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Pistons’ fourth-quarter futility continues in loss in Dallas to Mavericks

Detroit Pistons 106 FinalRecap | Box Score 116 Dallas Mavericks
Greg Monroe, PF Shot Chart 29 MIN | 9-13 FG | 2-4 FT | 9 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 20 PTS | -1Considering the fourth-quarter struggles that have followed the Pistons in recent weeks, months, well, all year, Monroe has gotten stuck in it as well. After being benched in the fourth quarter of the loss in Milwaukee, Monroe played seven minutes in the fourth tonight. He defended admirably, scored seven points (on 3-3 FG), and grabbed two rebounds. He was easily the most productive big man tonight, and he was the only guy with a positive +/- in the final quarter. Monroe went 2-for-2 on rhythm jumpers tonight, which is a good sign.

Josh Smith, SF Shot Chart 41 MIN | 10-24 FG | 5-7 FT | 8 REB | 2 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 25 PTS | -9I mean, if you squint your eyes and look at the basic stat line — 25-8-2-2 — it’s pretty impressive. Problem is it took Smith 24 attempts (but only two 3s) to score that 25 points; not so good. His scoring did keep the Pistons afloat early, though. He’s been farrr worse than he was tonight, but his defense wasn’t fun against Dirk Nowitzki, either. Then again, so was everyone else’s, so.

Andre Drummond, C Shot Chart 26 MIN | 2-5 FG | 0-2 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 4 PTS | -12This was probably the worst game Drummond has played in awhile. He wasn’t really active as a cutter/roller like he normally is, and it felt like he just floated around. He looked attentive, but not as much as normal. His defense wasn’t particularly good. Perhaps most surprising was how Samuel Dalembert, Dirk and Marion kept him off the boards. He also got himself benched twice, but we’ll get to that in Cheeks’ section.

Brandon Jennings, PG Shot Chart 38 MIN | 10-18 FG | 4-8 FT | 3 REB | 7 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 6 TO | 26 PTS | +2Just like Smith, Jennings’ numbers look a heckuva lot better than how he actually played on the court. Jose Calderon scorched him, shooting 7 of 8 from the field, which is a lot of shots for the sometimes shy Calderon. Jennings did score 12 points in the Pistons’ big third quarter, and he’s appeared to have found a rhythm. Still, that shot selection is pretty terrible, and he had six of the Pistons’ 12 turnovers. He looks like he’s playing point guard to accumulate assists, not to run an offense and team.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG Shot Chart 30 MIN | 4-7 FG | 0-1 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 4 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 9 PTS | -9Unlike other games, Caldwell-Pope made sure people were aware that he was on the court tonight. He did most of his damage in the first half, but he hit a nice 3-pointer in the first quarter, and had four steals, which led to a number of fast breaks where he finished strong with a pair of layups and a dunk. He defended well, too. He forced the ball out of Dirk’s hands at the end of the first quarter, and was big in forcing Monta Ellis into eight turnovers.

Tony Mitchell, PF Shot Chart 1 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | +2He grew up in Dallas, so it was cool that Cheeks got him into the game.

Josh Harrellson, PF Shot Chart 13 MIN | 1-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | +1He wasn’t good or bad. Harrellson does some things very well — eat up space, make open 3-pointers among them — but he’s a very limited player. Being able to match up with guys like DaJuan Blair tonight give him a chance defensively, but against more athletic guys he doesn’t stand a chance on defense.

Kyle Singler, SF Shot Chart 32 MIN | 4-11 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 9 PTS | -13Someone has obviously told Singler to start shooting more. He took 11 shots tonight, and has taken 10 and seven in recent games. It’s not a bad thing for him to look for his shot, but in the Pistons early-fourth collapse, he was involved in three of the first five plays:Singler, miss
Singler, blocked
Singler, charge

Yikes.

Rodney Stuckey, SG Shot Chart 31 MIN | 3-11 FG | 5-6 FT | 4 REB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 11 PTS | -11Stuckey shot poorly, but I think he was pretty good once the Pistons regained consciousness in the fourth quarter. He got to the line when he wanted, he did other things like rebound and facilitate. His defense wasn’t horrible, either. Also still appears wants to get paid (or traded at this point?).

Maurice Cheeks
It’s easy to pile on Cheeks, but he had his guys ready tonight — for three quarters, again. I’m not sure why he’s discussing starting lineup changes. Just pick a group to start the fourth quarter, that’s the problem. I’m not sure if there’s a correlation between Cheeks’ shorter rotations and playing good teams, but he only went eight-deep tonight, and Stuckey was your backup point tonight. As for the Drummond thing, Vincent Goodwill of the Detroit News tweeted: Cheeks on pulling Drummond: “Just about a play. He went right back in. It’s a learning experience to do what we do coming out a timeout.” So, it sounds like Drummond strayed from the play call coming out of the half? He only lasted 11 seconds before being benched. Goodwill also reported that Drummond chose not to speak after the game, so maybe he was frustrated? Who knows, but either way, it appears that Cheeks has given every meaningful Pistons player a mini-benching at some point this season. With how bad they’ve played, I can’t really say it’s a bad decision — especially considering Drummond’s play was so blah before. His second benching came after he was nowhere to be found on an Ellis’ drive followed by a lazy seal and fumbled entry pass. In all, Drummond saw the floor for 3:13 in that third quarter. But, with all of that said, it’s worth noting that after discussing Monroe’s lack of shots recently, Cheeks went to Monroe on the first three possessions of the game, resulting in an easy six points.

