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Pistons beat Wizards, pushing them from 9th to 7th in the East

Detroit Pistons 104 Final

Recap | Box Score

98 Washington Wizards
Greg Monroe, PF Shot Chart 31 MIN | 5-7 FG | 2-5 FT | 10 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 12 PTS | 0Monroe played a solid game. But he never felt like a difference maker in this one.

Josh Smith, SF Shot Chart 35 MIN | 8-17 FG | 6-10 FT | 8 REB | 1 AST | 2 STL | 1 BLK | 4 TO | 22 PTS | -5Smith was the tale of two halves. He was 0-6 for 2 points in the first as the Pistons looked like they were probably going to let another opportunity slip away. Then he came roaring back in the second with 20 points on 8-11 shooting. It was still terrible shot selection, but he was knocking them down.

Andre Drummond, C Shot Chart 27 MIN | 5-6 FG | 0-2 FT | 13 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 10 PTS | -2Drummond was once again crashing the boards like a monster and scoring very efficiently. And the fourth foul he picked up was totally bogus. But in spite of the fact that Cheeks (presumably) knew that he wouldn’t trot Dre out down the stretch, he still pulled Drummond early–again. I gotta mark Andre down, though, for failing to register a single block or steal all game.

Brandon Jennings, PG Shot Chart 32 MIN | 4-13 FG | 3-4 FT | 2 REB | 8 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 14 PTS | -6Jennings missed a lot of shots and was useless on Wall, but he still got 14 points on 13 shots (below average, but not bad) and took back the ball for every time he gave it away. If Wall hadn’t dropped 34, I’d call it a good performance.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG Shot Chart 41 MIN | 2-10 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | +10KCP, what to do with you? You shut down Beal. He was worse than useless for the Wiz. But offensively, you were a liability as well. I guess I would expect a bigger game from Beal than from Caldwell-Pope, so the fact that they were both dreadful is a net plus.

Kyle Singler, SF Shot Chart 22 MIN | 5-6 FG | 2-4 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 14 PTS | +21Singler didn’t get much burn in the second half, so, by game’s end, he was easy to forget. But he was the only Pistons really stepping up in the first half. And his incredible hustle and good shooting in that period meant there was a relatively small hole for Smith, Stuckey, and Drummond to dig out of in the second.

Will Bynum, PG Shot Chart 20 MIN | 3-7 FG | 1-1 FT | 2 REB | 6 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 7 PTS | +3Bynum didn’t hugely move the needle in either direction. But I love watching him play with Drummond. His oop off the backboard was awesome.

Rodney Stuckey, SG Shot Chart 31 MIN | 8-15 FG | 4-5 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 20 PTS | +9Stuckey’s scoring has been better this season than any prior year. But the rest of his contributions have tailed off. This game was exemplary of those facts. But in his current role as the scoring combo guard off the bench, what Stuckey is giving the Pistons is exactly what they need from him.

Maurice Cheeks
Cheeks is playing the rotations like he said he would. All three of Detroit’s bigs start, but once one of Monroe/Drummond leaves the game, they just sub in and out for each other. That’s probably better than his early season rotations, but still leaves something to be desired.

What really leaves something to be desired is his perplexing tendency to pull really anyone, but especially Drummond when they are barely in foul trouble. Let ‘em play Cheeks, especially Dre who won’t be closing out most contests anyway.

119 Comments

  • Jan 18, 201410:23 pm
    by Vic

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    I’m done with the ups and downs for this team. I want to see evidence of education, consistency:
    - Stop spotting the other team 3 pointers
    - Less 3s for Smith
    - Jennings feeding Drumroe in the halfcourt
    - a defensive philosophy that works

    • Jan 18, 201410:26 pm
      by Vic

      Reply

      - and more hockey assists, and crosscourt passes in a half court setting

    • Jan 19, 20143:29 am
      by Brandon Knight

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      I am with moving Jennings 100% NOW NOW NOW. I watched and I watched and I watched, but you know what enough is enough.
      His defense is just pain in the ass. Seriously, this guy can’t defend for his life. He is so weak, it is not even funny. Like literally any PG in the league can get past him with ease. 
      If you think about it, his bad defense is what making us look shitty on defense. Once the PG gets past him, you know what happens>>> Either the PG gets an open lane to the Basket, or the PG dishes it to an open shooter on the wing while the defense is still recovering
      Seriously this is all I see when I watch the Pistons on defense:
      PG with ball in his hands penetrating and scoring, or PG with ball in his hands Penetrating and Dishing.
      I agree 100% with Nick on his analysis on Brandon Jennings defense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnHndbNPYi0

      • Jan 19, 20144:36 am
        by Brandon Knight

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        @Smitty I love this trade  Greg Monore and Jennings for Rondo and Onlynk.
        http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o93q473
        Pistons: 
        PG Rondo 
        SG KCP
        SF Singler
        PF Smith
        C Drummond
         
        Celtics:
        PG Jennings
        SG Avery Bradley 
        SF Jeff Green
        PF Sullinger
        C Greg Monroe 
         
        As you see it would greatly help both teams. 
         

