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Vince Ellis: Pistons aren’t discussing trading Greg Monroe

Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press:

I can say with certainty there is no talk of trading Greg Monroe currently. Could that change? Sure, but right now the Pistons are going to be patient.

You can read my thoughts at ProBasketballTalk.

49 Comments

  • Jan 10, 201410:08 am
    by Rich

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    Well, glad to see what the party line is on this.  Given that Ellis never has anything to offer other than exactly what Dumars’ people tell him to say.
     
    Trading Monroe shouldn’t be a given, but it’s crazy not to see what his value is when 1) the big three doesn’t work and 2) he’s about to get paid.

    • Jan 10, 20142:30 pm
      by Leon

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      I’ll ask Everybody the same thing. WHY !!! Trade Monroe? Who do you have to replace Drummond at center in the event he gets injured or foul trouble? Remember nobody is wanting to trade Monroe for a center they want to trade him for a SF. In all actuality he’s are best big man as far as being consistent.

  • Jan 10, 201410:11 am
    by Joey R.

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    Maybe they should consider making some changes, with bench players like Will Bynum for Jimmer or to trade Charlie V somewhere

    • Jan 10, 201410:50 am
      by jamesjones_det

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      I don’t know of any team talking about salary dump at this moment so I’m not sure who would take CV.

    • Jan 10, 20142:30 pm
      by Leon

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      AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan 10, 201410:17 am
    by Jon from Ferndale

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    My co worker told me this yesterday.  Monroe, Stuckey, Charlie V for Kevin Love.  I immediately thought no way.  But as he spoke.  I started to believe it could happen.  I would make that move.

    • Jan 10, 201410:19 am
      by Vic

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      That’s something that could make sense. 

    • Jan 10, 201410:24 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Ha, I bet you would make that move.

      Minnesota’s hanging up on you unless you’re including Drummond in the package though too. Love is a top 10 player already and still young and improving.

      • Jan 10, 201410:56 am
        by Chris

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        Probasketballtalk has said it is thought that Love will opt out of his contract. Might as well get something for him instead of nothing. I think Monroe + whatever make salaries work might do it. The question is would that really make the team better. I’m not sure that Love could guard a 4 that much better that Monroe can. Thoughts on if it would actually work?

        • Jan 10, 201411:24 am
          by Huddy

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          Rumors that Kevin Love will opt out are not enough to jump ship on him.  Top 10 guys are so incredibly rare that teams need to go all in on keeping them even if it is a risk.  Monroe is a questionable fit next to Pekovic and all three of the proposed players are on expiring contracts.   If they can’t win with Love they aren’t going to win with a lesser player and all they would be doing is committing to a long contract with a worse player.  The only way Monroe works out for Minny is if they upgrade the SF position as well, but if they have a actual plan to do that they would have a great way to convince Love to stay anyway.
           
          The Pistons would definitely be better with Love.  They would have the two best rebounders in Basketball and floor spacing.  The only real remaining weakness would be Smith’s perimeter defense.  All those times where Monroe catches at the elbow and he pump fakes despite the D giving him plenty of space anyway…yeah those would be shots going in and extend that to the 3pt line.  It opens it up for Smith and Drummond tremendously and he is a pretty good passer.

          • Jan 10, 201411:56 am
            by Chris

            You really only pointed out why Detroit would be better with Love offensively. One of the largest problems with Detroit’s jumbo lineup is their defense. Monroe has a difficult time guarding 4s, and Smith seems to have issues guarding 3s. I’m not sure that would clear up with Love, but they clearly would be a more dangerous offensive team.
             
            While Monroe doesn’t bring anything that Love doesn’t have, he is two years younger, that does have to count for something. If you’re going to lose both Love and Pekovic, it might make sense to try and something, anything, for one or either of them. Possibly trying a 3 way trade so Minnesota could get someone to help space the floor as well. Detroit could definitely part with a few different people, who also have expiring, or low cost deals, to make salaries work. I mean we could try tossing Charlie into a trade for a burrito or something…

          • Jan 10, 201412:39 pm
            by Huddy

            The trade doesn’t need to answer all questions with the current team.  I admittedly don’t know how Love stacks up defensively, but you don’t have to to know its a good trade for the Pistons.  They get the more talented player.  He isn’t worse than Monroe at anything and he adds spacing, more pts, more rebounds.  They might need to make another move to be truly elite, that doesn’t make it a bad move (for detroit). 
             
