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John Loyer presumed favorite to become Detroit Pistons’ interim coach

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports:

No interim coach has been appointed with Detroit, but assistant John Loyer is expected to be frontrunner

John Loyer was originally hired as an assistant under Lawrence Frank. Then, Loyer, who previously worked for Maurice Cheeks in Portland and Philadelphia, was retained.

Perhaps, Loyer is a really good coach, but he doesn’t have the resume of a strong head-coaching hire. If Loyer weren’t already on staff when the Pistons hired Cheeks, would they have hired him? If Loyer weren’t already on staff now, would they consider making him head coach?

There’s something to be said for continuity within successful organizations, but the Pistons – especially on the coaching level – are not that. If Loyer has shown quality work behind the scenes, name him the interim coach. I’d definitely get behind that. But if they’re choosing him merely because the transition would be smoothest, the Pistons are erring in not bringing in an outside hire.

There are big names available – Lionel Hollins and George Karl – but they’ll likely be costly. I can understand waiting until the offseason and allowing a new general manager, if Joe Dumars is replaced, a strong voice in making the hire rather than locking up an established coach now.

Teams often get a bump under interim coaches, no matter whom, because everyone is energized by a change. Loyer very well could push the Pistons, who are just half a game out of the eighth seed, into the playoffs.

But if Tom Gores really wants to make a playoff push now – and it sure seems he does – he’ll pay for someone like Hollins. He could always eat the contract later if a new general manager wants to change course.

But money is always an object, and if Loyer meets the good-enough threshold, the Pistons can try to limp into the playoffs well below .500. It’s just another way the 2013-14 Eastern Conference can make the Pistons look competent.

84 Comments

  • Feb 9, 20142:14 pm
    by tim*

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    I always thought that pancakes with powdered sugar and a slice of pineapple should be called “Cheeks Maurice”

    • Feb 9, 20142:28 pm
      by Ryank

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      WTF?

      • Feb 9, 20145:36 pm
        by pablum

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        This gem from David Mayo: “[Cheeks] commonly didn’t know at his press briefing, less than two hours before a game, who the Pistons’ inactive players would be.”
        How does a pro hoop’s writer know this info and keep it under wraps?! How does it not affect his reportage of the coach?
        It’s like his version of tanking…

        • Feb 9, 20145:58 pm
          by frankie d

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          very astute observation.  
          that is the kind of omission that detroit sports fans unfortunately see all too often.  
          detroit sportswriters seem to see themselves as some sort of adjunct to the teams’ PR departments and they will almost always default to not reporting negative information on the people they cover.
          it is certainly not that way in other cities.
          i read the same report from mayo and my first reaction was also to question why that had never been reported while cheeks was still coach.  it didn’t surprise me, but it is still disappointing.

          • Feb 9, 20147:17 pm
            by pablum

            Any of our pro scribes here want to take a bat at this one? Did you know Mo Cheeks didn’t even know two hours before game time who was on his inactive list? Tim? You said it looked like he wasn’t even coaching one game?. And Patrick scribed what seemed a tame piece on how the Piston’s coaching carousel was hurting the team, Friday in the Freep… If I wasn’t a militant atheist Marxist idealist all wrapped up in a happy old body, I might think something was afoot…

          • Feb 9, 20149:35 pm
            by pablum

            Just read Det. News/Freep takes on the firing. Not a single mention of Mayo’s veritable smoking gun comment about Cheeks. In fact, Sharp argues Cheeks was the aggrieved party in all of this and he should be relieved he no longer has to deal with mess that is the Pistons. Yes, it’s all making sense to me. It’s very messy to have to keep track of 12 guys on your team night in and night out, especially if you’re the coach.

          • Feb 9, 201410:37 pm
            by JYD for Life

            @pablum – Dan or one of the guys posted an article right after cheeks was hired about this.  It’s something he’s been doing since his days in Portland.  
             
            Keep in mind that the Detroit Newspapers have always had partnerships with the pro teams in the area.  The Det News/Freep used to and might still have LED airtime in the Palace.  They have trade deals for tickets to be used for giveaways/contests in exchange for ad space.  It shouldn’t be a surprise that they often don’t attack folks they have a strong business relationship with.  
            Also, as a beat writer, it’s not necessarily the responsibility of guys like Goodwill and Ellis to dig up dirt and burn bridges.  They’re relatively young and probably looking out for their best interests and striving for longevity in the industry. 
             
