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Woohoo! The Pistons get a convincing win, albeit against a really bad team. I guess it was bound to happen eventually.

Orlando Magic 87 FinalRecap | Box Score 103 Detroit Pistons
Greg Monroe, PF Shot Chart 25 MIN | 4-11 FG | 0-0 FT | 11 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 8 PTS | +2Monroe rebounded well, particularly offensively, but he could never make anything happen on those offensive boards. And the shots he did make were not really attempts he should be going for, including a long jumper (which at least he took without hesitation) and a shot down low that he put up after about 500 head fakes.

Josh Smith, SF Shot Chart 30 MIN | 8-12 FG | 0-1 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 2 BLK | 3 TO | 16 PTS | +17Smith was taking terrible, terrible, typical Josh Smith shots. But he was making them, so credit where it’s due. And he had one of his best perimeter defensive performances of the season. Also, his fast break block was sick.Funniest moment of the night: when Smith tried to be the Piston to take a technical free throw. Jennings saw him going there and sprinted to get to the line first.

Andre Drummond, C Shot Chart 33 MIN | 5-7 FG | 3-4 FT | 17 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 2 BLK | 1 TO | 13 PTS | +19Drummond was a beast. You see his 17 boards and 2 blocks. What you don’t see are how many attempts he altered. Nor the fact that every time he didn’t crash the offensive glass, he was hustling back on defense hard. He was almost back to the paint by the time Monroe corralled an offensive board for Detroit.

Brandon Jennings, PG Shot Chart 34 MIN | 7-19 FG | 4-7 FT | 4 REB | 8 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 20 PTS | +22Jennings was a tale of two halves. He was brutal in the first, but hit some really big buckets in the second. I average that out to a mediocre game.The most damning part of his performance wasn’t the inefficient scoring. It was the noteworthy drop off in defense when he played as opposed to Bynum. I don’t expect strong D from Jennings, but you don’t want to be the guy who looks way worse on that end than Will.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG Shot Chart 19 MIN | 2-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | +4Why did KCP play so few minutes? He wasn’t incredible, but he was better than 19 minutes. Not much to analyze here.

Tony Mitchell, PF Shot Chart 6 MIN | 0-0 FG | 4-4 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | -9Mitchell made the most of his minimal floor time.

Josh Harrellson, PF Shot Chart 18 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 8 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 3 TO | 3 PTS | -1Harrellson contributed to the Pistons domination of the glass (dropping Orlando to 0-23 when outrebounded), but apart from that, he was awful. He spent too much time near the basket (when he’s on the floor presumably to space it), he missed shots, he turned the ball over 3 times in spite of the fact that he hardly ever touched it, and he got repeatedly burned on D, forcing him to foul.

Jonas Jerebko, PF Shot Chart 6 MIN | 0-3 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 1 PTS | -8Jerebko was lackluster. I can’t blame him as the game was over when he entered, but that’s not how you get more minutes.

Kyle Singler, SF Shot Chart 23 MIN | 4-7 FG | 3-4 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 12 PTS | +20It is so much fun to watch Singler crash the offensive glass. He picks his spots, but makes the most of them. Other than that, it was pretty much a typical game for Kyle, but he hit his shots at a slightly better rate than normal.

Luigi Datome, SF 4 MIN | 1-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -7Ok, I’m drawing the line here. There just wasn’t enough to analyze.
Will Bynum, PG Shot Chart 15 MIN | 3-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 3 TO | 7 PTS | +5Bynum’s stat line doesn’t look very good, but he came in and changed the tempo of the game. He got Detroit’s lead started and then it continued to balloon after he sat (is that a plus or a minus for him?). Mostly, I was really impressed by his defense, forcing Nelson into a 24 second violation and then blocking a layup after it looked like Nelson had everyone beat.

Rodney Stuckey, SG Shot Chart 29 MIN | 4-9 FG | 4-6 FT | 3 REB | 4 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 13 PTS | +16Typical numbers, typical game from Stuckey. It was hilarious to hear the commentator talking about the right corner being Stuckey’s sweet spot after he hit a shot from there. “He’s now 7-12 from there on the season”. Really, he shoots from there once every four games and that’s his spot?