            Pekovic recently signed a contract didn’t he?  Didn’t think they were going to lose him anytime soon.  I don’t think Monroe’s 2 years mean much.  He isn’t becoming a stretch 4.  He will likely improve, but in areas he is currently at least competent in.  After Monroe/Smith/Drummond/Jennings you are looking at role players that Detroit could lose, but that don’t move the needle for Minnesota.   I just don’t see Minnesota becoming better moving Love for Anyone Detroit is willing to move and I don’t think Saunders is ready to accept anything less than what he already has. 
             
            We would have to buy the other team the burrito for the CV deal to work.

          • Jan 10, 20141:08 pm
            by Chris

            First off, it’s not like he needs it, but I will spot Gores the burrito money if we can get rid of CV before the deadline.

            You’re right about Pekovic’s contract, apparently I missed that he signed in August 5 years 60 million.

      • Jan 10, 20142:08 pm
        by Jon from Ferndale

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        I don’t think our current coaching staff is ready for an all star.  Okay, we get Love or Carmelo or who ever.  Then what?  I don’t believe we can win with Cheeks.  Look at New York.  They have Carmelo.  Look at Garnet in Minnesota for all those years.  We should probably call Larry Brown.

        • Jan 10, 20143:43 pm
          by Chris

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          Anthony is problematic for a lot of reasons and I don’t think whoever coaches him is going to matter much. He is what he is. Also talent does attract better coaching prospects. Are other coaches willing to come here to lose? What if we have a team that is primed for the playoffs with a balanced roster and youth? That’s a lot different than what we have now. It would have attracted better talent than Cheeks I promise you.

    • Jan 10, 201410:28 am
      by Vince

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      Interesting idea, although it seems pricey for what would be a loan. Its no secret Love wants to play in LA, and Detroit is no Hollywood, so I wouldn’t expect him to stay.
       
      Not to mention that this move takes away two of our better offensive options and leaves Smith at the 3, not exactly a smart move, especially when you consider that we are pretty thin at 2-Guard as it is.
       
      I’d rather we use our expirings to nab someone more suited to our needs and who is more likely to stay. 
       
       

    • Jan 10, 20141:17 pm
      by Tim Thielke

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      I’d happily trade Monroe+Smith+Jennings+KCP+a pick for Love and soon to run out contracts.

      Drummond+Love would be an insanely good starting point for a team.

      • Jan 10, 20142:23 pm
        by Chris

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        If we managed that trade do you think we’d end up the playoffs this year? I think it probably would be enough because Love is a good enough passer and shooter that there would likely be plenty of space on offense. Long term that might hurt us, but you have to think with those two we could have a few people take less money to try and win if they were wrapped up long term.

        • Jan 10, 20143:27 pm
          by jamesjones_det

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          I kind of felt the other way around, I thought it would hurt near term (we would have no PG, SG or SF really) but long run that’s a nice solid core to build around.  In the east those two might get you to the playoffs but I think it would be difficult with little to no backcourt.

          • Jan 10, 20143:48 pm
            by Chris

            It’d be difficult to guess what we have, but probably Stuckey bynum singler jerebko CV harrellson and Siva, and whoever we can get back. I think it would depend a lot on who we got back, but the east is really, really, really…. really weak outside of those top 2-3 teams. We could still make some sort of run after that trade.

  • Jan 10, 201410:23 am
    by Vince

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    What a shame for all you anti-Moose commenters out there, you guys must be livid. Must be hard for you to hear that Dumars isn’t ready to shoot himself in the other foot and doom this franchise to another half decade of unabashed mediocrity.

  • Jan 10, 201410:23 am
    by Haan

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    The headline doesn’t match what Ellis said.  “Won’t consider” is a whole different beast than nothing “currently,” “could change,” and “right now.” 

  • Jan 10, 201411:04 am
    by LT

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    what are the chances that Cheeks gets fired this season? Are the Cheeks hot?

  • Jan 10, 201411:40 am
    by Huddy

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    ESPN insider suggests Afflalo and Davis for Smith as a trade possibility (not based on rumors just speculation).  I like that deal a lot.  Perimeter defense and shooting for a lack of perimeter defense and poor shooting ability.  Smith doesn’t hurt Orlandos Tanking hopes if you remove Davis/Afflalo and could be a nice fit next to Vucevic with Oladipo/Harris and whoever they add in the draft. 
     