            While I’m not surprised this came out about Cheeks after the fact, it might be hard for Mayo to actually prove this.  There could be challenges distinguishing between it being Cheek’s strategy to not let the other team know this information and complete buffoonery.   
             
            M-Live is a little more rogue and blogs like this tend to be more aggressive with reporting styles because there is a little less structure.  They don’t have to suffer the repercussions of making bold statements.      
             

        • Feb 9, 201410:37 pm
          by jg22

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          Actually Mayo is probably the best Pistons writer in town, and he commented about that all the time via twitter and mlive. Maybe it wasn’t the headline of his articles so you didn’t notice, but he did report about it multiple times through the season

          • Feb 10, 201411:36 am
            by pablum

            TX and TX JYD — good info!

  • Feb 9, 20142:17 pm
    by Smitty

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    John Loyer is the interim coach.

  • Feb 9, 20142:19 pm
    by Joe Blows

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    I read this in my Charlie brown teacher voice it sounds much better. If you get loyer as the intern and they make the playoffs off straight motivation, it would be great cause gores wouldn’t have to spend no money right now. but I think if you get Karl or Hollins right now you have to expect for them get big money and they cant get fired by the end of the season if they start out bad its for a long term deal. I just say stick with the intern (no matter who they are) and spend the money in the off season plus more coaches might be available then.

  • Feb 9, 20142:23 pm
    by Danielle

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    I am fond of Lionel Hollins.

  • Feb 9, 20142:25 pm
    by Prelove

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    Lionel Hollins will coach them

  • Feb 9, 20142:28 pm
    by Edgar

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    Why not just fire Dumars as well? If you’re going to so strongly repudiate the job he’s done, why keep him at all?

  • Feb 9, 20142:39 pm
    by Rich

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    What a joke.  There’s no plan here.
     
    The Pistons were floundering, then they wait until Cheeks settles on a good rotation and wins some games to fire him.
     
    They’re probably too far ahead in the standings to realistically keep their pick, which means the goal should be to make the playoffs.
     
    So they make a career assistant of no particular note the head coach.  That’ll help things?
     
    Now they’re paying Cheeks 8 figures to not coach, and they gave up a probably lottery pick to get out of 10 million in Gordon’s salary when they could have amnestied him.
     
    Honest to God, what the hell is the plan here?

    • Feb 9, 20146:26 pm
      by Max

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      This plan stuff is all nonsense.  Any team with a good captain at its head has to be able to make adjustments when things are not going right and life in the NBA is not as predictable as playing chess and just making long term plans.   Teams make plans and they scrap plans and make new plans as information on the ground changes.  The Lakers are a good franchise right?  That didn’t stop them from getting rid of Mike Brown when it wasn’t working.   Don’t make such a big deal out of a minor coaching hire getting fired midseason.  
      And anyone who thinks Cheeks was some kind of longterm hire by the Pistons is very mistaken.   He was hired because they knew they weren’t ready to contend and didn’t think it was worth it to pay the asking prices of the top coaches available.  They probably hired him too early too since they did so before they got Smith or Jennings.  
      I say good for Gores or Dumars or whatever conglomeration of factors led to Cheeks being fired because I hated the hire from the first and nothing happened to make me think differently of Cheeks.   He was the wrong coach for this team–especially with Smith and Jennings after he was hired.  He gives players too much freedom on offense and always did.  So Gores or Dumars made a mistake with their (interim)coach Cheeks who they thought could carry the water till they were ready to contend?   Good for Gores or Dumars for admitting the mistake.   I would have loved if they had fired Q and Frank midseason so I’m not going to complain right now.  I say good riddance.  
      I’m really hoping for a Karl or Hollins hire over all star break though.  