100 Comments

  • Jan 26, 201411:34 pm
    by Javell

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    Sitting drummond was just plain stupid…. He did nothing wrong in the beginning of the 3rd… He’s upset because he plays with two selfish bastards and they take all the shots… Id be mad to! FIRE CHEEKS we need to do something NOW

    • Jan 26, 201411:53 pm
      by Brady Fredericksen

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      He made two mistakes, didn’t play good defense. Doesn’t mean he’s bad, he just didn’t look into it to start the quarter.

      • Jan 26, 201411:56 pm
        by Smitty

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        Drummond should be a killer on D with his size and athletic ability. Night in a night out. 
         

    • Jan 27, 20143:51 am
      by Brandon Knight

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      “”"OFF TOPIC”"”
      Brandon Knight, YES again!
      All of you guys were whining “oh trade him, oh he is at best a 6th man, oh and oh and oh” 
      If you don’t count the Month of November where he was mostly injured and didn’t play full minutes, Knight is Averaging 18.3 points on 43% shooting 
      Why did we trade him again? I have no freaking idea!! 
      Combo guard averaging these kind of numbers on your team for 3 million dollars!!! not bad right? 
       
       
       

      • Jan 27, 20143:54 am
        by Brandon Knight

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        Oh BTW Trey Burke better than Brandon Knight? hhaha my ass. Burke sucks.

        • Jan 27, 20148:25 am
          by anacaniwelk

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          I’ll take Jennings all day long over Knight. I’ll take Knight all day long over Burke.
           
           
           

      • Jan 27, 20143:58 am
        by Brandon Knight

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        Enjoy Brandon Knight’s latest highlights! 27 points on 11-15 shooting.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeO02i9mRzI

        • Jan 27, 20144:45 am
          by jerrific

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          Are you seriously still defending this guy? He’s averaging basically the exact same stats he did last year, and is starting pg on the worst team in the league. Jennings is better, though not by much, they’re both terrible.  

      • Jan 27, 20144:17 am
        by oats

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        Off topic, and also largely wrong. This is a classic good stats on a bad team type of situation. He’s still a pretty average shooter because his 3 point shooting is down significantly this year. Someone has to score points on a bad team, and since he’s the point guard and he can’t pass that job has fallen to Knight. If you break it down into months he was awful in November, regularly bad in December, and playing well in January. Well, he would be if he wasn’t a PG. He’s still only got 4.6 assists and 2.9 turnovers as the starting PG, which is pretty freaking terrible. He’s had good shooting months before, let’s see if he can maintain it. So far for the entire season he’s playing like a 6th man. Sorry, it’s true.
         
        As for Burke, he’s averaging 5.7 assists and 2.1 turnovers. He’s a good enough passer to be a starting PG. Burke wins.

        • Jan 27, 20147:47 am
          by Huddy

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          Yeah knight is averaging 2 pts and 2 assists more than Stuckey (off the bench) on worse shooting as starting PG that screams 6th man tweener.

          • Jan 27, 201410:33 am
            by JYD for Life

            I would have taken Knight off the bench in that role.  He’s a smart player and although he’s not a true point guard, I give the organization credit for not forcing it any longer (like they did with Stuckey after one great playoff series against Orlando years ago).    
            Stuckey is a black hole and really needs to be moved.    
            People talk about getting an “asset” for him, but that will not be the case.  What team is going to give up a future first round pick for an expiring contract of a flawed player?  Especially mid-season?  
            If this team had any direction, Stuckey and Villanueva would have been moved for a solid veteran PG and big guy to come off the bench and stabilize things.  
              

          • Jan 27, 201410:47 am
            by Huddy

            I was just responding to knights potential as a starting pg.  He’s probably a capable 6th man even though he is kind of inefficient to impact in lower minutes.  Stuckey is a black hole but it’s hard to tell if it’s because cheeks refuses to call plays because there is little movement Its hard to say what he should do besides drive or shoot himself most of the time.

          • Jan 27, 201411:24 am
            by Parsons

            The Bucks are really trying to develop Knight. They’re doing a pretty good job. I believe with the bucks he’d make a pretty good 6th man. Who knows if they draft a star and sign some 3 point shooting Knight might surpass Jennings. Stranger things have happened. A good coach and a team that believes in him could really do wonders for him. I wish him the best. It wasn’t going to work out here but now he has a team that believes in him. It seems to be working out for him there I doubt he’d even want to come back and play Mo Cheeks and our band of movable parts that Dumars won’t move.

  • Jan 26, 201411:38 pm
    by Smitty

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    This whole team is a joke right now. Even being this bad we can’t sneak into a top 8 seed. I know Dumars was stockpiling talent. So now it’s time to move it for better fitting players. Let’s go.

  • Jan 26, 201411:47 pm
    by Ian

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    Score was 75-75 late(r) in the 3rd. I looked at my wife and said “they will lose by at least 10.” That’s all…

    • Jan 26, 201411:54 pm
      by Smitty

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      It’s not even hard to predict anymore. I tried to bet a guy at work the other night that we would lose to NO when we were up 16 and he wouldn’t even bet me hahaha. I found a trade I like for Smith today. Jimmer, Thornton, and Thompson. Boom do it Joe D.

