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Trey Burke sees Pistons embarrass themselves once again

Utah Jazz 110 Final
Recap | Box Score
89 Detroit Pistons
Greg Monroe, PF 16 MIN | 1-7 FG | 2-2 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 4 PTS | -10

Monroe was terrible, the worst he’s been in a long time.

Josh Smith, SF 24 MIN | 1-6 FG | 2-4 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 4 PTS | -18

Smith was just as bad as Monroe, but he got 50 percent more playing time. All part of Maurice Cheeksplan.

Andre Drummond, C 32 MIN | 3-5 FG | 4-8 FT | 13 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 3 BLK | 3 TO | 10 PTS | -20

Drummond protected the basket very well, especially impressing his strong help-side rotations. That’s been a point of emphasis for him, and he blocked the critics (and the Jazz) tonight. He also rebounded well, per usual. There wasn’t much he could do as the Jazz lit up the Pistons from beyond the arc to build their big lead. Drummond was similarly helpless offensively, because Detroit refuses to make him a prominent part of their gameplan on that end.

Brandon Jennings, PG 32 MIN | 4-13 FG | 2-2 FT | 1 REB | 6 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 11 PTS | -15

The offense had no flow, and though his teammates struggled much more than Jennings did, that problem ultimately falls at least somewhat on the point guard. Jennings played decent defense early against Burke, who helped Jennings by pressing with his effort. But once Burke settled down, Jennings was nowhere to be seen.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG 27 MIN | 2-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | -16

Trey Burke (20 points, 12 assists, seven turnovers, two steals) didn’t have a great game, and the Jazz certainly didn’t dominate because of him, but he at least showed why so many of us believe the Pistons should have draft him. Few rookies can orchestrate an NBA offense like that. Burke was way too sloppy with the ball tonight, but that’s an uncommon problem. His mix of scoring and passing was the norm. Notice this section isn’t really about Caldwell-Pope? That’s the point. He was fine, out-running everyone to get a fastbreak basket and making a confident 3-pointer early. He’s just limited. Caldwell-Pope is filling his role better and better, but Burke fills a bigger and more important role. Plus, Burke is just a flat-out better player right now. It’s far from conclusive Burke will remain aehad of Caldwell-Pope, but there’s also little reason to believe either player will improve at a faster rate than the other. Caldwell-Pope’s standing with the Pistons is still overshadowed by Burke, and tonight only enhances that.

Josh Harrellson, PF 12 MIN | 0-0 FG | 1-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 1 PTS | +1

The Jazz were too athletic for Harrellson inside. He can clog space, but he can’t hang with leapers.

Jonas Jerebko, PF 9 MIN | 3-5 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 7 PTS | +6

Jerebko played nine minutes, all of them in garbage time. Obviously, that’s not Jerebko’s fault, but my goodness, that’s a long garbage time. And it’s not as if Jerebko entered the game immediately once garbage time began. The Pistons were pathetic and took themselves out of the game relatively quickly. For his part, Jerebko made the most of his time.

Charlie Villanueva, PF 10 MIN | 2-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 5 PTS | -5

Unremarkable

Luigi Datome, SF 5 MIN | 1-1 FG | 2-2 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | +1

Datome made a jumper, and I suppose we should credit him for not jacking up a ton of meaningless shots.

Kyle Singler, SF 32 MIN | 4-8 FG | 4-5 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 13 PTS | -11

It will get lost given everything else that happened, but Singler had a really good game. He got inside for good shots and hit a 3. He also showed good effort on defense.

Will Bynum, PG 20 MIN | 2-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 4 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 4 PTS | -8

Bynum helped Burke get on track, falling well short of the even Jennings’ defensive level. Bynum was sloppy offensively, but at least he threw a lob to Drummond. Maybe some other Pistons should try involving a 6-foot-10, 270-pound center with great hands and quick hops into their offense.

Rodney Stuckey, SG 21 MIN | 9-14 FG | 3-4 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 21 PTS | -10

Stuckey, who declared himself finally healthy during the Pistons’ lengthy break, certainly looked it tonight. He was a one-man offensive machine, using his strength and speed to get good shots. If the Pistons hadn’t gotten blown out, maybe we could have overlooked Stuckey’s negligent defense.