      • Feb 9, 20148:57 pm
        by starlight0997

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        “He was hired because they knew they weren’t ready to contend and didn’t think it was worth it to pay the asking prices of the top coaches available. They probably hired him too early too since they did so before they got Smith or Jennings.”
        Hm, I don’t know about this. If they knew they were not (or would not be) ready to contend, then why bother with buying the pieces (Smith and Jennings) in the first place? Dumars and Gores should have never bothered with anything in the first place.
        “He was the wrong coach for this team–especially with Smith and Jennings after he was hired.” 
        Again, assuming everything (your case) is true, as in Gores and Dumars were not confident with their roster, why even have a situation like this (mashing the wrong coach and pieces)? Dumars and Gores basically just wasted their time. And if you are just “playing around” as a GM, then what is up with the timing? Why not just let the Pistons bleed for another year regardless of the coach?
        Here is what I think: At this point, Dumars is just saving his own skin, and not being in contention for the eight spot right now is a knee jerk reaction. Dumars (and perhaps Gores) did not think that the team was incompetent in the beginning, they became convinced after 50 (or less) games that they are incompetent. It shows how much trust Dumars/Gores has in the team.

        • Feb 9, 201410:47 pm
          by JYD for Life

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          While I agree with Max about hiring Cheeks before signing Smith and trading for Jennings, this does reflect the lack of a strategy or plan…and it’s not the first time it’s happened.  Kudos, though, for them making the decision to scrap it now. 
           
          This hire seemed like it was made to “develop the kids” like he did in OKC as an assistant.  Then, he is faced with the challenge of managing two malcontent chuckers in Smith and Jennings while finding time to develop the young players.   Less than 6 weeks after he was hired, Cheeks job description changed somewhat.   
           
          Joe did the same thing to Curry.  MC was brought in to babysit a veteran squad that was somewhat self sufficient and guide them to the playoffs.  Then Joe flips Chauncey for Iverson and dumps that on Curry’s plate.  It changed his job from coaching/managing/strategizing to preventing disaster on a daily basis.  Even as messed up as that situation was, that team performed well before the Rip/Iverson/Stuckey drama and that situation might have worked had those guys been able to suck it up.    
           
          I’m about as big of a Joe supporter as there is, but at some point, you can’t stick up for the guy any longer.  You also can’t fault him for attempting something and it failing.  Max raised a great point about the Mike Brown hire in LA.  

          • Feb 10, 20148:07 am
            by oats

            You kind of can fault Dumars for failing if the plan didn’t make sense though. By all accounts the Cheeks hire seemed to be about developing the young guys which makes some sense if you actually buy into the idea that he is somehow good at that. While he couldn’t have known what he would end up getting in free agency, Joe should have known that his goal was to add some veteran talent because his priority was making the playoffs. Cheeks has been a bad game day coach at every stop. His schemes are simplistic and his rotations often don’t make sense. That seems like a really bad idea for a team trying to make a playoff run while also trying to mesh the talents of the Monroe and Drummond front court. It seemed really obvious to me that the way to get the most out those two was with a little bit of creativity on both offense and defense. Hiring a known bad coach to try to make a playoff push doesn’t make any sense. That’s all before taking into account that Smith appears to have been the primary target from the start of free agency, so while Dumars didn’t know he’d end up with Smith he still should have planned for that possibility.

          • Feb 10, 20148:58 am
            by JYD for Life

            Thought this was funny…and really says a lot about the lack of a plan 5 years ago (associated press on July 8, 2009): 
            “The Pistons spoke with ex-Spurs guard Avery Johnson, a former Dallas Mavericks coach, about replacing the fired Michael Curry as coach, but talks with Johnson — an ESPN analyst — ended Tuesday.
            “I looked at it, I was interested in it, but I was only interested in it if we could agree on a vision for the team going forward,” Johnson told ESPN.
            Detroit also was considering bringing back Collins, a former Pistons coach, but he withdrew his name from consideration last week. Boston Celtics assistant Tom Thibodeau was also a candidate.”
             

          • Feb 10, 20149:03 am
            by JYD for Life

            It’s hard to tell what Avery meant by that, but one can perceive that as Dumars wanting to win at all costs and Johnson thinking it might take some time with that mis-mashed bunch.  You could also make a case that Johnson felt he could win with that roster and Joe wanted to take things slow.  
             
            Either way, this next hire needs to be the exact opposite of a players coach.   This group, as is, needs a militant mind like Pop.  That has to be backed up all the way to the top and a guy like Stuckey or Bynum can’t openly clash without knowing the GM will swiftly send them packing.  
             