        • Jan 19, 20148:30 am
          by sebastian

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          Rondo would be the point guard that could level this Pistons team off. When Rondo is on the floor with Stuckey, you have to see the both of those guys playing well together.
          Before you say neither one can shoot, mark this down Rondo post-injury knee injury will be a PG that will shoot more three’s and by repetition will get better. Also will want to become respectable and respected from the arc so that he can still get away with his dribble drive game.
          But, yeah, Rondo would help to make guys like Elmer’s Singler more consistent. He would get into Josh’s ass, and thus a more consistent Smith. Oh, and the easy looks he would get for Dre.
          Now, KCP can come off screens, like Rip use to, creating more weak side action.
          Olynkc would be that guy, who teams wouldn’t be able to game plan for. Giving US 12 and 8 just picking up the garbage.
          I also believe that Ainge sees a huge benefit with pairing Moose with Green. They believe that they may be in position to draft the player of their choice and Brandon Jennings an dribble better than Bradley and Pressey.
          Also, I believe that Moose would be a player that the Celtics will target in free agency, and if they are planning to target Moose in free agency that they (the Celtics) would be in a better position with Moose already on the roster, owner’s of Moose’s Bird Rights.
          If they are to go after Moose in July, it would be better that they already have him on their roster. A trade of this sort has to be discussed.
          Rondo could help rescue OUR season.

          • Jan 19, 20149:22 am
            by PistonFanSinceDay1

            Rondo can’t shot, that’s the biggest reason he’ll be a bad fit for this team. Jennings indeed needs to improve his defense(very good point @Brandon Knight), but that’s going to come with putting muscle on his frame. If we had a SG and SF who could light it up from the perimeter then Rondo would fit.

          • Jan 19, 201410:02 am
            by Smitty

            We could add another SF with some cap space in the offseason. Who knows maybe rondo worked on his shot. I just think that the Celtics want to trade Rondo and Joe D wants to trade for Rondo and this gets it done. Rondo > Monroe. We have Harrelson and Olynyk off the bench. This team could contend. We get a year and a half of Rondo and if it doesn’t work then see ya later.

          • Jan 19, 20142:57 pm
            by jerrific

            @PistonsFanSinceDay1, nitpicking Rondo’s shooting ability is completely redundant considering how aweful Jennings’ shooting is. There’s no arguing that he would make this team better.  

          • Jan 19, 20143:00 pm
            by jerrific

            Even if he weren’t an upgrade at the offensive end (which he is), he is a huge upgrade simply because he is so much better defensively.

          • Jan 19, 20143:31 pm
            by frankie d

            jennings’ defensive problems have very little to do with his slight build.  while it puts him at a disadvantage, often, his main problem is that he just does not put forth a legitimate effort most times.  his lack of effort on most plays is shocking.  in fact, it is hard to believe that any nba coach would tolerate that kind of lackadaisical approach, defensively.
            i’ve seen point guards play bad defense at times, defense as bad as jennings’.  but i have never seen a PG consistently give such a poor effort at the fundamentals of playing his position defensively.  there have been times where he has literally stood rooted to the floor as an offensive player moves around him, and he literally does not move his feet.
            when fans talk about jennings being an upgrade over knight, they completely ignore the defensive end.  imho, trading knight for jennings at the PG spot has been a net negative.  and knight was a horrible offensive point guard.  but he was turning into a pretty good defender at the position.  trading that kind of defender for one who actually creates huge problems for the team defensively, because of his extremely poor play, is just not balanced out because of jennings’ superior passing abilities.
             

        • Jan 19, 20141:19 pm
          by jamesjones_det

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          Yawn… Call me when Rondo is at least 10 games in this season without an all-star roster…
           
          Also Rondo does nothing to fix this teams outside shooting woes, your talking about a guy who shoots like JS from the perimeter (unless JS plays the wizards apparently).

          • Jan 19, 20143:01 pm
            by jerrific

            Jennings is no better as a shooter than Rondo. 

          • Jan 19, 20144:53 pm
            by mikeyMike

            Then why trade for him?  I’ve watched Rando for a long time, he’s not that much better of a passer and he’s not a better shooter.  He’s a better defender but that’s about it and it’s not like Rondo’s d is game changing.
             
            There are better positions to upgrade at this time, sure if Rondo is all you can get for Monroe than maybe but otherwise I would shop Monroe for something better.

          • Jan 19, 20145:08 pm
            by Brandon Knight

            @mikeyMike
            Idk what you have been watching…but I know the following for sure:
            Rondo is a better passer.
            Rondo is not a volume shooter but he converts 48% of his shots. Pretty good for PG. And way better than 37%. (Jennings)
            Rondo is one of the best defensive point guards in the leauge!! if not the best.
            He is a game changer…dude do u watch basketball. 
             
             

          • Jan 19, 20145:23 pm
            by frankie d

            there is no comparison between rondo and jennings.  rondo is a much, much better player.
            defensively, it is no contest, as rondo is one of the best defensive PGs in the league, probably the best.
            jennings is simply the worst defensive PG in the league.  i’ve not seen anyone who is even in his league.  even a guy like calderone gives it a legit effort.  he just has the heavy legs of a 300 pound guard.  jennings has great quickness and speed, but just doesn’t try.
            offensively, rondo’s numbers are far superior to jennings.  by a long shot.
            while jennings is a much better 3 point shooter, his indiscriminate chucking almost negates whatever positive he brings in that regard.  at least rondo realizes his offensive limitations and plays within them.  he has a much higher FG %, a much lower usage rate, a much higher assist % and takes about 6 shots less a game.
            is jennings a better shooter?  i guess he might be if you were playing a game of HORSE.  but in an nba game, with every factor considered, i’d much rather rondo be my shooter than a loose cannon like jennings.