      • Jan 27, 201412:04 am
        by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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        If we trade Smith we would need a starting caliber 3 in-return…Smith may not be your typical 3, but he’s better than anything else we have…

        • Jan 27, 201412:15 am
          by Smitty

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          We can find one next year. This season is just about over.
           

        • Jan 27, 20144:24 am
          by oats

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          Except the team is way better defensively with Singler at the 3, and Singler isn’t forcing up tons of missed shots. I don’t think it’s close, Singler has been much better at the 3. I guess Smith versus whoever backs up Singler is a debate though. JJ might be a better SF. He hasn’t played it much since his injury so I’m really not that certain. I seriously doubt he’d be that big of a drop off though because Smith has been really bad.

        • Jan 27, 201412:42 pm
          by kevin s.

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          “Smith may not be your typical 3, but he’s better than anything else we have…”

          Not really. More than fine working with Singler and a slew of 10-day contracts (or seeing what Mitchell can do at that spot) if it means ditching Smith. Getting out of that hideous contract should be the first priority for our new GM.

          • Jan 27, 20143:30 pm
            by Jodi aka "The Guru"

            @Oats and @Kevin: You guys can’t be serious…Singler isn’t even in the same tier bracket as Smith, it’s not even fair…We all saw how bad we were last season with Singler in the starting line-up…

          • Jan 27, 20143:56 pm
            by Brigs

            Lol I got news for u @jodi we have the same record as last year through this amount of games

          • Jan 27, 20145:04 pm
            by Jodi aka "The Guru"

            Talent wise, we still have a better team…We just have chemistry issues…I’m sure somewhere our stats are better compared to last year…

          • Jan 27, 20145:40 pm
            by Jon

            tell me again how much talent is considered when they decide who to let into the playoffs

          • Jan 27, 20146:05 pm
            by oats

            @ Jodi. You are right that they aren’t in the same tier. Singler is way better at the 3. The team is better on both sides of the ball when Singler plays SF. It doesn’t matter who is around him, putting Singler in makes the team better. This really isn’t even debatable at this point. Josh Smith is a terrible SF and Singler is kind of ok.

          • Jan 27, 20147:57 pm
            by Jodi aka "The Guru"

            @oats: We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one…We always seem to have this Singler argument, lol…

          • Jan 27, 201411:24 pm
            by oats

            The problem isn’t just your opinion of Singler. He’s a bench player right now, that’s pretty clear. Josh Smith is really terrible at SF. It really is that simple. Josh Smith is so aggressively bad that even a mediocre player like Singler represents a large upgrade at SF.

  • Jan 27, 201412:01 am
    by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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    Man, Cheeks actually played a decent rotation and these Pistons still lose!..Just so everybody knows, we currently have the same record as the Knicks…

  • Jan 27, 201412:14 am
    by Parsons

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    I think at this point Michael Curry and John Kuester had more respect than Cheeks. He has lost this team. They don’t try. Plain and simple. We’re just so demoralized at this point. I can’t see us breaking out of this without a major overhaul and I just can’t see us doing that mid season. I didn’t think Cheeks would get fired before but now I think its a coin toss. Even if we do fire him though the team doesn’t change and their trash too so its just a giant mess thats gotten too big to clean up mid season. Our next GM better be a garbage man because we’re gunna need it.

    • Jan 27, 20144:31 am
      by Dacata

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      Cheeks doesn’t get fired, that would mean that Gores would have to pay Cheeks over the be t 2.5 yrs his contract had to run. Gores is counting every penny, he’s running this team like a business. Not really the way you WIN in this league. He’ll figure that out soon enough, hopefully there’ll be a few dozen fans left by then.

      • Jan 27, 201410:34 am
        by JYD for Life

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        Keep in mind they’re still paying Larry Frank for this year too…

  • Jan 27, 201412:32 am
    by jg22

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    I don’t even think Cheeks really did that bad tonight overall. The only gripe I had was allowing Dallas to start the 4th on a 10-0 run, taking the deficit from 3 to 13 without ever calling a timeout in between. You can’t just let a team take a one possession game up to double digits in the 4th without doing anything to stop it. 
     
    Other than that and some questionable substitutions I don’t think he coached too badly. I just don’t think his system works whether he coach’s it properly or not. 
     
    The whole gameplan seems based on forcing turnovers and running. And when that works we get stops and score and can build a double digit lead, or come back from a double digit deficit. However, those stretches only occur once or twice in a game, if that. Once those runs end, there’s no foundation left in place to continue competing at a professional level. We can’t get real defensive stops and can’t score in the halfcourt. Basically his whole system is all icing and no cake. 
     

  • Jan 27, 20141:04 am
    by Smitty

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    Just watched some highlights. The difference between Detroit’s D and a bucket of shit, is the bucket.

    • Jan 27, 201411:14 am
      by sebastian

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      Sho’ you right, Smitty.

  • Jan 27, 20142:07 am
    by microjfox

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    Everything about this game looks like we are showing players. The rotation that Cheeks has been using, to me, point to that. I agree on Cheeks picking a 4th quarter rotation. That would go far in stopping these collapses. Dumars is up to something which is a worry at this point. The past three games look like Smith is going to be the one to go. Maybe with Singler or Stuckey. Outside of that these past few games don’t make any logical basketball sense. I think the tank is on and Smith gets traded. 

