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Race for 8: Pistons host Bobcats

Essentials

  • Teams: Charlotte Bobcats (23-30) at Detroit Pistons (22-30)
  • Date: February 18, 2014
  • Time: 7:30 p.m.
  • Television: FSD

What to look for

The Detroit Pistons will host the Charlotte Bobcats tonight in a matchup of playoff hopefuls. The Bobcats are clinging to the eighth spot in the Eastern Conference standings, but the Pistons are right on their heels.

Both units play tonight and tomorrow in a home-and-home set that will either make the playoff race more compelling or pretty much boring. In the event Charlotte wins both contests, it will create some separation between the teams that might hold up for the remainder of the season.

Sounds preposterous right?

And yet, it’s fairly accurate. Charlotte and Detroit have played two of the easiest schedules in the league (based on opponent winning percentage) through the first half of 2013-14, but the rest of the campaign is slightly tougher.

Both teams will face stiffer competition, and the Bobcats hold the edge in remaining home games. 15 of Charlotte’s final 29 games will be played in the state of North Carolina, whereas Detroit will play 13 of their final 30 contests at the Palace of Auburn Hills.

It gets a bit worse.

The Pistons have a four-game western road trip with stops at the houses of the Denver Nuggets, Phoenix Suns, Los Angeles Clippers and Utah Jazz. On the flip side, The Bobcats’ biggest road trip the rest of the way has them playing at the Cleveland Cavaliers, Washington Wizards and Boston Celtics.

Yikes!

Oh and by the way, Charlotte currently holds the head-to-head tiebreaker with Detroit by virtue of a December 20 victory at the Palace. After trailing through much of that contest, the Bobs turned to Al Jefferson in the fourth quarter, and he morphed into Hakeem Olajuwon.

Jefferson went to the low block and terrorized Detroit’s interior defenders. He dropped 15 fourth-quarter points on 7-of-11 shooting. It’s a little weird to call a set of February games important, but make no mistake, that’s exactly the case.

In the event Detroit can sweep this home-and-home set, the Pistons obtain the tiebreaker at the expense of the Bobcats and place themselves in a relatively decent position to make the playoffs.

Read about the Bobcats

Queen City Hoops.

68 Comments

  • Feb 18, 20146:54 pm
    by anacaniwelk

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    I’m still laughing at Charlotte for pissing away 15 million in cash (difference between Gordon/Maggette’s remaning salaries) for most likely a mid-1st from Detroit.  LOL!  15 million!!! for a likely role playing bust who will waste their cap as well. Such a stupid move.

    • Feb 18, 20147:30 pm
      by gmehl

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      Well I disagree. That mid first rounder could end up being the next Paul George.

      • Feb 18, 20148:27 pm
        by anacaniwelk

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        Paul George?  Bout a 2% chance of that happening.  Are you gonna bet 15 million if you got a 2% chance? No you’re not. It’s probable they won’t get a player as good as Stuckey and you don’t spend 15 million dollars just for the right to draft Stuckey.

        • Feb 18, 201410:46 pm
          by gmehl

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          Whatever the Bobcats spent to get that pick is irrelevant. What is relevant however is that our owner sold that draft pick rather than amnestying Gordon. Yeah it saved HIM money in the short term which he probably thinks he was very smart/savvy in doing so but he’s losing it all now with how empty the Palace is and will be for the foreseeable future. The thing that worries me most is when we re-up Monroe with a max deal and then are locked into the Monroe/Smith/Drummond lineup for the next 4 seasons. After watching tonight’s game you’d assume Josh McRoberts would fit better on this team than Monroe would. That is how badly assembled this team is atm… I don’t know if Charles Barkley was just talking about just Smith and Jennings when he said there a bunch of idiots down there in Detroit. I might be reading between the lines but I think he was referring more to a certain someone in the front office.

  • Feb 18, 20148:08 pm
    by Windy

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    I’m sure there are more than a few teams laughing at the Pistons for taking on Smith and Jennings…John Hammond had really enjoyed passing along busters to Joe D eh, take CV and Jennings who we invested 65million into over the course of their contracts and they get Brandon Knight and Kris Middleton…not bad 

    • Feb 18, 20148:59 pm
      by anacaniwelk

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      Uh, Hammond is the architect of a 9-43 team. Knight and Middleton have done their part to create all those losses. In case you haven’t been paying attention Jennings is outplaying the contract he signed.