        • Jan 20, 20141:07 am
          by oats

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          Am I the only one that thinks Olynyk is kind of a bum? I mean, he doesn’t really do anything all that well. He’s got a bit of a jump shot, but it doesn’t extend to legitimate 3 point range. He’s a below average efficiency shooter for his position, and that’s his best skill. He’s an absolutely awful defensive player from what I’ve seen of him. I suspect he’s a guy that had decent numbers in one year of college ball playing in the WCC and got overrated as a result. I think he’s significantly worse than Harrelson on both sides of the ball, so I think he projects as a low end rotation piece. I’d rather just get a couple second round picks to be honest.
           
          As for Rondo, he’s both coming off an injury and has a contract that runs up after next year. That’s an awful lot of risk to assume with only Olynyk as your insurance for if Rondo decides to bolt. I’d be asking for Rondo and Bradley, and I suspect it’s Boston that turns that one down.

          • Jan 20, 20142:02 am
            by Brandon Knight

            @Oats It would be great if we get Bradley but I doubt Boston will trade him. 
             

          • Jan 20, 20144:22 am
            by oats

            I’d probably settle for Rondo and Sullinger. I’d start by asking for a second round pick on top of that, but if they refused I’d gamble on just Rondo and Sullinger. Detroit is taking all of the risk in one of these Rondo deals, and they need to have a plan B for in case Rondo gets hurt again or just bolts. The cap space after Rondo’s deal expires and Bradley is a solid plan B, although that’s still a net loss. The cap space and Sullinger is a solid plan B if Sullinger stays healthy. Admittedly if Sullinger gets hurt and Rondo leaves then that trade is just plain awful, but at least it has a second chance of paying off. The cap space and Olynyk just doesn’t cut it. .

  • Jan 18, 201410:24 pm
    by smitty

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    I think kcps d was great down the stretch.

  • Jan 18, 201410:46 pm
    by Nick N

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    Tonites game shows that Smith is better at pf. I don’t know if we should trade Monroe or not, but he needs to come off the bench. 

    • Jan 18, 201411:03 pm
      by jg22

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      Even off the bench he’s still going to be playing at least 20-25 mpg. Thats half the game we have to play with bad defense. We’ll never get anywhere like that. 
       
      One way players like Monroe are a microcosm of why a team is up/down and inconsistent in games and on the season. When you only can perform on one end, and then give it right back on the other, its the epitome of up/down. 
       
      I so badly want to watch a great Pistons defensive team again. I am convinced we will never reach that level again with Monroe on this roster. 

      • Jan 18, 201411:52 pm
        by Jerrific

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        What about Jennings’ inability to run an efficient offense, or have an efficient shooting night? Oh, also he’s as much as a sieve defensively as Monroe is. Monroe will never be a great defender, heck, he probably won’t everbe a good one. However, bad defenders can be hidden away in good defensive teams with good schemes. This teams defensive woes are largely based on poor coaching. Jennings’ play on the offensive end is far more cancerous to this team than Monroe’s defensive deficiencies. 

        • Jan 19, 201410:37 am
          by jg22

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          Jennings is just as bad on defense but he’s here for 2 more years. Monroe is not and can be dealt now. So he’s the easiest to trade first.
           
          I’d package both for Rondo if possible.

    • Jan 18, 201411:47 pm
      by Jerrific

      Reply

      Tonight’s game also solidified that Smith has no idea what the difference between a good shot and a bad shot is. He is a fine player, but no team is ever going to win games consistently with him as the featured offensive player. 

      • Jan 18, 201411:59 pm
        by Vic

        Reply

        Definitely agree there. 

      • Jan 19, 201412:17 am
        by Ryan

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        I couldn’t agree more which is why I wish we’d never signed his ass. He’s got to be your fifth option AT BEST otherwise it’s a disaster. I can’t believe we keep letting him take horrible shots.

  • Jan 18, 201410:58 pm
    by jg22

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    I look forward to the day Monroe is traded. He’s holding us back from being a good defense in my opinion. 
     
    We still have a lot of work to do even without him, but its a waste of time/energy to even try to become a great defense with him on the court. Its just never going to happen. Without him though, they can start the building process of developing a lineup into a great defense. 
     
    Very good and much needed win tonight. I just can’t help but feel like our potential is being limited by Monroe because he is preventing us from ever being a great D, and that is really why we are so inconsisent.

    • Jan 19, 20149:12 am
      by CZM

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      Monroe played very good one on one D against Nene last night.  It is Smith who makes our D bad.  He doesn;t like to stay with his guy.  He switches too much and doesn’t like to leave the paint to cover his man.  In other words he is very lazy and plays hard 1 out of every 5 games.

      • Jan 19, 20146:13 pm
        by jg22

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        You need to be able to do more than just defend the post at Center. You also have to protect the basket from penetrators and defend the pick and roll. He is only capable of doing one, and its not like he’s anything special guarding the post either. He’s a below average post defender at best. 
         
        And thats assuming he’s playing Center, which he only plays 10-20 min tops with Drummond here.
        At PF he’s incapable of providing anything on defense in any area. So he needs to be traded. There is just no way we can be a good defense with him.

