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Greg Monroe a trade/free agent target of the Washington Wizards

Alex Kennedy of Basketball Insider:

One team that is interested in Monroe is the Washington Wizards, according to multiple league sources. It’s becoming clear that Washington is planning to pursue in Monroe, either through trade or free agency.

The Pistons are certainly a team to keep an eye on over the next month. Rival executives have said that there is “turmoil” within the organization and that they haven’t decided what to do as the deadline approaches.

You can read my thoughts at ProBasketballTalk.

121 Comments

  • Jan 20, 201411:05 pm
    by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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    Dumars will match anything Monroe is offered…

    • Jan 20, 201411:33 pm
      by Smitty

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      Dumars might not have that chance if this team keeps playing like trash.
       

      • Jan 20, 201411:47 pm
        by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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        @Smitty: We’re going to make an underrated trade before the deadline…Watch Dumars work his magic…

        • Jan 21, 201412:50 am
          by PistonFanSinceDay1

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          We’ll see Jodi. I’m expecting Dumars to at least do something. Standing pat shouldn’t be an option

  • Jan 20, 201411:06 pm
    by jg22

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    Monroe-Stuckey for Beal-Ariza
     
    I’d do it if no better offers come in for Monroe.

    • Jan 21, 20148:35 am
      by hirobeats

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      I love this trade. I like KCP, but Beal is obviously better right now. 

    • Jan 21, 201411:25 am
      by jamesjones_det

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      I would take that trade all day.  I’m not sure Washington gives you both their prime outside shooters, however I would take whomever else they offer not named Nene.

  • Jan 20, 201411:17 pm
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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    David Falk will determine what happens

    • Jan 21, 20143:00 pm
      by jg22

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      David Falk is an agent not our GM. Joe will determine what happens

  • Jan 20, 201411:32 pm
    by Keith

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    PLease beal for monroe. i literally wouldn’t trade monroe for any but three players. bradley beal, Nicholas Batum and eric Gordon. please get it done joe.

    • Jan 21, 20149:36 am
      by Jerrific

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      The last thing this teams needs is another inefficient chucker like Eric Gorden. Not only that, but he is completely one-dimensional, all he brings to the table is volume scoring. Batum or Beal would be nice pick ups though. 

  • Jan 20, 201411:34 pm
    by Moemoney313

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    Joe should trade for Bradley Beal or Eric Gordon. 

    • Jan 20, 201411:58 pm
      by jg22

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      I agree, but Beal is soooo much more attractive because he’s on a rookie deal, much younger, and no injury history.
       
      Trading Monreo for Beal on a 4 mil/yr deal >>>> Trading Monroe for Gordon on a 15 mil/yr deal

  • Jan 20, 201411:36 pm
    by Ryan

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    Piston’s management to do list.
    -trade Josh Smith and get a decent prospect at the three in return
    -arrange an “accident” for David Falk
    -tell Maurice Cheeks to run his offense through Greg Monroe first and Andre Drummond second
    -move Rodney Stuckey and/or CV for as much value as possible
    -either push for the playoffs and try to give the Bobcats the worst possible pick or tank but make up your damn mind

  • Jan 20, 201411:42 pm
    by Zdwtr

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    @ryan how bout the defense? Is monroe dependable? 

    • Jan 21, 20149:38 am
      by Jerrific

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      He’s playing big minutes anyways isn’t he? As long as he’s on the floor, the offense should run through him. It perplexes me that Cheeks doesn’t realize teams should run their offense through their most efficient scorers. 

      • Jan 21, 20145:37 pm
        by Ryan

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        http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-pistons-shouldnt-be-this-bad/

        Greg Monroe’s defense isn’t that great but it isn’t that terrible. Part of the problem is how we’re using him. As Lowe notes his quick hands make him a threat to steal the ball and he’s not bad defending inside. We need to keep him and he needs to get better.
        Also Jerrific is absolutely right you run the offense through the most efficient guy and Monroe is 8 times out of 10 that guy.

      • Jan 21, 20145:38 pm
        by Ryan

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        http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-pistons-shouldnt-be-this-bad/ Greg Monroe’s defense isn’t that great but it isn’t that terrible. Part of the problem is how we’re using him. As Lowe notes his quick hands make him a threat to steal the ball and he’s not bad defending inside. We need to keep him and he needs to get better.
        Also Jerrific is absolutely right you run the offense through the most efficient guy and Monroe is 8 times out of 10 that guy.

  • Jan 20, 201411:43 pm
    by pistons moribund

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    Rondo for Bullwinkle and Jennings.

    • Jan 20, 201411:49 pm
      by Smitty

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      Ya I’m not sure that they are waiting for. Then trade Cv to the Bucks for Mayo.
       

      • Jan 20, 201411:56 pm
        by Parsons

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        Their waiting for Danny Ainge to get high enough to say yes.

  • Jan 20, 201411:47 pm
    by Vic

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    Ariza and Porter and unprotected 1st rounder 
     

    • Jan 20, 201411:49 pm
      by oats

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      They owe a conditional pick to Phoenix as part of the Gortat trade, so they can’t offer an unprotected 1st rounder to Detroit.

