
        Thanx for the comment.

        • Jul 2, 201411:52 am
          by JOB

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          defense and team attitude. Meeks has, CV and BG not so much.

  • Jul 2, 20148:07 am
    by Hook Shot

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    Let’s see how this plays out before you push the negative button. SVG and Bowers have done their homework. They have broken down the players on film, assessed them and made their moves. If he can get rid of Jennings and move Moonroe for assets so much the better. 

  • Jul 2, 20149:07 am
    by Greg

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    What´s up with you guys??? I really like the addition the more I get to know about Meeks. He´s an efficient player shooting 40% on threes and 90% from the line. He´s a better defender than he gets credit for, can run and is a very good cutter and on top of that he´s just 26 years old and is entering his prime! What do you want more? Hayward and Parsons aren´t going to Detroit, that leaves Stephenson as the only Big Name available.
    Now I don´t know what the Idea is with Cartier but I believe he will be signed as the last player on a minimum deal or any exception that doesn´t eat up our cap space. So that leaves us with around 7 Mio to spend which means if the Isiah Thomas Rumor should be true there is a Trade looming. They want Smith so we´ll see what happens…7 Mio could still give us a very good Player…

    • Jul 2, 201411:35 am
      by KaBa

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      I would rather overpay Parson or Hayward then Meeks. And why shouldn’t they want to come to Detroit? After the signing of Meeks and Martin the Question is what’s going to happen with KCP. In what way is Meeks helping the development of KCP by locking up the minutes KCP should play, for what a few more won games? For me that is not reasonable, unless SVG decides to trade Monroe and KCP. If that happens I’m done for the season. You know the next coach is always around the corner.

      • Jul 2, 201411:55 am
        by JOB

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        they should be at 20mins each out of the gate with the balance going to stronger in game performer. That’s more than enough time for KCP to develop, and Meeks attitude should also be better for mentorship than Morrow or of course N Young.

  • Jul 2, 201410:26 am
    by Cry Lawson

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    Meeks would’ve got the mid-level from basically every team. Instead of 5.5 and going somewhere else we gave him roughly 2 million and an extra year or two. Stop crying about the contract because this is 2014 not 2009. We have a completely new roster and coaching staff and a lot of promise. Stan has already stated he’s not starting Drummond smith and Monroe but instead is starting Drummond and smith which is exactly what we needed to do last year. Drummond in the paint, Jennings and smith slashing with smith and monroe off the bench in the post or paint when Drummond is out. We will have two shooters on the floor at all times and Meeks is one hell of a three point specialist. We still have 7 million in cap and one guaranteed trade to get to eight million for Thomas. Stop this useless bickering over oh this is Joe Dumars all over again when All that Stan has done so far is add a starting SG for just over six million who is still young and thrives in a system that relies on floor spacing and is pretty good on defense. We have Singler play SG and he got torched, now singler can play SF if he wins the job and the pistons have everyone playing their natural position which is a pretty important start to chemistry which we had nothing of. Our main priority is signing Thomas now with the remainder of our cap or another SF/wing. We can go over the cap to sign Monroe that’s why we need to focus on building the teams weak points.

    • Jul 2, 201410:32 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      “Meeks would’ve got the mid-level from basically every team.”

      Do you have any evidence to corroborate that speculative statement?

      • Jul 2, 201411:07 am
        by Cry Lawson

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        I have evidence that you’re an ass based on all your comments. If that’s your only complaint on my post that I’m speculating any team with a need at SG or threes would’ve gladly paid the mid level for Meeks then what’s the point of commenting? Bradley just signed for eight a year with injury issues, roughly the same stat line but is a better defender. Let the kid play and you’ll see he’s gonna perform at the contract or higher

        • Jul 2, 201411:17 am
          by KaBa

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          Really that’s your way of starting an argument? Didn’t even care to read the rest.

        • Jul 2, 201411:29 am
          by Tim Thielke

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          So that would be a no then? I thought so. I could just as easily say about the BG and CV signings or the Smith or Jennings deals that basically any team would have given them almost as much.

          The point is that what others would have done in an alternate reality is a terrible argument because there can be no basis in fact whether it’s accurate or not. Also, who cares what another team would give a player? I care whether he will be worth his contract for the Pistons.