Maurice Cheeks
I’m not quite sure what was up with Cheeks. He was in the stands, not on the bench. I don’t know if he showed up late or just decided to try deferring responsibility to his assistants, but it worked. Clearly, less Cheeks, is Mo. Let’s hope he continues to take himself out of the picture moving forward.

74 Comments

  • Jan 28, 201411:09 pm
    by Javell

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    Anyone notice andre push jason maxile lol

    • Jan 28, 201411:58 pm
      by Brandon Knight

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      I did haha, I was surprised they didn’t call him for a technical. Was it a joke? 

    • Jan 28, 201411:59 pm
      by jg22

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      LOL. I forgot about that. It was a blatant hard push right in front of the officials and I couldn’t believe he didn’t get called for that 

    • Jan 29, 20144:24 am
      by @GPMasters

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      Yeah, was really weird, can only think they were joking around

  • Jan 28, 201411:22 pm
    by Smitty

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    Here is your very own Bi-Polar Pistons. HAHA. Then teams under us right now suck so bad that maybe we should go for it all baby!

  • Jan 28, 201411:32 pm
    by RP

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    Not that it matters really, but that stat line for Datome is wrong, he made a shot. Also, to be fair to Harrellson, 2 of those TO’s were in garbage time playing with a very disjointed unit.

    • Jan 28, 201411:35 pm
      by Tim Thielke

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      Thanks, corrected.

      • Jan 29, 20149:46 am
        by TDP

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        It appears Luigi made one of those rare zero-point shots.

  • Jan 28, 201411:34 pm
    by I HATE LOSING (Predicting A Strong Finish)

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    It’s just Orlando I get it…
    But Josh Smith get judged for going 8-12 shooting…he didn’t force any shot, and the jumpers he took were wide open and that’s the shot he has been making a lot lately….
    In the second half Jennings scoring 16points…and I’d says 10 of those came at the right time to separate the pistons from the magic…
    8 ast 2tos… 3 stls..4rebs…give the man props

    • Jan 29, 201412:05 am
      by jg22

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      I agree. I didn’t think those were terrible shots either. 
       
      As for Jennings, imo his 1st half was better than the 2nd. He was really doing a nice job in the 1st of orchestrating the halfcourt offense and being patient. I didn’t care if he isn’t shooting well because he wasn’t forcing any really bad shots. In the 2nd though, it seemed like all of his shots were ill-timed, they just happened to go in. But any other night when they don’t go in, thats what costs you games and lets other teams back in.
       
      He stopped running the offense and was just playing And1 ball in the 4th. When you have a huge lead like that all you have to do to win is run the clock down every possession and get a good shot and play defense. No hero ball is needed at that point. He needs to learn how to manage the clock. 

    • Jan 29, 201412:35 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      A wide open 18 footer from Josh Smith is a terrible shot. It’s probably less valuable than Drummond getting hacked.

      Nevertheless, he played a good game, in spite of coming short of his typical stat sheet stuffing. So he got a good grade.

    • Jan 29, 20147:07 am
      by Huddy

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      That shot is always wide open for josh on purpose because he is so bad from there.  If youve somehow missed this narrative this year or over his whole career…he is given that shot because he is bad at it and e takes it anyway.  He’s been making it lately means the last two games?  Maybe he has turned his shooting around from the last 9 years…or maybe he got lucky and in reality that’s not a good shot for him.

  • Jan 28, 201411:41 pm
    by Desolation Row

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    Fire Cheeks. Hire Chauncey.

  • Jan 28, 201411:59 pm
    by Brandon Knight

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    What was Baron Davis doing in the house? Jeep Commercial? 

  • Jan 29, 201412:02 am
    by Brandon Knight

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    If Jennings keeps driving and getting to the line…it would help the Pistons a lot. Hopefully he improves his FT %. 

  • Jan 29, 201412:08 am
    by jg22

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    I thought Harrellson was a big part of the Pistons win tonight. No way he gets a D. 
     
    He deserves a B at worst.
     
    His fouls were all smart fouls. A couple of his turnovers were unforced/rushed. But all in all he’s like Singler to me. Good things happen overall when he’s in the game.