Maurice Cheeks

Blaming Cheeks is the easy call – and probably the right one. The Pistons have had five days off twice this season, and they’ve been blown out their first game back both times. But is there any evidence whether teams perform better or worse after lengthy breaks? Most concerning is Cheeks has clearly established a preference for more practice time. But even when he gets it, the results are horrid. The only reason Cheeks avoids a failing grade: too many Pistons were bad tonight, leaving Cheeks’ hands tied. His rotation seemed off, but I’m not sure he stood a chance at making this work.

76 Comments

  • Jan 17, 201410:55 pm
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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    Man….i just don’t get it…it just has to be Cheeks

    • Jan 17, 201411:35 pm
      by grizz3741

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      I think so too .. Sure .. we need a good SF … but … Cheeks does not seem to have the outgoing SOB attitude .. where the mindset of the team is win at all costs .. and to get everyone involved and playing as a team with speed and kiler some instinct ..  .. Sure .. blame Dumars .. Blame Cheeks just as much .. Officially given up on this team … If they couldn’t get up to beat the Jazz  .. which has beaten then 14 out of the last 15 times .. a team with Trey Burke … at home .. then they never will .. I suppose I prefer Cheeks be fired now .. just to see if some SOB can light a fire under this team … and make it smarter and more together than they have shown so far .. but … if they do not .. then it just means the Pistons will drop into a top 8 lottery pick and that both Cheeks and Dumars will be fired at the season end .. And that is all good too .. Your move, GM Joe Dumars .. It certianly does look like you made made some major wrong moves in signing Smith, not drafting Burke, and hiring Cheeks …

      • Jan 18, 201412:18 am
        by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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        I hear you grizz…I feel the same way…I’m looking for that killer instinct from someone too…Jennings looks like he has it sometimes, but his jumper is so inconsistent he really can’t be seen as our go-to-guy…I disagree with you on the Dumars part, but everything is on point…+1 for your post…

      • Jan 18, 20147:17 am
        by sebastian

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        I’d say fire Mo’, today, and move Chauncey tho the Head Coach position. Hell, some kind of change, something, has got to be done.
        Mo’ is straight vapor. He can’t coach, plain and simple.

        • Jan 18, 20149:40 am
          by Haan

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          Good one, Sebastian.  I wonder if Chauncey would be interested in the job at this point.  Seems pretty chancey.

  • Jan 17, 201411:03 pm
    by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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    WOW!..We need to change something up…We’re not even top 8 in the Eastern Conference anymore…I’m on NBA 2k14 right now trying to figure something out…

    • Jan 17, 201411:08 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Try trading for Ben Gordon.

      • Jan 17, 201411:36 pm
        by grizz3741

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        good one! ;).. get that draft pick back too while you are at it ..

      • Jan 18, 201412:13 am
        by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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        @Pat: Hahahaha, I don’t know about that one…We need something to happen man, this is starting to get ridiculous…

    • Jan 18, 201412:20 pm
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      If Cheeks can’t get it together maybe we should really think about giving Hollins a call. A minor trade is needed too. I like Stuckey,  but he’s turned himself into a nice trade piece. Dumars would be wise to trade him for a SG with shooting range.

  • Jan 17, 201411:09 pm
    by smitty

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    I didn’t get to see the game but wtf. Utah spankin us at home.

  • Jan 17, 201411:17 pm
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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    You should not get blown out after 4 days off of practice…

  • Jan 17, 201411:36 pm
    by Brandon Knight

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    Trade Charlie V. And Greg Monroe
    For 
    Spencer and Even Turner 

    • Jan 18, 201412:11 am
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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      No…

    • Jan 18, 20141:10 am
      by Kevin s.

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      Evan Turner is terrible. We don’t need more inefficient volume shooters on this team. 

  • Jan 17, 201411:48 pm
    by Jay wiz

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    Rip on KCP when the whole team played like garbage, makes sense. Burke for mayor of Detroit!

    • Jan 18, 201412:15 pm
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      The entire team deserved to get ripped. We played like open-ass last night.