          Since all we have to go on is Meeks’ track record, I assess him based on that, not on what I imagine other teams would pay him. I see a good, not amazing shooter who had a particularly good run in a contract year but who contributes mind-boggling little in terms of rebounding and assists. I see a guy who is a slightly above average defender (yay, that genuinely makes me happy) who is good at getting steals. I also see a guy who can’t create his own shots at all and could be a nice role player alongside an offensive star, but I see the Pistons bereft of one of those.

          In all, I see a player who is worth well less than he is getting paid. I think that best case scenario, he is wort what he is paid. There is no room for upside in this contract. That’s what I call a bad contract. That is what happened with Hamilton and Gordon. A contract should be in the range that the player has at least the possibility of outperforming it. Admittedly, I also see the Celtics overpaying more for Bradley than the Pistons are for Meeks, but again, who cares?

          I may be an ass (opinions vary, but that is certainly one of them), but at least I back up what I say.

          • Jul 2, 201412:12 pm
            by AYC

            “I see a good, not amazing shooter”
            The guy’s FT numbers and age suggest that he should mature into a better than good 3PT shooter given the tendency of 3PT pct to climb later in a player’s career, especially for specialists. 
            “who had a particularly good run in a contract year”
            Or you could also note that he was a 2nd round pick, which already means he has well exceeded expectations and demonstrated the work ethic to bring that about and has started to blossom at age 26.  His first three years he had inconsistent minutes and developed his game.  Then in what essentially amounts to his fourth full-time season, he makes a major step forward.  4th season is usually when players take a major developmental step forward, and that’s for first rounders who immediately start.  This guy was a 2nd rounder.
            “but who contributes mind-boggling little in terms of rebounding and assists.”
            Yes, he’s not a perfect player, and I don’t think he really needs to do much of either playing around passers Brandon Jennings, Josh Smith, Greg Monroe, and even Andre Drummond, and the latter 3 also handle most of the rebounding duties.  We’re not grabbing Meeks to have him distribute the rock.  And I sure as heck don’t want him going for rebounds.  I want him in transition so he can hit an open transition 3.   
            “and could be a nice role player alongside an offensive star, but I see the Pistons bereft of one of those.”
            Well then consider letting go/trading Monroe or Drummond, because that’s the only way the Pistons were and are going to realistically get one.  
            “A contract should be in the range that the player has at least the possibility of outperforming it.”
            So if Meeks repeats his 2013-2014 stat line, but improves upon his 3pt % by a couple of percent to 42 and thereby bumps his ppg north of 16 while continuing to play + defense, that doesn’t warrant $6.33 million/yr.?

      • Jul 2, 201411:09 am
        by JOB

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        mills torn rotator (reduces supply of UFA shooters), avery at 8 per (which means 9 to another team), Shaun at what 5 per? those are the market data points so far

        • Jul 2, 201411:13 am
          by Cry Lawson

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          SG is the weakest position in the league as well. There’s only a handful of good ones out there

  • Jul 2, 201411:47 am
    by Alex22

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    Does anyone know if detroit is still going after isaiah Thomas ? 

  • Jul 2, 201411:51 am
    by AYC

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    I think its telling that in both of the threads, Tim has yet to name “his guy” and his price.  You gotta be willing to name at least a couple players you would like to target and what you think they can be signed for.  Or you gotta name how much you are willing to spend for what kind of player.  If you aren’t naming those things, then you have no per-established framework for evaluating signings and are instead being reflexively contrarian.

  • Jul 2, 201412:42 pm
    by clm

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    overpay on Jodie meeks but that happens when you’re in the situation the pistons are at the moment.  don’t understand the isiaah Thomas courting unless there is a deal to let go of Brandon Jennings.  having  Jennings and Thomas on the same team is not going to help you progress.  I prefer Thomas to Jennings but it definitely would be a mistake to have them both on the team going forward.

  • Jul 2, 201411:10 pm
    by Windy

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    I don’t get the Thomas thing at all, Jennings would have to be on the move…i wouldn’t mind thomas, his size is the obvious issue, what type of defence does this guy play at 5’9…im happy to dump Jennings but I dont think Jennings OR Thomas are the PG to help this team going forward…I like Dinwiddie if he can heal properly…has that confidence you need from the PG, but I’m not putting all my eggs in a 2nd round pick…

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