  • Jan 29, 201412:12 am
    by tiko

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    Can you elaborate more on Cheeks being in the stands and not on the bench?! Didn’t see the game but that sounds like the highlight of the night!

    • Jan 29, 20149:38 am
      by MIKEYDE248

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      I missed the game last night too and was wondering the same thing.  Hopefully the next step is to have him stay in his car during the game.

    • Jan 29, 20149:52 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      I don’t know what to tell you. Whenever the camera showed him, he was in a seat and not on the team’s bench. Unfortunately, I can’t find any information on why so it is possible that I misread the situation. But I don’t think he coached this game.

      • Jan 29, 201410:36 am
        by pablum

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        Mo’s actually done that before, as Special-Needs K and BlahBlah have commented. What’s significant is that you put in print (in a forum albeit) that you don’t think Mo actually coached the game. That’s a doozey–and you should be on it. We saw in Brooklyn perhaps this same dynamic going down, with Kidd allegedly going ballistic on Frank and essentially firing him (don’t know if Frank is officially fired, but he’s been stripped of all powers). So the gauntlet’s been thrown! Is Mo the emperor wearing clothes or not!

      • Jan 29, 201411:58 am
        by Lee

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        I noticed something strange at the end of the game.  It appeared that Brandon Jennings was executing a dance move with Chauncey.  Chauncey was laughing, so were Brandon and then Moose, at someone flinging towells.  Then as they walked out Siva put  his hand on Chauncey’s shoulder as if congratulating him.  I was wondering if Chauncey had provided some advice that the team really appreciated that contributed to the win.  Could there be a connection to Mo being in a seat and Chauncy being a team leader from the bench last night?  Anyone  else notice this? 

        • Jan 29, 20141:55 pm
          by pablum

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          Yours is an amusing riposte to what would otherwise be considered the meandering ramblings of an old-man hoopster, which I happen to be. But the conspiratorial nature of your sarcasm, an organic by-product of your digital (de)generation, witness what you and yours dare call music these days, ignores the not insubstantial questions of journalism at work here, namely, Tim Thielke went on record and said he didn’t think Mo “coached” the team — an explosive claim coming from a professional. Now my amateur opinion believes this because Mo is clearly a walking poster for b-ball concussive syndrome, an arcane malady of the brain caused by the countless repetition of b-balls hitting one in the head (not uncommon amongst pgs). But when a pro scribe dares to write that a coach is mentally infirm to the point where he no longer coaches, well he better be ready to “back that thing up” (isn’t that you generation’s terminology? to back said “thing up”). It’s the same with “Tanking,” which Tim did back-up, sort of, by making the important delineation between the “front office,” which he said does tank, and coaches and players, which he said do not: point is there’s some Woodward/Bernstein Deep Throat deliciousness here that must be exposed and I’m not lettin Tim off the hook ’cause he goddamn well knows if he uttered what he said about Cheeks in a presser, well, he knows…
          But to indulge your theory, Lee: It’s obvious Chauncey and Jennings are practicing for their debuts on Dancing With the Stars…with Siva looking for pointers on what his next tatoo should be for his own debut…

  • Jan 29, 201412:16 am
    by Parsons

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    Everyone should have gotten a A+. It’s not often we win games let alone convincingly. Good win. I’m still hoping we tank but have to give them credit for this one.

    • Jan 29, 201412:41 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      Sorry, not everyone played an excellent game.

      • Jan 29, 201412:47 am
        by Smitty

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        How is 20 points on 19 shots a bad game?

        • Jan 29, 201412:58 am
          by Tim Thielke

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          Who said bad? I said not excellent. There’s a lot of middle ground.

          Also, that’s a hilarious question because 20 points on 19 shots is bad. The redeeming qualities of Jennings’ game were his 8 assists and 3 steals to just 2 TOs, particularly the offensive rebound that be caught behind his back and fed to Smith in one motion for a layup.

          • Jan 29, 20141:02 am
            by Smitty

            I know I was being a smart ass. They beat the Magic. If they would of won by 30 then maybe everyone should get an A.

