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Pistons make a win over Sixers harder than it needed to be, finally snap losing streak

Detroit Pistons 114 Final

Recap | Box Score

104 Philadelphia 76ers
Greg Monroe, PF Shot Chart 27 MIN | 5-6 FG | 5-8 FT | 10 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 15 PTS | +1Monroe scored very efficiently, he got a ton of boards given how little time he spent on the floor, and he even defended pretty we… no, not really. His defense was awful. But he contributed more than he gave up, so that’s better than we’ve seen lately.

Josh Smith, SF Shot Chart 43 MIN | 8-23 FG | 4-6 FT | 13 REB | 7 AST | 4 STL | 5 BLK | 3 TO | 22 PTS | +10Smith shot too much and he sucks at shooting. But wowsers, he was huge in every other facet of the game.

Andre Drummond, C Shot Chart 31 MIN | 5-12 FG | 1-3 FT | 12 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 6 BLK | 1 TO | 11 PTS | +4Drummond looked like a rookie again. He was dominant defensively but was not providing much on offense. And even what he did bring tot he table wasn’t all that efficient. But 12 boards, 6 blocks, and a win? I’ll take it.

Brandon Jennings, PG Shot Chart 28 MIN | 4-10 FG | 7-8 FT | 3 REB | 6 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 19 PTS | +1This is the kind of play I want to see consistently from Jennings. He wasn’t going off, but still managed to be a big positive by keeping the ball moving, stretching the defense, and shooting relatively infrequently but well from deep.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG Shot Chart 30 MIN | 5-11 FG | 0-0 FT | 7 REB | 2 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 12 PTS | -6KCP was sloppy at times, but he gave Detroit exactly what they needed in this one.

Kyle Singler, SF Shot Chart 36 MIN | 6-17 FG | 3-4 FT | 8 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 16 PTS | +14Kyle Singler’s shooting and defense were ugly, but his rebounding went a long way to redeeming him. Just about every Piston contributed to Detroit winning the glass, but some of Singler’s caroms were particularly impressive.

Will Bynum, PG Shot Chart 34 MIN | 6-11 FG | 3-4 FT | 8 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 2 BLK | 5 TO | 16 PTS | +20Bynum was so Bynum in this one. He was electrifying, sloppy, and a crucial part of a comeback. I don’t know if he could have a more self-characterizing game.

Chauncey Billups, SG Shot Chart 7 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 3 PTS | +3What little we saw of Billups on offense was pretty solid. But he is so helpless on D these days that he may as well hang out on the other side of the court, let his teammates play 4-on-5 and get a couple easy baskets on long outlet passes.

Maurice Cheeks
The Pistons reversed their typical norm by coming out flat and storming back into the lead. However, Cheeks’ rotations looked as misguided as ever.

Two Things We Saw

  1. The Pistons won this one because they out-rebounded Philly by 20. That’s not an easy thing to do. Credit to basically every Piston, especially the back court players.
  2. Beating a 12-24 team should be no cause for celebration, but the Pistons have been flailing so hard that they just needed any win against anyone.

64 Comments

  • Jan 11, 20141:53 am
    by Smitty

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    Move on people nothing to see here.

    • Jan 11, 20143:00 am
      by jg22

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      lol, agreed. These grades and writeups on each player/coach are bewildering. I thought this was one of Cheeks best coached games of the season from a rotation standpoint, for recognizing we needed to go small to match up and using only 2 of 3 bigs at a time. Yet according to the write up he deserved a D- because of his rotation. 
       
      Singler played awesome in almost for the whole game and only got a C, yet Jennings who got benched in the 1st half gets a B just for making a few triples. 
       
      Then there’s the fact that KCP got the same grade as Smith, despite Smith essentially doubling KCPs production across the board. KCP played good too, and I’d give him an A-/B+, but how does Smith not get an A+ or at least an A, when you posts an all-time great statline?
       