  • Jan 20, 201411:47 pm
    by oats

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    I can’t see Washington moving Beal for Monroe. He shoots the 3, he runs the court well, and he can competently defend either guard spot so the team can hide Wall on the weaker offensive player. They see him as the perfect complimentary piece to Wall. No way they offer him for a guy they can just try to steal away from Detroit in free agency.

    • Jan 21, 201412:00 am
      by jg22

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      How can they steal him in FA if he’s an UFA?
       
      If they want him they have to trade for him. End of story.

      • Jan 21, 201412:59 am
        by oats

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        I think you mean that he’s an RFA, which is why Detroit can match. There’s a reason I said try to steal him though. There are rumors that Detroit isn’t prepared to match a max offer for him. Let’s say Detroit really doesn’t want to give him a max deal and Washinton signs him to a max offer sheet. Detroit will then threaten to match, and thus forces Washington into a sign and trade. Still, knowing that Detroit doesn’t actually want to match they would be in operating from a position of power. They might be able to force Detroit into an Otto Porter and Glen Rice Jr. for Monroe type of trade. That would be a pretty typical deal for that scenario, and it’s way better for Washington than a Beal trade. That’s a steal comparatively speaking, and that’s assuming Detroit actually has the balls to play it right. For all we know they might be too afraid that their bluff gets called, thus forcing them to keep Monroe. If that is the case then they would just let Monroe walk, which would literally be stealing him in free agency. I mean, there are a lot of rumors that Detroit would do exactly that if Monroe receives a max offer. From Washington’s perspective it makes way more sense to attempt something like that than to break up the Wall and Beal back court.

        • Jan 21, 20147:44 am
          by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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          exactly!
          No way the Wizard are moving Beal…Especially for a one trick pony like Monroe
           

    • Jan 21, 201412:54 am
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      Oats may be on to something. The Wizards could just offer Monroe a huge deal during the summer and see if the Pistons decide to match. Why would the Wizards trade Beal when they’re close to a .500 team right now?

  • Jan 20, 201411:48 pm
    by Vic

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    Or Jeff Green and unprotected 1st rou nder

    • Jan 21, 201412:58 am
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      For who? KCP and Charlie right? I know you’re not saying Green+1st rounder for Monroe. We get robbed in that deal!

      • Jan 21, 20149:50 am
        by Jerrific

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        Actually, if it were to yield us a completely unrestricted pick that wouldn’t be terrible. Boston is currently tied for the fourth worst record in the league. The only reason I would hesitate is the risk of Boston turning it around at the end of the season because of Rondo’s return. 

        • Jan 21, 201410:16 am
          by Tim Thielke

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          It kinda depends on which first rounder. Boston has their own, Atlanta’s (unless Brooklyn somehow passes Atlanta, then Brooklyn’s), and Philly’s (although that one is pretty strongly protected already). And then they have their own and the Clippers’ for 2015.

          • Jan 21, 201410:32 am
            by Jerrific

            Wasn’t aware of that, I was working with the assumption we would be receiving Boston’s own pick. 

        • Jan 21, 201411:28 am
          by Tim Thielke

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          The Cs would be foolish to give up their own completely unprotected. I’d swap Monroe for Wallace and that pick.

    • Jan 21, 201411:29 am
      by jamesjones_det

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      Boston has made it pretty clear they want picks.  I don’t think Boston offers a 1st rounder for anyone on our roster not named Drummond.

    • Jan 21, 20144:02 pm
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      Maybe it’s just me. I’ve never been the type to trade proven talent for an unproven rookie. I’ve never been the gambling type. They’re too many rookies that end up becoming a bust, I’d rather keep my young proven talent. 

  • Jan 20, 201411:53 pm
    by Vic

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    This will go down as one of the stupidest moves in Pistons history in 3 years when Smith is no longer an athlete but Monroe shoots jumpshots like Karl Malone. 

    • Jan 20, 201411:55 pm
      by Smitty

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      And still can’t play defense.

    • Jan 21, 201412:02 am
      by jg22

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      CV shoots jumpshots like Karl Malone but he’s still useless because he can’t play defense too…

    • Jan 21, 201412:18 am
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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      Monroe’s defense isn’t as bad as CV’s…

      • Jan 21, 201410:28 pm
        by jg22

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        Honesly I don’t know about. What’s the difference really?
         
        I said when we drafted Monroe that he was another soft big man like CV. I wanted Cousins instead. Monroe had me fooled by his offense for a while, but I’m fooled no more. Can’t win if you can’t play defense. 

  • Jan 20, 201411:54 pm
    by Parsons

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    Either Trevor Ariza and Otto Porter or Trevor Ariza and Martell Webster would be our options. I don’t see the Bradley Beal/John Wall combo being broken up. Maybe they see Martell Webster as a suitable replacement for Beal but I doubt it. I want Jan Vesely too for 1 reason, with Monroe gone we’ll need a backup center. I like it though we could get 2 talented wings. If not here Orlando for Afflalo or OKC for young guys and a draft pick, or 2 I think they have Houstons, would be our best options in my opinion, depending on if we’re buying or selling.