    • Jan 29, 201412:46 am
      by Smitty

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      I think tanking will be harder than winning. Some teams will get worse. Joe D will probably try to make a trade to help the team win. This team shouldn’t be this bad to begin with. Cleveland is terrible. The Bulls may get worse. 75% chance we make a trade to add a player that fits better with this team. 20% chance we make no trade. 5% chance we sell.(tank)

      • Jan 29, 20143:53 am
        by oats

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        I expect the Bulls to cling to a playoff spot, so I’d expect it to be Detroit, New York, and Charlotte fighting for the 8th spot. I think I favor the Knicks for now, but it’s really close.
         
        Going the other way, I doubt Detroit can crack the bottom 6 of Milwaukee, Orlando, Philly, Sacramento, LA Lakers, and Utah. That leaves Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, Charlotte (if things go wrong soon), and New Orleans fighting for those 2 spots in the bottom 8. New Orleans doesn’t own their pick so they should be easy to stay below. Boston has Rondo getting healthy and might be easy to pass as well. I like Detroit’s odds of getting down to the 8th spot, which comes with an 82.4% chance of keeping the pick. It would be tough, but if they can get down to the 7th spot that goes to a 98.1% chance of keeping the pick.
         
        I think I like Detroit’s odds of keeping the pick by trying to tank about the same as their odds of making the playoffs if they try for that. Then again, I am much lower on their odds of making a move that helps them then you seem to be. I’d put it somewhere around 25% that they make a trade that legitimately helps them with a playoff push.

        • Jan 29, 201410:48 am
          by pablum

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          Bucks are the only team one can say for sure is WORSE than a Josh Smith led Detroit team. Kings, Lakers are better. & I’ll take the Sixers as well. At this point, we don’t even compete with Bobcats, Knicks, & Cavs with Deng. Utah jinx still rules. Maybe, maybe we’re 2% better than Celtics. Point being: we don’t need to tank. As long as this team is built around Josh Smith, we are a tank unto ourselves.

          • Jan 29, 20146:17 pm
            by oats

            Do you remember all those late season runs the Pistons have made the last few years when everyone else was trying to lose or just didn’t care about the game but the Pistons were still fighting for wins that hurt their draft stock? Well, it likely will start a little bit earlier this year with this many aggressively bad teams to jockey for position. To keep the pick this team will almost certainly need to tank, trade off a useful player, or have an injury to someone with an important role. That’s problematic since it seems obvious they won’t try to tank because they never do, and if I had to guess I’d also pick them to miss the playoffs.

        • Jan 29, 201410:07 pm
          by pablum

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          Dan, Pat, Tim et al opened Stern’s Pandora’s box with the whole Shakespeare question on “To tank, or not to tank.” And Tim made it worse with his speculation that Cheeks may not even be coaching the team (which I don’t think is even wrong!) But I’m here to praise ‘em all, not bury them. It’s just that tanking is so ubiquitous everyone takes it as a given, but it’s not: it’s one of these UN-written entities that everyone knows exists but no one in the actual game will confirm, front office or not. So it seems, this might make an interesting story to pursue; a bit uh Hunter S.-Lardner-Bangs expose on the ontology of the “Tank.” Come on guys, Grantland’s calling…
          But what you said about our pure effort over the years–It’s the one thing I hated about losing Brandon Knight. The kid never quit. Every fuckin fiber of his being devoted to hoops. You can’t say that about anyone on our team now, except maybe Bynum.

          • Jan 29, 201411:08 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            I definitely think Cheeks is coaching. It just looked like he missed this one game. And I have no idea what that was about.

  • Jan 29, 20143:37 am
    by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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    Good win tonight Pistons…Our big 3 played great…

  • Jan 29, 20144:31 am
    by @GPMasters

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    Tony Mitchell’s free throw mechanic is very interesting to say the least… money though

  • Jan 29, 20144:34 am
    by @GPMasters

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    Also, credit for Cheeks coaxing Andre into a huge game tonight, it was possibly one of the most engaged / focussed performances of his career, fully in response to what happened last game.

  • Jan 29, 20148:18 am
    by Mike

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    Josh got a b+ but took horrible shots huh? They aren’t horrible if they are in the flow of the offense. He shouldn’t he taking techs, but you just come of as a hater, when you discredit him for a good game… Smith Monroe and Drummond were about as good together as one can hope for. Do you even hope this team gets better? The pistons really are your favorite team right??? 