      Only player ever with those stats in a game. I’d sure like to know what criteria these grades are being based on, because they don’t seem realistic.

      • Jan 11, 20147:35 am
        by PistonFanSinceDay1

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        Smith played incredible last night. He desired an A+

        • Jan 11, 20148:43 am
          by Huddy

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          I’m sure he did

        • Jan 11, 20144:18 pm
          by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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          I actually thought the grade Smith received was spot on…I don’t mean to nitpick, but 8-23 is terrible(and I’m a Josh Smith fan)…

  • Jan 11, 20142:04 am
    by Brandon Knight

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    I don’t care how much inefficient Smith was…Just for the fact that he made history with his incredible stat line,  he should get an “A”
    Again Carmelo Carmelo Carmelo Please :(((

    • Jan 11, 20142:06 am
      by Brandon Knight

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      how inefficient*

    • Jan 11, 20142:07 am
      by Ryan

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      What are you proposing we give up for Carmelo Anthony? If we’re giving up Josh Smith I’m in.

      • Jan 11, 20142:21 am
        by Brandon Knight

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        No man. If there is a reason Carmelo would ever to resign is because there is a well known talent like Smith on the team.
        You tell me which front court would you rather have?
        Drummond Smith Melo
        Or
        Drummond Monroe Melo
         
         

        • Jan 11, 20148:18 am
          by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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          BK.. We’d be only renting Carmelo…its well documented that he is madly in love with his wife, and she only wants to be in certain locations….Detroit is not one of them

  • Jan 11, 20142:04 am
    by Adam

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    i just hope this game shakes up the starting 5 and rotations going forward but I have feeling tomorrow will bring the same starting 5 

    • Jan 11, 20143:12 am
      by jg22

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      I have the same feeling. But PHX starts a stretch lineup with Frye at PF and the Morris twins who both shoot 3s, so it would make sense to play the same rotation tomorrow vs them. It would make even more sense to just bring Monroe off the bench to start the game this time to avoid another 19-4 deficit.

    • Jan 11, 20147:39 am
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      Just like someone already mentioned, we played a shitty team last night. All Cheeks did was match-up to the 76ers style of play. The 76ers played small ball, so we played small ball. That’s a luxury we have!

      • Jan 11, 201411:56 am
        by frankie d

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        Playing philly’s small ball with them was so dumb even philly’s annoncers were scratching their heads.  They could not figure out why detrooit would just give up their huge size advantage – which was killing philly on the boards – to match up with a small ball line up.
        Just dumb coaching.  But what else is new.
         

  • Jan 11, 20142:06 am
    by Ryan

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    Smith’s value will never be higher lets trade him now. I want to maximize his value but honestly I don’t care if all we get back is a 3rd round pick and some rolling papers. I, like so many others, am already sick of him taking and missing a ton of shots and only bringing it in about one game out of ten.

    We have a good young core. We need a legit three who can play defense, rebound his position and shoot threes. We need a big who can play with Monroe or Drummond and sub in for Monroe for defensive purposes (plus Monroe’s defense needs to keep progressing). We need legit back up guards at both spots.

    Using Smith, Stuckey and Villanueva we ought to be able to make some solid steps toward getting these pieces this season and this summer. If we can add the parts I mentioned while keeping Jennings, KCP, Singler, Monroe, Drummond and Mitchell or Jerebko (not sure who’s got more upside at this point) we’ll be ready for the playoffs and I mean the playoffs for real not some meaningless playoff spot with a losing record like we might end up with this year.

    • Jan 11, 20142:18 am
      by Brandon Knight

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      Dude we’re lucky Smith signed here. He is one of the best all around players in the leauge. However he is just being missused. I know the efficiency is awful however that is due to the shift in position. Go look up his stats from other years, he is around 47% guy. Trading Monroe is the better option. Smith is superior to Monroe at the PF position. 
      Smith is better than Monroe in running the floor, court vision, shooting, ball handling, driving, defense…etc.
      I believe that Smith is just way more valuable than Monroe on the court.
      BTW just having the name “Josh Smith” on our team is a plus. He would attract good free agents. Also he is more fun to watch for the fans than boring Monroe. 
       