    • Jan 21, 201410:22 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      At this point, I just can’t see a Monroe trade to Washington going down without Beal coming back. Maybe for Porter and a pick. But Ariza, Vesely, and Webster just don’t have much value.

  • Jan 21, 201412:36 am
    by domnick

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    i want Beal… :) include Stuckey +  Monroe + Singler for Beal and Trevor/Webster + Vessely :)

  • Jan 21, 20141:23 am
    by Jay

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    Beal and ariza, Eric Gordon, afflalo… Rondo and green… Something’s gotta happen ASAP.  I went to the game today against the clippers, Monroe plays with concrete in his shoes!!

  • Jan 21, 20142:16 am
    by microjfox

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    Monroe for Mayo and John Henson. Stuckey for Affalo. Defense gets better and we can spread the floor. Henson would be a beast off the bench.

  • Jan 21, 20142:17 am
    by microjfox

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    Monroe for Mayo and John Henson. Stuckey for Affalo. Defense gets better and we can spread the floor. Henson would be a beast off the bench. Please no Eric gordon. I’d rather have Evans.

  • Jan 21, 20142:49 am
    by microjfox

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    I don’t want to give up singler. He is a very important role player. 

  • Jan 21, 20143:58 am
    by NBALive14

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    Monroe for klau Thompson 

  • Jan 21, 20143:58 am
    by NBALive14

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    Klay*

  • Jan 21, 20145:58 am
    by Ryan P.

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     Harrison barnes for monroe straight up

  • Jan 21, 20146:43 am
    by Maximus

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    Stuckey for Afflalo in the works.

  • Jan 21, 20147:31 am
    by Adam

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    Maximus so u have. Link or is this here say

  • Jan 21, 20147:55 am
    by Corey

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    I like the idea of Monroe for Mayo and Henson. Not sure we could get it, but I’d be willing to add Stuckey to that deal- unless we could actually get afflalo for hi

    • Jan 21, 20149:27 am
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      Please stop

    • Jan 21, 20149:56 am
      by Jerrific

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      Possibly the worst trade scenario I’ve read to date. 

    • Jan 21, 20143:01 pm
      by jg22

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      I’d trade Monroe for David Mayo at this point 

  • Jan 21, 20148:14 am
    by Windy

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    Porter/Ariza type trade for Monroe would be foolish for the Pistons…if your even thinking about that trade then just announce your willing to trade him and see what else gets called in, you couldnt get much less…unless we just let him walk in the summer when Wiz offer a max deal hahaha…I have been saying to dump Monroe so much I gave up talking about it…it’s about time his name pops up from an outside source…now finding some actual shooters would be my plan…in a three team deal I wouldbt mind getting a porter plus an affalo back for monroe…

  • Jan 21, 20148:25 am
    by Huddy

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    I would be shocked if the Wizards moved Beal for Monroe.  I would be pretty surprised if they were moving Ariza and Porter for Monroe when Gortat is already there.  That would make them so weak at the SF and I think they are pretty set on the playoffs.  I think it’s more likely they roll with Gortat through the season and attempt to outbid Detroit in FA or facilitate a sign and trade when the Pistons will be equally or more desperate.  Either way a deal with the Wizards probably means reasonably poor value.

  • Jan 21, 20149:07 am
    by Jakob Eich

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    I don’t think it changes the Pistons future either way. We’ll do fine with Monroe, and we’ll do fine without him if we get any good player in return. I would like to keep Moose and move Smith. Dumars would not even have to admit the signing was a mistake because it gives Detroit more flexibility and we might get some value in return we would not have gotten otherwise, i. e. smaller, moveable contracts. If there is a decent three and D player available for Smith, Joe should do it in a heartbeat. Problem with Monroe is that playing with Smith has lowered his value, I would like to see him take the next step before we deal him for lesser players. Nonetheless, a deal for either one of the two would improve team chemistry.

    • Jan 21, 20149:58 am
      by Jerrific

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      I would love if the Pistons moved Smith, but no one with a brain in this league would take him. His contract is way to big and it’s only a matter of time before his athleticism begins to decline. Then all you are left with is a low IQ, extremely inefficient shooter who things he’s a genuine superstar. 

      • Jan 21, 201411:35 am
        by jamesjones_det

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        There is a rumor out there… but I’m not sure how it helps us unless we move Monroe as well.
         
        http://www.latinopost.com/articles/3242/20140117/nba-trade-rumors-2014-detroit-pistons-to-trade-josh-smith-to-brooklyn-nets-for-brook-lopez.htm

        • Jan 21, 201411:47 am
          by Tim Thielke

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          This would be awesome. It probably makes the fit in Detroit even wore. But Lopez is simply more valuable than Smith. Also, it would open the possibility of moving Drummond. Only for a king’s ransom, of course, but he’s the sort of asset that could fetch a superstar.

          • Jan 21, 201410:32 pm
            by jg22

            So you want acquire Lopez in order to trade Drummond? lol
             
            What kind of superstar are you thinking we are going to get for him, that is better than keeping him?
             