             

          • Feb 10, 201410:03 pm
            by Max

            I think Iggy was the first target and Smith the backup plan.  

  • Feb 9, 20142:40 pm
    by Hardy

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    Bad timing to fire a coach if you are close to getting the results of a playoff reach. The problem I see here is that they should have hired Hollins to begin with that way you would have had who you wanted in the first place. Should Loyer get a shot to run the team? I don’t know ………. As one of the other commentors said maybe a roll of the dice may bring some good results but how can you monitor your team from Cali and expect good results.

  • Feb 9, 20142:43 pm
    by Travis

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    I’m not reading too much into this. Loyer can be the interim coach for 1-3 games while they sign the new coach (Hollins) to a contract. I don’t understand why the fuss naming an interim head coach. This seems to be the status quo for teams that fire their head coach mid-season. 

    • Feb 9, 20143:04 pm
      by frankie d

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      True.  Chuck dsly did something like that – as a short term interim coach – beford he came to detroit.  
      It could give them time to hire their true choice.

    • Feb 9, 20143:33 pm
      by oats

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      That makes a lot of sense with the All Star break coming up.

  • Feb 9, 20143:04 pm
    by sushi

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    Cheeks might’ve been done a better job if he was an AC under Hollins.
    He seems a good guy, but not a good coach at all.

    • Feb 9, 20143:06 pm
      by sushi

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      wrong grammar. sorry.

  • Feb 9, 20143:13 pm
    by Ryank

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    One thing is for certain, this team is capable of some great things.  They have played at an elite level throughout the season at different times.  Just when you see it and think good results are in their future, they put together a string of terrible games and lackadaisical play.  
     
    A strong coach like Larry Brown, Doug Collins, Phil Jackson, or George Karl could put this team over the top and perhaps not only get them into the playoffs, but also into the 2nd round.  
     
    I think it all depends on how bad Gores wants this team to make the playoffs this season…it appears he wants it badly. 

    • Feb 9, 20149:55 pm
      by Brady Fredericksen

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      FWIW, the big reason George Karl is unemployed is because he couldn’t get his team’s out of the first round.

      • Feb 9, 201410:42 pm
        by jg22

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        yeah I want no part of Karl. His teams have made the playoffs the last 10 straight seasons and 9 of them have resulted in 1st round exits. The one that didn’t was when Chauncey led them to them WCF, not because of his coaching. 
         
        His teams are also always in the bottom 5 in defense, and he’s 63 with heath issues. Its not jut a good fit for this team.
         
        If you just want someone to get you to the playoffs, sure he can definitely get you there, but so can Hollins and he’s got more potential to take you further because the way he coach’s is conducive to playoff success – and he’s younger.
         
        Actually he’s not that much younger – at 60 himself – but he’s vibrant/energetic 60 who looks more like he’s 50 if you didn’t know better. Kind of reminds me of Pete Carrol, in that regard.

      • Feb 9, 201411:01 pm
        by JYD for Life

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        The biggest reason Karl, J.Van Gundy, Collins and Jackson aren’t employed is because all of those guys want some say in personnel decisions.  That’s not a secret.  

  • Feb 9, 20144:00 pm
    by jay

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    I agree with Rich, what the hell is going on here. We are becoming the Cleveland Browns of the NBA. Also, do writers like Sam Amick or Marc Stein really have sources. I say that because after first hearing the news of mo cheeks firing, I started reading all of these reports of how sources say lionel hollins would be the top target which in turn had my hopes up. Now I’m reading that loyer will coach out the rest of the season. which sucks. That clearly lets me know that Joe will not be allowed to hire the next coach, which is fine with me. But the pistons would be wise to hire lionel hollins or George karl now while there is no other competition for them. And if Joe isn’t going to hire the next coach then he should have been let go with Mo why wait until after the season. Makes no sense to me

  • Feb 9, 20144:11 pm
    by Paul Williams

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    I say play the rest of the season out with Loyer as interim and wait til the off season to fire JD. At that point, push hard for George Karl to take over GM duties, and have his first phone call go to Hollins for a HC interview. Otherwise, make Chauncey GM and Sheed Head coach. Now that I think about it, I’m not sure which scenario I like more…

  • Feb 9, 20145:36 pm
    by I HATE LOSING (Predicting A Strong Finish)

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    I didn’t know a lot about John Loyer….the positives are has a good reputation as a defensive minded coach, offensively I think he will push the tempo….also we might allow guys like Rasheed and Chauncy…to have more input

  • Feb 9, 20145:52 pm
    by gmehl

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    I guess know we’ll really see if it was just poor coaching or not. Really am hoping we can secure Hollins before the end of the season though. Get him while there are no other options I say.