      • Jan 11, 20143:10 am
        by ryan

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        You could not be more wrong. 47% for a power forward with Smith’s ability around the basket is not something to be proud of it’s a goddamned embarrassment. Do you know what every other team in the league, but especially Atlanta did when Smith signed here? They laughed their asses off because we paid way to much for a guy who isn’t a winner and who kill his team and team morale with horrible shooting and decision making.
         

        • Jan 11, 20143:27 am
          by jg22

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          Compare Smith’s win % his last 3 years to Monroe’s. Then tell me who is the winner and who is the guy you can’t win with?
          Smith 2010-2013: .560 
          Monroe 2010-2013: .366
           

          • Jan 11, 20144:46 am
            by oats

            I agree with defending Smith from the “he’s not a winner” arguments. You really can’t assign blame for an entire team to a single player. Smith was on a team that was one piece away and never managed to get that piece. That’s not Smith’s fault.
             
            That said, I don’t like this argument. It’s not Monroe’s fault that he was on teams with worse coaching and much worse talent than Smith had the last few years. It also seems really unfair to look at Smith starting with him in his 7th year versus Monroe in his rookie year. Both of these arguments are largely nonsensical to me.

      • Jan 11, 20143:19 am
        by jg22

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        I agree BK. People need to keep in mind that if Smith could do all these intangibles like shotblocking, steals, assists, rebounds, etc at an elite level AND shoot a high% as well, then he would basically be LeBron James and we would’ve had no chance to sign him.
         
        Perfect superstars don’t come to Detroit. Fans need to remember what team they are following. We get the players with flaws. That’s just how it is, so better to just learn to accept it. It was the same with Rasheed. If Sheed didn’t have his flaws he would’ve been Tim Duncan 2.0 and Portland would’ve never traded him.
         
        So Smith isn’t perfect, but he can contribute big in ways that other players on the roster can’t, and its hard to get players to come here and do the things he does do well. Trading him would be a mistake, especially when Monroe isn’t even a PF. So you still would have that issue to fix. You have a solution right here already in Smith to replace him. No need to make things more complicated than they need to be.

        • Jan 11, 20144:54 am
          by oats

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          This isn’t a minor flaw. He’s an awful shooter who shoots a lot. He is so bad that he hurts his team with his offensive play. It’s not like he’s all that much better as a shooter when playing PF this year either. His defense is way better at that position so he is a useful player, but I’d still say that his offense is so bad that his defense doesn’t justify his contract.
           
          As for Monroe, he’s actually played really well next to Drummond so far when he hasn’t been saddled with Smith’s awful play at SF. I’m not buying that’s a problem that would need to be addressed down the line if Monroe was kept and Smith moved.

          • Jan 11, 201412:06 pm
            by Ryan

            The semester’s starting again so I’ve got to stop focusing on the Pistons and start focusing on classes. I just wanted to stop in with some last comments. I appreciate people’s enthusiasm in defending Josh Smith and I get the Joe Dumars philosophy of trying to rebuild players. I just don’t think Josh Smith is a guy that will ever work with. It’s true that his Atlanta teams weren’t that good and that Smith wasn’t the whole problem. However I firmly believe that you cannot build a winner with him as one of your core because he refuses to 1) do the work to improve his jump shot and 2) take smarter shots. Even when Smith has played at power forward he still has a tendency to shoot it from outside and when he does he misses. This is hugely demoralizing for his team and it gives the opposing team a chance to rest on defense. You can’t win with a guy who makes those poor choices frequently and consistently.