            Aside from LeBron or Durant, I don’t see any player thats going to turn us into champions by himself any more than Drummond has the ability to do a few years from now.
             
            And OKC/Miami are not trading them, so…

          • Jan 21, 201410:50 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            I don’t want to trade Drummond, but making him expendable could only be a good thing. Superstars become available every couple years. It’s good to have one’s options open. Let’s say it was Harden or Irving or Curry or Wall (if he follows through on his potential) or one who has yet to bust out as a star. I’d rather have that guy+Lopez than Drummond+Smith.

        • Jan 21, 20145:13 pm
          by oats

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          That one is not a rumor. That was Zach Lowe throwing out ideas for the Pistons. He presented it as something he’s heard some guys around the league that have nothing to do with either team came up with as a hypothetical, but it was extremely clear that was not being reported as something either team has talked about in any way. I guess it’s possible that the teams have talked about it but it kept it quiet enough to keep it from getting reported as an actual rumor, but there definitely isn’t enough there to consider this report a rumor.

        • Jan 21, 201410:29 pm
          by jg22

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          How credible is this latino post site? lol

  • Jan 21, 20149:32 am
    by PistonFanSinceDay1

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    What do you guys think of trading Josh Smith to the Celtics for Jeff Green? In this scenario we can keep Monroe/Drummond together and we get a 27yr old SF who’s can stretch the floor.

    • Jan 21, 20142:25 pm
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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      This is crazy that this comment hasn’t got any recognition…PistonFan your idea sounds like a realistic trade compared to those silly Monroe for Beal ideas…Smith had Boston as one of his destinations if he was traded and Rondo is a friend of his…The question is, would Dumars be willing to trade Smith after he signed him to a huge deal…Dumars would probably ask for Green+1st rounder for Smith…

      • Jan 21, 20144:05 pm
        by PistonFanSinceDay1

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        Haha, thanks Jodi. Guess I’m not cool enough on these boards yet. 

      • Jan 21, 20145:37 pm
        by oats

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        I see a few potential problems with that. First of all, the trade isn’t legal. Boston would have to include another player to make the math work. Boston also doesn’t really want to add salary to their next summer, so they probably insist on it being Jeff Green and Keith Bogans. That Bogans deal is terrible, so that might scare off Detroit. I mean, Bogans is so bad that it is almost like you are going to paying more than $13 million for just Jeff Green.
         
        The second problem is that Josh Smith has been bad this year. I have no idea if Boston would think they could get him back to his old self by playing him at PF full time, but they might not be willing to risk that. The third problem is that Boston will likely have a high draft pick, and there is a fair amount of talent at the PF position in this draft. Right now they have the flexibility to take anyone, but getting a player as established as Smith makes it so drafting another PF would be less advantageous. Finally, it would require Dumars to admit that maybe instead of signing the guy he felt was the most talented player that he should have signed a slightly lesser player that fits better. I guess he could make an argument that there really wasn’t as natural of a fit as Jeff Green available, so that last one might not be a problem.

        • Jan 23, 201412:21 pm
          by JYD for Life

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          That trade would be huge…I just don’t think that Boston would do it.  Green is a perfect fit whether we have Monroe or Smith at the PF spot.  He doesn’t need 20 shots a game, plays D, can hit 3s and more importantly, FREE THROWS!  He was 13-15 from the line the other night.   
          The Bogans contract is not guaranteed beyond this season, so he would be a decent option.  I’d rather see them fill out that trade by bolstering the bench with veterans.  Humphries, G.Wallace (terrible contract though) or even Brandon Bass would be good bigs off the bench.  

  • Jan 21, 20149:51 am
    by Steve K

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    From a statistical standpoint, Monroe for Beal is not far-fetched. If you care at all about PER, Monroe rates at a 19.4 for his career. Granted, he’s down to 17.2 this year. But that’s still far above Beal who’s at 13.9 this season. Beal gives you great 3pt%, a handful of rebounds and assists.
     
    Because Monroe plays for such a crap team with such a crap coach, our objectivity is skewed. People were a bit down on Beal last year too, for the same reason.
     
    Bottom line is that Monroe may be more valuable than we realize.

    • Jan 21, 20149:59 am
      by Huddy

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      Gortats per is 16 so how much more valuable is Monroe to them?  From the Wizards stand point Beal is a great fit in their line up and moving him for another Center with similar production to their current Center is very questionable.  Monroe is younger and a long term solution at Center than Gortat, but how far forward do they move if they solve their center issues and fall back considerably at SG for the future?  Considering the possibility of acquiring Monroe in FA I don’t see them moving such value when they can explore other options.
       
      IMO the wizards would bring back bad value for Monroe, but Monroe being worth more doesn’t mean teams will be giving up more.  NBA trades, especially those that seek desperate like the current pistons situation, rarely have two winners.

    • Jan 21, 201410:01 am
      by Jerrific

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      Agreed. Also, I don’t think Monroe’s stock is really hurt much from his play this season. It’s obvious he still has the same game. His stats are hurting from playing next to Smith. GM’s certainly see that. 