  • Feb 9, 20146:28 pm
    by @GPMasters

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    Woodson expects to be fired before the All Star break. Would NY have interest in Hollins?

    • Feb 9, 201410:45 pm
      by jg22

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      I’m sure they would, which could be why the Pistons acted fast on Cheeks, and also why I don’t buy the report that they are going to wait until the offseason to hire someone. It makes no sense to do that and allow other teams to enter the bidding process for Hollins. Gores is a smart business man who doesn’t seem like the type who likes getting in bidding wars with other billionaires. I predict Hollins will be hired sometime between now and all-star weekend

  • Feb 9, 20146:36 pm
    by I HATE LOSING (Predicting A Strong Finish)

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    The risky thing is what if Loyer can actual coach? And the Pistons start to win? ….. I just don’t think we are a bad team…and I don’t know if we have to play Greg at PF and Smith at SF or was that Cheeks? Or was it Dumars not trying to devalue Monroe? 
    A Lot question will be answered soon enough 
     

  • Feb 9, 20146:36 pm
    by Finger

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    Please….PLEASE have a plan already in the works to hire George Karl immediately….
    Otherwise, this whole thing is just a big wet sloppy mess.  
    Karl would instantly change the culture of this sorry team, and find a way to put the pieces together into something that actually resembles a professional offense.
    Did you see how well these guys play when they play with fast pace and early offense?  Do you want to know of a coach who is known for that type of play?  Well, he coached some of the highest rated offensive teams of the last decade in Denver, and turns out he’s available as we speak.

    Please hire George Karl….. would be a game changer, and immediately put us on the map.

    • Feb 9, 201410:49 pm
      by jg22

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      Karl is an offensive coach who consistently fields bottom 5 defenses and loses in the 1st round. Why would we want that when we could have Hollins who consistently fields top 5 defenses and just took a team to the WCF last season?
       
      Hollins makes too much sense. He fits in every facet. His experience with big men, defense, Pistons style basketball, playoff success, disciplinarian/authoritarian. He’s everything we need.

      • Feb 10, 20148:49 am
        by oats

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        You are just wrong about Karl’s defenses. He’s not great in just points scored, but his defenses are decent when looked at by points given up per possession which is a much better way of looking at them. He’s been in the top 5 exactly as many times as the bottom 5. It’s only twice in case you were wondering. For his 5 year stay in Seattle his teams were always in the top 10 and that is when he had his two top 5 defenses. His defenses in Milwaukee were pretty bad. Two in the bottom 5, two more in the bottom 10, and once being below the average at 17. Denver was decent on defense. 3 times in the top 10, 3 more in the top 15, two more at 16 and once at 20. I’d say that the biggest determinant on whether or not he could get his team to play good defense was the talent at hand, but overall he did alright on that side of the ball.
         
        As for Hollins, he has only had a top 5 defense once when he was the head coach for the entire season. His teams finished 9th, 7th, 2nd, and 19th. That’s not really a lot better than Karl’s performance in Seattle, but Karl wasn’t overcoming Randolph and Gay in the starting lineup. Hollins is the better defensive coach, but a much worse offensive coach. Memphis never once cracked the top 10, and his 13th ranked offense was the first time they were even in the top half of the league on that side of the ball.
         
        As for the fit of Hollins in Detroit, I really don’t know. I think Jennings is way better in an up tempo offense and Hollins runs a really slow paced team. Plus Jennings is one of the worst defensive PGs in the game and will likely drive Hollins crazy. If the plan is to move Jennings then Hollins is a fit, but the team might be content with the fact that they have a starting caliber PG who is only 24. Plus we’re also talking about a coach that loved Rudy Gay’s chucking tendencies, so I don’t know if he’s the right guy to reign in Jennings and Smith. If Hollins really is the guy going forward then I’d like the team to unload both Jennings and Smith. Hollins is a good coach, but those two are definitely not a natural fit with him.