  • Feb 18, 20148:13 pm
    by Windy

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    So far no changes to the the lineup whatsoever from Loyer…glad he really dug into the roster over the break to work out some of the links like he said…can someone please play defence at the very least…I could live if we lost playing awesome defence…can’t wait until this team actually builds around that monster we have at centre 

  • Feb 18, 20148:38 pm
    by anacaniwelk

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    Tom Izzo…..it’s time. Hope Gores can convince Izzo to take the job.

    • Feb 18, 20148:47 pm
      by JYD for Life

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      That’s not happening. 
      He has said a number of times he won’t quit until he gets at least one more NCAA championship.  
      He’s also part of something unique at MSU.  They’re one of the few schools that truly recruit together, share endorsement dollars, etc.  

      • Feb 18, 20149:05 pm
        by anacaniwelk

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        Thing is there a ton of Pistons fans who couldn’t care less about the Spartans, or college basketball. If it means the Spartans would fall to the bottom of the Big Ten for a decade if the Pistons got Izzo…fine.  It’s college basketball. All those teams are even worse than the Pistons. Unwatchable.

        • Feb 18, 20149:18 pm
          by JYD for Life

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          What does that have to do with anything? 
           
          Im telling you that he said he won’t leave. 
           
          Also – with Rutgers, Nebraska, Northwestern and Minnesota in the big 10, I highly doubt MSU would ever sink to the bottom.  

          • Feb 18, 20149:21 pm
            by anacaniwelk

            Never say never. 

        • Feb 18, 20149:22 pm
          by JYD for Life

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          I wasn’t saying that Pistons fans care about the dynamics of the MSU athletic departments.  
          Izzo does though.  Why would he leave a pretty sound gig where he has a lifetime contract to join the circus that plays at the palace right now? 

  • Feb 18, 20148:53 pm
    by Hook Shot

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    Does Datome suck that bad that coach couldn’t give him some minutes?  Pistons need shooters bad. 

    • Feb 18, 20148:55 pm
      by JYD for Life

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      I’m not sure what the deal is.   
       
      He was the MVP of a league last year…you would think he could at least be an average player in the NBA.  

  • Feb 18, 20149:04 pm
    by starlight0997

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    It looks like we are choosing to tank at this point. What a bummer that this season could not go well. But the Pistons better be careful, they are at number 10 for the lottery right now, meaning they most likely would lose their draft pick.

    • Feb 18, 20149:07 pm
      by anacaniwelk

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      Starlight, much better to lose the pick this year than next.  Only number 1 protected next year. You should be hoping the Pistons lose the pick this year even if it ends up at 9.

      • Feb 18, 201410:07 pm
        by starlight0997

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        Well, it depends on which draft is (or ends up being) better. If 2014 is better than 2015, then the Pistons should hope for a good lottery this year. And If the Pistons actually do well next year, then losing 2015 draft pick won’t be that much of a big deal.

        • Feb 18, 201410:54 pm
          by gmehl

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          That’s the thing. I don’t think we are going to be better next year. While we re-up Monroe and are stuck with that big 3 without any shooters or good perimeter defence and the other teams in the east refocussing on winning again don’t be surprised if we take a step backwards. I mean those other teams like the Buck, Magic, 76ers, Cavs, Celtics and the Bobcats will all be getting better through the draft.

  • Feb 18, 20149:09 pm
    by anacaniwelk

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    I see Jefferson is abusing Drummond again.

  • Feb 18, 20149:41 pm
    by Windy

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    in no way do I think he is a genius but he has drop some trash off at the Palace in his days with the bucks…Jennings is not the type of guard you win with it’s pretty obvious, he stinks at defence which causes massive problems for our bigs…you can hide Monroes flaws a lot more with a capable defending guard…Jennings is not going to be the guard that we build with…spark plug off the bench sure…

    • Feb 18, 201410:00 pm
      by anacaniwelk

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      Well what we do know is that since Jennings arrived we are winning more and scoring A LOT more. Lord knows Drummond is thankful for all the easy buckets Jennings has got him.  But here’s the deal about the NBA, if you can’t get Lebron or Durant it doesn’t matter who you sign or what you pay cuz you’re not gonna win a title. Go look at all the moves made from the 25 teams who have ZERO chance of winning it all. So moves are better than others but they are all meaningless. 