            I believe in Greg Monroe and have seen him develop into a very good player. When we play Monroe, Singler and Drummond together they’re all effective. Smith ALWAYS brings his inefficiency to the floor and doesn’t always bring the intangibles. Monroe is younger, bigger and has a track record of improving. He’s also capable of being a facilitator which we haven’t been able to see this year. We need to invest in him and Drummond.

            To further this point let me give you a few names. Arron Afflalo, Amir Johnson, Brandon Knight, Khris Middleton, Bonzi Wells, Mehmet Okur these are guys that we drafted and then lost for very little return. I understand that big stars aren’t going to come to Detroit which is why I believe we have to become highly effective at developing the players we draft. Sometimes you miss in the draft and really isn’t NBA ready but mostly guys are decent to pretty good and we have to stop bringing them in and not making them into the very best player they can possibly be.

            We’ve been gifted two very good big men in Monroe and Drummond and I believe it’s not clear that Josh Smith was a mistake so I want to move him in order to make sure we build around two younger, bigger guys. It’s about building the team the right way and only taking on reclamation projects that make sense (Ben Wallace, Chucky Atkins, Corliss Williamson guys without huge egoes and poor track records).
             

          • Jan 11, 20142:58 pm
            by oats

            Teams have won with somewhat boneheaded players before, and thy will again. His defense at the 4 and his passing make him into a net positive player when playing that position, and since that’s the case he could be part of a winning team. Paying him the kind of money Detroit is paying him makes it tougher, but teams have won with overpaid players too.
             
            Saying Smith can’t win is sort of like how LeBron couldn’t win. There was a lot of talk that he lacked that killer instinct and would always defer to inferior talents, and that meant he couldn’t win it all. Then his teammates improved and all of a sudden he was winning. Your complaint about Smith has a bit more merit than lacking a killer instinct, but it still requires you to ignore the fact that flawed players win all of the time. Smith needs good teammates, and a roster that maximizes his strengths while minimizing his inefficiencies.

          • Jan 11, 20145:37 pm
            by frankie d

            i disagree.  
            teams can win with boneheaded players, but only if those boneheaded players are secondary options and not the kind of alphadog who will insist on being “the man”, especially offensively, when it is clear that they do not have the necessary skills.
            smith, imho, sees himself as – as reggie jackson would put it – as the straw that stirs the drink.  he obviously sees himself as the primary offensive option for this detroit team, which is extraordinary and a total misreading of his strengths and inefficiencies.
            if he were to be happy being a dennis rodman/scotty pippen-style complimentary player, he could be one of the league’s dominant players.    he could pass, defend, rebound, make steals,  run the court and block shots.  and get garbage points without having a single play run for him.  he could probably average12-15 ppg and 8-10 rebounds per game while filling the other boxes in ways that other guys cannot dream of.  
            his history has shown that he simply does not want to play that way.  he wants to sit at the 3 point line and jack up long shots.  he has said that those shots are good shots for him – despite 10 years of evidence to the contrary – and he continues to seek those shots out and shrug and say that they just didn’t fall when he shoots his typical 27% from deep.  that is who he is, after 10 years in the league.
            i cannot recall another title team with a similar player as their lead offensive option “which has won a title or even made deep playoff runs.  guys like smith may eventually be on title teams, but that is only after they’ve resigned themselves to being role players who may come into a game and turn a game around because of their talents.  i cannot recall a team that has won that actually has a lead dog  guy like smith, a horrible shooter – one of the league’s worst, in fact a guy who is a joke in the league because of his refusal to stop taking bad shots  - and someone who absolutely kills a team at crucial points because of his horrendous judgments about shooting.
            you might be able to win with a josh smith 4 or 5 years from now, after he has gotten to the point when he is glad to still be able to play at a relatively high level, but this josh smith is simply a volume shooting, rally-killing chucker and no team can win consistently with a guy like him in the lead.

