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Pistons reportedly want huge return to trade Greg Monroe

David Aldridge of NBA.com:

The problem, as the Pistons knew last fall, is that Monroe’s agent is David Falk. He has gotten the price he said he’d get for his clients for two decades — and he says the price for Monroe will be a max contract.

Yet the Pistons aren’t going to move Monroe unless it’s a blockbuster deal. Offering just expiring contracts won’t get it done. The hope in Detroit is that Monroe’s situation is resolved in similar fashion to how Oklahoma City eventually worked out a four-year, $49 million contract with Serge Ibaka before he hit free agency. (The Thunder had the obvious advantage of having Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook as lures to play with through the meat of Ibaka’s career.)

If Falk finds a team ready to give Monroe the max or something close to it, expect Detroit to match the offer sheet and worry about the money later.

I hope this is true. I don’t want the Pistons to trade Greg Monroe for anything less than prime return. If they keep him past the trade deadline, I want them to match any offer for him.

But understand, this could also be posturing.

The Pistons must prepare to give Monroe a max contract or trade him, but that doesn’t mean they can’t try to pay him less. If they scare off other suitors, maybe Monroe will accept less than a max deal.

Before it gets to that point, maybe the Pistons boost their trade offers by insisting they want to keep him. Some interested teams might be waiting for him to hit free agency, or maybe they think the Pistons will dump him to elevate Josh Smith further.

My hunch is Aldridge’s report is accurate.

For one, he’s an excellent reporter with strong sources across the country. He can dig past the smokescreens teams put up.

I also probably just want to believe it’s true.

54 Comments

  • Feb 12, 201412:17 pm
    by Smitty

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    I seen the Spurs would trade Leonard for the right offer.

  • Feb 12, 201412:22 pm
    by seenable

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    What does Dumars illuminated lame-duck status mean for potential Pistons expirings trades; Stuckey especially, but Charlie V and Jerebko as well?

    • Feb 12, 20141:46 pm
      by JYD for Life

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      Jerebko’s not an expiring contract.  You might be able to take a bad contract that someone wants to get rid of for Jerebko and Stuckey, but it’s probably not a player we want.  
       
       

  • Feb 12, 201412:22 pm
    by Byron

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    Here’s hoping Monroe’s offseason plays out a lot like Pekovic’s last summer. I’d happily do 5/$60 for Monroe.

  • Feb 12, 201412:27 pm
    by Moonchild

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    A Max contract to a guy who cant play D or average a block a game sounds idiotic….We need to trade him

    • Feb 12, 201412:32 pm
      by The Rake

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      Couldn’t agree more. There is no way in hell Moose is a max guy. None. 12 per to me is even pushing it. I would move him for a 2 or 3 that can ball if at all possible. Not saying that this is possible, but I’d do it given the agent and player. I like Moose. He’s a nice player and I’d gladly have him for the right price, but to suggest he’s a max or near max guy is ludicrous. 10 per for him, okay. Truth is Smith is a better player today regardless of what bashers of his will say. If Smith plays as a 4, he’s a better player and fit for this team IMO. None of this is an easy call, but anything to avoid paying him the max to me is the right call.

      • Feb 12, 201412:38 pm
        by CityofKlompton

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        How about 2-3 years from now? Is Smith still the better player then?

      • Feb 12, 20141:10 pm
        by Vic

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        Id rather put a 23 yr old efficient scorer and rebounder in position to succeed than change my whole team to fit a ten year vet whose game is predicated on soon to be gone athleticism but still hasnt figured how to use it consistently.
        Smith has a role (slowing down Lebron and P George) but its not the future. In 3 years Tony Mitchell can do exactly what he does for 10M less.

    • Feb 12, 201412:46 pm
      by Georgio

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      Where does this notion come from that Monroe “can’t play D”. Is he a lock down defender, NO, does he struggle covering 4s out at the 3pt line, YES, but if you think Smith is a lock down defender or can cover stretch 4s any better then you are mistaken. The proper defensive system, like Memphis, Ind and Chicago, can mask a defender’s shortcomings.  Z Randolph, D West and C Boozer are all in the same class as Monroe is as far as foot speed is concerned yet they are all part of good defensive teams. Detroit can be a good defensive team and Monroe can certainly be a part of that, it just takes the right system.  As far as his price is concerned, let the market decide. You can always trade a maxed out Monroe so no need to rush to trade him at the deadline. There will be only so many teams with max money available and I don’t know if they will be willing to sjpend all of that on Monroe. Let him find his max deal first then decide. 