        • Jan 20, 20141:35 am
          by oats

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          There are plenty of good defenses built with bad defenders. Carlos Boozer is a bad defensive player, and the Bulls are always good. Hell, the Magic had a top notch defense with Howard and 4 terrible defenders. It requires a scheme that does a decent job minimizing Monroe’s weaknesses and a few good defenders around him, but it is possible to have a good defense with him on the court.
           
          This team’s defensive problems are not just on Monroe by a long shot. The Jennings, Bynum, and Billups trio are all awful defenders. Stuckey is maybe average because he lacks focus on that side of the ball. KCP is the best perimeter defender, but he still makes a lot of rookie mistakes. Singler is the best defender at the 3 on the roster, and he’s not a good defensive player. Smith is a good defender at the 4, but he is bad defending most wing players. Drummond’s a really undisciplined young player that makes his share of mistakes. The problem is the team doesn’t have enough good defenders to make up for both Monroe and whoever happens to be playing PG.
           
          By the way, lineups that have KCP, Singler, Monroe, and only one of Smith or Drummond have been good defensively. The minutes for those lineups are pretty limited, so maybe it’s just an anomaly. Still, we have some evidence that suggests that this roster can play quality defense with Monroe on the court. Now let’s say that Drummond and KCP both become legitimately good defenders and not just good defenders for their age. On top of that the team adds another good defender soon. If that happens I don’t think it would be all that hard to play quality defense with Monroe on the team.

          • Jan 20, 20143:52 am
            by gmehl

            This is why you’d hope that Joe or Joe’s predecessor’s first call will be to Lionel Hollins. I mean fcuk it should’ve been Hollins who got the job in the first place.

  • Jan 18, 201411:18 pm
    by Nick N

    Reply

    @jg22 I agree with you about Monroe. If you are not gonna play defense atleast have some unstoppable offense.

    • Jan 19, 20142:11 am
      by tommy t

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      Wait… Smith doesn’t do either. If Monroe jacked up as many shots as Smith, he’d score more points.

      • Jan 19, 20146:14 pm
        by jg22

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        Smith brings WAY more on defense than Monroe and its not even a debate.

        • Jan 20, 20149:06 am
          by CZM

          Reply

          You mean smith has the potential to bring way more.  Unfortunately he doesn’t play good team defense, constantly roaming leaving his man is not good defense.  Smith trys for the flash plays and ends up forcing the other players to compensate for his lazy ass

          • Jan 20, 20149:34 am
            by jg22

            That’s an inaccurate assessment because you are judging his defense playing SF which is pointless. He’s a great team defender when in his natural position, which is where he will be once Monroe is traded. 
             
            At PF he can do everything you need a PF to do. He can defend the post, defend stretch 4s, defend the pick and roll, and protect the paint with shotblocking. 
             
            Monroe can’t do any of those things well, except occasionally doing a decent job defending the post, but that’s more the exception than the norm. He’s pretty bad defending the post too, lets be honest. He’s not putting any fear in any post players because of his post defense, or shutting anyone down in the post. 
             
            Has Monroe even ever had a game in his career yet, where you said afterwards, ‘man he shut that guy down on defense’? I don’t think its ever happened. So thats enough with the Monroe is a good post defender stuff in my opinion
             
             

  • Jan 18, 201411:44 pm
    by Jerrific

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    Drummroe: 10 for 13 from the field. Smennings: 12 for 30 from the field. Ugh. A win’s a win, but we won’t get many with shot distribution like that. Also, why the frick is KCP getting ten shots ahead of Drummroe’s 13? Seriously, this is maddening. It’s like Cheeks’ gameplan is specifically designed to get the lowest percentage shots possible. 

    • Jan 18, 201411:45 pm
      by Jerrific

      Reply

      Excuse me *KCP gets ten shots to Drummroe’s 13. 

      • Jan 19, 20141:54 am
        by PistonFanSinceDay1

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        KCP’s getting all those fricking shots because he’s probably open.

        • Jan 19, 20149:03 am
          by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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          Pope and Singler need to shoot those when they are open period
          … the Wizard paid for cheating off of Josh Smith because he knocked down his jumpers, but if we can ever get consistent 3 point shooting we can make a nice run down the stretch of the season

        • Jan 19, 20142:51 pm
          by jerrific

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          Doesn’t matter, it’s completely unacceptable that Monroe and Drummond only had 13 shots, especially considering how ridiculously efficient they were. There is no reason Monroe shouldnt have the most FGAs on our team on a nightly basis. Drummonds points come more circumstancually, so his attempts are understandable, but this coaching staffs, and the players, inability to recognize their most efficient offensive options is maddening.  

          • Jan 19, 20144:10 pm
            by jerrific

            To clarify, I have no problem with kcp taking ten shots, when he’s open he should shoot it. It. What bothers me is that Monroe and Drummond only had 13, I bought up kcp’s 10 only to illustrate that point, my apologies for any confusion. 

  • Jan 19, 201412:06 am
    by gmehl

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    “I gotta mark Andre down, though, for failing to register a single block or steal all game”
     
    Statistically speaking he might not have registered a steal but i feel the ball that he poked away from Wall midway through the 4th quarter swung the game to our advantage. Jennings ended up with the steal which was all due to Drummonds’s activeness on D. I suppose you’d call that a hockey steal.