  • Jan 18, 201412:01 am
    by jay

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    This was so damn embarrassing… as a fan I just wanna see my team be competitive n not just go out there n not give a damn… I am a Trey Burke fan but I didn’t get to mad at Joe for not drafting him cuz I heard the rumors of Joe wanting an experience pg to run the team.  At that time the Rondo rumors were very strong.  I am a supporter of Joe but enough is enough. He has until February 20th to fixed this unbalanced team.  N if he doesn’t then sadly his his great legacy will end in such shame…. 

  • Jan 18, 201412:05 am
    by Jake

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    Feldman,
    Your blind Burke support (to the point of irrationally criticizing KCP) is why I frequent this site about 1/10 as often as I use to (and plan to cut down my current usage even further).
    Burke looks solid, but in the modern NBA game it is easy for a PG to put up solid numbers while looking decent.  There are about 20 PGs doing as well or better than Burke right now.  Unless he enters the elite (possible, but unlikely), his potential is extremely capped (since finding solid PG play in free agency is so easy).
    KCP certainly looks worse right now, as would almost any player given 1/4 of the possessions as the player to whom he is being compared.
    I also love that whenever you go off on your Burke-love tangents, you ignore defensive contributions, where KCP is light-years ahead of Burke.
    I say all of this as a former UofM student and giant Burke fan.

  • Jan 18, 201412:09 am
    by Jake

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    Also, it is hilarious how often Dan mentions Burke as the obvious option over KCP and continually ignores MCW.
     
    Serious question: if Burke went to NC State, Georgetown, UNLV, or any other non Big-10 school, would we hear 1/10 as much as we hear about him?

    • Jan 18, 20141:52 am
      by Dan Feldman

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      Back so soon?

    • Jan 18, 20145:10 am
      by freeparty

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      Yes because he was the college player of the year last year while leading his team to a near championship.  And this year he is the clear ROY candidate with a well rounded game that can be compared to Chris Paul and Damian Lillard.  AND THE PISTONS PASSED ON HIM WHEN HE FELL IN THEIR LAP WHEN THE TEAMS BIGGEST NEED WAS A PG WHO COULD SHOOT, DEFEND, PLAY THE PICK AND ROLL AND LEAD A TEAM TO WINS.
       
      Time Joe D hangs it up.  Make a quick exit with Stern in a couple weeks.  (How wierd is that by the way?)

  • Jan 18, 201412:35 am
    by Adam

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    Yes Patrick we would. He was national player of the year last year and was there for the taking. The people who criticize Burke and act like he won’t be a very good NBA player (I’d argue he is already pretty damn good halfway through his rookie year as the #2 ROY candidate) are just beginning to sound dumb. Keep holding onto that crutch as long as you can. Burke has ice in his veins and works harder than anyone I’ve seen. He has stuff you can’t teach and that’s why he is such a good player. 
     
    KCP at this point is a role player and it is uncertain whether he will ever be anything more than that. Burke already looks like he can lead a team and since he was injected into the Jazz lineup he has taken a bad roster and turned them into a .500 team in a much tougher conference. Burke makes everyone around him better and I sure would love to have him working the pick and roll game with Drummond like he does with Kanter.

    • Jan 18, 201412:54 am
      by Smitty

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      In Jake’s defense the only thing I can say is that not many teams win title’s with PG’s as their top player.  Maybe Parker, but he had Duncan. Maybe Lebron but he’s just better than anyone and not a pg really. Maybe Chauncey, but he was the best player on a damn good team. Zeke, but also a damn good team. If you look you have Jordan, Bird, Magic (kind of a pg, that also had kareem), Jordan,Kobe Shaq, Shaq, Duncan, Dirk(when Lebron vanished). Yes Burke would be nice to have, but who cares because this team is so fucked up right now.

      • Jan 18, 20141:15 am
        by Kevin s.

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        Chauncey was far and away the best offensive player. Magic  was certainly a point guard (except for the year he played center). 

        • Jan 18, 20141:22 am
          by Smitty

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          I was saying BEST player. So 25 years ago, Magic who had KAREEM. Read that. Bottom line is that you need a great team, with a capable PG and a defense that can step up at the right times, or be dominant. 
          I think that having Ben and Rasheed were just as important as Chauncey that year. So Joe D could have drafted Burke and the only thing that might have changed were expectations this year. Either way this team is bad.