      • Feb 12, 20141:01 pm
        by Vic

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        Yep, keeping Monroe is long term thinking. You can build around him and get good coach or keep Loyer if he turns out right.
        Trying to get rid of him for less than his value is short term panic bad decision making. Guy is a double double in the right role. He’s a scoring rebounder that you surround with 3 and D wings.

      • Feb 12, 20141:32 pm
        by matt

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        I can’t agree with Georgio more. Great comment! I have nothing to add except that most fans shouldn’t be GM’s because they would make crazy emotional trades!

      • Feb 12, 20141:36 pm
        by JYD for Life

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        right on! 

      • Feb 12, 20141:47 pm
        by apa8ren9

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        Thanks for that@ georgio.  Some people get it.  Its not going your way now but you dont throw the baby out with the bathwater. Understand that you are trying tobuilding something here, you just dont give away guys that can play.  Separate your hate for Dumars.  If give away good players then how will you ever get good? If Monroe is not worth the max and is a bum like everyone keeps saying then the Pistons will not sign him to a Max contract.  They will sign him to a 12-14 million dollar contract or whatever the fair value is for his stats and zero all star appearances.

    • Feb 12, 20141:05 pm
      by JYD for Life

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      I couldn’t disagree more.  
      He’s been abysmal defensively, but I think it’s more of a system or coaching issue.  Let’s see what type of defensive scheme Loyer or the next coach implements before officially declaring he can’t play D.  It was widely publicized that players on the Pistons were not sure if they should hedge the ball handler by jumping out on screens or to sag back, etc.  
      Because this doesn’t look like a lack of effort (like you see with Boozer in Chicago), I am still holding out hope he can learn how to be an adequate defender.  There’s also nothing that leads me to believe that once Drummond takes another step defensively, the positional question won’t factor in.  Drummond is quick enough to guard the more mobile power forwards as well as provide the help needed to keep Greg from being exposed.    
       
      Once he gets to that point, combining that with 18 pts and 10 rebs makes him a close to max player.  He’s not there yet, but in the conversation for a contract between 12-14 mil.  
       
      If they’re moving him for a legit SF (there are decent options, but all are at or just above league average), possibly a pick in this year’s draft and veteran help for the bench, then it’s not worth trading him this season. 

      • Feb 12, 20145:40 pm
        by Birdman84

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        People need to remember that there are different levels of maximum salary. Monroe shouldn’t make LeBron money but he does deserve eight figures.

    • Feb 12, 20145:39 pm
      by Birdman84

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      On the open market Monroe easily makes $12M. A young big that can score and rebound is a valuable and rare commodity. He’s not a great defender but why on earth should the Pistons get rid of their second-best player?

  • Feb 12, 201412:43 pm
    by tiko

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    I wonder if we could have traded him for Harden before he got traded to Houston.

    • Feb 12, 20141:23 pm
      by Huddy

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      Probably not because they would just be pushing up the same problem of not being willing to pay big money for another guy past Durant Westbrook and Ibaka.  If they were ok with accepting a contract like Monroe is up for then they would have kept Harden, unless they were going for a 1 season rental, which doesn’t make sense for a young team that probably hopes to win multiple times in the Durant era.

      • Feb 12, 20141:58 pm
        by oats

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        I don’t know. It would have pushed back the need for the contract for 2 years longer than the Harden deal. The rumor was that they did offer Harden a near maximum salary deal, just not quite a max offer. They had already signed Westbrook for less than the max and felt it was important for Harden to show a similar willingness to sacrifice for the good of the team. They might have been willing to gamble that they could convince Monroe of that necessity since he would have been on a winning team. Plus Monroe and whoever they could have afforded as a backup wing player likely would have improved their odds of winning over Kevin Martin and the nothing they got from Jeremy Lamb last year. Even if things didn’t work out they would then have Monroe as a trade chip. There is some logic to this kind of move for OKC.

        • Feb 12, 20142:06 pm
          by Huddy

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          I wasn’t aware of the near max deal off the top of my head, but that makes sense.  Maybe they saw his defensive woes as a bad fit since they weren’t and aren’t really lacking another scoring threat in the starting line up.  IDK though they might have been interested.  IMO I don’t think another offensive minded player in the starting line up is worth a high contract for OKC.  Harden was a perfect fit with a perfect role for them and I’m not sure their willingness to give him a near max deal would necessarily translate to another guy in a less key role for them. 

          • Feb 12, 20143:23 pm
            by oats

            I think Monroe’s role could have been close to as big. He’d be the only traditional post scorer on the roster and would have given a team that still hadn’t found a backup to Westbrook another passer. He’d probably have played a fair amount with the bench to make things easier on Jackson. I also think a Monroe and Ibaka pairing in the front court would look great together. The bigger problem is that he’s just not as good as Harden. Then again, the fact that they took so little for Harden suggests that they weren’t totally aware of how good Harden actually was.
             