    • Jan 19, 201412:11 am
      by Tim Thielke

      Reply

      Indeed you could. And I still gave him a pretty good grade.

  • Jan 19, 20141:14 am
    by smitty

    Reply

    Monroe and Jennings for Rondo plus Olynyk.

    • Jan 19, 20141:50 am
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

      Reply

      Dumas wouldn’t disrespect the Pistons like that. Come on Smitty, you know that.

  • Jan 19, 20141:23 am
    by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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    Good team win Pistons!..I’m glad Smith/Monroe/Drummond all played well tonight…

    • Jan 19, 20141:47 am
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      Yeah, hopefully this win will carry over to Monday’s game. We have a tough one against the Clippers.

      • Jan 19, 20142:24 pm
        by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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        I agree…

  • Jan 19, 20142:06 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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    Smith in the 2nd half took good looking shots…he was squared up, and the defenders were cheating off of him…or they were shots he could step into…
    Yesterday I said the Pistons have a better chance at become a better defensive team than offensive team if they play Jennings /Bynum PG stuckey SG and kcp /singlet at in the 2nd with Drummond and Smith anchoring the defense…we actually defended the 3 ball really well…
    Good win again a team that has been playing well…we’ve won 3 of the last 4 games in those wins Josh Smith has scored 20 or more…btw: we are no 8-3 when smith score 20pts this season

    • Jan 19, 20147:42 pm
      by Huddy

      Reply

      There’s that incredibly meaningful trend of yours again.  The team wins when one of the players who gets the most minutes scores a lot…that’s a revelation.  You can make a trend out of a lot of things, but  smith simply scoring 20 regardless of efficiency is not a key to the game.  It would be better for the team if he scored 16 and didn’t waste 5-6 possesions taking horrible shots.  he got 20 in this game taking shots he usually misses…that’s not a recipe for winning.

  • Jan 19, 20142:06 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

    Reply

    We are now

  • Jan 19, 20142:18 am
    by Brandon Knight

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    I didn’t watch the game, I was watching my boy Brandon Knight Ballin. 

  • Jan 19, 20143:29 am
    by Brandon Knight

    Reply

    I am with moving Jennings 100% NOW NOW NOW. I watched and I watched and I watched, but you know what enough is enough.
    His defense is just pain in the ass. Seriously, this guy can’t defend for his life. He is so weak, it is not even funny. Like literally any PG in the league can get past him with ease. 
    If you think about it, his bad defense is what making us look shitty on defense. Once the PG gets past him, you know what happens>>> Either the PG gets an open lane to the Basket, or the PG dishes it to an open shooter on the wing while the defense is still recovering
    Seriously this is all I see when I watch the Pistons on defense:
    PG with ball in his hands penetrating and scoring, or PG with ball in his hands Penetrating and Dishing.
    I agree 100% with Nick on his analysis on Brandon Jennings defense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnHndbNPYi0

  • Jan 19, 20145:02 am
    by Zdwtr

    Reply

    Get over it man. We’re 3 W in the last 4 games. Swag is our PG not BK 7. Hes playing for an even inferior team than pistons, of course BK7 gets his number

  • Jan 19, 20145:04 am
    by Zdwtr

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    Btw Swag got swagelicious 3 pointer to put the lead margin BIG. If you watched the game

  • Jan 19, 20148:16 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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    John Wall has been killing it…he is the best PG in the east…he did it against the bulls, heat….Jennings is a good fit….nut the best fit but he is a good fit

  • Jan 19, 20149:09 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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    Anyone else really like KCP at SF? 

    • Jan 19, 201410:08 am
      by Smitty

      Reply

      I liked that lineup at the end with stuck jennings kcp drummond and smith.

      • Jan 19, 20144:37 pm
        by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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        Notice the defense and how quick the rotations were…it forced the Wizard to go one on one…. I can live with John Wall dropping 30 if It means he is basically going iso
         
        Greg is the weak link

        • Jan 19, 20146:17 pm
          by jg22

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          Bingo.
           
          If you played a game of ‘one of these things is not like the other’ in terms of athleticism. Monroe is the odd man of the group. 

      • Jan 19, 20146:16 pm
        by jg22

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        YES!!
         
        The defense was so nice to watch. They finaly had the athleticism to rotate and recover in time.
         
        It was like where have you been all this time, you awesome defensive lineup you?? lol

    • Jan 19, 20141:24 pm
      by jamesjones_det

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      The line up that had him and singler on the floor at the same time did a lot to spreed the floor and was big in the first comeback.  However I doubt they will every go to that again since it showed promise twice in one game but one can hope.

    • Jan 20, 20141:42 am
      by oats

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      I think KCP can play the 3 in certain match ups, but if you just leave him there he will get exposed. He’s been pushed around by SGs, and SFs are much more physical on average. I think that’s something he will become better at doing eventually, but for now the team should be very cautious with him there.