        • Jan 11, 20147:46 am
          by PistonFanSinceDay1

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          I’m glad to see people are finally coming around to Smith. I’m not a homer(well not 100% of the time), but I understand the type of players Dumars usually targets. He gets the players the league has given up on and Dumars tries to make them into a shining jewel. He’s had the same strategy for years!

          • Jan 11, 20144:15 pm
            by Jodi aka "The Guru"

            @PistonFan: Agreed…

  • Jan 11, 20142:09 am
    by Adam

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    Smith ain’t going anywhere let’s move on
     

  • Jan 11, 20142:29 am
    by Brandon Knight

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    I just feel bad for the Pistons for not getting the most out of Josh Smith. I don’t know what the Pistons management are seeing. Obviously playing him the small forward position is not a good idea. Why cant they just move on. Smith is a way much player than his stats show.  

    • Jan 11, 20147:50 am
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      It can work if Smith understands he’s role. At SF he’ll be defensive, then when he shifts to the PF he’ll become more offensive. We also need KCP to become more consistent.

      • Jan 11, 201411:12 am
        by Smitty

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        I think KCP is really improving. I like how he is starting to use his dribble to attack the basket. In fact I like the fact that he is dribbling the ball.

  • Jan 11, 20142:32 am
    by pistons moribund

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    Mo actually tried to keep only two bgis on the floor most of the time and Dre and Bullwinkle played mostly at center and Smith played PF, his more natural position.  Singler first off the bench and allowed smith to work in the post a bit more rather then camping out at the perimeter.  Sounds like a game plan.  Bullwinkle is most effective in the post as is Smith, while Smith adds a bit more defense then Bullwinkle.  Apples to apples, Smith is a better PF then Bullwinkle.  He also sets much better picks.  Bullwinkle always looks lost in space when he goes out to set a pick and then has no idea where to roll to.  Very half ass and clueless.  Then again, Bullwinkle really isn’t a PF.  So stands to reason, Dre and Bullwinkle will have to share time at center and Smith can be the full time PF, which is where he is meant to play,which is why he stuffed the stat sheets tonight, which is why we have two centers, not two PFs.  The game was almost lost in the first two minuets if not for the first substitution that Mo made.  Hopefully Mo will learn from it a bit and decide Smith is a horrible SF, almost as bad as Bullwinkle as a PF.  Now we have three centers and one good PF and one horrible PF(CV).  Does it seem possible that if Jorts were to play the same amount of minutes, his stats would be close to Bullwinkle?  And this is his first full time NBA gig.  Imagine a backup center that can shoot from the outside and the defense has to respect. 
    Perimeter defense still horrible outside of KCP.  Really no good defender to speak of.  Pretty clear that all the other teams have to do is drive and score or kick out for a three.  Especially when Bullwinkle is in the game.  Huge liability.  He’s is the piston’s Rudy Gay(Toronto reference), the sooner he goes, the better off the team will be.
    This game just shows that Smith brings so much more to the table then Bullwinkle does.  Bullwinkle is a great player on a bad team, but only an average player on a good team.  The pond got bigger this summer but he is still the same size fish.  Ironic how a big man can play so small.

    • Jan 11, 20142:46 am
      by Brandon Knight

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      I agree. I love smith, I hate Monroe. Bullwinkle lmaooo.  

    • Jan 11, 20143:03 am
      by jg22

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      Excellent post. Agree with every sentence

    • Jan 11, 20145:19 am
      by oats

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      So this one game trumps the entire rest of the season of Smith being awful while Monroe has been decent?

      • Jan 11, 20147:56 am
        by PistonFanSinceDay1

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        I sort of agree with Oats on this one. I don’t think Smith has been awful, he’s just adjusting to a new team. I also don’t think it’s fair to judge Monroe/Smith off a game against a terrible team. Let’s compare during All-Star break(mid point through the season).

        • Jan 11, 201412:13 pm
          by Parsons

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          We’ve played 37 of 82 this is the halfway point. The all star break isn’t until mid February 3/4 into the season.