            I think you are on to something with the defense thing though. When talking about Lamb they usually refer to him as a two way player. I think they seriously overrated both Lamb and that draft pick they got. I think a Monroe swap would have made some sense for them, but I suspect they would have preferred the deal they actually took.

  • Feb 12, 201412:45 pm
    by frankie d

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    Anyone who advocates trading monroe for less than a huge haul is an idiot who has no sense of nba history.  
    Sorry, but that is simply the truth.  I am tired of idiot fans making idiotic trade proposals for tbe likes of harrison barnes, a guy who is even falling out of golden state’s rotation.
    Teams do not trade productive young bigs like monroe unless they get a huge haul.  The few times it has happened teams have gotten that huge haul.
    No one… one , even stupid gms, trades young seven footers with mo roe’s numbers unless they get a huge haul in return.
     Ba history is crystal clear on that point.
    At least it appears tbat dumars has not completely lost his mind.

    • Feb 12, 20141:12 pm
      by jay

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      Hey Frankie your right… what do you say we Call up okc and offer 
      Monroe, stuckey,  Charlie V
      For 
      Westbrook & Perkins… 
      Seems like a fair deal right?  How long do you think okc would laugh before hanging up the phone.. 

      • Feb 12, 20141:34 pm
        by matt

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        Here’s a semi-related question: would either team do that deal with Drummond swapped in for Monroe? What if OKC sweetens the deal with some draft picks?
        I’m not sure I’d say “no way” if I was Detroit’s GM. I know that sounds insane but Westbrook is a top-20 player right now. Is Drummond? I dunno.

      • Feb 12, 20142:11 pm
        by Huddy

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        @Jay a hypothetical trade scenario that Frankie didn’t mention doesn’t really debunk the point he is making (even if he is approaching the point harshly).
         
        @Matt I think a line up with Westbrook, Jennings, Smith, Monroe is talented, but probably has some similar fit problems to what they have now (mostly the back court with too guards that need the ball in their hands)  Drummond is younger and not coming off of a recent knee injury so I think I keep Drummond, but in defense of anyone who likes the trade Westbrook is really a top 10 player right now so it is hard not to think about it.

  • Feb 12, 20141:03 pm
    by jay

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    Monroe is not a Max player. We as Detroit fans over value him.  He is good but he is not the next Tim Duncan or Zach Randolph.  I was reading a wizards article saying they were interested in Monroe but was not willing to give up a Bradley beal for him… if Monroe supposed to be this next great big that are so rare to find than how come teams are not willing to offer the pistons prime return like beal or Harrison Barnes or kwai Leonard,  Klay Thompson.. etc… everybody wanna blame Smith like he is the problem this team isn’t performing up to par.  A Smith Drummond frontline would be sufficient if not better than Drummond Monroe frontline.. either one of those combinations would be good for us. 
    I prefer to keep Smith because he is more versatile than Monroe.. trading Monroe will not be the huge mistake that most people claim. It’s not like we are trying to trade Drummond 

    • Feb 12, 20141:12 pm
      by JYD for Life

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      We need to look deeper than just “Monroe for Barnes” or Beal, Leonard, etc. 
       
      There are reasons both teams won’t do those deals.  Beal is in the second year of a four year, rookie-scale contract.  Monroe is about to enter restricted free agency.  While Washington wants Greg, they might be holding out to roll the dice by offering a max contract this summer and seeing if the Pistons match.  If they match, but Greg and Falk tell the Pistons he wants out, then maybe Washington gives up Beal in a sign-and-trade. 
       
      Barnes/Thompson are solid…but Monroe is not a fit for Golden State.  Look at the way they play and their current situation (2 more years of David Lee’s contract and Bogut just signed a big extension).  They don’t need Greg, regardless of how good he is.  The only way you swing Klay Thompson from them is maybe trading Monroe with some bench help for Golden State (Stuckey & Singler to make the #s work?) and agree to take David Lee’s contract back.  I’m still not sure they do that. 
       
      Leonard isn’t available, but I would think if someone called Pop and said will you take Monroe for Leonard, he would probably do that given Duncan’s age.   The Spurs don’t have anything else to sweeten the deal.  Leonard’s good, but not worth Monroe by himself.  
       