  • Jan 27, 20142:46 am
    by grizz3741

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    Line ups are one thing.. And it is a good point by Tim that it is NOT the starting line up that should have the Pistons worried .. That is why I have to follow that up by saying that the real problem is the system which Cheeks is having the team run .. Most of the time it is 1 on 1 garbage .. And that is why .. when in the 4th quarter .. when teams turn up the pressure as high they can .. that is the kind of style that does not work unless you have an ALPHA STAR like Kevin Durrant or Lebron James on your team. Hence our team falls apart in the 4th quarter …
     
    Especially liked the point by Tim that Brandon Jennings looks more interested in padding his stat line with assists than running an offense .. Perhaps likely that is because we don’t run a system worth a darn . just players playing real loose … looking to run .. all good on that but far too often 1 on 1 in half-court ..

    • Jan 27, 20144:26 am
      by Dacata

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      Griz, if you watch OKC they barely run any plays at all, they just run everything through Durant and let him roll. Cheeks being an assistant at OKC is doing the same thing here, but hello McFly, we don’t have Durant to take his guy one on one each time down the floor.

      • Jan 27, 20146:00 am
        by grizz3741

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        Dacatta ….Agreed … It just kills me when I see everyone standing around .. No moving the ball .. no players moving .. That will kill you in the 4th quarter especially and it is .. Wish we had KD, Jackson, Adams and Lambs …

  • Jan 27, 20142:47 am
    by grizz3741

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    ..my bad… give my kudos in my post to Brad Fredericksen .. Too many good Tim articles lately I guess ..

  • Jan 27, 20142:50 am
    by domnick

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    i believe the real definition of a Head Coach is to get wins… utilize players… give them good positions.. give them morale, give them the chance to succeed… but none of these happened right now… we lost alot! 17-27! something must be DONE!
     
    im not happy right now! why do we have to play like this every game!

  • Jan 27, 20144:21 am
    by Dacata

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    Do nothing if there is no trade that makes us better in the future. Accept that we blew it with the current roster assembled by DUMBARS. Time to clean house Smith and Jennings, but Smith goes first. Tank the rest of the way to keep our 2014 pick ala Golden State in 2011. Must keep the pick, forget the playoffs. The pick/player is at least another valuable asset we can use in any trade. That would be the smart thing to do, not sure if a Dumars is that smart though considering his contract is up this season.

  • Jan 27, 20144:36 am
    by jerrific

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    Once again, shot distribution.  How is it Monroe only recieved 13 shots when he was having his way out there tonight?  Also, when Singler logs in more minutes than either Drummond or Monroe I think we could officially call this a tank job.  

    • Jan 27, 20146:02 am
      by Dacata

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      Because we have two guys in Jennings and Josh playing hero ball, ie dominating the ball and shots. Neither are efficient scores they both shoot a bad FG on jump shots.  Give more shots to efficient scorers such as Moose and deal away the trash like Toronto did with Rudy Gay and we might start winning – but it’s a little late for that now.

      • Jan 27, 20148:27 am
        by jerrific

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        I agree, I just don’t understand why cheeks doesn’t have a gameplan that demands monroe gets the ball more. If he doesn’t have one then he’s an idiot, if he does then he needs to start benching smennings whenever they refuse to run through monroe. Monroe may not be the most efficient scorer, but he is by far this teams best scorer, I don’t understand why he’s not featured more prominently.  

      • Jan 27, 201410:40 am
        by JYD for Life

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        Totally agree with you guys…It’s simple math.  When you have Smith taking 24 shots, it’s pretty obvious that Drummond and Monroe will not get as many touches as they should.  
        Drummond checked out 3 minutes into the game last night after they ran a play for Monroe on three straight possessions.  Then, Smith got jumper happy and threw up two horrific shots.  For some reason, they decided to force feed Smith in the post after that and you could see Drummond stewing.  
        Even with an incredibly limited post game, Dre needs touches out of the post.  It’s ridiculous to think that he will continue to get better if they’re not giving him the opportunity to.  Our shoot-first PG and a ball-dominant forward like Smith are totally killing the development of Drummond and Monroe.  

  • Jan 27, 20146:43 am
    by gmehl

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    Am I the only one that noticed that if we shot a little better from the free throw line we could’ve maybe won this game. It’s not just this game but almost everyone one where we’ve shot miserably from the stripe. Also in saying that I see that we are on par to be the WORST free throw shooting team of all time…how embarrassing :-(

    • Jan 27, 20148:28 am
      by jerrific

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      That’s what happens when your starting lineup features three bigs that can’t shoot.

  • Jan 27, 20146:53 am
    by I HATE LOSING (Predicting A Strong Finish)

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    We are doing thing that undercover tanking teams do….i just think a decision was made..
    I can see the pistons moving Josh Smith in a way deal…maybe with Houston or Boston that lands us Young pieces like Terrance Jones or Kelly.
    No top FA will ever sigh with the Pistons for awhile…all we have is the draft and trades

    • Jan 27, 20147:49 am
      by Huddy

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      I think the biggest red flag is the minutes Harrelson was getting while Monroe say having a good game.

      • Jan 27, 201410:43 am
        by jerrific

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        Don’t forget Singler getting more minutes than either Monroe or Drummond.

  • Jan 27, 20148:28 am
    by anacaniwelk

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    Andre “Mr. Invisible” Drummond was useless again.  The guy can’t play defense, can’t block shots like he should, has no offensive skills.  If some gm is still buying any hype left on this guy Dumars should move him.  Drummond for Jabari….make it happen Joe.