          • Jan 18, 20141:54 am
            by Kevin s.

            Kareem was not better than Magic in the 1980s. Not even close. Scarcity begets value, so I essentially agree that you take a wing over a PG, all else equal. But I’m not sure I buy you narrative. A PG is only going to be the best player 1 out of 5 times. 

          • Jan 18, 20142:07 am
            by Smitty

            Trey Burke isn’t Magic. Never will be. I wanted Burke, but I don’t think he could help this team. We should have taken Burke. Too late now.

          • Jan 18, 20142:09 am
            by Smitty

            To your point though. Find me 20% of past champions in the last 14 years who’s pg’s were their best players?

          • Jan 18, 20142:46 am
            by oats

            @ Kevin s. Wing players are the most abundant source of talent in the league. The league is littered with guys that can play some defense and hit an open jump shot now and then. KCP could be really good at filling that role, but it is still a really easy to role to fill. It is far more rare to find a guy that can run an efficient offense and set up his teammates.
             
            @ Smitty. I agree the 20% thing is a little weird. It’s wrong largely because of Bill Russell’s Celtics and their stranglehold on the NBA championship. Still, your 14 year thing is pretty arbitrary. How about since the merger, which is often thought of as the modern era of the sport? I’ve got Thomas twice and Magic 4 times. I actually would argue for Ben Wallace over Billups, but there is a strong case for Chauncey. There’s also some debate about whether the answer is Gus Williams or Jack Sikma as the best player on the ’79 SuperSonics. Williams is the guy that took over in the playoffs though, so I’d give it to him. That’s between 6 and 8 times the PG was the best player since the ’76 merger, which would be right around 20%.
             
            This is kind of a pointless argument though. If the Pistons become a contender it will almost certainly be because Drummond has turned into a star player. They weren’t going to be drafting to find the best player on the team because they already had the role filled. So why does it matter if there haven’t been many PG’s that were the best players for their team since no one at that pick projected as a best player on a championship caliber team anyways?

          • Jan 18, 20147:09 am
            by sebastian

            Smitty, I get what you are saying, even when the Kobe/Shaq Lakers had there 3 peat, Derek Fisher was their starting PG.
            But, the point that the repliers are missing is: OUR Pistons look like a pile of sh!t after 2 sets of 4 days without any games on the schedule.
            Something has to change, now!
             
             

      • Jan 18, 20148:00 am
        by jerrific

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        I would argue that Ben Wallace’s contributions on defense outweighed Billup’s contributions on offense. Billups was a fine player, but our offense worked because it was so balanced. Wallace was the anchor of a historically good defense and, regardless of his offensive contributions, should have been considered a super star because during his prime because he was so dominant defensively.  

      • Jan 18, 201412:18 pm
        by Vic

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        KCP Burke are just as good as each other. Both players will have great careers, in different roles. The stupidity if the Pistons franchise is this:
        Burke was more necessary and more rare. His IQ, passing skills, shooting skills were exactly what was needed. Instead they get a low iq coach, a low iq pg, and a low iq small forward. They could have had Burke feeding Drummond and Moose, hitting threes, managing the 4th quarters like he learned how to do against college coaches, and making things look easy for the teams real superstars: Drumroe
        They could have gotten Trevor Ariza and some other 3 and D sg in the draft or even waited a year.
        Instead we get to watch a perfect firestorm of dumb decision making and wasted talent. A coach with no answers or insight on why playing 3 bigs doesn’t work, a star pg that gives away 4th quarters, an SF that thinks he can shoot 3s. The Pistons get outsmarted by any and Every high iq coach or pg in the league. And now Smennings has replace Drumroe as the teams future, the biggest waste of all.
        I like KCP but Burke was a longer term and obviously better short term choice too.
         

        • Jan 18, 20142:26 pm
          by Vic

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          Dumars gave the team to Smennings, who both went pro from Oak Hill Hs and have demonstrated low Bball iq for their entire pro  careers.
          They run this team off high school instincts, and there nothing Mo can do to stop them

  • Jan 18, 201412:47 am
    by Who Is Us

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    Yes of course, I see now through your rant Dan that drafting Burke was clearly the right choice and if the Piston’s had done that all the teams problems would be fixed and the streets would be paved with gold on the way to another championship!!
     