       
       

      • Feb 12, 20141:29 pm
        by jay

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        I think talent out weighs need every time…. I think golden state would take Chris Paul right now if they could even though they wouldn’t need him due to curry being there right… my point is once again I just think he is over valued a lil bit 

        • Feb 12, 20141:32 pm
          by JYD for Life

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          Jay – that’s true, he’s definitely replaceable, but I think you could argue that Beal, Leonard, Barnes and Thompson are all a little overvalued as well.  

          • Feb 12, 20141:44 pm
            by JYD for Life

            also, when you consider what’s out there, Monroe is probably going to be on the more talented side of any deal.  

      • Feb 12, 20141:31 pm
        by JYD for Life

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        If you look at a possible deal with Boston (and keep in mind, I don’t want to trade Monroe) - 
        Monroe, CV, Stuckey to Boston for Jeff Green, Kris Humphries and the Brooklyn/Atlanta pick they have in this year’s draft.  Even then, it doesn’t complete our team and we still have to hunt for a backup PG.  
         
        Washington could get creative (Beal and Ariza), but Ariza is expiring and they traded their pick for Gortat this year.  I still can’t see the Washington pushing for that trade when they’re already in Playoff position and probably don’t want to shake things up that dramatically.  
         
        There’s not much else out there.  Orlando might make some sense (Afflalo, Nelson, Davis and a pick) or Cleveland (Deng and something), but you don’t trade Monroe for a 30 year old about to head into free agency (and looking for a near-max contract himself).  

        • Feb 12, 20142:08 pm
          by jay

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          I agree with what your saying jyd about not trading Monroe for pennies on the dollar …I just hope we are not holding out for bonafide superstar.. I just don’t think he nets that…. but who are we kidding thou… do you honestly see Joe being allowed to make moves since he’s probably on his way out… I see us standing pat at the deadline.  

  • Feb 12, 20141:14 pm
    by something

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    This makes a lot of sense for the Pistons. Moose is one of the coveted upcoming free agent. It is just logical that we ask for something of the same worth.

  • Feb 12, 20141:17 pm
    by I HATE LOSING (Predicting A Strong Finish)

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    Smart move….you have to drive up the value….we can keep him and do a sign and trade this summer….Hell let David Falk do all the work.

  • Feb 12, 20142:05 pm
    by apa8ren9

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    You dont make panicked trades especially now.   Every contract in the league is going to be shorter (cause its mandated by the CBA) and also because you have to spend 90% of the cap.  These teams HAVE to pare down some of the ridiculous salaries for the overpaid guys and you will start to see more sensible contracts handed out.  The debate of his worthines of the max is not really what we should debate.  He is a potential max because 6’11″ guys that can play are at a premium, period.  Their price is higher, end of story.  Guys like Monroe, Love, Aldridge, Hibbert and Cousins get Max money cause they dont grow on trees.  You have to hope your guy is good enough so that you can be competitive with other good teams and your Management makes up the difference with other talented players on the roster.
     
    OKC, Indiana and Miami have the prime talent under contract.  Miami’s window is shrinking but they already have 3 finals appearances and 2 rings.  OKC and Indiana have VERY young nucleus’ why would we trade a 23 yr old big man (That can play) for a temp fix and that is the company we want to be with?  Be patient and wait for other teams to panic.  We arent in a bad situation cap wise.  We can afford to wait for the right opportunities.

    • Feb 12, 20142:27 pm
      by johnnyboy

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      Love, Aldridge, Hibbert, Cousins? Throw in Paul George and John Wall. All max guys.
       
      Sorry, Monroe is not in their class.

      • Feb 12, 20143:37 pm
        by oats

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        Do you remember the guy that Hibbert was when he got that max deal though? He was a good shot blocker, but he wasn’t nearly this dominant on defense and without being dominant he isn’t worth a max deal either. The gap between Monroe now and Hibbert at that time isn’t that big. Hibbert wasn’t worth a max deal when he got it, but there were pretty good odds that as a 25 year old player he soon would be. Monroe’s a little farther from being worth a max deal, but he’s also 2 years younger.

      • Feb 12, 20145:44 pm
        by Birdman84

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        Cousins is super overrated because he scores a lot of points, but he does so on a ton of shots historically. And he’s even worse on defense than Monroe. Monroe’s been healthier than Love and is younger than Aldridge.

  • Feb 12, 20142:51 pm
    by Ottist3

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    Great comments guys. Like a lot of you said, you don’t make a panic move in just 50 games. I think you let Loyer work the rest of the season and see if they jell. Maybe look to trade unused pieces like CV, Jerebko for a SF and let the market dictate Monroe’s value, if we can’t keep him, do a sign & trade. And yes, let Falk earn his paycheck and do the work instead of selling wolf tickets. 