      • Jan 11, 20149:06 am
        by pistons moribund

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        “Smith being awful” as a SF.  We shall see if Mo as the nut sack to put Bullwinkle on the bench.

    • Jan 11, 20147:35 am
      by Vic

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      “He’s is the piston’s Rudy Gay(Toronto reference), the sooner he goes, the better off the team will be.”
       
      Totally clueless you are. Everybody who knows anything about the Rudy situation knows he was bad because put up good stats on inefficient shooting. Just like Josh Smith.
       
      Your statements are usually moribund but at least semi sensible. You tried way too hard and totally missed that one. Your an idiot if you’d trade our Valanciunas (Monroe) and keeP our Rudy Gay (smith). That makes you Joe D NOT Masai  U lol
       

      • Jan 11, 20149:04 am
        by pistons moribund

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        Point was that this teams is better off even if a statistically better player was not on the team.  “Totally clueless you are”

        • Jan 11, 20143:09 pm
          by oats

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          You’re missing why they improved though. Gay was only better at getting traditional stats, but bad when you took into account efficiency. There isn’t some magic with trading away good players, the key was that Gay was secretly not a good player. The Piston who is the most like Gay is Smith, a solid traditional stats guy that sucks if you look at efficiency stats.

  • Jan 11, 20142:35 am
    by Pacman

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    Wow, ratings are off here…Smith was an A+, don’t care what his shooting was. He kept us in the game in the first half when no one else except Singler and Bynum were playing. Singler is also no lower than a B, struggled defensively, but rebounded well, and the ball moves better when he is on the court with his cutting. Drummond and Monroe are probably lucky to get B+ after they played terrible first halves. Cheeks was also at least a B, he took the starters out when they clearly didn’t have it going and rode the players who did — and we won a second half.
    And let’s not completely dismiss the Sixers. Yes, they are bad, but they are a much better team with MCW. They were almost .500 coming into this game with MCW in the lineup, including beating the Heat and Bulls (pre-Rose injury). Their record is much worse because of MCW’s absence in which they have won one out of about ten games without him.

    • Jan 11, 20143:05 am
      by grizz3741

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      shooting 8 for 23 may get you an A or A- but how can it get you an A+? You better be better than perfect in that case ..

      • Jan 11, 20143:33 am
        by jg22

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        I think anytime you have a game for the ages it deserves an A+. Shooting % is meaningless sometimes. That’s just how it is. The game is more than just shooting. Look at all of Ben Wallace’s games where he had monster statlines and dominated the game despite shooting poorly. 
         
        Only 3 other times in history has a player put up those stats (Kareem twice and Hakeem once), and Smith is the only one to ever do it while making a 3 pt shot too. I don’t care if you shoot 1-20, if you have a game that only Kareem and Hakeem have ever been able to duplicate, and you win by 10, it deserves an A+.

        • Jan 11, 201412:10 pm
          by Ryan

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          Ben Wallace didn’t take 23 shots and shoot poorly. Ben Wallace didn’t take shots that kill the offense. Ben Wallace played his role well and minimized his weaknesses. Josh Smith sometimes plays his role well and always seems to maximize his weaknesses.

          Also you have to consider the context of this great game. Philadelphia is a weak team that wants to lose and Josh Smith played 43 minutes it’s not going to be hard to put up good stats against a team like that. Look at Singler’s stat line as an example.

  • Jan 11, 20142:48 am
    by Adam

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    Smith brings intangibles and gives us a player who can at least slow the lebrons George’s and Melos of the world not only that but they know they have to guard him because of his unpredictability also. Yeah bash him for his inconsistency and stupidity but we need him more than we are letting on.
    his name alone like BK said brings bums to seats and also in this homie luv fest called the nba ballers go where their homies are at. Yes no one really wants to come to cold ass detroit but u never know if Melo was considering leaving NYC he would really have to at least consider Motown.
    and hey if that happened just think of it as the universe correcting what shoulda been in the first place 

    • Jan 11, 20145:18 am
      by oats

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      Melo lit Detroit up, George had a bad game, and LeBron had a pair of typical LeBron games. The sample size is small, but I see little evidence to suggest that he is all that capable of slowing those guys down. I do however see him struggling to defend even league average SFs.