    • Jan 21, 20147:58 pm
      by frankie d

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      More valuable than who realizes?
      Some of us think that -absent a grand theft return and haul for him – trading monroe would be the dumbest thing the team could ever do.  
      I keep asking the forum to name another team that has traded a similar young big and no one ever responds as it hardly ever happens and when it does, the young big is only moved for a king’s ransom.
      Some of the trade ideas are so ludicrously low – from detroit’s perspective – that it is shocking.
      And i fail to understand the infatuation with beal. The draft prospect  beal was certainly impressive but he has vastly underachieved at the nba level.  Go check out the wizards’ forums and see what they have to say about a one dimensional volume shooter who isnt all that great a shooter.  He is supposed to be a shooter but his shot % is horrible.  His 3 point % is good, but are you going to trade a big like monroe for a 3 and d wing who plays very shaky defense?  The league has lots of guys – anthony morrow, anyone? – with better 3 point %’s.
      So far beal is a streaky 3 point shooter who cant handle the ball, cant get to the rim because his legs seem shot and plays marginal defense.  Who knows…he is young and might develop but so far it isnt looking too good.
      And he certainly isnt playing well enough to be the centerpiece in a trade for one of the best young big men in the league.

  • Jan 21, 20149:53 am
    by JVS

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    Beal has more value than an about to be maxed Monroe, but i’d throw in KCP to make it happen.  Washington can play Webster with Porter, and have KCP as a backup/insurance policy, we get our shooter, and then all we need to do is tell Josh to not shoot outside of 10ft, and Jennings to shoot about 50% less

  • Jan 21, 201410:18 am
    by Jerrific

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    Beal is a really good three point shooter, and a solid defender, but if the Pistons offered me Monroe straight up for Beal, I would jump on it in a heartbeat. He shoots forty percent from the field while maintaining almost almost forty five percent from the three. He might drop the long bomb, but he’s an absolute liability on offense otherwise. What else does he bring to the table besides that? Monroe is bad defensively, but he brings a lot of other traits to the table. He is a great rebounder, some what efficient post scorer, and fantastic at gathering assists and steals for a player in at his position. Monroe’s defensive woes are amplified by how bad the Cheek’s defensive philosophy (can we even call it that?) is. His deficiencies could be hidden on a good defensive team with a solid game plan. As someone already mentioned, Monroe’s PER, we’ll go by this years 17 (even though it would be higher if he weren’t playing next to the black hole Smennings), is pretty telling. It clearly paints a picture of someone who brings more to the table than Beal with his 14 PER. 

    There really aren’t any good player-for-player swaps out there for the Pistons. Most of the wings I see as being comparable in production are on teams that are playoff bound and pretty set with their bigs. I think their best bet is to try to get a lesser player who fills a need and a lottery pick, which could yield an even better player down the line.

    • Jan 21, 20145:56 pm
      by oats

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      Beal can run the court, he can shoot the 3, and he can defend either guard spot. He’s also a solid passer. Beal has 2 real problems on offense. They ask him to score more than he is really ready to, and that’s forced him into taking too many mid range jump shots. His efficiency would jump up considerably if they allowed him to focus on just shooting 3s and finishing in fast break situations. He’s also really bad at getting to the line. Some of that is that he is a jump shooter, but some of it is that he’s a young guy. He can learn to get better at drawing fouls while shooting like a Ray Allen or Reggie Miller, and as he gets older he’ll start getting the benefit of the doubt more from the refs. His problems are pretty correctable. This is where I should remind you that Beal is 20 years old, a good 3 years younger than Monroe. That leaves with more room for growth. The defense thing I mentioned earlier is also huge as it allows Washington to hide Wall on the weaker offensive player. Wall gets steals, but he is still not a good defender. Meanwhile Monroe is a bad defender, and that counters some of the good he does on offense. 
       
      Last but certainly not least is the contract. Beal’s got 2 more years on the rookie deal, but Monroe’s going to get paid next year. That extra time of before his pay day is extremely valuable. What’s more, they can offer Monroe a max deal in free agency and see if Detroit blinks. If Detroit does threaten to match but doesn’t really want to then Washington will be negotiating a sign and trade from a position of power. That should give them a chance to get Monroe without giving up Beal, and that should be their priority. If they miss out then they will just take solace in the fact that they have the better 2 way player, the cheaper player, and the younger player.

      • Jan 21, 201410:58 pm
        by Jerrific

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        He is a volume scorer that gets points because he jacks up a lot of inefficient shots. He doesn’t do anything particularly well on scoring besides hitting the three, as is evident by his field goal percentage, and commits too many turnovers for a player whose primary role is to be a shooter. Sorry, I just don’t see the appeal. His athleticism is good, but no where near elite, and the same can be said of his defense. His defensive rating is actually worse  than last year, 105 to 108. Personally, I think this guy is like the second coming of OJ Mayo, but slightly better at defense. Maybe he puts it together, but most players who start their careers as inefficient chuckers stay inefficient chuckers. Perhaps the Pistons would go for him because he’s a cheaper option and fills a need, but I would be shopping Monroe for a more efficient player with less ceiling and a lottery pick in this years draft over Beal. The last thing this team needs is more inefficient scorers with high usage ratings. 