    • Feb 12, 20142:55 pm
      by johnnyboy

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      Once Falk finds a buyer and Monroe signs the offer sheet, a sign and trade is not an option. The Pistons have 2 options. Match or let him walk.

      • Feb 12, 20143:02 pm
        by Huddy

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        Anyone interested enough to sign Monroe to a max deal is aware that the Pistons can match anything (thus the posturing about matching anything).  If a team really wants Greg at that level they will contact the organization regarding a sign and trade so that they don’t lose the chance to acquire Monroe due to a matching offer from the Pistons anyway.

        • Feb 12, 20143:20 pm
          by johnnyboy

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          So we match or take what that particular team has to offer. What if that PARTICULAR team doesn’t have much to offer? Match?

          • Feb 12, 20143:48 pm
            by oats

            If one team is willing to do it then someone else will likely be willing to make a deal too. So yes, they match him.
             
            Why does Monroe’s trade value go down that much when he is on that offer anyways? Anyone trading for him now is aware of what kind of deal they would be looking at giving him this summer and would be foolish to give up more for him now than they would after he gets that deal. In the summer there are more teams with the flexibility to bring in a guy like Monroe, and more suitors is good for his trade value. What’s more, whoever the GM is at that time will have more perceived stability than Dumars right now, and nothing kills trade value like the desperation of a GM on the hot seat and with a lineup that doesn’t really play well together. I honestly don’t think that extension would be likely to significantly harm his trade value from where it currently is, so I don’t see any pressing need to make the move before the summer.

          • Feb 12, 20145:57 pm
            by Huddy

            @oats that’s what I keep saying.  Why can’t he be moved after?  Unless there’s someone high dollar we are reasonably missing out on by moving him earlier it’s not risky to wait until they are in a better situation to negotiate.

          • Feb 12, 20146:00 pm
            by johnnyboy

            There’s no move to make this summer. Match or let him him walk will be the options. If you’re fine with matching a 15M offer, then OK. That’s your view. 

          • Feb 12, 20147:47 pm
            by Huddy

            “theres no move to make this summer”  thats your view and isn’t any more valid than saying there is definitely a move to make before the deadline.

        • Feb 12, 20144:17 pm
          by gmehl

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          Yep it becomes a game of bluff

  • Feb 12, 20143:18 pm
    by jg22

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    This whole situation is kind of double-sided, because the same people who say he’s going to command a max contract act surprised that the Pistons expect a blockbuster return should they trade him. 
     
    If he’s a max player, then why shouldn’t the Pistons get a huge return for him?
     
    I agree with the Pistons here. I don’t think he’s a max player, but if that’s the reason for trading him – because of the fear another team WILL make him a max offer – then as the Pistons you have to value him at that price in trades. They shouldn’t have to settle for any lowball package.
     
    The other interesting thing is all the talk about David Falk always getting max money for his guys, but on the flip side is Joe Dumars who always gets his guy for less than max money. He’s never given a max contract. So you have the posterboy agent for getting max deals vs the poster GM for not giving max deals. If Joe wans Monroe for 12 mil/yr, I wouldn’t doubt his ability to make that happen, because he’s got a long track record of getting his guys to resign in that 11-13 mil/yr range.
     
    If they can’t get a blockbuster return for him now, and can get him for 12 mil/yr, I think I’d just resign him for that and wait for something better. That would be an easily tradeable contract, and then you can continue exploring deals later. If he’s making 15 mil/yr though, that can be hard to deal.

    • Feb 12, 20144:15 pm
      by apa8ren9

      Reply

      @jg22 preach!

    • Feb 12, 20145:12 pm
      by johnnyboy

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      Your last sentence says it all. 15M/yr can be hard to deal. That’s really the bottom line here. Is Moose worth the 15M it will take to sign him?

    • Feb 12, 20145:46 pm
      by Birdman84

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      Dumars may never have given out a maximum-level contract, but he’s certainly overpaid in free agency and outbid himself on players like Josh Smith, Hamilton, Prince, and Villanueva.

  • Feb 12, 20143:46 pm
    by PDX Piston

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    Convince Minnesota to blow it up: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mjgpkrb

    • Feb 12, 20146:43 pm
      by john

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      i’ve had this pipeline dream to land Love to pair with drummond for a while, we’d basically have to give Monroe, KCP, Stuck and CV, + picks, and take back the contracts of budginger and barea for them to even consider it though

  • Feb 12, 20146:41 pm
    by john

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    As much as I like monroe, and would love to have him, he is definitely NOT worth a max contract, and i would rather try to deal him before a situation like that arose.  its up to the pistons to determine how much he wants right now and act appropriately

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