    Jake is absolutely right, if Burke had played for Ohio State or Wisconsin this argument wouldn’t be an issue. But since he’s a hometown guy who had a great collegiate career everyone always pines for that guy, but maybe you should ask Matt Millen and Charles Rodgers how that works out? Last anyone checked Rodgers is smoking weed in the Saginaw slums and Andre Johnson Has been lighting up defenses for a decade…

    • Jan 18, 20141:53 am
      by Dan Feldman

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      Great comparison. Makes total sense. Nailed it.

      • Jan 18, 20142:13 am
        by Smitty

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        Since Millen was fired at least the Lions have been watchable. The Pistons need someone like DD. Signed Fielder and it worked out for a bit, then it didn’t. So he made moves. This guy is always making moves to win. Joe D sometimes makes no moves then just makes moves that don’t make sense. Clearly Josh Smith isn’t working out.

      • Jan 19, 20149:23 am
        by Who Is Us

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        Yes, I know I know I nailed it. I, however don’t require your validation, but thanks anyways Dan.

  • Jan 18, 20141:06 am
    by Willy

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    Sorry. I must have missed the memo. Are we tanking now, or do we like being embarrassed at home? 

    • Jan 18, 20141:34 am
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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      No we’re not tanking…Our team is just young, dumb, and still full of cum…I’m getting close to trading Josh Smith for Brook Lopez on 2k14, give me a few minutes… :-}

      • Jan 18, 20141:45 am
        by Smitty

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        What good would that do even on that video game? Otis must be in the hospital lately? I’m starting to thing that no one will trade with the Pistons.

      • Jan 18, 201412:14 pm
        by PistonFanSinceDay1

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        That’s a weird trade Jodi

  • Jan 18, 20141:09 am
    by AYC

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    I have to strongly object to the Trey Burke picture over KCP.  Is this going to happen with every other player drafted below KCP who has a better game?  Why not with MCW?  Why not with a player drafted below Greg Monroe or Dre?  Maybe we should have drafted Eric Bledsoe instead of Moose?  Greivis Vasquez? Jordan Crawford?  Should Warriors fans through up Andre Drummond’s pic over a grade for Harrison Barnes?
    This is not how to answer the critics who accuse the pro-Burke crowd of irrational bias and inability to soberly analyze the situation. 

    • Jan 18, 20141:55 am
      by Dan Feldman

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      “This is not how to answer the critics who accuse the pro-Burke crowd of irrational bias and inability to soberly analyze the situation.”

      Look at any national writer not biased toward the Pistons and find one whose sober analysis ranks KCP ahead of Burke right now.

       
      • Jan 18, 20145:12 am
        by AYC

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        And why isn’t it being done with Moose and Paul George?  Why isn’t it being done with MCW?  Why didn’t it happen with Steven Adams or Plumlee or Giannis?  If it was simply about taking a better player or prospect, certainly MCW qualifies.  I think this would be ridiculous if some other site for the 8 teams that passed on Dre did this.  This didn’t happen with any other player on the Pistons roster.  People let it go with other draft errors for this team, for other teams, and in other sports, why is this one so burning?
        That was a really poor choice.  It was a decision that doesn’t seem to have a consistent, logical, and impartial foundation. 

        • Jan 18, 201410:56 am
          by Tim Thielke

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          Because there is a big difference between not being prescient enough to know the exact order of how draft prospects will shake out and not being smart enough to grab the best prospect on the board.

          The best prospect doesn’t always become the best player. But Monroe was handily the best prospect when Dumars took him. Ditto for Drummond. And Burke was a much better prospect than either KCP or MCW.

          This is the same reason that I am pissed off at Dumars about the BG and CV contracts. It’s not that they didn’t work out. Sometimes, good plans don’t work out. It was the fact that the moment the deals were signed, everyone and their mother could tell that they were bad contracts.

