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Greg Monroe threating to sign qualifying offer if Pistons don’t trade Josh Smith

Zach Lowe of Grantland:

multiple sources say Monroe’s camp has made it known Monroe will sign the one-year qualifying offer if Smith remains on the roster. Monroe’s camp denies that, and that kind of empty threat is not atypical from top restricted free agents. It’s really their only form of leverage.

You can read my thoughts at ProBasketballTalk.

33 Comments

  • Jul 2, 20142:53 pm
    by deusXango

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    Is that the only way Monroe can become the best PF on the Pistons, trade Smith? With Smith gone his abilities as a defender, foot speed, and FT accuracy won’t increase…work with the organization for a sign & trade agreement that’ll satisfy all concerned.
     
    Okay, sign the qualifying offer and come off the bench for the next year…will he earn a max contract or become a locker room cancer? If he plays to his capabilities maybe he’ll find out what Stuckey did last year and that’s where he’s at his best.

  • Jul 2, 20142:57 pm
    by Tim Thielke

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    One of these days, a player will get smart enough to seek out a one-year deal well above the QO from another team. That would give the player much more leverage as he wouldn’t have to give up big bucks in year one by threatening unrestricted free agency.

    It would require cooperation from another team that is willing to have some cap space tied up for three days. But if they really want the player, that’s a small price to pay to form that relationship in case he does become a UFA the following summer.

    • Jul 2, 20143:54 pm
      by Grant

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      They wouldn’t have bird rights with their new team though. Which probably makes it much less attractive for both parties. By doing that, the player could likely screw up negotiations the next summer (ie. can’t do S&Ts, can’t get a 5th year, can’t stay with current team unless they have cap space again, etc.)

      • Jul 2, 20144:17 pm
        by Tim Thielke

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        True, but the expectation would probably be that when the FA shows the offer to his original team (as yet unsigned), that they either threaten to match–in which case he gets to be a UFA the next year anyway but with good compensation in the meantime–or that they work out a S&T with a longer contract with the other team.

        • Jul 2, 20144:33 pm
          by BigDogg

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          Thats a hell of a gamble to give up the Bird Rights.  Not sure you would last long in the Agent business.

          • Jul 2, 20144:58 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            You have to realize that the team that would be assisting in this would have no interest in doing so if they couldn’t afford to sign the player the following summer anyway. Because otherwise, if the original team matches, sure it makes the player a UFA but he would no longer be available to them. If that is the case, you really don’t need Bird Rights because you have cap space.

            And, if we believe the cap will be rising rapidly, Bird Rights are really only valuable to the team anyway, not the player. Because the player will always be able to find a few suitors with money to pay him provided he plays well enough.

            But, to your point, I am sure I would not last as an agent if I tried my hand at it. I have no interest in obsequiously kowtowing to players.

          • Jul 2, 20145:41 pm
            by BigDogg

            Bird rights adds higher year to year % increases and a fifth year.  Giving up alot of money.  ex. Carmelo can sign w/ Knicks for 5yrs, all other teams 4ys.  Again alot of money for a young player to give up in this scenario(Monroe). 
             

          • Jul 2, 20145:57 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            If he expects his career to be over in four years, you’re right, it is a lot of money to give up. But no more than by signing any other offer and then bringing it back to the original team to see if they will match it.

          • Jul 2, 20146:18 pm
            by BigDogg

            “A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush” – unknown
             
            This is why the Pistons have the leverage, because he DOES have to bring it back to them to match.
            “So Tim you want me to sign this 7mil one year deal, that the Pistons are gonna match(because thats a hell of a bargain), so i can leave NEXT summer….but they are offering 50mil dollars now Tim, you just want me to give that up, what if i get hurt?” – In my Greg Monroe voice.

          • Jul 2, 20146:48 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            More like a one year $10-14M contract. You honestly don’t believe that if Monroe looked for that, he couldn’t find a team willing to throw it to him? He would certainly be risking injury or poor play depressing his value. But no more so than signing a QO.

          • Jul 2, 20148:38 pm
            by gmehl

            “He would certainly be risking injury or poor play depressing his value”
             
            If he is to come back to the pistons and Smith is still here then there is every likelihood that he will have a bad season.
             
            The other thing to factor in here is that if Monroe was to take the QO it will be in the back of his mind and he’ll be thinking to himself ‘geez i can’t really afford to get hurt this season so i better go at half pace’. With my experience playing different types of sport over the years that is exactly the way you always get hurt… going at half pace!

          • Jul 2, 20148:41 pm
            by BigDogg

            Of course he could get that. That’s not the question, the question is SHOULD he do that.  No one has ever gone the QO route…no one. Monroe is not gonna do it either.  

          • Jul 2, 20149:52 pm
            by Max

            David Lee took a QO.  

    • Jul 2, 20146:01 pm
      by George

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      It makes some sense. It’s thinking outside of the box, I have to imagine an agent has thought about it, In fact it could have even happened. In Monroe’s current situation it makes sense. It might be a bit of a gamble, but I dont think it’s a huge one. Especially leaving it unsigned, it would at least put the pressure on the home team. 

  • Jul 2, 20143:18 pm
    by Lorenzo

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    Who knows what’s actually true, but I really find this one difficult to believe. Seems a bit far fetched.

  • Jul 2, 20143:44 pm
    by dan

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    Good for him, I support Moose 100% on this one. 1 season of Smith’s 3pt bricks is enough.