        • Jan 22, 20141:31 am
          by oats

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          Would I rather get a lottery pick as well as an efficient shooter for Monroe? You bet I would. Do I think there is anyone offering that? Nope. Teams have been really stingy with trading away first round picks, and this draft is deep enough that I don’t know if Monroe could fetch any lottery pick straight up when there is also the perception that Detroit needs to move him because things aren’t working. That’s a problem.
           
          I actually agree that this team doesn’t need another high volume and low efficiency scorer. Beal’s actually average efficiency which is better than what they currently have from their high volume scorers, but that’s not why I’d be interested. I think that if he was on a team with a couple other options he would take on a lesser role. I think you are confusing what Washington needs him to do with what Beal wants to do. Ariza, Webster, and Nene are all at or darn close to their career highs in shot attempts. Gortat only took more shots than this once, and that was with Nash as his PG on the 8th fastest paced team in the league. Those guys are all pretty much tapped out, and they need Beal to take shots because none of those guys can create a shot for themselves. Beal meanwhile has often had to be the primary ball handler while Wall is out. They ask him to create his own shot pretty often, which isn’t really a good thing for a guy that isn’t good at getting to the hoop just yet. There is a lot of evidence that trying to do too much hurts efficiency, and I think that’s what has been happening so far for Beal. Maybe you are right and he mistakenly thinks it’s a good idea to force long 2s, something he does far too often. I’d be willing to gamble on a 20 year old kid flourishing in a reduced role.
           
          By the way, fewer than 2 turnovers a game for a guy that has that high of a usage rate is pretty darn good. I also have to say that individual defensive rating is a weird stat. It just looks at team defensive rating and adjusts based on how many stops a guy accounts for. The Wizards are a bit worse defensively this year, and that’s pretty much the entire change. The rest of it is variation far too small to be actually meaningful. So that 3 point swing in defensive rating is just normal variation.

  • Jan 21, 201410:27 am
    by freeparty

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    monroe, stuckey and cv
    for
    carmelo and shumpert
     
    money works, and nyk need to get rid of melo to score king james.  melo is a champion.  Pistons need champions, otherwise, pistons remain losers.

    • Jan 21, 201411:11 am
      by @GPMasters

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      If Pistons are losers NOW, and they then trade for Melo they become even BIGGER losers when he walks at the end of the season. Try again son

    • Jan 21, 201411:26 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      Why do people think NYK will be willing to trade Anthony? It’s not happening. I’m not sure how much he would be worth acquiring (he’s worth a max contract, but then you have to build your whole team around him), but he is Knicks basketball right now.

      • Jan 21, 201411:33 am
        by @GPMasters

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        Agreed, it’s an utterly outrageous notion. Although Melo did look pretty fed up last night as the Nets ran riot.
        I’d like to see him walk out on them to be fair.

        • Jan 21, 20143:05 pm
          by jg22

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          Knicks will trade Melo if they don’t want him to leave them with nothing this summer.
           
          Thats common sense

          • Jan 21, 20146:00 pm
            by oats

            They have to think he is far more likely to stay put than to leave though. He wants to play in a big market, and the Knicks can offer him more money than anyone else.

          • Jan 21, 201411:00 pm
            by Jerrific

            That’s complete speculation either way, only Melo knows what he’s thinking in regards to next season.

  • Jan 21, 201411:35 am
    by Windy

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    Beal/Ariza/2nd Pick for Monroe/Stuckey would basically be a win-win trade…Beal has value of course but big men that are 23 and score 15-9-3 a game are hard to come by as well…with the likes of Waiters, Shumpert being floated around I’m sure the Wiz could fill the SG role left behind in Beal leaving…a throw in of Stuckey who could easily play SG for this year for them and may even resign considering he played for Washington State in college, they still have Webster as an insurance policy…Washington has to resign Monroe at the end of the year yes but they will have the money to do so, what’s the problem? 
    As a piston fan adding some shooting is so important, Beal and Ariza would bring that…a starting lineup of Jennings, Beal, Ariza, Smith and Dre sounds a lot better than this mess we have…we improve in nearly all facets of the game…
    Porter is out if the question unless we make a three team trade where we get Porter/Ariza/Afflalo back in return…I would rather have Porter than nothing or signing Monroe to a max deal…if Monroe is announced as possibly trade bait I’m sure they can fetch a better return than Otto Porter 

    • Jan 21, 201411:51 am
      by Huddy

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      “considering he played for Washington State in college” he played for Eastern Washington, which like Washington State University is about as far away from Washington D.C. where the Wizards are located as possible within the United States.

      • Jan 21, 201412:10 pm
        by Smitty

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        no way there’s 2 washingtons? 

    • Jan 21, 201411:03 pm
      by Jerrific

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      Wait, now we’re giving up Monroe AND Stuckey for Beal? Come on now, we would be giving up the best player in that trade already, why are people so high on him?

  • Jan 21, 20142:26 pm
    by Vic

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    Smith & CV
    for Nene & Porter
     
    Wizards get another athlete PF better than Vesely and Nene
    Plus they get that pick & pop 4 Wall wants in CV. 
    Wall can get Smith buckets on the break and CV buckets in the halfcourt.
     