  • Feb 9, 20146:42 pm
    by I HATE LOSING (Predicting A Strong Finish)

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    Karl will be pricey and he’d want to be GM

  • Feb 9, 20147:15 pm
    by pistons moribund

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    Only one more person to get rid of before the playoff push.  With Mo gone, Pistons will surely make the playoffs.  Might make it out of the first round if they can get rid of Bullwinkle.  No chance of that now that JD has one foot in the grave and the other out the door.  Oh well, cant have it all.  Bye Bye Joe, maybe he will resign and follow the signs to the door.  At least leave with some dignity.  The future seems a bit brighter all of a sudden.  Looking for redemption, Joe? trade Bullwinkle. Please, please,please…….

  • Feb 9, 20147:29 pm
    by Desolation Row

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    Hire Chauncey B-B-B-Billups!

  • Feb 9, 20147:50 pm
    by CityofKlompton

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    If the team doesn’t have a permanent coach in place within the next few weeks, Dumars is as good as fired.

  • Feb 9, 20147:58 pm
    by I HATE LOSING (Predicting A Strong Finish)

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    If no one is hired during the all-star break….we will keep Loyer for the year, I’m actually interested in seeing what will be done differently ….
    Does Will get back in the rotation, does Datome get real minutes,do we play a josh mainly at PF?

  • Feb 9, 20148:16 pm
    by I HATE LOSING (Predicting A Strong Finish)

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    If we want to hope for the best John Loyer path sounds a lot like Frank Vogels…..

  • Feb 9, 20148:23 pm
    by Seriouslynow

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    Monroe needs to go for Green/Olynyk. 

  • Feb 9, 20148:40 pm
    by Vic

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    My dreams are coming true…
    Smennings has 2 games in a row leading the team in assists, and shooting over 50%
    Then, I wake up in mo is fired
    What next, Josh Smith traded for luol deng and a first round draft pick? Or Ariza and Otto Porter?
    Or Stuckey and Charlie V traded for Eric Gordon and a first rounder?

  • Feb 9, 20148:43 pm
    by James

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    I hope they don’t even talk to George Karl, perennial loser, stabs his players in the back. And before you mention his trips to the finals 2 time, just remember Lawrence Frank did the same thing with New Jersey. If he was such a hot commodity he would have a job already.I would completely root AGAINST any team, including my beloved Pistons if they hire Karl. 

  • Feb 9, 20148:44 pm
    by James

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    Jeff Van Gundy included!

  • Feb 9, 20148:59 pm
    by I HATE LOSING (Predicting A Strong Finish)

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    Otto Porter? Lol…I’m not going there

    • Feb 9, 20149:26 pm
      by Vic

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      Check up on him in two years

    • Feb 10, 20148:55 am
      by oats

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      If it’s Smith going out for Ariza and Otto Porter that is fine. The real gain is Ariza’s expiring deal, and Porter would just be a piece to try to develop. History does support the idea of taking flyers on guys who are high draft picks but have bad rookie years. I know you really hate Porter, but dumping Smith is so valuable that Vic’s trade idea would likely pan out even if you are right and Porter is a total bust.

      • Feb 10, 201411:09 am
        by jerrific

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        At this point I would be happy with Smith for just an expiring contract, or a bad contract and an asset. 

      • Feb 10, 201411:10 am
        by jerrific

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        Point being, if we got an expiring contract and an asset, I would be ecstatic.

  • Feb 9, 20149:07 pm
    by domnick

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    George Karl for HC! No HOLLINS or BORING SLOW BALL. SLOW PACE! BOOOOOO

    • Feb 9, 201410:52 pm
      by jg22

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      George Karl is fools gold. That style of play does not win anything in the playoffs. If you just want to go to the Palace and be entertained for a night in February, then Karl is your guy. If you want to get back to winning playoff series and playing Carlisle/LB style basketball that wins championships, then Hollins is your guy. I could care less how slow pace or boring it is if it wins.
       
      I for one am tired of watching this layup line defense. If you want more of that then hire Karl, because he certainly is not a defensive coach.

  • Feb 9, 20149:11 pm
    by domnick

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    i wanna see Gary Payton or Shawn Kemp 2.0 – Jennings and Smith! SONIC BOOM!