    • Feb 18, 201410:03 pm
      by Vic

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      “Jennings is not the type of guard you win with it’s pretty obvious”
      i have seen the light. a pg with no defense is much worse than i thought

      • Feb 18, 201411:00 pm
        by gmehl

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        Vic did you see that play where Jennings didn’t fight around the screen and just let Walker go right to the hoop for a layup. Imagine if that play happened while celebrating the 88’89 Bad Boys with all of them in the house. I think Laimbeer would punch Jennings in the face if he saw that play.

        • Feb 19, 201410:38 am
          by JYD for Life

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          Well you don’t win with a PG and the combination of players this team has.  
           
          You could survive if the other four guys playing with Jennings wanted to set screens, rebound and defend.  Smith and Monroe are not those guys and Drummond wants the ball more too.  
           
          This team either needs to move Monroe and Smith or just Jennings…
          The Big 3 could work if there was a PG interested in running an offense and that’s not Jennings.  He’s valuable and obviously talented, but you can’t have two chuckers in the same lineup.  

  • Feb 18, 20149:46 pm
    by Windy

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    I agree fully about Datome…should have surrounded Monroe and Dre with a bunch of shooters this past offseason…now we’re stuck with a bunch of chuckers that make singler look like a sharpshooter…at the very least have a backcourt of Knight and KCP would have made us that much more better defensively…Jennings is at his best when were down 20 and he gets to just fire away street ball style…fun to watch sometimes but as a whole a bad player…

  • Feb 18, 20149:48 pm
    by I HATE LOSING (Predicting A Strong Finish)

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    We could surround Drummond with just shooters and win 50 games

    • Feb 19, 20146:30 am
      by JYD for Life

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      It’s not all about shooters…
      so if they signed Kyle Korver, you’re saying the defense would be better?
       
      they needed a PG who was interested in running an offense and better yet, a coach who wanted to implement an offense.  
      Spacing issues can be remedied with movement and great passing.  Shooting is important, but not the only problem. 

  • Feb 18, 20149:49 pm
    by Windy

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    KCP didn’t even take a shot in his whole 10 minutes…1/11 from Stuckey? 

  • Feb 18, 20149:51 pm
    by I HATE LOSING (Predicting A Strong Finish)

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    Smh…. I’m not surprised

  • Feb 18, 20149:54 pm
    by Windy

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    Would have been nice to get an Ariza, Udoh and like a Bellinelli for about a quarter of the money we spent on Jennings and Smith…Knight/KCP/Ariza/Monroe/Dre 

    • Feb 19, 201410:41 am
      by JYD for Life

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      That would have been solid, but you would need a lot more bench help to go with that.  
       
      Ariza and Udoh were not free agents…or were you talking about Udrih? 
      Bellinelli wanted to play for a winning team.  

  • Feb 18, 20149:59 pm
    by Windy

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    But hey we gotta make the playoffs…look how having capable players that actually play on their correct position are doing for Toronto…Dump an ineffective high-volume shooter for basically entire bench and they go on a tear…how can you move Gay at two years for nearly 40 million and people think 3 years left of Josh Smith is just impossible? Oh ya and he dumped that beaut of a contract of Bargnani and got a first round pick back and a nice three point shooter in Novak…now were going to probably resign Stuckey because he is good in his contract year…Go Joe Go!!! 

  • Feb 18, 201410:17 pm
    by pablum

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    GOing nowhere without a SG. NOthing to stop the medusa of Walker, Sessions, and the other fucker, with no #2 — and don’t give me the horrifyingly deceptive Singler stats  – do they have an “anti-stat” stat? They fucking should with Singler tonight. THat Walker/Sessions duo? That’s what we don’t fucking have. We got Singler and a DOA -KCP. And Jennings, who showed more clear evidence tonight with his  24/7 that he will never be an all-star in his career. But you put Sessions with Jennings? You put a Rip Hamilton with Jennings? You put fucking put a scorer with Jennings — then you got a real fucking team here.
    Al Jefferson took all of our Drummond All-Star kool-aid out of our souls (Drum’s game tonight another “anti-stat.”).
    Bobcats are for real with Jefferson, better than us if we have no shooter. and we don’t have a shooter. and it’s destroying the talent we have.