          • Jan 18, 20146:59 pm
            by AYC

            I think you guys have very selective memories regarding Burke and the 2013 draft.  I followed the draft extensively, in fact its when I started visiting the site on a daily basis.  At the time there was debate over who was the better PG prospect- Burke or MCW.  Most people said Burke had the higher floor, but the lower ceiling.  MCW was seen as a riskier pick, but potentially much better than Burke.  As Draft day approached, Burke’s stock was falling.  He went from being a top-3, to 1-10, which is where he ended up.
            http://nba.si.com/2013/06/11/nba-draft-2013-trey-burke-michael-carter-williams/
            http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9342043/2013-nba-draft-chad-ford-jay-bilas-debate-draft-top-point-guards?src=mobile
            http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nba-draft/post?id=17
            Burke was not the best prospect.  Burke was the most NBA-ready player left on the board.  That doesn’t make him the best prospect. His limitations in size and athleticism meant that there were serious questions as to his maximum potential. Dennis Schroeder was arguably a better “prospect” because he too had a higher upside.  
            Sorry, but some of us have a better, unbiased memory when it came to analysis of Trey Burke and the PG position in the 2013 draft.  It’s there in the record.  These aren’t fan blogs, these are ESPN and SI writers.  They all make arguments for MCW over Burke.  They all list the limitations of Burke.  If you are going to put Burke’s face over KCPs, you should do it with MCW. 
            And here’s Chad Ford and Jay Bilas saying KCP is worthy of a Top-10 pick with Ford saying he should be mentioned in the same breath as Oladipo and McLemore.
            http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9375084/2013-nba-draft-chad-ford-jay-bilas-debate-draft-top-shooting-guards?src=mobile
            Are you still claiming “consensus” and that Trey Burke was “a much better prospect”?  Are you saying that’s what the media said?  Seems the national analysts, pre-draft, untainted by Michigan bias, have a much different view of the players involved than you do. 
             
             

        • Jan 18, 20141:42 pm
          by Dan Feldman

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          Tim nailed it. It’s easy to call nearly 99 percent of draft picks a mistake in hindsight. At the time, Burke was the consensus choice of both objective analysts and Pistons fans (most of whom are not Michigan fans). That he was the local choice draws more attention to it, but the main issue has nothing to do with where he went to college.                

    • Jan 18, 20142:49 am
      by Tom Y.

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      We should have drafted Paul George over Moose, of course.

  • Jan 18, 20141:43 am
    by microjfox

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    I don;t think is fair to judge KCPfor this. He runs the court hard and puts up pretty good stat lines for being an opportunisic feeder. If he can get more comfortable with the 3 ball and put on 20 lbs. he’ll be a good role player. Fire Cheeks and let Chauncy and Sheed coach the team. Smith or Monroe gone by the deadline and jsut tank for a top 8 pick. GO GO GO.

  • Jan 18, 20142:50 am
    by Tom Y.

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    KCP is a good player and no, I don’t see a clear indication that Burke is a better player. After his terrible shooting month in November, he’s actually been playing very well on both sides of the ball – unlike Burke. 
     

  • Jan 18, 20145:07 am
    by Adam

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    Love how everyone makes josh smith the scapegoat it’s all his fault 

    • Jan 18, 20148:24 am
      by jerrific

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      We must be reading different comments sections. Everyone knows Smith is the third biggest problem on this team. Firing dumars/cheeks are obviously numero 1 and 2 in terms of magic fixes. 
      But seriously, Smith would be an amazing second or third option.  The problem is he lacks the shooting ability,  or self awareness, to be a number one, and that hurts our offense. However, he’s hardly the only problem. This team is poorly constructed, with no clear vision on offense or defense. We feature two inefficient volume shooters prominently, play our second best player (smith) like he’s our best player, and out of position to boot, we don’t stretch the floor nearly enough to make space for our bigs, our defensive rotations are god awful, and the list goes on.
      But all that aside, ya Smith has been pretty bad the majority of the time.  