  • Feb 9, 20149:19 pm
    by Smitty

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    This team has been playing better lately. I just seen that Orlando beat the Pacers today and Okc the other night. So that loss doesn’t look so bad. Hopefully Gores still allows Dumars to make moves before the deadline.

  • Feb 9, 20149:37 pm
    by gmehl

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    I like that Adrian Wojnarowski article on Dumars… he says:
    “Still, it’s hard to believe Dumars, desperate as he is, doesn’t have at least one more roll of the dice left in the wrist, this one to the player side”.
     
    I can very much envision Joe shaking the dice in his hands as he the proceeds to give them a kiss for good luck and then rolling them suckers… will it be snake eyes?? I sure hope not.

    • Feb 9, 20149:45 pm
      by Ryan

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      So many deals that they could make with Josh Smith. If Joe Dumars can turn him into something valuable he might even save his job.
       

      • Feb 9, 201410:27 pm
        by gmehl

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        I assume your in the group of people that think that Drummond and Monroe can co-exist?? I’m afraid the numbers don’t show that they can. I am no Josh Smith lover but it looks more like the Drummond/Smith combo is better than the Drummond/Monroe one. If we can get a 2014 1st rounder for Monroe then i’d take it or even that Eric Gordon/Ryan Anderson for Monroe/Stuckey swap. In case people haven’t noticed Gordon has played almost every game this season which he hasn’t done for a while. Ryan Anderson would allow Drummond and Smith got to work down low in ways we could only dream of. If Joe has one last throw of the dice then I think he should go for it. 

        • Feb 9, 201410:57 pm
          by JYD for Life

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          I’m not sure there is enough of the numbers that show they can’t co-exist…but either way, are you sure about Gordon? 
           
          Picturing a Gordon/Jennings backcourt putting up 45-50 points per game, but allowing 60, makes me nauseous.  No doubt we need the shooting of both Anderson and Gordon, but not sure at that price.  
           
           

          • Feb 10, 201411:16 am
            by jerrific

            Not to mention that theyd take about fifty shots between the two of them every game just to get 40 points. 

        • Feb 9, 201411:19 pm
          by zdh

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          i dont think the pelicans would trade gordon right now, and i am also not sure they would include anderson. especially with his severe back injury im not sure anyone should trade for anderson at this point until more is known.

        • Feb 10, 20149:06 am
          by oats

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          @ gmehl. The numbers don’t say that Monroe and Drummond can coexist, but they sure as hell suggest that they can. The two of them without Smith have been good in limited minutes. I can’t say that is proof of their ability to play together because there is just so little data, but it is a positive sign. They haven’t been as good as Smith and Drummond, or Smith and Monroe for that matter, but that could just be due to how little time Monroe and Drummond have gotten to work together. It’s even harder to conclude that Smith and Drummond are the better long term pairing due to the age aspect.

  • Feb 9, 201410:17 pm
    by microjfox

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    We are about to trade for Tyreke Evans. He was held out of the game for an “internal matter” tonight. 

    • Feb 9, 201410:30 pm
      by gmehl

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      If it’s for Stuckey its a waste of time. I’d rather let Stuckey expire and get nothing for him then waste money on Evans.

    • Feb 9, 201410:49 pm
      by starlight0997

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      “We are about to trade for Tyreke Evans. He was held out of the game for an “internal matter” tonight.”
      If true… no no no. Jennings, Evans, and Smith on the same team?

    • Feb 9, 201410:54 pm
      by jg22

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      OMG I’d be so happy!
       
      I’ve wanted Evans for a long time, and the Pistons wanted him this summer too, so there could be some truth to that.

  • Feb 9, 201410:56 pm
    by jg22

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    Evans sat out two game ago for sore ribs. Technically that qualifies as an “internal” issue, right? 
     
    lol

    • Feb 9, 201411:18 pm
      by gmehl

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      The only thing ‘internal’ is people with there finger up there a$$ making up silly trades they think are about to happen. I mean seriously microjfox what are you like 5 years old. If Dumars was dumb enough to trade for Evans then he might as well put the final nail in his coffin himself. I mean the team needs outside shooting so what do you do… oh yeah lets get another guy that CANNOT shoot from the perimeter. As I stated above we already have that in Stuckey so seriously what’s the point.