    Pistons lose their cancers and get an SF that was injured and hasn’t had a chance to flourish.

    • Jan 21, 20142:30 pm
      by Vic

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      This trade shows that Dumars is not an idiot, dedicates him to high IQ players… instead of trading Monroe and doubling down on chuck city basketball.
      You do help Washington out but you keep Monroe, which is smart if you can put defenders and shooters around him.

      • Jan 21, 201411:05 pm
        by Jerrific

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        The problem with this scenario is that Dumars would have to not be an idiot and be dedicated to high IQ players. Every single move he’s made in recent history says otherwise (about the high IQ players, the idiot part is just my opinion).

    • Jan 21, 20146:06 pm
      by oats

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      Are you actually pretending like CV has any value at all on the court?

  • Jan 21, 20143:30 pm
    by microjfox

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    Beal is out of the question keep dreaming. Trading for Melo would be the worst possible thing for this team and the next 5 teams.

  • Jan 21, 20143:55 pm
    by Windy

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    My bad lol

  • Jan 21, 20144:18 pm
    by Leon

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    Seriously nobody here seems to be thinking straight. The problem with Monroe is he’s a much better center than he is a power forward. Centers aren’t usually all that athletic unless you are a Drummond,Jordan, and Howard. So the main problem is playing these guys out of position. The same thing with Smith who’s a much better power forward than small forward. Tell me say we trade Monroe who’s are backup or actually more reliable center now? We need a trade but unless we can get Lebron or KD for Monroe we need to worry about trading someone else like our expiring contracts. Plus for those of you who want to trade Smith dont you think he’s a better power forward than Monroe. He’s more agile so why trade him?

    • Jan 21, 20146:08 pm
      by Parsons

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      We can only play 1 center and 1 Power Forward at a time. Do you really want to pay a man 14 million to play 22 minutes a game? Thats what your looking at if Monroe stays. I don’t think anyone would dispute the fact that Monroe is a terrible Power Forward and Smith sucks at Small Forward but unless you want Drummond on the bench playing 18 minutes than thats our only option. We have Smith, Monroe, and Drummond who all only play well at one position so we have to force 2 out of position or put one on the bench.

      “Tell me say we trade Monroe who’s are backup or actually more reliable center now?”

      Drummond’s our most reliable center now and after Monroe leaves. Who cares who the backup center is? Harrilson can man that or just sign one or include one in the Monroe trade. I agree Smith is a better PF and Drummond the better Center so thats why Monroe becomes the trade chip. He’s valuable and we’re a mess.

    • Jan 21, 20146:21 pm
      by oats

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      Ok, first of all, why be more worried about a backup center than a starting player on the wing? That’s silly. Smith is an awful SF, and just moving him out of that position alone represents an upgrade. That is almost certainly enough to make up for the drop off in backup centers. Also, I wouldn’t mind just giving Harrelson more minutes. That’s not a great long term answer for the backup center, but I could live with him playing 10-15 minutes a game. I’d lean towards the low end, and have Smith play a few minutes as a small ball center. I’d then be giving a few minutes to JJ at the backup power forward spot. Eventually you’d want to get a real 3rd big man, but getting starters on the perimeter should be the priority.
       
      Secondly, I’m not convinced Smith is a better PF. He’s clearly a way better defender, but his tendency to miss tons of shots makes him a much worse offensive player. I think Smith is probably a little bit better right this second, but it is pretty close. Yet I’m not thinking only of right this second. This team won’t be likely to contend until Drummond begins to enter his peak, which is easily 4 years away. Monroe will be in his prime then and Smith will be in his 30s. Given how predicated his game is on athleticism, Smith is a guy that could decline pretty rapidly. So I think I would rather have Monroe for the long haul.
       
      I personally am open to trading either guy. Monroe has more long term value in my opinion, but that means he also has more trade value.

      • Jan 21, 201411:12 pm
        by Jerrific

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        I’m with you when it comes to Smith vs Monroe, with Monroe getting the edge due to age and this teams apparent window. I just don’t think Smith’s contract will be easy to move and I question what we could get in return for him. 

  • Jan 21, 20144:45 pm
    by NBALive14

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    Exactly^^

  • Jan 21, 20144:57 pm
    by dMaz

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    Monroe has a better future than smith. Trade smith, keep monroe.

    • Jan 21, 201410:34 pm
      by jg22

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      This isnt fantasy basketball where you just keep all the players with the best individual stats. They have to fit together into a team, and Monroe doesn’t fit at PF with Drummond, so it doesn’t matter if he’s better than Smith right now or later. 

      • Jan 21, 201411:17 pm
        by Jerrific

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        We’ve hardly seen enough of that to draw any conclusions. Monroe doesn’t fit with Drummond while Smith playing SF, that much is obvious. Monroe’s deficiencies are amplified by how bad our team defense, and the perimeter defense of Smith and Jennings, has been. His offense is stunted because we have low IQ players like Smith and Jennings chucking up a ton of bad shots and not feeding our most efficient scorer. Who’s to say he wouldn’t fit better with an actual SF that could spread the floor and play perimeter defense, and a point guard who knew how to be a point guard?