  • Jan 19, 20149:24 am
    by MitchEPooh

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    This is the rotation I envisioned at the start of the season. Start the Big 3, sub out the first one in foul trouble or playing like crap, keep your choice of going big or small through the rest of the game. Stuckey off the bench works! Sit Jennings when needed.
    This was actually Mo’s best job of coaching this year. Notice we only went 8 deep.
    This team has pieces that need to be correctly utilized. Cheeks has not shown he could do that. Until tonight. Grade A

  • Jan 19, 20149:28 am
    by Ryank

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    Why is it that when the team wins, everyone averages 1-2 grades higher than if they lose?  This was a close game and if Washington would have pulled out the win with some clutch 3 point shooting at the end, it would be a lot of Ds all the way across…except Drummond who is the teacher’s pet.  
     
    Win by one point, good grades are handed out…lose by a point and bad ones are released.  A two point swing…  Objectivity is clearly lacking.

    • Jan 19, 201410:48 am
      by anacaniwelk

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      You want Pistons Powered to be objective? As they demonstrate on a daily basis,  Pistons Powered has no interest in that. They just spin things to attempt to confirm their personal opinions.

    • Jan 19, 20143:15 pm
      by jerrific

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      Is this is serious question? Maybe the players play better in wins than they do in losses. Nvm, that doesn’t make any sense, obviously the writers on Pistonspowered being assholes is the most logical conclusion.  

    • Jan 19, 20145:01 pm
      by Tim Thielke

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      The Pistons won by 6 points. If they lose by 6 points, they get significantly worse grades, true. But a 12 point swing is a big difference in performance.

      Are you arguing that they shouldn’t get better grades when they play better?

    • Jan 19, 20145:05 pm
      by Tim Thielke

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      Also, I’m not quite sure where you’re coming from on a one point win vs a one point loss. This game was neither. So you’re just making shit up.

      If you’re going to object to my writing, could you try actually referencing my writing? Maybe I could learn something. But when you say it sucks because I would have done ____ in some other hypothetical situation, that’s kinda silly. Wait til I (or another writer) actually does so and then criticize it.

  • Jan 19, 201410:40 am
    by anacaniwelk

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    Remember when people looked at Drummond’s per 36 minute numbers and thought that’s what he’d produce if he got minutes?  Lol.  Oops! Drummond hasn’t come close.  Until Drummond can dominate in a half court offense all he’ll be known for is being a great rebounder and bad at everything else. Sadly, Drummond doesn’t have the talent to be a good offensive player.  How come no one mentions how Drummond’s horrific free throw shooting is hurting the Pistons?

    • Jan 19, 201410:57 am
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      A big athletic defender wjos

      • Jan 19, 201411:01 am
        by PistonFanSinceDay1

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        Oops, my Note 3 just messed up on me. A big athletic defender is always something good to have on your team. Drummond will be fine if he ends up being our trash man, blocker, and top notch defender. Sounds like a Piston player to me.

    • Jan 19, 201411:42 am
      by Dan Feldman

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      “Remember when people looked at Drummond’s per 36 minute numbers and thought that’s what he’d produce if he got minutes?  Lol.  Oops! Drummond hasn’t come close.”

      You’re wrong. Drummond’s per-36 numbers are as close to last year’s as anyone could have expected.

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/drumman01.html

      • Jan 19, 20141:27 pm
        by anacaniwelk

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        Sorry Dan Feldman, the only one wrong is you.  Blocks per 36 are down 30%. Assists per 36 are down 55%. Steals per 36 are down 12%. You need to be more thorough/honest when you report things as facts.

        • Jan 19, 20143:05 pm
          by Dan Feldman

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          If you don’t think these are nearly identical, you’re wrong. I’m not going argue about this.

          • Points: 13.8, 14.0
          • Rebounds: 13.2, 14.1
          • Assists: 0.9, 0.4
          • Steals : 1.7, 1.5
          • Blocks: 2.8, 2.0
          • Turnovers: 1.7, 1.6
          • Fouls: 4.2, 3.6
          • Field goals: 6, 6.2
          • Field-goal attempts: 9.9, 10.3
          • Free throws: 1.7, 1.6
          • Free-throw attempts: 4.6, 4.2
          • Jan 19, 20143:31 pm
            by anacaniwelk

            Nobody’s arguing. We just have a different definition of “identical.”  To me when numbers vary as much as 55% it’s not identical.  For you it is.

          • Jan 19, 20143:47 pm
            by jerrific

            55% actually is pretty meaningless when the stat you are referring to is .5 of an assist.  Stop using percentages to make your point seem stronger than it is.  There are much more effective ways to critique Drummond’s game, the for instance his terrible ft shooting.  

          • Jan 19, 20145:13 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            So you’re going to build your argument around a differential of 16 assists on the entire season so far? Drummond doesn’t get assists. The drop in blocks is significantly more disappointing, but yeah, overall the per-36 numbers are nearly identical. Some improved, some declined.

          • Jan 19, 20146:33 pm
            by gmehl

            I put the drop in blocks from last season to this one in that last season he was mainly going against mainly second units. Going against second units usually brings a slight drop in talent which would mean more shots are rushed and there to be blocked. Also last season he was surrounded by guys that were knocking down 3′s a lot which aided his minute assist numbers.

          • Jan 20, 20142:02 am
            by oats

            @gmehl. Contrary to popular belief, there is little evidence that going from a bench spot to a starting spot hurts statistics. The vast majority of players perform nearly identically despite the competition changing.
             
            Luckily, there doesn’t actually need to be an explanation. I think it’s random variation. In the last 3 years Deandre Jordan had per 36 block totals of 2.7, 2.0, and 2.5. Ibaka’s last 4 years are 3.2, 4.8, 3.5, and 2.6. The last 3 years for McGee are 3.1, 3.9, and 3.2. I think this kind of change just happens sometimes.