    • Jul 2, 20146:51 pm
      by Ryan

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      One season of Smith’s 3 pt bricks was more than enough. It’s almost worth just cutting him and eating his contract.

  • Jul 2, 20143:46 pm
    by iutjt

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    Time for Monroe to be traded. He gives half ass effort on the court for 4 years for an annual lotto team, and now he’s making roster demands?
     
    Who does this guy think he is, Jason Kidd?

  • Jul 2, 20144:14 pm
    by Tiko

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    We need to trade Smith regardless of what Monroe wants. 

    • Jul 2, 20144:59 pm
      by iutjt

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      Both need to go and start over. Too many options available to just come back with either of them at this point.
       
      If we can trade Smith for Thomas and Monroe for Ryan Anderson, Batum, or Millsap we have to do it.

  • Jul 2, 20144:35 pm
    by BigDogg

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    Monroe stated after the season there were “chemistry” issues in the locker room.  Maybe this is a mature young player telling his agent, that Smith is killing the team and he should go.  Doubt Falk would have him sign the QO..imo. #security

    • Jul 2, 20145:00 pm
      by iutjt

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      I think you have the wrong impression of Monroe. Just because he’s quiet most seem to think he’s a boy scout, but these are millionaire professional athletes and most of them are just out for themselves behind the scenes.

      • Jul 2, 20145:05 pm
        by iutjt

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        All this Monroe love will quickly change if we find out that we had a great trade lined up and he refused it, only to take the QO and then leave us with nothing next summer. Which is a real possibility. So I think fans should stop with the whole Monroe is a saint and we need to be loyal to him thing. For all we know he could leave us with nothing and suddenly become the most hated Piston in history.

      • Jul 2, 20145:46 pm
        by BigDogg

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        Everything that has EVER been said about Monroe is that he has high character.  Not saying a boy scout(DUH), as he is a grown man. 
        Now Josh Smith has been suspended by the teams he has played for, been called selfish, knucklehead, etc.  So who would i believe is causing chemistry issues??  WE ALL saw J. Smith jack up stupid shot after stupid shot, but you defend JSmoove??  You my friend are in the minority.

        • Jul 2, 20147:22 pm
          by iutjt

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          Since when does being in the minority or majority mean anything in regards to being right or wrong? That means nothing (to me at least)
           
          Regardless, I didn’t say anything about Smith anywhere, so I don’t know where you got the idea that I was defending him. 
           
          This is about Monroe. And if he takes the QO and leaves us with nothing, we’ll see how much character you think he has then.

          • Jul 2, 201410:17 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            Since people knew what they were talking about. The majority of people think LeBron is the best basketball player on the planet. You know why? Because he is. Sometimes the majority is wrong. But, all else being equal, they’re more likely to be right than the minority.

          • Jul 2, 201410:36 pm
            by Jon

            Him taking the qualifying offer have nothing to do with his character. He doesn’t owe the team anything. He’s been in a bad position since he’s been here from being with a team with no talent to being on a team with no coaching to being on a team that doesn’t fit at all and yet he’s still managed to make himself into a player who will be receiving a max contract this offseason.  He doesn’t need to thank the Pistons for anything. He doesn’t have any reason to be angry at the Pistons bc they haven’t held him back enough to where he’ll be losing money this offseason but they sure as hell haven’t done all that much to help him further his game. Would it suck to lose him for nothing at all? Yeah it definitely would but there wouldn’t be much of a reason to be mad at him for looking after his own interests. 

  • Jul 2, 20144:46 pm
    by KaBa

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    Has anyone seen that Ben Gordon is about to get a 2year 9mil contract from Orlando. You can only hope that they have seen some of his games since he left the Bulls. Oh boy and I thought the Pistons are overpaying Meeks, which I still think.

    • Jul 2, 20145:11 pm
      by Tim Thielke

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      I’ve not seen that but I will definitely be laughing if it happens.

      • Jul 2, 20145:29 pm
        by KaBa

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        Here is the Link from ProBasketballTalk: http://goo.gl/w42uv0 

  • Jul 2, 20149:44 pm
    by James

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    Monroe, as I thought earlier, is somewhat diva-ish. Never liked his game, his goofy and aloof demeanor, begging the refs for calls all night. I am OPENLY hoping they get rid of him ASAP.  Smith and Jennings will follow suit hopefully.

  • Jul 3, 20142:16 am
    by Don quan

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    Everyone is talking bad about Josh Smith shooting 3 he does shoot 3 but he does make 3 too. He was the pistons leading scorer 3rd in reb and 2nd in blocks. It was his 1st season with the pistons playing the 3 spot instead of his natural 4 which is uncomfortable for a player and he still was their leading scorer.i mean come on you gotta give the man a chance then no real coach. Greg Monroe don’t play defense. Drummond and Smith were the only players out there blocking shots not Monroe. Monroe got potential he can become the next Tim Duncan if he works on his shot. SVG will make Monroe a Tim or Dwight Howard. SVG loves his big men to perform at a high level and the shooting to stretch the floor for a big to score that’s the SVG system. It will be a big mistake if Greg leaves cuz only SVG can make him a better player and Smith can come off the bench for Monroe which will give the bench a huge lift.

  • Jul 3, 20144:44 am
    by James

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    Monroe in the same sentence with the GREATEST POWER FORWARD OF ALL TIME is simply FOOLISH. Be for real dude, if you like the guy, that’s cool, but he will NEVER BE ON THAT LEVEL.

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