    I get that Smith didn’t garner a ton of interest before and his contract seems tough to move, but if Orlando had added him in FA they would be making a move that said they were trying with Afflalo, Smith, Oladipo, Vucevic.  This trade keeps them in draft position and solves a need.  They have young SG and SF, but Davis is not the answer starting at PF.  It takes the team from probably being bottom of the barrel yet again next year to having a solid starting line up with room for growth from its young players.

    • Jan 10, 201412:04 pm
      by Chris

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      Was there ever the question on if Davis should start at power forward? Man I never thought so. The league has really gone away from what davis brings with his size. Either way, I like the trade, but what are the chances Afflalo would play for Detroit the way he playing for Orlando? Not even the good/decent player, bad team effect, but just wanting to play for Detroit again.

      I like the deal as well, that probably means it won’t happen.

      • Jan 10, 201412:19 pm
        by Huddy

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        I would say chances he keeps up the numbers are about 5%.  I like him for the fit not the 20 ppg though.  His perimeter defense should remain and the ability to hit shots.  The pistons wouldn’t need as much out of him as Orlando does.  Idk how much bad blood exists, he would probably feel fine if the system worked and they were winning, especially at this point in his career.
         
        Davis is obviously not the answer.  My main point is that the trade fills Davis’ inability and they already have someone they have invested a high draft pick in to take Afflalo’s place.  Leaves them less questions to answer in this year’s draft/FA and fewer years of creating a losing culture.
         
        If they are too stubborn to even shop Monroe theres no way they are giving up on the Smith move this early so, alas, I have to agree all wishful thinking.

        • Jan 10, 20142:28 pm
          by Chris

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          I’d say that depends more on Orlando. In the right system Smith can still be electrifying. He’s had moments of it here in Detroit. The problem is that all of the advantages Smith brings don’t work in detroit without better shooters. At both the 3 and the 4 smith needs some space to work with (moreso at the 3). If they feel that Smith is what they are missing they should be willing to deal something for him. Is what Orlando would be willing to give enough for Joe to pull the trigger? If I’m just getting Afflalo and Davis I might try to get something else.

          • Jan 10, 20145:26 pm
            by Roger

            One idea that might work could be the CV and Stuckey expirings for Jameer Nelson and Davis.  That would really fill two huge holes on the bench while challenging Jennings.
            Development within this organization has been terrible in a sense, so having a vet like Nelson to push Jennings could go a long way.  
            Chauncey should have been that this year, but his voice does not carry as much weight when he can’t actually go out there and go at Jennings in practice. 
            Only suggesting that because I think you guys are right that Smith likely won’t be moved.  

        • Jan 10, 20145:21 pm
          by Roger

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          It often times goes overlooked that a guy like Afflalo might actually appreciate Joe for moving him when he did.  
          Had he stayed in Detroit, he would have been stuck behind Stuckey, Rip, Iverson and then Ben Gordon.  
          Same goes for Amir Johnson. 
          Not sticking up for Joe, but just trying to open eyes to another side of the story…Everyone gets caught up about the “would’ve, should’ve or could’ve” and you really could say that about any GM or team in the league.  

  • Jan 10, 201411:58 am
    by freeparty

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    monroe, stuckey and cv
    for
    shumpert and carmelo

    • Jan 10, 201412:10 pm
      by Smitty

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      New york never does this. NY is actually playing better now. They are only a half game behind the Pistons. Hopefully the Pistons lose out and draft Jabari Parker.

      • Jan 10, 20141:22 pm
        by Tim Thielke

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        Hopefully the Pistons lose out? We’re not even halfway through the season. The odds of that happening are so remote that it’s almost like saying “hopefully the Pistons don’t miss a single shot in their next game”.

        But yes, if the Pistons managed to end the season on a 52 game losing streak, at least nobody could ever say that they weren’t the most phenomenal tankers of all time.

        • Jan 10, 20141:59 pm
          by Smitty

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          I can only dream. Right now it feels like they have a shot at losing most games. This team would never come close to not missing a shot haha. We have better odds at missing every shot.
           

        • Jan 10, 20142:33 pm
          by Chris

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          That would double the current longest losing streak of 26. At some point Stern would notice an effort in tanking.

          • Jan 10, 20142:59 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            Yeah, I think he might get suspicious if the team “accidentally” shoots at the wrong basket several times per game.

          • Jan 10, 20143:50 pm
            by Chris

            Sheed is their coach. These things happen mr commissioner.

      • Jan 10, 20141:49 pm
        by freeparty

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        knicks could go after lebron with that trade.  they will never make it past the second round with melo.