    • Jan 19, 20143:44 pm
      by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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      Lol… wow….what was your bar for him… I predicted 13ppg(or better) 13rebs(or better) 2blk ( or better)
      He has a chance to be an all star
      ..is beyond my expectations

  • Jan 19, 201410:43 am
    by anacaniwelk

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    How come Pistons Powered didn’t replace KCP photo with Trey Burke again?  Was it because of Burke’s 2 for 10, 2 assist, 3 turnover, minus 29 performance last night?

    • Jan 19, 201410:55 am
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      Relax, a couple of the editors like Burke. No need to bash anyone.

    • Jan 19, 20145:21 pm
      by Tim Thielke

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      Possibly because the Pistons didn’t play the Jazz. Also, PistonPowered isn’t just one voice. That’s part of why it’s funny when people talk about it having one set of opinions/biases.

  • Jan 19, 201411:33 am
    by hoophabit

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    It makes no sense to me when there are complaints about KCP shooting too much.  10 shots isn’t a huge number, and he just was in the right place last night.  It bothers me more when he turns down open shots.  KCP is streaky, that’s for sure.  However, how many times have we seen him apparently be on, but either they don’t make passes to him when he’s open, or he turns them down.  The standing order with KCP should be if you’re open shoot it.  If it’s determined that he’s cold that would be subject to modification, but otherwise put it up.  This team is desperate for shooting and his history says he’ll get this part of his game together.  His defensive impact is such that you can tolerate his cold periods.  I’d also like to see the Pistons go into Drummond down low.  He’s starting to get a little bit of a low post back to the basket game going, and just making the other team honor that helps the whole team.  Oh, and yeah, Drummond’s 4th foul was totally bogus.  I guess he’s still hasn’t played enough games to move beyond the “rookie” call.  Two big guys fighting for rebounding position and Dre won that one.  Oh well, road games. 

    • Jan 19, 201411:44 am
      by Dan Feldman

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      Nobody complained KCP shoots too much. The issue in this game was he missed too much.

    • Jan 19, 20143:23 pm
      by jerrific

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      I believe you are referring to my complaint above. I am more concerned that Monroe and Drummond aren’t shooting enough. I only brought up KCP’s 10 shots to illustrate that.  

  • Jan 19, 201411:58 am
    by Max

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    Who thinks:
    Drummond
    Monroe
    Smith
    KCP
    Jennings 
    is better than:
    Drummond
    Monroe
    Singler
    Knight
    Burke
    ?
     
    I don’t. 

    • Jan 19, 20141:32 pm
      by jamesjones_det

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      Knights defense isn’t even 1/10th of KCPs and they shoot about the same from distance so I think KCP is a clear win over Knight.
       
      As for Burke and Signler vs Smith and Jennings I think you could argue both sides but I don’t think either line up moves the needle up or down many games.  We would presumably have more cap space this summer though.
       
      In the end I do think
      Drummond
      Monroe
      Smith
      KCP
      Jennings
      Is better but not by much.

      • Jan 19, 20141:42 pm
        by Max

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        KCP doesn’t take and make enough shots for it to matter that his pct is comparable to Knight’s.   The team with Knight, Burke and Singler can knock down a lot more threes at a better pct than the current Pistons roster and Monroe and Drummond would have more room to work for their buckets.  
        Also, even if you say the Smith/Jennings lineup is better but not by much, what about the idea that those two players were a huge investment with the other lineup being comprised of five drafted players on rookie deals?  
        The Pistons literally could have just saved their money, drafted Burke and had a much more balanced team for 13/14 with great flexibility and internal upside moving forward.   

        • Jan 19, 20147:10 pm
          by gmehl

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          “The Pistons literally could have just saved their money”
           
          Actually I think this comment is incorrect. I’m pretty sure EVERY team in the league has to spend up to a certain percentage of the salary cap. You cannot just sit on 20mil and save it which I agree would’ve been more preferable than spending it on a PF to play SF.

          • Jan 19, 20147:48 pm
            by Huddy

            You can do 1 year contracts so you have the space in free agency so essentially you can save the money.  

          • Jan 19, 20148:05 pm
            by Max

            If you don’t hit the salary floor the players you have just make more money.  

          • Jan 19, 20148:26 pm
            by gmehl

            Hey I was all us sitting on the $$$ or even just shelling out a big 1 year deal to meet the salary floor but obviously Joe’s got ulterior motives. Essentially he was thinking by signing a big name he could save his job. That move however could be the one that loses his job.

          • Jan 20, 201412:34 am
            by Smitty

            You are right @gmehl. You have to spend money. Also I think Joe D was piling assets and if they didn’t work I think his plan was to trade. I also read that just because we signed BJ didn’t mean no Rondo. 

          • Jan 20, 20142:32 am
            by oats

            Nope, Max is right about the floor. They’d just give all their players a bonus. Or they could have done Huddy’s solution of signing guys to one year deals. You also only need to be up to the floor by the trade deadline, so you could look to acquire a contract from a team over the tax line if you were really that worried about not getting up to the floor. In fact, doing it that way gives you a chance to get something for the money spent. Wouldn’t the Lakers give up a second rounder or two in order to dump one of their expiring deals, thus saving themselves a lot of money because they are over the luxury tax?