    • Jan 29, 20149:03 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      He did take horrible shots. He just happened to make them. And I graded him largely based on results.

      Would you want Ben Wallace or Dwight Howard taking threes “in the flow of the offense”? I didn’t think so. Similarly, Smith taking 18 footers is just bad. The only time that’s acceptable is when the shot clock is winding down and they have to put something up.

      The vast majority of Smith’s jumpers this season have been “in the flow of the offense”. In that the offense flows by passing to the open man, and he stays open because the other team desperately wants him to shoot that.

      If you watched this game, there was one time in the first half when Smith caught a pass all the way back on the Pistons’ logo and started to move into a shot. Thankfully, he reconsidered. But the fact that that would even be an option in his mind is depressing.

    • Jan 29, 20149:07 am
      by Jerrific

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      If it’s a jumper and Josh Smith is taking it, then it’s a horrible shot. Doesn’t matter if he’s wide open, he’s that bad of a shooter most nights. Just because he was making them tonight doesn’t mean he has any business taking them. There’s a reason he’s left that wide open. 

    • Jan 29, 20149:18 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      “Do you even hope this team gets better? The pistons really are your favorite team right???”

      I do and they are, but how is that relevant? Ideally, if I’m doing good analysis, my biases should be invisible. I’d like to think that I could just as well analyze a team I dislike. So I think I’ll take your criticism as a compliment to my writing ability.

  • Jan 29, 201410:12 am
    by Mike

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    I shouldn’t be argumentative, but all we want is  for smith to play well. He does and the pundits are still up his ass. I’ve never seen a more vilified player, and your bias is obvious.

    • Jan 29, 201410:19 am
      by D_S_V

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      Hard not to bias/villify Josh based on the season he’s having and his detriment to the development of our two young and better bigs. The reason I’d guess he’s not in the “A” scale in this arbitrary grading is his 3:2 A:TO and only 2 boards. Oh well. I won’t lose sleep. 

    • Jan 29, 201410:21 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      So 16, 2, and 2 is your idea of a near max player’s A-game?

    • Jan 29, 201412:43 pm
      by JamesJones_Det

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      It’s one game dude, one game.  If JS can do this over 10 game then you can talk all you want but not after one meaningless game against a terrible team.

  • Jan 29, 201410:33 am
    by Mike

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    Nope. Did I say that? Good game though, and if in fact you always give the grades here, your bias is obvious. I don’t care if it’s the majority either. Still biased. He was efficient. Actually thought better of a couple I’ll advised moves, and I will take it with the season he, and the team are having. 

    • Jan 29, 201411:09 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      Yes, you did say that. You said that assessing Smith a B+ for his game qualified as vilifying him. Care to explain how that differs from claiming that his 16, 2, and 2 effort is an A game?

      So what’s the baseline expectation for a Josh Smith game in your books? What qualifies as decent/mediocre if it is a travesty to rate this as low as B+? 7 points and 5 boards on 3-11 shooting?

    • Jan 29, 201412:37 pm
      by AYC

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      Both sides have a point- Josh Smith did not deserve an A grade.  He had a nice game, a B+ game.  Now if Josh Smith had put up a game like Monroe’s, he might not get a C+.  Fair point.  However in the context of everything, in a blow-out game, a C+ grade for Monroe is fine.  The difference here is that Smith might have gotten a C or a C-.  Not really something to get hyperbolic over.  I do understand the need to scrutinize a new FA signing when the team has not been playing well.  I also understand the need to see that each player gets a fair shake.  Really, the big point here is that Smith got the grade he deserved and Monroe got the one he deserved.

    • Jan 29, 201412:43 pm
      by AYC

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      Sorry, there is no edit so I can’t put in my “And one more thing”…
      I’ve been regularly visiting this sight since the draft.  Some of the grades I have seen, I have questioned, but that’s bound to happen.  They’ve all had good reasons for the grade.  The only grade I’ve taken strong exception to was when they put Burke’s face over KCP’s for the Utah game.  Other than that, its been someone’s opinion which I can respect.  And you know what, if over the course of half a season, there is only 1 strongly objectionable grade, then that’s fine.  The people here have earned that.  I’ll still take them to task if something like the Burke incident happens again, but that’s no reason to get apoplectic over the grades.  As long as the reasoning has a basis, then really we should use it as a springboard for discussion, not some judgement handed down from the courts.