  • Jan 11, 20143:08 am
    by jg22

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    We don’t even have to trade Monroe for Melo. We can just use Monroe off the bench the rest of the season and then let him sign somewhere else in the summer, maybe get back a cheap role player or two in a sign and trade, and then just sign Melo outright with the money we would’ve spent on Monroe.
     
    Honestly I think that might be the best plan, because there’s really no great SFs available for trade right now. So no sense in taking on money for an average SF just to balance the roster, when we already have an average SF in Singler to do that, and just bring Monroe off the bench if we want for now. Then use the money on a better SF in FA like Melo or Deng, and just let Monroe go on his way down the moose trail to some other team.

    • Jan 11, 20145:13 am
      by oats

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      Wait, you argue that Detroit should be fine with Smith being awful this year because it’s hard for Detroit to sign marquee free agents, and then you propose they sign Melo this off season? Huh? I don’t get how that adds up. That makes slightly more sense than New York agreeing to send Melo to Detroit without getting Monroe or Drummond. They aren’t that desperate because they can offer him more money than anyone else, which gives them a pretty good chance of retaining him.

    • Jan 11, 20148:00 am
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      Monroe to the bench? Melo to the Pistons? 

  • Jan 11, 20144:06 am
    by Adam

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    Jg well said use Stuckey and cv to get us a pick on the side and then gores needs to wine dine pamper Melo and lala to get his signature

    • Jan 11, 20145:08 am
      by oats

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      Why bother with that when LeBron has similar odds of being a free agent this summer. Melo forced his way to New York to get into a bigger market. There was an awful lot of talk that he narrowed Denver’s options to a team in New York or LA. The only way Detroit has any chance of getting Melo is if they trade for him now and can offer him more money. I still think the odds would be insanely tiny since he would probably more than make up that difference in endorsement deals by playing in a bigger market. This is a really far fetched idea, and the odds of it actually happening don’t seem that much better than landing LeBron, so why not just pretend like that is a possibility.

  • Jan 11, 20145:59 am
    by MrCarter

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    I would still like to see us try to deal Monroe to Boston for Jeff Green and a backup center. Keep in mind that, as our roster stands right now, if we dont re-sign Moose, we’ll have about $15 million in cap room to make more moves. But Green is 6’9, only 28, long, athletic, 16ppg, 45%fg, and will move Smith to his more natural PF spot where his shooting should improve some. Again its just my opinion but thats what Id like to see. We need wing scoring and shooting and Boston needs financial flexibility and help at center.

  • Jan 11, 20146:49 am
    by MitchEPooh

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    My beefs- This game turned when Singler came into the game. His hustle was key to the comeback.
    Smith was a monster. If he ( or anyone ) could have made all the little putbacks, the FG % would have been much higher.
    Our defense was so bad to start the game and the turnovers, it showed we were not ready to play. I wish one of our bigs had the balls to put someone down coming down the lane. Use your fouls, make people think twice about venturing into the paint.
    Billips is done.
    Sitting Jennings in the first half probably won the game for us. When is this guy going to set the pace instead of wildly react to it?

  • Jan 11, 20147:42 am
    by Vic

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    Good game. Kudos to Cheeks for mostly playing 2/3 bigs.
    This game was won because they outrebounded and outblocked one of the least athletic frontlines in the league, and because Singler at SF.
    Lets see if Cheeks can keep it up.