    • Jan 27, 20149:14 am
      by Huddy

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      The kids comings off a 20 and 20 game and 10 double doubles in a row.  I don’t like specific player comparisons much, but Howard wasn’t blocking more than 2 shots a game until 5 seasons in to his career. Drummond is currently 8th in the league in blocks and 20 years old.  There’s only 7 plauers in the league blocking more shots, most aren’t blocking considerably more, and only Davis is likely to get any better like Drummond Is.  He’s got defensive awareness issues, but that comes with time as do hook shots and a diversified post game.  Every GM would buy into his hype, Dumars would be a fool to move him for almost anything besides impossible transactions involving top level superstars that aren’t being traded.
       
      Jabari Parker is unlikely to even be in the draft anymore.

      • Jan 27, 201410:21 am
        by anacaniwelk

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        Huddy, good grief. You are so drunk on Mr. Invisible it’s affected your objectivity. Drummond doesn’t have offensive TALENT.  You have or you don’t.  Players are what they are when they come into the league. Drummond can rebound.  Whoopdee frickn do.  He is BAD at everything else. Drummond is as big as reason as anyone on the Pistons as to why they can’t win. Drummond doesn’t have the talent to turn this team around. No amount of “hard work” is gonna change that.

        • Jan 27, 201410:44 am
          by Huddy

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          Yes you are right no one ever develops post moves, refines their shot, or gets better at anything in the NBA…you must watch a lot of basketball.
           
          have you read anything from any sports writers about Drummonds lack of ability or potential?  Or are you just the only person that has been granted this knowledge of the future?

          • Jan 27, 201410:54 am
            by JYD for Life

            He’s not going to develop with Smith jacking 24 shots a night and trying to get Monroe 15 shots.  There just aren’t enough touches to go around.  It’s not that these guys are playing out of position (like we’ve heard all season).  
            How is Drummond going to get better if they don’t let him?  He talked about learning how to guard Dwight Howard, but he didn’t learn anything about how Dwight Howard guarded him because he didn’t have to. 
            The team is flawed, but it’s certainly not because Drummond is limited.  I agree that maybe he’s not going to turn into a superstar, but there’s nothing aside from the free throw shooting (which he needs to fix) that says he can’t eventually average 18 points per game.  He’s got decent hands and is big enough to get wherever he wants in the post.  

        • Jan 27, 201410:47 am
          by JYD for Life

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          Last time I checked, the most efficient defenses in the league really stress a team concept.  It’s not easy to learn, but requires all five guys to play some semblance of defense.  
          We don’t have that and it starts on the perimeter with Jennings.  He has no interest whatsoever in playing D.  He’s happy to gamble and get two steals per game, but everything breaks down when his guy blows by him or he fails to fight around or through a pick.  
          Drummond (and Monroe) look a lot worse defensively because they’re always scrambling.  
          Look at Chicago when they’re healthy.  Rose is not an elite defender and Boozer is widely considered a matador.  They make up for it by being in the right position and by having a few elite defenders at their other positions (Noah, Butler/used to be Bogans and Deng when he was there).  
          It takes time and intense coaching, but it can happen…just not with this group.  Drummond and Monroe are not the problem though.  

          • Jan 27, 201412:47 pm
            by Max

            This is exactly right JYD. It all starts with Jennings allowing penetration. Drummond or Monroe has to come over to help and everything falls apart. And when Drummond comes to help, he had to decide if he wants to protect the rim and possibly get into foul trouble and sit for long periods of time, or give up a layup. The poor defense and Drummond’s lack of development as a rim protector is due to Jennings’ terrible on ball defense in my opinion.

        • Jan 27, 201410:56 am
          by jerrific

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          Wow, you get points for originality. I don’t think I’ve read anyone with that opinion on Drummond. Even assuming you’re thesis that players are what they are when they come into the league is true (which is flawed, drastic improvement might not be the precedent, but it can happen), do you really see no use for a player who is already one of the best rebounding and shot blocking big men in the league? It’s not like teams have never been been successful with defensive specialists before, Ben Wallace and Tyson Chandler both played huge roles on championship teams.  Granted Drummond doesn’t have the saavy of those two, but again,  he’s only twenty. Even incremental improvement in his defensive iq would turn Drummond from just a freak athlete to an elite defensive big man. 

        • Jan 27, 201411:00 am
          by JYD for Life

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          @anicaniwelk – how do you know he doesn’t have offensive talent?  When have you seen them run a play for him or dump it down to him in the post?  Very rarely.  
          He’s got a soft touch and while I don’t believe he will ever develop a jump shot, the guy is 6’10” and 280 pounds…he doesn’t need one…yet.  
          It takes time.  He’s 20 years old and missed a large portion of last season with the back injury.  

        • Jan 27, 20145:54 pm
          by Jon

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          you know your post is laughable when I can’t even tell if you’re joking or not

    • Jan 27, 20149:39 am
      by zdh

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      what is this i dont even

    • Jan 27, 201412:50 pm
      by kevin s.

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      No offensive skills? Other than being the best offensive rebounder in the game? Was his 20-20 the other night invisible? Put backs are a hug part of the offensive game for big men.
      And maybe he wouldn’t be so invisible if the Jith did chuck 42 shots, and if he weren’t held to 26 minutes because our coach is a moron. 