    • Feb 19, 201412:21 am
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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      Good post.

    • Feb 19, 20148:36 am
      by Huddy

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      Sessions is a 6’3″ back up PG, if that’s what you are hoping for at SG to take the pistons over the edge you will be disappointed.
       
       
      this night is a perfect example of what is wrong with your argument about Jennings and the All Star conversation.  Jennings puts up 24 and 7 on 38% shooting and you see that as evidence he is an all star while directly across the court a 23 year old Walker puts up 22 and 6 on 50% shooting and wins the game…there’s only so many spots on the all star team and Jennings doesn’t even win this one eastern conference PG match up tonight.  You could at least wait for a game where BJ looks considerably better than his direct competition for an all star spot to try and rehash that argument.

      • Feb 19, 201411:47 am
        by pablum

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        I responded to you this non-sense on the Bynum trade thread. Here’s my short response:
        (1) B. Jennings has played this entire season as a Piston without a SG. he has played with garbage and more garbage. Whe you actually play the game in reality — not in theory via analytics — you know the basic fundamental fact of the game the when a PG has a capable SG, they form what is known as a “back-court” And that fucking back court makes them individually better (oh yes it does!) and that back-court can take you to a title (Chauncey-Rip; Zeke-Dumars). Your all-star Walker has both Sessions and Henderson (surely you saw Walker with Sessions out there?!), both of who look like all-stars compared to our current Singler/KCP garbage. Again, I repeat. B. Jennings has played this entire season as our lead PG without even a hint of a competent SG. Not a hint (“Why let’s just put Singler as the #2 now — why not? BTW, Brandon you suck as our PG!). 

        • Feb 19, 20141:01 pm
          by Huddy

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          In reality the back court mate has no effect on Jennings poor shooting percentages game in and game out or his defense.  If you think Henderson and Sessions (who is primarily a back up that replaces Walkers and plays few minutes with him) are special players then…just wow.  Henderson and Sessions are mediocre players in this league as is Singler. 
           
          How could Jennings become an all star on a team with an average to below average SG?  IDK ask Kyrie Irving, Jrue Holiday, Rajon Rondo, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, etc (keep in mind I mean over the years i.e. Chris Paul in NO).  Some of them play with all stars at other positions…sure some…and Jennings has 3 talented big man to feed as well.  Having a good SG is not a prerequisite for becoming an all star or being a good PG.  Improving the SG position would make the backcourt collectively better…not Jennings individually better,
           
          I love that it is acceptable to call a 21 year old Pistons rookie garbage (and in past posts claim he WILL NOT improve his shooting), but I am a horrible fan for not having confidence in a 24 year old who has been in the league for 4 seasons and is shooting 38% from the floor.

          • Feb 19, 20141:24 pm
            by pablum

            (1) you are patently wrong. If we had merely a good SG this entire season, there is no doubt (a) we’d have a much better record; (b) Jenning’s fg% would better; (c) Jennings “D’ would be better because of their back-court chemistry and he’d have more energy, which is now being spent trying to carry the O for this team.
            (2) I am a fan using a fucking pseudonym which is way I can say fucking all the time and why I have nearly unlimited freedom to froth as my mouth sees fit. Dan, Patrick, et all are pro-scribes. There is a chasm of difference. My whole point in calling them out on the preposterous Jennings prophecy is that I know they would never say that shit on Pistons Live, or some other big-audience forum. And since none of them have responded to my point here — or the dozen readers or more who’ve also commented on this — they have proven me correct.

          • Feb 19, 20141:47 pm
            by Huddy

            1.) Jennings has played with a better SG and was worse (Ellis who has improved with his change of scenery).  Jennings wouldn’t become a better defender because of “energy” if he has the ability, but isn’t using the ability because of a lack of “energy” then that is even worse.
             