  • Jan 10, 201412:11 pm
    by Parsons

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    I don’t know I just think we’d be best served to tank and get a top 5 pick. We’ll do better next year if we can get lucky in a supposedly stacked draft. I’d just trade Monroe to Phoenix or Boston for draft picks or to OKC for some of their young players and their draft pick. Most of the players people want aren’t realistic anyway. I mean Melo? Rondo? Love? Never gunna happen. Best realistic trade is for Afflalo and a struggling Tobias Harris or a variation of Jeff Green, Jordan Crawford, and Avery Bradley. Neither deal puts us in title contention anytime soon. All they’d do is lose us are draft pick. I think if we stockpile picks and cap space though we’d put ourselves in a better position to compete for real next year rather than sneak in just because the East is pathetic. Not to mention 3 maybe 4 if you count Boston are below us and getting better. I say if they want to pass us let em. Right now with this team I think we miss the playoffs. Not good when we’re trying in a pathetic conference.

    • Jan 10, 20141:23 pm
      by Tim Thielke

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      The Pistons probably have too much talent to get a top 5 pick without some serious luck in the lottery. Trading Monroe probably doesn’t change that fact.

      • Jan 10, 20142:35 pm
        by Chris

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        Hmm… maybe it’s a nagging drummond back injury that keeps him out for the next 20 games or so when he’s supposed to be playing “big minutes” and “developing”. Of course when only two of our bigs are playing together they’d play better so with our luck they’d win all 20 of those games…

      • Jan 10, 20143:28 pm
        by Parsons

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        Look at are schedule after feb 21. Its gunna be brutal. The entire month of February is gunna be tough. If we don’t play well in this next 10 game stretch its over. Miami, Orlando, Brooklyn, Denver, San Antonio, and Cleveland. 6 game stretch following a Miami game to start February. The end of February we have a 4 game stretch of Western Conferance teams and the very next game is New York. I think if we trade Stuckey and Monroe we’ll be plenty bad enough to lose these tough stretches. We’re getting are butts kicked against Western Conferance teams with those 2. We have 17ish Western Conferance games left. 9ish against the Southeast who we haven’t done well against. I actually think we’re bad enough NOW to keep our pick with a rough schedule but with some trades I believe we’d be bad enough for a top 5 pick. Thats just my opinion.

    • Jan 10, 20145:38 pm
      by Roger

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      We all get frustrated with this team, but there realistically is a chance they could lock up the 3rd seed with a few moves.  
      Shoring up the lineup with a few moves (Jeff Green is up and down, but really fits a need for the Pistons – Boston also has Humphries and Gerald Wallace or Crawford who could give us an actual bench).  Orlando, Philly and Phoenix (if they decide to sell with Bledsoe going down) have some assets. 
      Smith clearly isn’t the answer at SF…Moose has been “ho-hum” since his first day with the team…that’s just his personality.  However, there is a premium on near 7-footers who can get you 18 and 10.   
      I think they are better served surrounding those core guys with proven vets and trying to make this work.  No question the talent is there…it just needs to be harnessed.  If that means moving Moose, you still have a ridiculously young core with Drummond, KCP and Jennings.  
       

  • Jan 10, 20141:29 pm
    by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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    We all knew that the Pistons were not going to trade Monroe…There’s no surprise here…

  • Jan 10, 20142:13 pm
    by Joey R.

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    We should try to pickup eric gordon theyre trying to move him soon.

  • Jan 10, 20143:23 pm
    by Windy

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    San Antonio is looking to upgrade…moving a Stuckey or CV or Bynum there would be wise…take something whike they have value…Sell high on Stuckey it makes zero sense to keep him…Dumars thinks were going to the playoffs because of Stuckey well if we are then say goodbye to our pick and Stuckey…if we tank at least get some assets back 

  • Jan 10, 20145:32 pm
    by Roger

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    Can someone tell me why it makes sense to keep losing and collect another lottery pick? 
    There are three top 10 picks within the past four years in the starting lineup.  What is adding another young player going to do?  
    None of those guys in this “incredibly deep” upcoming draft are locks to come out.  Who says that Jabari or Wiggins won’t stay in school for one more year if Utah gets the first pick (or has the best odds)?  There have been a lot of rumblings about that recently…especially as some of those guys are becoming more exposed throughout the season.  
     

  • Jan 10, 20149:00 pm
    by NBALive14

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    I think klay Thompson is available …joe d  make it happen 

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    by Cynde Delaina

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