    • Jan 27, 20143:20 pm
      by JYD for Life

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      Perfect timing…it takes a team to defend…also points out why you don’t sign a guy like Josh Smith when your core is young and impressionable… 
      “I’ll be honest with you, and I really want to put Chicago behind me, but me and Joakim (Noah) weren’t so nice to each other on the court if one of us didn’t play hard,” Deng said. “And it made us better friends, and play harder. The same with Derrick (Rose). We knew when Derrick didn’t play defense. As good as he is, even his MVP year, if he didn’t play defense, we all said, ‘Yo, you’re not playing defense. You’ve got to step it up.’
      “I think guys here are young, but I think they’ll realize that you’re only as good as the guy next to you. It’s never personal. I’ve never had an issue with a guy telling me I’m not giving it my all on the court. My first 2-3 years in the league, did I know this stuff? No. But I had good vets who did the stuff I’m trying to do now, and it paid off for me. That’s what I’m trying to do now.”
       

  • Jan 27, 201410:18 am
    by Dave

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    Not sure if anyone else watched the Dallas broadcast of the game on the league pass, but their color analyst had us scouted perfectly. Pointed out that our fourth quarter woes are because each possession we just rotate which guy we’re going to isolate and let them take a bad shot. No team basketball at all. Thought he was one of the better analysts I’ve heard.

    • Jan 27, 201412:07 pm
      by jamesjones_det

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      I’ve been saying this for weeks but a lot of people on here only want to trade away half the team every week and then act like it’s as easy as calling a GM and saying give me this and I give you that and they are all open to it…

    • Jan 27, 20141:36 pm
      by Vic

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      Everybodys been saying that, it’s easy to see their game plan is deplorable and they are easily outsmarted due to Joe being an anti IQ brawns & talent over brains & talent GM that thought it was ok to bring a low-IQ coach, point guard, and small forward all in ONE SUMMER

      • Jan 27, 20142:10 pm
        by Jerrific

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        *power forward 
        we have one small forward on our team (singler), and he’s a solid role player at best. 

  • Jan 27, 201411:28 am
    by LT

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    are the Pistons tanking?

    • Jan 27, 201412:48 pm
      by mshansky

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      Whether they are tanking or not, we have reached the point in this failure of a season when i am wondering if players will not want to give up their bodies for a victory or two and risk injury. Oh yeah, they haven’t done that all season……not sure which is worse, the lack of any identity defensively and offensively, the team’s disinterest in playing hard for an entire game, or how unwatchable this team is…
      The lack of interest on the court is matched by the management’s apparent disinterest in fixing any of the problems….as fan apathy increases exponentially…..

      • Jan 27, 20145:10 pm
        by Parsons

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        We suck so bad people think its on purpose. Ugh. This season seems more soap opra than NBA season. Reminds me of the Kuester/Curry years.

  • Jan 27, 201411:50 am
    by Smitty

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    Jose Calderon says the Pistons never made him an offer to re-sign with the team this summer, observes Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free-Press“They were in contact with me, but I think they were waiting for Josh Smith, so I was just waiting and waiting, and Dallas came with a great offer … I couldn’t say no to that,” Calderon said.

    What a joke, couldn’t even make him an offer.

  • Jan 27, 20141:50 pm
    by Jon from Ferndale

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    I wanted to put this out there.  If Joe D doesn’t come back next year.  Which I for one will be a bit sad because there’s and emotional attachment there.  I wanted to throw out a few names for replacements and find out what you guys think.  Doug Collins, Steve Kerr, Jeff Van Gundy.

    • Jan 27, 20142:36 pm
      by edt

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      Sympathy for joe d?   I am at the point where I would feed him to alligators laughing.  Ok I might regret it later, but for now I am done with Joe I want him gone instantly and forever.

    • Jan 27, 20142:46 pm
      by jamesjones_det

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      I could see Kerr/Collins maybe but absolutely NO on Van Gundy I’ve always thought he was a bafoon when it comes to basketball, his commentary on broadcasts only makes me think he’s a bigger bafoon than I thought before.  
       
      However at this point I would take special K in the front office over Joe, these last two FA signings and these horribly unbalanced teams just makes me feel like he’s shooting from the hip instead of thinking these things through most of the time.
       
      For fun I’ll throw some more names out The Jet, George Karl or go local with BJ Armstrong or PJ Brown.

      • Jan 27, 20143:45 pm
        by Jon from Ferndale

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        I like George Karl as well.  He was great in Denver for all those years.  My only concern with him would be his health. I think Steve Kerr would be the best fit though.  He came up under Pop and Phil.  But man, I think I’d rather have George Karl as a head coach if he’d be willing to come to Detroit.

        • Jan 27, 20143:55 pm
          by jamesjones_det

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          I like Kerr when the talks bball, he might be good at that spot.  One other person I just thought of is Reggie Miller, he seems to know his players fairly well.  I’m with you on Karl too, but I doubt he would come here but we could get lucky.

    • Jan 27, 20146:05 pm
      by Jon

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      anyone on Presti’s or Morey’s staff.

    • Jan 27, 20146:23 pm
      by oats

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      Chances are good that the smart hire will be someone whose name we don’t know. Front office types are often pretty anonymous until they get hired as GMs. The odds are good there is someone smart and ready for a bigger role working under Presti, Morey, Buford, or Bird. Heck, there might be someone in house who isn’t getting listened to enough for all we know. I did think Kerr did a pretty good job dealing with the priorities set by a really bad owner. I’m skeptical about Collins because he really likes running a team built around the mid range jumper. Van Gundy is a pretty smart guy, but I’m not convinced he’s really a GM type.