    • Jan 29, 201412:51 pm
      by JamesJones_Det

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      Right because you are not showing bias for JS right?  
       
      JS is a dumb player and always has been.  I’ll take 9 years of history over one game.  Most of his shots were from distance instead of inside and he just happened to make them tonight.  I can almost guarantee he takes a lot of dumb 3 pointers tonight as the ATL fans are screaming for him to shoot and LTAO every time he is dumb enough to take one and misses (that is if they play tonight).
       
      Maybe if he changes over the next 10 to 20 games maybe I will give him some slake but one game proves nothing.  

  • Jan 29, 201410:34 am
    by @GPMasters

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    The E$PN article on Josh’s shooting is likely the most utterly depressing article I have read in the history of me reading sports articles.

  • Jan 29, 201411:07 am
    by Mike

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    @GPMasters agreeeeeeeed. And to an earlier point, I  don’t think SMITH is hurting Monroe’s and Drummond’s development. I believe it’s cheeks’ fault… How on earth, if you have Drummond, monore and smith on your team are Charlie v, harrelson and jerebko even SEEING minutes at the 4-5??? If it’s me I’m running the big 3 at 4-5 exclusively. 30+ minutes a piece. Jj gets minutes at sf maybe and that’s about it…

    • Jan 29, 201412:52 pm
      by zdh

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      i agree with this. harrelson/jj/cv should barely be playing. its been said before, but cheeks needs to stagger the minutes better of the bigs. pretty much have to start all 3, but once the first subs come in stagger them around some.
      furthermore, in the games where they are blowing leads or falling even further behind, monroe should be getting more touches in the fourth. im not saying force it to him, but let him steady the ship and create the offense rather than jumpers from jennings/smith.

    • Jan 29, 20141:03 pm
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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      @Mike: No, you’re right..That’s how it’s supposed to be…

  • Jan 29, 201411:42 am
    by Mike

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    I do suppose you gave him credit where it’s due. The tone of everything you write about smith is negative. It’s clear and easy to see. Yes you gave him a b+, I don’t believe he deserved more. Maybe even a b, he did have 3 turnovers… But I read these fairly frequently and to me, it is plain to see that you dislike him. Even when his game is good, you have a backhanded compliment. It seems everyone does in regard to him, and I think he’s playing hard. Lost a bunch of weight to try and do what they wanted him to do. Him and Monroe are being played out of osition so obviously that it hurts my brain, and Smith definitely take a majority of the heat. To me, his game is well rounded, even if outside shooting is his worst ability. Where are the people that put the players in position I win? Should smith even see minutes at sf?? Of course not. All that being said, I almost ALWAYS agree with what you say about Jennings and cheeks, because I do really see them as an issue to success. Three of the best bigs in the game should be playing only the 4-5 in rotation… they are setting these players up to fail and again, Smith is taking most of the heat… It’s bothersome to me.

    • Jan 29, 201412:24 pm
      by Jerrific

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      Maybe because he’s playing terribly this season? Maybe because Smith takes terrible shots regardless of his position, as is common knowledge to anyone who paid attention to what he did in Atlanta? Smith has a lot of haters. The hate is 100% based on his play, not some subjective bias that makes people hate on him for no reason. When a guy is shooting 41% from the field and 24% from 3 (while still hoisting almost four attempts a game), his poor shot selection is worth noting in analysis, even if he had a good scoring night. 