  • Jan 21, 201411:59 pm
    by The Microwave

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    This may be a dream but.. How about Joe ‘trading’ Cheeks for Karl? Imagine if we had a guy running the show that knows how to utilize young talent. I would love to see Smith at the 4 exclusively. Except when we play the Heat in the playoffs. Then let him play the 3. Having a steady rotation of Smith, Andre, and Moose manning the front court and funneling the offense through them would be hard for just about any team to stop. Why does Joe sit back and watch Cheeks sabotage the season (and maybe Joe D’s Job)? I JUST DONT GET WHY JOE WON’T stop this madness!

    • Jan 22, 20141:22 am
      by Smitty

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      YESS!! Why is he just sitting around. I guess we are not tanking so wtf is going on? Is the plan to finish 9th in the East and lose our pick?

  • Jan 22, 201412:10 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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    You guys obsession with Porter I’d weird…

  • Jan 22, 201412:32 am
    by JYD for Life

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    Totally agree with keeping Monroe…but since it appears there are not many takers lining up for Josh Smith, the options are limited.  If he goes, they have to take another bad contract back.  
    1.  Why would we trade for Ariza in any deal?  He’s going to be an unrestricted free agent this summer.  Also without a need for Monroe right now, Washington most likely wouldn’t give up Beal or Porter this season. When Gortat’s deal expires this summer, they would likely make a run at Monroe.  
    2.  Boston is possibly the best trading partner.  There are a few scenarios that work well for both teams: 
    a.  Trade Monroe/CV/Stuckey for Gerald Wallace/Green/Joel Anthony and a 1st round pick. Anthony has to be moved in a separate deal because he can not be packaged in a trade until the summer, but split the deal up and it still works.  We take on 22M in salary and Boston takes around 20M.  I love this because it gets us into the playoffs this year and back into the draft (new PG, anyone?), solidifies the bench and gives us a crazy athletic starting 5.  
    B. Trade Smith/CV for Wallace/Green/Bass – Ainge might look at it as viable because smith at 14M for 3 more years is a better value than Wallace at 10M per for two years.   This allows us to keep Monroe, fetches a SF and solidifies the bench.  The only problem is a lack of financial flexibility because of the Wallace contract.  Bass has one more year after this and Green has two.  
    I really like Jeff Green as our fourth best player…he’s been underwhelming his entire career, but his per 36 minute stats are consistent.  He was expected to do too much in Boston this year.  Humphries would be solid for a playoff run this year, but at 12 mil, it’s hard to work him into deals if you’re taking Wallace and GreEn.  
    Taking on deals like Eric Gordon would only make sense if you can unload Smith’s contract.  He’s so small, the backcourt would easily be the most feeble in the league. 
    Thw other thing to keep an eye on is a 3-way deal…Ainge having pulled off two already, don’t be surprised if Boston, Washington and Detroit figure something out. Though hard to believe Joe would help a Washington team we are battling for position with.  

  • Jan 22, 201412:35 am
    by JYD for Life

    Reply

    I agree with @hate cheeks – Porter is ok, but definitely not worth Monroe.  
    One of our biggest problems is defense…adding a timid guy who is inexperienced does not help things.  
     

    • Jan 22, 20141:20 am
      by Smitty

      Reply

      Why not Rondo for Jennings and Monroe? Maybe Detroit gets Olynyk to replace Monroe. So if we have to take wallace you get Rondo Wallace Olynyk, Green for Monroe Jennings Jerebko and Charlie V and Datome.

  • Jan 22, 20141:53 am
    by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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    I hope you guys like Beal, Rice JR, and Nene…Say bye to Monroe, Stuckey, and Jerebko…

    • Jan 22, 20142:25 am
      by Smitty

      Reply

      What  are you saying bro?
       

      • Jan 22, 20142:32 am
        by Smitty

        Reply

        I’d take porter instead of Rice in that trade
         

        • Jan 22, 20142:38 am
          by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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          I was just talking sh#t…I just finished playing 2k14 and traded Monroe, Stuckey, and Jonas for Beal, Nene, and Rice…We played pretty good…I’m slowly opening to the idea of trading Monroe…Very slowly!..

  • Jan 22, 201411:24 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

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    I’d take Glen Rice Jr over Porter….i wonder how many of you have seen porter play? I felt like he was a mixture of hype and being a good college player…and that game against the cuses…but overall he just didn’t impress me in college…

    • Jan 22, 201412:42 pm
      by oats

      Reply

      I always take lottery picks who have done nothing over second round picks that have done nothing. In fact, Rice has arguably been worse in the minutes he’s gotten. He’s shooting .297 so far. He only needs to go 4 of 10 to catch Porter, but he has been a really awful shooter so far. At least Porter has the excuse of playing hurt all year. Rice hasn’t played since suffering his injury, so it doesn’t explain how poorly he’s played. Oh, and Porter’s 3 years younger. Taking Rice over Porter is kind of crazy.

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