      • Jan 27, 20146:45 pm
        by Jon

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        completely agree. I’ll be happy if I don’t know the next GM’s name

      • Jan 27, 20147:14 pm
        by JYD for Life

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        I’m going to disagree about the Presti thing.  While he’s done ok, I don’t think it is him as much as it is having one of the top two players in the league.  
        Look at what LeBron did in Cleveland alone and in spite of the garbage Ferry put around him.  
        Presti giving Kendrick Perkins a hefty deal and trading Harden for role players doesn’t necessarily make him a genius in my book.  
        Kerr is intelligent and seems to deserve another shot…although that was a huge mess in Phoenix (yes, you can blame a meddling owner and you wouldn’t have that in Detroit).  
        Collins is a brilliant basketball mind and develops young players.  I’d be comfortable seeing him in a role as maybe your President of Bball Ops and then hiring a strong GM from under one of the aforementioned guys (Buford, Bird/Walsh, Morey).  

        • Jan 27, 20147:54 pm
          by oats

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          I think Presti has made mistakes. It is really obvious that he has. I also understand where they came from. He was worried about Dwight and Bynum and wanted Perkins to defend him as well as be the guy with a championship pedigree to help with the young guys. That makes some sense. He’s also dealing with secretly cheap owners. They obviously should have amnestied Perkins but they didn’t. The Harden thing was also a big mistake that was largely about making a statement. He got Westbrook to take less than a max deal and he thought it was important for Harden to do so as well. It was largely a symbolic thing, about him being willing to sacrifice himself for the benefit of the team. It seems silly to me, but it was about sending a message as much as it was about what the team could afford. I’m not trying to absolve him of that trade. It was a really bad trade. Still, I appreciate that the mistake came from him having a clear idea of how he wants to run his team as opposed to the rudderless mess that Detroit appears to be.
           
          Presti’s front office clearly has an eye for talent, even if the KD pick was the most obvious thing ever. There was a lot of skepticism about Westbrook as a PG, and no one had Harden rated that high. The Ibaka pick was fantastic. Reggie Jackson also looks really good for where he was taken. He identified Jeremy Lamb as a potential piece, and the Steven Adams pick is also looking good. I even rather like what he’s gotten from guys like Thabo Sefolosha and Nick Collison. There is almost certainly someone really smart working for that team that recognized the talent in a few of those guys, and that person could be a good GM candidate.

          • Jan 28, 201410:54 am
            by JYD for Life

            @oats – I’ll give you that…At least there was logic behind each move he made and they do draft extremely well for the most part.  Point well taken and I wouldn’t have a problem with them bringing on a Presti guy.  Every GM is going to make mistakes though and I do think people have been deservedly critical of Dumars, but maybe overly critical at times.  
             
            It’s past the point where something needs to be done here.  While the solution probably isn’t to send Joe packing mid-season, I do think relinquishing his decision-making responsibilities is the way to go.  Cleaning house underneath him and making him a figurehead might be the best route this summer.  
             
            Each of those organizations with potential candidates (aside from OKC) celebrates their history.  That might be what Chauncey is here for, but in no way is he ready to be a GM. Severing all ties with Joe (as many on this site suggest) might be shortsighted.  
             
             
             
             
             
             

  • Jan 27, 20142:45 pm
    by Pistons moribund

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    Lost interest.  Dont even want to watch the games anymore.  Wasted league pass, anyone want my password?  Prediction for the season.  Max contract for Bullwinkle, lose draft pick.  At least there will be no more JD or Mo.  maybe?  I dreamed a dream and now that dream is gone.  Mr.D is turning over in his grave. 

    • Jan 27, 20144:12 pm
      by gmehl

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      I’m right there with you man. I invested in league pass too and I feel like an idiot for purchasing it. If only I was a bandwagon fan it would be worth it.

  • Jan 27, 20144:21 pm
    by DetroitP

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    Nothing new to say………. Trade or were done.  Gotta be bull winkle.  Hope we play it close to 8th seed so when trade does happen we get in.   The pick is gonna be lost regardless.  Joes gonna trade he knows he’s on thin ice.

    • Jan 27, 20144:32 pm
      by Jon from Ferndale

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      I just feel like we need to trade either Josh Smith or Greg Monroe.  I lean more towards trading Monroe because he said he needs the ball in his hands to get it going.  I’m all for Monroe being a great role player, but if I’m the coach I’m not stalling my offense by putting the ball in his hands all the time for him to find his shot.  There’s few Power Forwards in the league that I would trust with that role.  Also, Monroe hasn’t excelled in the PF position thus far.  I think he’s more of a center than a power forward.  He might be better fit for another team.  Then we can move Smith over to the 4.  Or trade Smith as well.  As of right now.  Here’s my dream changes for the Pistons.
      GM: Steve Kerr
      Coach: George Karl
      C: Drummond
      PF: Kevin Love
      SF: Nicolas Batum
      SG: KCP
      PG: Brandon Jennings
      Castles in the sky…I know.  lol.

      • Jan 27, 20146:49 pm
        by T Casey

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        Steve Kerr as GM? The same guy who thought an old, over the hill Shaq was a good fit for the Phoenix Suns and lost his job after like 2 years? There have to be better options available.