    • Jan 11, 20148:21 am
      by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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      Monroe was the first to the bench…like I said early Josh simply has the ability to bring more to the. PF position number don’t lie

    • Jan 11, 201411:38 am
      by Vic

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      Well they finally staggered the bigs After 4 minutes, and shortened the rotation.I have to say that the only thing they didn’t do from my emergency solution yesterday is play Josh Harrelson. I understand that though because they wanted the 3 bigs to get as many mins as possible. Obviously Bynum took Stuckeys minutes for the game, but that’s expected because Stuckey is coming off injury, and they play the same style.

       
      As for Monroe vs Smith it really doesn’t matter as long as only 2 of the 3 are out there. Yeah numbers don’t lie  monroe had a double doUble in 29 minutes and only missed one shot. 16 points in 6 shots. Smith had a great line but took 23 shots and made 8, and played 42 mins.
       
      Look at the top teams in the league they are built on efficient players. Beating up on Philly is not a reason to celebrate. I’ll celebrate Cheeks staggering the bigs and shortening the rotation though!

  • Jan 11, 201410:35 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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    MELO DOES NOT WANT TO BE IN DETROIT! PLEASE STOP IT

    • Jan 11, 201412:15 pm
      by Parsons

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      I agree same with Love and Rondo.

  • Jan 11, 201410:44 am
    by hoophabit

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    I have no problem with KCP’s A- grade, might even be a little high.  However, I’m not sure where the “sloppy” came from?  He had one turnover.  Bynum was sloppy.

    • Jan 11, 20142:48 pm
      by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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      I’m proud of Pope seems like he has a different approach to the game…

  • Jan 11, 201411:10 am
    by anacaniwelk

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    Wow! It has FINALLY occurred to Pistons Powered that they may actually have to start criticizing Drummond. Very light-handed criticisms so far……baby steps.  Someday they’ll realize nothing will change for the Pistons unless Drummond develops a dominant half court offensive game. Does Drummond have the talent to do that?  Nope. Guess he’ll have to just “work on his free throw shooting in the offseason.”  lol.

    • Jan 11, 20144:13 pm
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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      I wouldn’t be surprised if Drummond ends up being a bigger and more athletic Ben Wallace…I’ll be perfectly fine with that…

      • Jan 11, 20147:16 pm
        by anacaniwelk

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        Thing is Jodi….Ben Wallace could actually play great help defense, something Drummond has not shown any ability to do.  Drummond is an excellent rebounder but that’s all he is good at.  He gets lost on defense or just stands around defensively not guarding anyone.  If Jennings isn’t getting him fast break buckets he does nothing offensively.  Nothing changes for the Pistons until their half court offense, with Drummond as the centerpiece, can outplay other teams. 

  • Jan 11, 20146:34 pm
    by frankie d

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    one aspect i am surprised that no one has mentioned so far is that cheeks made the very smart decision to take the ball our of jennings’ hands for most of the game.  after jennngs  did a couple of boneheaded things – simply waving and getting out to the way of a guy going in for a transition two and then immediately going down the court and jacking up an early long 2 – cheeks sat him down.  
    and for a good portion of his time on the court from that point, he played off the ball with bynum assuming the lead guard role.  imho, this was very instrumental in keeping his shot numbers down and it prevented the kind of stagnation that has typically killed detroit, especially later in games.  players did not just stand around and watch him dribble from side to side looking for his shot.  6 different players scored in the 4th quarter, which was not happening with jennings handling PG duties, and typically focusing so much attention on himself and smith.  and he took almost each one of his second half threes on catch and shoot open 3′s.
    while it may be tough to do because of the pistons’ roster, i’ve always though this is the best way to play jennings: as an off-the-ball scorer who only touches it when he is looking to shoot.  unfortunately, it is tough to imagine too many line ups when jennings can run next to a primary ballhandler.  if stuckey was more of a facilitator, he would be perfect, but he doesnt look for other guys enough to work well with a guy like jennings.

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