    • Jan 19, 20142:22 pm
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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      Any starting line-up with Singler in it is a losing team…Plus, Smith’s a stat stuffer, so the squad with Smith on it is clearly better…
       
      I said a couple of weeks ago that we should try to get Knight back and run him at the 2…Looks like people are starting to agree…
      Jennings/Knight/Jennings
      Pope/Knight
      Smith/Singler
      Monroe/Smith
      Drummond/Monroe

      • Jan 19, 20143:54 pm
        by jerrific

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        I would argue that our starting lineup would be better with singler in it, but regardless, that statement is pretty ridiculous.  Is he an ideal starter?  No. But he is a net positive in general and could be a contributer on most teams. 

        • Jan 19, 20144:12 pm
          by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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          Singler would for sure be a contributor on most teams, just not in the stating line-up in a 82 game season…

          • Jan 19, 20147:19 pm
            by gmehl

            I think you’ll find 90% of NBA teams will have one guy in there starting 5 who isn’t a top 5 player within there team. The reason they start a head of other players is because they make the other starters better. They call him the ‘glue guy’.

          • Jan 19, 20148:31 pm
            by jerrific

            Exactly,  the idea that singler couldn’t start on a winning team is like saying derek fisher or shane battier (or any other solid roleplayer) couldn’t start on a successful team. No ones asking him to be our best player. But, he would make the starting lineup better by providing outside shooting and a willingness to play defense outside of the paint.

      • Jan 20, 20142:34 am
        by oats

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        @ Jodi. Smith’s stat stuffing isn’t always a positive. His tendency to miss a lot of shots is downright harmful.

    • Jan 20, 20142:54 am
      by oats

      Reply

      @ Max. I still think that the Smith version is better if the team were more competently coached. The 3 big lineup shouldn’t play more than 4-6 minutes a game, and they should have 2 of the 3 bigs on the court as close to the entire game as possible. If they did that then this version of the team could be much better than it has been.
       
      With Cheeks as the coach the difference could be pretty minimal. Not having Smith at the 4 hurts, but not having him at the 3 helps. In addition to that, Middleton would still be on the team and he’s darn good. He definitely would have a chance to take one of those starting spots. I think it comes down to if Cheeks can figure out the bench. If he insists on CV getting the backup PF minutes then the version without Smith is noticeably worse. If he relies on Harrelson and Jerebko as the bench bigs then it would likely be pretty similar. Of course, if he gets it wrong then the team keeps its pick this year, so that might actually be beneficial.

      • Jan 20, 20149:50 pm
        by Max

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        Here’s a thought though.
        Dumars could have drafted Burke and signed Smith and Harrelson.  
        Burke         Bynum
        Knight       Stuckey    Or the other way round
        Singler      Middleton  Or the other way round
        Smith       Monroe –  Or the other way round  - in my lineup, Monroe or Smith is the 6th man 
        Drummond Harrelson
        This team is definitely better than the current one.   I’m not into bashing Jennings or KCP but they are not better than Burke, Knight and Middleton and it’s not close.   All three would arguably be the Pistons best outside shooters if they were on this team.  

  • Jan 19, 20143:26 pm
    by smitty

    Reply

    We aren’t bringing Knight back.

    • Jan 19, 20143:32 pm
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

      Reply

      @Smitty: You’re more than likely right…Knight would be a nice pick-up though…

  • Jan 19, 20143:44 pm
    by gmehl

    Reply

    Anyone read this article on realgm yet? I am not a Stuckey fan but without him this season we’ve looked pretty ordinary.
    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231570/Rodney-Stuckey-Leaving-Potential-Trade-Up-To-Pistons-Front-Office

    • Jan 19, 20143:55 pm
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

      Reply

      The question is, who would we target??. Dion Waiters?..Afflalo?..Jeff Green?..

      • Jan 19, 20144:06 pm
        by gmehl

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        or maybe a mid to late 1st rounder

        • Jan 19, 20144:22 pm
          by Jodi aka "The Guru"

          Reply

          I could see us doing a mid or late 1st rounder+back-court role player for Stuckey…We need something coming back to help our back-court ASAP…

    • Jan 20, 201412:30 am
      by Smitty

      Reply

      Rumors are we are almost 100% likely to make a deal.
       

  • Jan 20, 20141:11 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

    Reply

    I know somebody that know some body that overheard somebody….watch out for an OJ Mayo trade

    • Jan 20, 20141:22 am
      by Smitty

      Reply

      fuck all that
       

    • Jan 20, 20141:23 am
      by Smitty

      Reply

      Maybe for Josh Smith. That is it.

      • Jan 20, 20141:05 pm
        by jamesjones_det

        Reply

        I would do that trade but I doubt Milwaukee would.  Saves money and years for a player that is definitely jekyll and hyde.

    • Jan 20, 20143:10 am
      by oats

      Reply

      Well, I know someone who knows someone who saw Sasquatch. I know someone who knows someone that saw an alien. Not just the UFO, he saw the little grey man and his saucer. I also know someone who knows someone who saw an alligator in the sewers.

  • Jan 20, 20141:22 am
    by dMaz

    Reply

    Jennings 
    Stuckey
    Singler
    Smith
    Drummond

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