    • Jan 29, 201412:44 pm
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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      I don’t hate on Smith…The Smith/Monroe/Drummond trio could work…We’re just missing a piece…We’re missing a scoring 2 or a good 3…Smith at the 3 is only for defensive, fast break, and rebounding reasons, he’s not suppose to play there full-time…He’s being ask to play it more often, but I don’t think Dumars vision is to have him play the 3 full-time position…
       
       
       

      • Jan 29, 20141:35 pm
        by Patti #1

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        AGREED!  Everyone wants to blame someone when in fact all the guys taking the heat are also the guys carrying the load.  They make mistakes, but some are due to circumstances.
        Pistons don’t need to get rid of players, they desperately need to add a starting SF that can score and defend on the wing.  Playing Stuckey at SF does not fix anything, it just weakens the SG position.  
        It’s too easy for teams to collapse on our frontcourt in the paint and stop them from scoring.  The guys taking shots outside are to spread the defense so that our bigs and cutters get opportunities.
        IMHO the problem is not so much with the starters as it is with a lack of depth on the bench.
         

        • Jan 29, 20146:33 pm
          by oats

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          The starting lineup is terrible. 7 lineups have played at least 50 minutes a game, and 3 of them give up more points than they score. All 3 of them feature Jennings, Smith, Monroe, and Drummond. That’s not good.

          • Jan 30, 20149:19 am
            by Patti #1

            I stand corrected.  By all means then let’s bench Jennings, Smith, Monroe and Drummond and get those other line ups on the floor to play 50 minutes a game.  ;-)

          • Jan 30, 201411:57 pm
            by oats

            My point is that the starters don’t work as a unit and they play about 60% of the game together. That is the single biggest problem, not the lack of bench depth.

      • Jan 29, 20145:56 pm
        by Jon

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        Explain what the defensive reason is for him to be at the 3. Defense is where he routinely struggles at the 3 as he doesn’t have the foot speed to keep up with most of the 3s in the league

        • Jan 29, 20146:26 pm
          by oats

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          This is more or less what I wanted to say. The defense is significantly worse with Smith at the 3 than with Kyle Singler. Kyle Singler is definitely not a good defensive player, but he’s still a big upgrade over Smith at that position.

        • Jan 29, 20149:57 pm
          by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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          Smith has made plenty of defensive plays while he’s at the 3…Smith usually struggles defending opposing 3′s when he’s playing in the paint and forgets our defensive rotation…There has been a couple of games where Smith was solid on the defensive end…
           
          Singler is a foul waiting to happen, there’s no-way Singler is an upgrade over Smith…

          • Jan 29, 201410:49 pm
            by oats

            Smith’s had a few games I guess, but he’s hurt the team’s defense while playing the 3 far more often. Say what you want about Singler, but the team plays better defense with him on the court than with Smith at the 3. He’s clearly doing a better job at that position.

  • Jan 29, 20141:28 pm
    by Hook Shot

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    My feeling was that since Smith is playing out of position at SF his shooting would be better if he stayed as a PF. Oats corrected me and it is borne out that his shot selection is just as horrendous at PF as it is at SF. If Smith could be dealt (along with Jennings) I would do it. Reality is that we are stuck with them and I don’t see Dumars as a creative GM who could get rid of them, especially since this would be admitting failure. 

  • Jan 29, 20141:43 pm
    by Mike

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    The criticism on smiths shooting is warranted. The literal blame he receives for this team’s poor performance is not. His overall shooting % is middle of the pack in this horrible shooting team. I would make a big effort to get Monroe and stuckey 15 shots a game instead of smith and jennjngs, but smith is hardly the reason this team is so bad. If anyone but kcp could defend anyone, there wouldn’t be the need for a scapegoat. They avg 100 pts/game pretty much. That should equal more than 18 wins… 

    • Jan 29, 20146:55 pm
      by oats

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      I’d say the blame on Smith is warranted. He’s 9th on the team in FG% which is not really middle of the pack, but a very close second in shots per game. He’s second to worst in 3 point % behind only Datome and his 31 attempts, but he’s second in 3 point shot attempts per game behind only Jennings. True shooting percentage is an attempt to adjust FG% on how many points a guy actually gets while shooting by adding in the fact that 3 pointers give an extra point over 2 pointers and that guys use possessions to score at the free throw line. Josh Smith has the 12th best true shooting percentage on the team, so he very much isn’t in the middle of the pack as a shooter. In fact, ESPN just did a piece that was linked on this site that listed the worst players in the league in terms of shooting ability and taking a lot of shots. Josh Smith is the worst at this in the entire NBA.
       