            2.) I am responding to you specifically responding to me (also a fan not a “pro-scribe”) as a bad fan for being critical of Jennings, not to the writers you are constantly accusing of breaking every rule of journalism. 
             
            To your last statement, no body has proven you correct.  Be careful not to self-aggrandize to the point where you think you are silencing critics when in reality people are probably tired or bored of arguing with one particularly eccentric dude.   No need to respond I am in the tired and bored category.

          • Feb 19, 20142:17 pm
            by pablum

            (1) Gee, I must be a fucking idiot to think if Monta Ellis played for the Pistons that everything I said would not be true. Because, by your logic, since Jennings was actually WORSE when he played with Ellis in Milwaukee — he would certainly be worse here as well. This is numb-nut logic. Call me whatever you will, feign boredom of me, whatever, but do not say numb-nut things like if we had Ellis as our # 2 we would not be a definitively a superior team than we are now — and that such superiority wouldn’t include B. Jennings as a key to that impressive backcourt.
            (2) I’m too fucking old to care about self-aggrandizement, especially on a hoop’s forum, — note my name “pablum” — look up what the word “pablum” means and tell me I’m self-aggrandizing.
            (3) Lastly — eliminate me completely from the whole Jenning’s all-star discussion. Some 12 people or so have commented on this. Are Dan et al “bored” or “tired” of them too? They goddamn know I’m right — shit Patrick wouldn’t even say Cheek’s should be fired in the Freep in a column where he argued Cheeks should be fired. It took someone here in the forum to say to Parick, “Why don’t you come out and just say Cheeks should be fired?” And then Patrick did. Given this example —  and NONE that you’ve offered — let’s both go to the gambling community — the most objective lot in our universe — and ask them what are the odds any of those writers goes on Pistons Live and makes the “Jennings will never be an all-star in his career” statement. What are the odds Huddy?!
            Now go do whatever kids like you do…. 

          • Feb 20, 201410:03 am
            by JYD for Life

            Not my battle, but I’d like to throw a couple of pennies into the discussion…
             
            Pablum – The piece is entirely subjective, so based on that, what is the problem?  Is the issue in your mind poor journalism or are you disagreeing with their opinion?  I’m not sure, in spite of reading all of the posts over the past week about this, but my guess would be the latter.  
             
            About Jennings – Huddy has a valid point about Jennings not being selected as an All-Star because of the competition within the conference.  Given the structure of the All-Star squads, it’s become even more difficult because they are filling the rosters with guards rather than a set number of PGs or SGs.  It’s not to say he doesn’t have “All-Star Level” talent, but there’s more to the discussion than that. 
             
            Jennings potential All-Star berth isn’t contingent necessarily on his performance, but more so on the fan vote and the opinions of the coaches who cast votes as well (often times not even the head coach).  
            That being said, the East has a plethora of guys around the same age and younger that will compete with Jennings for those guard spots.
            Let’s say there are 5 guards selected to an All-Star squad like there was this year:
            - Rondo/D.Williams/Wade/Irving/Wall and Rose are all in consideration for the fan vote to start.  We can safely say that with this crew out there, Jennings doesn’t stand a chance to win a fan vote.  I’m sorry if you disagree, but realistically, Jennings doesn’t have the “name brand” some of those guys do.  Also, the Pistons are not a wildly popular team overseas.  With the global exposure of teams like Boston, Chicago, Miami, NY, Brooklyn, it’s going to be tough to see a Piston voted in as a starter.  Not impossible, but less likely with the online voting and the increased exposure across the world.  
             
            - Beal/DeRozan/Oladipo/Carter-Williams/Waiters might get there/Lance Stephenson are all young guys who will challenge Jennings for spots each year.
             
            - Joe Johnson/Lowry/Afflalo/Kemba Walker  are all players that will challenge him for a spot as well. 
             
            Given the selection process is not necessarily numbers driven and this is a popularity contest, three things need to happen for Jennings to earn a selection: 
            - His numbers need to be ridiculously good 
            - The coaches placing the votes for the bench slots need to like him.  Not just his stats.  This process is far from objective.  
            - His coach needs to push other coaches for votes (Dwayne Casey did this for Toronto players this year).  Cheeks and Loyer don’t have that kind of clout in the league.  
             