  • Jan 18, 20148:03 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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     LoL….Jennings is better than Burke…Period
    And of we can’t win with Jennings, how could we win with Burke? 
    It’s easy to get caught up in all this Burke talk…but truth… Utah was 9-22 for 3s….Pistons 4-16…
    We ran into another team that had bigs able to knock down shots from 13-15 feet off of pick and pop situations
    While Monroe has the open shot, but try to bully self in the lane…against more athletic players who are waiting for him
    Kanter had plays run for him, he 13 shot attempts…Drummond only had 5 shot attempts only 5 all but lobs and put back except for one…
    Burke played an excellent 2nd half…dont take nothing away from him…this was his first 20&10 game…jennings has 5 or 6 of those already this season….
    We have soo much more to fix on this team than PG… 
    The problem is this team has no direction….5 days ago we are running the offense through Josh with…we walk away with back to back wins…and talk how the offense with feature Josh Smith…then yesterday he only get 6 attempts only playing 24 mins…last 2 games he played 38 & 43 mins…
    It’s just does not make since…I honest do not believe coaching is this difficult

  • Jan 18, 20148:06 am
    by Corey

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    I love how everyone acts like KCP is going to stay just a role player. Good size. Great athleticism. Hard nosed high energy bulldog of a defender. Good shooter with a college history of creating his own offense off the dribble. hr’s a role player now because he’s a rookie and they don’t pass him the ball. But in a couple years? I see “high quality starting SG” as his floor, barring crippling injury.  At a minimum, he’ll be a consistent double digit scorer and lockdown defender. His ceiling is multiple all star, quite frankly. He has all the tools to be a great SG and is only 20 or 21 years old. He’s the same year as Andre, who we’re constantly reminded is so young

  • Jan 18, 20148:54 am
    by DetroitP

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    shits so frustrating.  just trade someone already, how about Maurice Cheeks and Charlie V for a second round draft pic?

  • Jan 18, 20149:23 am
    by Georgio

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    I think our defensive problems are the result of Cheeks philosophy, protect the paint at all cost. Watching the game I noticed on numerous occassions that Stuckey, Smith and all of our perimeter players have one foot and sometimes both feet in the paint for no apparent reason. I was screaming at the TV for Stuckey to get back to his man, but he didn’t move until the ball was passed out to him and he couldn’t recover in time, boom open 3. This happened numerous times with our perimeter guys in the paint and their assignments out behind the 3pt line. Stuckey even mentioned in the post game that “we have to help our bigs”. We should be taking away the 3 and forcing the ball inside where our bigs should be able to contest and control the paint. This is truly a coaching problem, his schemes are what is hurting our defense and maybe the players are getting discouraged because it’s not working.

    • Jan 18, 20144:55 pm
      by Patti1

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      @Georgio Good post on defensive schemes.  They keep getting killed by 3pt & long jumpers, yet everyone leaves their man open on the outside for way too long.  Over and over pass to the open man camped out on the 3pt line and boom.
      Another thing Cheeks does is kill momentum with his rotations.  Jennings & Stuckey start lighting it up and Cheeks immediately pulls Jennings and puts Bynum in.  Any flow that was working comes to a halt.  Rotate players when it’s stagnant, not when the ball is moving well and players are making their shots.

    • Jan 18, 20146:40 pm
      by OOtis

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      The Pistons have two problems on defense in this scheme – (1) They have too many bad one on one defenders, and (2) they have too many bad help defenders.  Otherwise, playoffs, here we come!

  • Jan 18, 20149:58 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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    I agree it’s frustrating…..

  • Jan 18, 201410:06 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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    Is it too late to be saved?

  • Jan 18, 201410:23 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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    @Georgio….we have a better chance at being Good defensive team then becoming a good offensive team.
    We hate it, but Greg is the odd man out…
    We could start Stuckey, and move KCP is SF….we give up height, but make up for wit with speed and athletic ability to switch on defense..
     

    • Jan 18, 20143:13 pm
      by oats

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      Why do that? Stuckey’s not actually a good defender, even if he is probably the second best perimeter defender. KCP has had problems getting pushed around some by SGs, I don’t think he’s actually ready to take on bigger SFs. I’m not convinced that’s a significantly better defensive lineup than KCP at SG and Singler at SF. Yet the Singler version has much better floor spacing since Stuckey can’t shoot.

  • Jan 18, 201410:43 am
    by jg22

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    uh, the players were awful, but who was in charge of preparing them for this game?
     
    CHEEKS
     
    Every player on the team deserves an F (aside from maybe Drummond only because he actually gave effort), but Cheeks deserves  F- for this pathetic display.
     