      If all that isn’t enough to convince you that Josh Smith deserves a lot of blame, keep in mind how bad he is defensively too. The team plays better defense when Kyle Singler plays the 3. He’s harming the team on both sides of the court whenever he plays SF, which is about 60% of his minutes. I get that he’s not the only problem for this team. Jennings is also a big time brick layer and a terrible defender. Monroe is an awful defender. Drummond is not a smart defender. Cheeks is an awful coach who definitely shouldn’t keep playing Smith at SF so much. There is an awful lot of blame to go around. Yet Smith is both the highest paid player and the worst one playing major minutes.

  • Jan 29, 20142:02 pm
    by MoATL

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    I agree on most grades. I’d have to give Singled an A to A- . His hustle was a difference maker. He helped put a stop to Afflalo once he cams in late in the 3rd (which is why KCP had to sit). 
     
    Josh Smith also deserves an A in my book. He played within the flow of the offense. Did not force anything. He was 8-12. It’s not like they were all from thirty feet. He drove to the basket and hit medium range jumpers and mixed in some posts moves all though that was not falling. Also what are the other options on this team, Monroe down low, that’s about it. Drummond is learning the post but no go to move. KCP is a corner player. Jennings speaks for itself. You hit the nail on the head with his perimeter d as well

    • Jan 29, 20147:07 pm
      by oats

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      According to NBA.com, Smith makes 34.9% of all medium range shots. That’s outside the paint and inside the 3 point line. That’s less than .7 points per shot, which is really terrible. Fun fact, he shoots 34.5% on shots inside the paint but outside the restricted zone under the basket which is also terrible. His range is basically 3 feet.

      • Jan 29, 20148:51 pm
        by Jon

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        Wow, didn’t realize he was that bad in the paint. I always thought his hook shot looked alright. Guess I just caught the right games

        • Jan 29, 201411:00 pm
          by oats

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          His hook shot actually is actually pretty good. 43.8% on hook shots. That’s only 73 shots on the season though, and not all of his hook shots are in the paint. I don’t know if that means he should use it more or if its only good because he doesn’t use it more, but the hook shot is his only decent shot away from the hoop.

  • Jan 29, 20148:44 pm
    by Just another pondering fan

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    ***********************************TRADE IDEA****************************************
    Josh smith to boston for kris humphries and their draft pick
    I keep seeing Monroe in trade rumors and I doubt that’s the greatest idea, and josh is just not a smart player like Monroe which in long run will make Monroe better than josh. I know this trade suggestion is out of the blue, and probably won’t happen because by making this trade joe d will be admitting that he made a bad decision getting josh in the summer but to me this is a great deal. Humphries contract is near the same as josh’s but kris only has one more year, so we can get rid of that contract in the summer and have money to spend on Monroe, or any possible free agent pick ups. I’d say that’s a lot smarter than just trading Monroe for garbage and also we may still either get our pick due to the lack of winning games(which the move May or may not make our team better) or do good enough and get in the playoffs and still have a lotto pick. I think Boston would bite on it too because a duo of rondo and josh can possibly dangerous.this deal also could make us better because we’d have more room in the paint for andre and monroe, but it still doesn’t address our three point shooting but we can solve thagpt in the off season, and it gives jennings/stuckey/ any guard in the backcourt more room to drive the lane. If joe d makes this deal he could save his job, most likely won’t happen though, all he has to do is show he was wrong. He needs to look at the positive and the future, It gives us room to sign Monroe and for him to be effective, it gives us room to sign Andre in the future which is extremely needed, and it gives us a pick to move forward with And with how bad boston is we could get a top three pick.

    • Jan 29, 20149:44 pm
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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      No, no, no…

    • Jan 29, 201411:12 pm
      by oats

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      I don’t think we get Boston’s pick for dumping Smith on them. The Brooklyn pick might be somewhat possible, but I still kind of doubt it. I actually don’t know if they’d do it at all. They’ve spent a lot of time clearing up cap space, with the rumor being that they are targeting Gordon Hayward to play for his college coach, and this trade would kill that cap space. It could happen if Rondo asked them to do something like this though. He’s got a potential contract extension coming up, and if Rondo pressures them to make a move for another piece right now then they might have to do something kind of like this.

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