            There are a number of factors working against Jennings, so it’s not unreasonable for someone to write that they THINK he will never see an All-Star team.  
            If I’m Jennings, I’d be more concerned with learning the nuances of being a PG and running an offense to make Drummond/Monroe/Smith and hopefully KCP better by getting them easy shots.  I don’t see it with Jennings yet…especially not when he’s taking 18 shots a game.  We won’t even scratch the surface about his defensive deficiencies.  
            As for you calling Dan/Vince/Patrick to say that to Jennings in person, I’m not sure what that accomplishes.  Why would he care what anyone, let alone those guys or us on this site have to say? 
             

          • Feb 20, 20144:30 pm
            by pablum

            All good shit, JYD, but the writers provided none of this context…And my Grantland analogy says it all as far as my rebuke. Words matter if you’re a pro writer, so you better damn think of the consequences of those words…that all. I’m done aggravating everyone with this….

  • Feb 18, 201410:19 pm
    by T Casey

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    5/17 for Smith and 7/18 for Sloppy BJ to lead the team to a 12 point loss. Welcome back, Piston. Welcome back.

    • Feb 18, 201410:26 pm
      by pablum

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      Bah — No one beats Al Jefferson tonight. No one.
      They blew us out in the 1st and sloppy Jennings and Moose were the only thing keeping us in the game.
       

    • Feb 18, 201410:30 pm
      by T Casey

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      *Pistons

  • Feb 18, 201410:24 pm
    by Mrdumas

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    I was at the game and there was ZERO defense played by the pistons NO EFFORT ..NO PASSION…NO INTENSITY …Greg Monroe needs to be traded…..josh smith has the worse shot selection and puts up way to many bad shots 

  • Feb 18, 201410:36 pm
    by Jon

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    race to nearly unwatchable…. pistons win.
     

  • Feb 18, 201410:38 pm
    by Jon

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    and I mean this seriously……. what are the chances we could move Moose, Smith AND Jennings if we seriously tried?
     

    • Feb 18, 201411:33 pm
      by Parsons

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      Monroe wouldn’t be hard to trade. Interestingly NYK wants a PG and Hardaway Jr and Shumpert might be on the table so maybe they’d like Jennings. Jennings fits perfect with NY he’s trigger happy and doesn’t play defense. They seem to like that in NY. We’d need a 3rd team to make it work under the cap though but I’m sure we could find someone who could help us out. Smith is here to stay. He signed the 1st offer handed to him which makes me wonder (and I could be WAY off base with this) if he thought that was the only one he was gunna get. If that’s the case no one would want him now so we’re stuck with him. In the offseason we could sign Lowry to play PG. I think we’d have enough money if we trade Monroe and Jennings.

      • Feb 18, 201411:59 pm
        by Jon

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        even when I’m at my irrational and reactionary worst, someone here speaks truth.  thanks for that!

      • Feb 19, 201410:55 am
        by JYD for Life

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        @Parsons – I looked at the same thing as soon as the reports came out the other night that “NY longs for a PG”  
         
        Felton is terrible, but you could do Hardaway, Felton and Metta for Jennings and Siva.  
         
        Not sure they would do it, but Smith and Jennings for Hardaway, Felton and Chandler works too…then you move Greg or flip Chandler next year as an expiring contract.  

    • Feb 19, 20141:11 am
      by George

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      I’m throwing it out there and I doubt they would bite but:
      Monroe, Smith, KCP
      for
      Kevin Love and JJ Barea
      We could maybe get Shabazz Muhammed thrown in too.  This trade would radically change both teams.  If we were to move Stuckey for Ariza too, would would actually have a sorta decent lineup, minus a competitant pg.

      • Feb 19, 201410:46 am
        by JYD for Life

        Reply

         
        Probably tough to pull off…there’s probably much better and cheaper options for Minny…
         
         

  • Feb 18, 201410:40 pm
    by domnick

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    trade to get better.. dont trade for not getting better

  • Feb 18, 201410:55 pm
    by Mrdumas

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    I just for the life of me can’t understand why the pistons don’t try a different line up and why in the hell is that scrub singleR starting???