      • Feb 10, 20144:05 am
        by jg22

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        Because he’s better than Stuckey and younger. I’d trade Stuckey for Evans in a minute.
         
        I’m not looking at how he would fit with this current team, because I don’t see this current team as a finished product. I see it as Drummond and everyone else is expendable. And a Drummond/Evans duo could be dominant, and then you can surround them with shooters. 

        • Feb 10, 20149:35 am
          by oats

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          Evans was better, but he isn’t making shots this year. He’s actually been a lot worse than Stuckey this year. Even if that wasn’t true, I don’t think the guy that Evans was is worth $12 million a year. I’d rather just go into free agency with $10 million to spend than to have Evans at $12 million.

  • Feb 9, 201411:34 pm
    by JYD for Life

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    So realistically, where do things go from here?  I’m about as confused as I have ever been about this team.  I said a few days ago that there was no way Gores would be paying for three head coaches in one season (because he paid Frank for this year too), so I was clearly wrong.   
    - While this seemed like a Joe hire, these statements about Cheeks being a Gores guy make sense if he was willing to pull the plug so quickly.
     
     
    The biggest issue I’ve seen from Dumars is that he has always been a guy who sides with the players.  Curry, Kuester (although he finished out his contract – the third year was not guaranteed), Frank and now Cheeks all had issues with the players.  
    Funny how the guy in common with the first three – Stuckey – seemed to like Cheeks.  
     
    A lot will be determined about the future of this organization in the next 10 days…If a hire is made, possible trades, etc. will say a lot about whether or not Joe will be back next year.  

  • Feb 10, 201412:58 am
    by Pistons moribund

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    joe might have to buy tickets to the allstar game

  • Feb 10, 20146:07 am
    by @GPMasters

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    So even though the organisation has announced Loyer will coach “the rest of the season” … do we think there’s a chance at all that a hire is made over the break?

    • Feb 10, 20146:37 am
      by gmehl

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      I think it’s safe to say that if there’s no hire over the all-star break it’s clear Joe is GONE. I mean reports are that we’re keen on Hollins and I’ve heard that he’s waiting for a call and is very interested. I guess there’s a couple of reasons we won’t see another coach takeover: 1) Gores will be paying Frank & Cheeks already for this season and might not want to be paying off a 3rd head coach this season. 2) Gores has made up his mind and isn’t gonna renew Joe’s contract and will let the new GM have a say in the hire of the next coach.
       
       
      If Gores/Dumars really want Hollins as coach then I think they should get him now and lock him up while there’s no competition. It’s only a matter of time befor Woodson is cactus in NY so they might want to get a move on IMHO. I guess a good question is if you were Hollins and you had homie between the Pistons and Knicks job which would you take and I ask that yo be from a neutral point of view. NY I feel only have a 50/50 chance of keeping Carmello and don’t really have any other avenues to get better. I mean at least we’ll have cap space so if I was Hollins I’d take the Pistons gig.

      • Feb 10, 20146:40 am
        by gmehl

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        *correction a choice between the pistons and Knicks job. Don’t know how homie got in there :-)

  • Feb 10, 20147:00 am
    by gmehl

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    I know everyone is calling for Joe’s head to be next on the block and and I just so happened to find an interesting link documenting every one of his transactions as GM of the pistons. He really went Jekyll & Hyde over his tenure since he’s been in charge. From making cost saving savvy moves for hungry vets and castaway players to the poop that he’s been serving over the last 6-7 years. His moves atm remind me of someone who has slowly gone into financial ruin who has then proceeded to try and get out of a hole with quick fixes but has then actually double downed on his originally mistakes and in turn making an even bigger hole to dig himself out of. I think Joe kind needs to bite the bullet and declare bankruptcy (aka resign) and leave with some dignity cause it’s clear he’s gone stale as the pistons GM.
    http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/joe_dumars.htm

  • Feb 10, 20148:19 am
    by microjfox

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    Lol, way to go jg. I was kidding, but I would be surprised. He would make this team a real disaster.  I still say we grab Deng in the off season and get rid of Smith for someone young or a role player. Smith for Otto Porter would be cool by me. 

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