    He had 5 days to prepare for the lowly Jazz and this was what he came up with? 
     
    Imagine what’s going to happen if they ever get in the playoffs and Cheeks has only 3 days to prepare for a contender?
     
    I mean this is ridiculous. This is the second time in a month that he’s had 5 days to prepare his team to play against medicore competition at home, and he got blown out both times.
     
    I think the roster may be resposible for some of the problems this year, but I would put it at about 85-15 in favor of the coach being way more responsible.

  • Jan 18, 201411:11 am
    by Max

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    Last night was the lowest point I’ve had as a Pistons fan since Dumars passed on Burke.   I haven’t been  commenting much lately because my enthusiasm has been drained.   I’m not sure how much more I’ll watch before I say I’ve seen enough and call it a season.   The Pistons suck.  

    • Jan 18, 201412:12 pm
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      Why become a fair weather fan?

  • Jan 18, 201411:40 am
    by pablum

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    Here are the problems:
     (1) Cheeks can’t coach.
    (2) Jennings can’t pass (not consistently), can’t shoot (not consistently), can’t make key decisions in crunch time (not ever).
    (3) Singler, a certified bench player, is our best jump shooter and should starting (oy vey..)
    (4) Chauncey has been reduced to a cheerleader in grapefruit sweatpants.
    (5) Stuckey is our best overall player right now and he’s a walking injury waiting to happen.
    (6) Per#’s 2,4,5 above; we have no pg.
    (7) Drummond is 20, full of brilliant promise, but can miss any shot at any time, save for alley oops, which are meaningless in real games.
    (8) Moose is our 2nd best player: a center with a 6inch vertical who runs a 10 second 40.
    (9) Harrelson is our best defender in the paint (omg…)
    (10) KCP who?
    (11) Amidst all this wreckage, we are, bizarrely, a better team than we were last year…(gulp?)…

    • Jan 18, 201412:11 pm
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      Pablum, good comment. Monroe is a PF though, he’s just an extremely slow PF who has skills around the basket. 

  • Jan 18, 201412:06 pm
    by Pistons moribund

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    .??????????why was Siva not out there guarding Burke.  Watched Burke all through college.  Very over rated. Will not be better then KCP.  Obviously had that returned home didn’t draft me chip.  cheeks is a horrible coach.  Pistons always making scrubs into all stars.  never mind the all stars.  let the tanking begin!!!!!

    • Jan 18, 20141:34 pm
      by Smitty

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      The East is so funny win a game your the 6th seed. Lose a game and your in 10th place haha. I think they should decide in a direction soon. If they want to make the playoffs, fire cheeks and pick up another wing. If they don’t trade Stuckey for some picks or youngers players. Sell off whatever is left that another team would want. (If anything).

  • Jan 18, 20142:56 pm
    by Nick N

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    The only different between Burke and Kcp is Utah decided at the beginning of the season that they would build the team around Burke and let him go through all the rookie bumps and failures. Burke get more touches than Kcp. Trust me in the long run Kcp will be the better prospect. 

  • Jan 18, 20145:13 pm
    by frankie d

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    one vote here for the burke pic under kcp’s grade.
    i thought it was hilarious and weirdly appropriate.
    if you can’t appreciate the humor behind it…get a life.
    we will see over the next decade about the wisdom of the kcp pick, but early returns show that it was a mistake.
    this past year’s draft class was full of wings, some of whom were picked much later – snell and hardaway to name a couple – and joe passed on a much rarer commodity and reached for a type of player he could have gotten much later in the draft.  again, we will see how kcp compares, not only to burke, but snell and hardaway and others, but, imho, the probability is that it will be clear that joe reached badly when he pulled the trigger on kcp at #8 in last year’s draft.

  • Jan 19, 20148:43 am
    by JYD for Life

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    I was surprised to see that nobody pointed out why Burke had a great game…Brandon Jennings was guarding him.  Pretty sure John Lucas III would have lit BJ up as well.  

  • Jan 19, 20149:07 am
    by JYD for Life

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    Also no mention of Burke’s 7 turnovers.  Good player, but really…lets calm down.  

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