    • Feb 19, 201412:19 am
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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      I’ve been saying that for a while now!..+1

  • Feb 18, 201411:03 pm
    by Hook Shot

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    Repeat after me… Move one of the bigs to the bench KCP back at starting 2 guard Singler starts at the 3 and promote Datome to back up Singler. Someone’s ego will be bruised but we have got to something. 

  • Feb 18, 201411:44 pm
    by mshansky

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    does anyone in the pistons’ front office actually watch any of these games? the issues seem obvious, even to an unprofessional eye. why are they not being addressed? tanking seems the only answer….but that alone is worth a possible draft pick, and those are a crapshoot, after all….

  • Feb 18, 201411:45 pm
    by Parsons

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    “Cavs will win their 5th game in a row since pornstar Ava Devine promised to gangbang the team if they make the playoffs”

    Is this a viable strategy? Can we trade Charlie Villianuava for a pornstar? Maybe that’s our missing piece.

    • Feb 18, 201411:58 pm
      by Jon

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      can we trade Charlie V for anything other than a wet diaper?
       

    • Feb 19, 20142:55 am
      by AYC

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      Should first google Ava Devine.  She’s not…she’s not good.

  • Feb 19, 201412:12 am
    by Mrdumas

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    I’d trade him for a dirty sock and some toilet water 

    • Feb 19, 201412:30 am
      by Parsons

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      Hey at least a pornstar plays multiple positions.

  • Feb 19, 20141:09 am
    by Zdwtr

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    Loyer no different than Cheek. He just sounded more clever in presser. I say hes no different because he use the same starters. Got no guts to bench either moose or smoove. Didnt put player in natural position. Heck if I was the coach I would put bj – pg. stuck – sg. singler – sf. jsmoove/moose – pf and dre-c. 

  • Feb 19, 20144:42 am
    by I HATE LOSING (Predicting A Strong Finish)

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    Maybe he can’t bench Moose or Josh…I said the same thing about Cheeks…. if the Pistons are gonna keep trying to force this is going to be the results

  • Feb 19, 20144:53 am
    by I HATE LOSING (Predicting A Strong Finish)

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    You can not win consistently with that line up period….i don’t even care if you start them together for the first 8 mins…its just I’d so unbalanced….no coach win with that lune up unless it was a full commitment to defense…Greg is always going to be the weak link on defense 

  • Feb 19, 20143:04 pm
    by DG

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    Greg Monroe, Rodney Stuckey and Jonas Jerebko for David Lee and Harrison Barnes.
    Line-up would be:
    B Jennings, KCP/Singler (I prefer KCP), Barnes, Smith, Drummond
    Bench:
    Lee, Bynum, KCP/Singler
    Detroit has to improve the defense.  KCP is a better defender than Singler. Smith defends PFs better than SF.  Barnes is by all accounts a decent defender and his 3point percentage looks really good as a Pistons fan right now.  Lee can be instant offense off of the bench and replace Stuckey’s value as a sixth man.
    Lee’s salary is problematic, but not any worse than extending Monroe a max contract after this year.  He at least has more range than Monroe on his shot even if he, too, is a defensive sieve.  That’s why you bring him off the bench.
    In a nutshell, the Pistons can upgrade the defense at three positions and add a three point shot.  I’m not sure that Barnes still has star potential, but if he does that’s a bonus for Detroit.  I do think he would benefit from a confidence boost and a trade to a team that would start him would provide that.  I don’t think they would lose a whole lot at the PF position by trading Monroe for Lee plus it takes Smith out of the SF role where he’s terrible.  It ought to improve Smith’s offensive efficiency.  The problem, of course, is getting Lee to be willing to come off the bench.  You’d think he’d a be a 6th man of the year contender.
    Golden State has been saying they want to include Lee in any trade for Barnes (ESPN Rumors section).  Well here’s their chance.  They have shooters so Stuckey brings them a different dimension as a penetrator and free throw guy and replaces Barnes sixth man value.  Monroe is younger and has more upside than Lee.  Jerebko just makes the salaries work and he’s expiring so that looks good to GS as well.
    I don’t think the Pistons are instant contenders after this trade but I think the pieces fit a little better without feeling like I’m sacrificing Monroe’s talent for nothing.  The trade also has potential upside for the Pistons (Barnes).

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