      • Jan 27, 20146:50 pm
        by oats

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        It shouldn’t stall the offense by putting the ball in Monroe’s hands. He’s one of the best passing big men in basketball. In fact, that was kind of the basis for how he was used in college. Georgetown often got their big men one of the first couple passes, but they often had about 5 passes before the team took a shot. Monroe shouldn’t be a ball stopper if he is used right, but for whatever reason Detroit never hires a coach that cares about ball movement or players moving without the ball.
         
        As for Monroe’s time at the 4, keep in mind that the vast majority of Monroe’s minutes are with Smith at the 3. That’s clearly a problem because Smith is a terrible SF on both sides of the court.
         
        As for your dream scenario, it’s kind of confusing. This team clearly doesn’t have the assets to land both Batum and Love. If it being unrealistic doesn’t stop you, why not go all the way with a team that is just ridiculous? It feels like sitting on the fence to me. Either go with something that is actually possible or go all out by making it look like an Olympic roster.

        • Jan 27, 20149:19 pm
          by gmehl

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          “Monroe shouldn’t be a ball stopper if he is used right”
           
          I did notice Monroe hit I think Singler and someone else with nice passes down low after receiving the ball directly off inbounds plays. The problem we have most of time is players are standing around flat footed due to us running so many iso plays. I am not singling out any players as I’ve noticed all of them ball watching at sometime or another. I think it comes down to the coaching.

          • Jan 27, 201411:54 pm
            by oats

            I agree that it’s mostly coaching. Kyle Singler does a good job moving without the ball despite how the team is coached, probably because movement is such a big priority at Duke. He’s clearly the smartest player on the team at knowing where to be at any given time. No one else really seems to understand when to make a cut or when to move out to spot up. It’s clearly not something that Cheeks cares about.

          • Jan 28, 20142:21 am
            by gmehl

            Yeah Singler doesn’t get any credit for those little things that a good basketballer should just do by the time your in the NBA. All season long he is always the first person up the floor in a fast break situation. Unfortunately with the one and done players of today those little fundamentals aren’t always absorbed which is why guys like Singler will always have a place in the NBA.

  • Jan 27, 20144:22 pm
    by DetroitP

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    Have to wait for deadline, I don’t think sign and trade will work because too much on this season

  • Jan 27, 20145:26 pm
    by Parsons

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    “Steve Kyler: Only thing I am hearing is MASSIVE denials about moving Greg Monroe. So I read that as Greg Monroe better pack.”

    Times up Dumars Cheeks has lost this team. A trade now won’t save the season. Halfway through and everyone hates Cheeks. 2 or 3 new players won’t change that. Cheeks is still a moron and our players still hate him. Smith and Jennings will still shoot 50 times a game and Jennings’ turn, Smith’s turn will still be our 4th quarter strategy. A major overhaul too big for the middle of the year is needed. Sorry to be a downer but we’ve been so stuck on “sample sizes” so long we failed to see that it won’t work and now theres turmoil. I’ve hated when people bring up “but its a small sample size”. Commonsense will usually prove to be a more affective strategy. Waiting just put us in bad position.

  • Jan 27, 20148:37 pm
    by anacaniwelk

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    Chauncey Billups is going to be the next Pistons gm.
    I’ll say this for Joe….you hired the wrong coach again. I don’t like to kick anyone when they’re down but Cheeks…uh…it’s not good. I like to kick the underserved hype….aka. Drummond.  If some of you continue to give him false praise, I will bash bash bash bash away at him until you understand how limited he is.
     
     
     

    • Jan 27, 201411:28 pm
      by Jon

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      That’ll probably change everyone’s minds. Most people on this board are very realistic about what he is: the best rebounder in the league, good hands, freak athlete, unlimited defensive potential, clueless for now on defense, and lacking offensive game for now but again the potential is there. Your analysis of him meanwhile is, ‘Look at his free throws. Hey he sucks at free throws. Did i mention he can’t make free throws?’

    • Jan 27, 201411:41 pm
      by Brigs

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      He is limited because he’s 20 years old. Look no one is saying he’s the best center in the league but he has tremendous potential and hes already pretty good. I would bet you w.e u want that he will be a top notch defender in 2-3 years

    • Jan 28, 201412:26 am
      by Parsons

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      So he’s a flawed 20 year old… find me a 20 year old NBA player that isn’t. What, do you want to trade our best player? Even flawed I’d take him over every other player on this team. Hes a project. Right out of the draft we knew he had flaws but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad player. Drummond has done everything we could have asked. He’s a great rebounder and shot blocker, his defense is getting better even though he has to guard his man and everyone else’s when they lose their assignment. I don’t know what more this kid can do to impress you but I think he deserves every bit of this hype. The dude is invited to the olympic tryouts obviously he’s doing something right even in spite of Cheeks. He’s going to have bad games and bad stretches thats the nature of being 20. You just have to let him learn and be patient.

    • Jan 28, 201412:26 am
      by Smitty

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      Drummond is our best player right now. His free throw shooting is improving. His D could be better but this whole team is bad on D.

    • Jan 28, 20142:25 am
      by gmehl

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      I don’t know why you guys bother replying to such an idiotic comment. Seriously trading Drummond. There’s and old saying ‘you can’t argue with idiots’.

  • Jan 28, 20149:47 am
    by James

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    This team has literally brought back the level of ineptitude we used to see in the blue and teal era. WHERE IS DON REID AND GRANT HILL WHEN YOU NEED THEM!!!!!

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