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Detroit Pistons’ losing streak reaches season-worst five games, each defeat coming to losing team

Detroit Pistons 85 Final
Recap | Box Score
89 New York Knicks
Greg Monroe, PF Shot Chart 32 MIN | 8-15 FG | 3-4 FT | 7 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 19 PTS | -15

Monroe was strong offensively, taking advantage a New York frontline that, lacking Tyson Chandler, is pretty unimposing. Defensively, Monroe struggled, but that’s nothing new. He sat with seven minutes remaining in the game, returning in the final seconds only to get pushed under the basket as the Knicks offensively rebounded their own missed free throw to seal the game. If Maurice Cheeks re-inserted Josh Smith after the reserves helped Detroit’s comeback, why didn’t Monroe get a real second chance?

Josh Smith, SF Shot Chart 40 MIN | 6-14 FG | 8-9 FT | 12 REB | 5 AST | 3 STL | 2 BLK | 8 TO | 21 PTS | -8

For three quarters, Smith was horrific. He protected the ball as if it were covered in grease, coughing up eight turnovers, including seven live-ball giveaways. Smith got going late, scoring 13 of his points on five shots in the final 14:15 and defending better down the stretch. Carmelo Anthony and Mike Woodson helped Smith’s defensive turnaround, though. Anthony was giving Smith fits for much of the game, working off the ball on the perimeter and taking advantage of the Knicks’ strong ball movement. Late, the ball stagnated with Melo, and Smith is far too of a defender to struggle in those isolations. With 27 seconds left and the Pistons down only one after trailing by 17, Smith even took a charge on a Melo drive. But on the ensuing Detroit possession, after Jennings held the ball too long and erased much of the shot clock, Smith sized up Melo while also holding the ball too long and forced an airballed jumper. The possession, including the shot, was a mockery.

Andre Drummond, C Shot Chart 36 MIN | 4-8 FG | 4-6 FT | 17 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 12 PTS | -14

Drummond played brain-dead defense, and unfortunately, this was only one example. Still, his physical profile almost makes it difficult for him to have a really bad game. Because he’s so big and agile and strong and sure-handed, he beasted on the glass and scored effectively inside.

Brandon Jennings, PG Shot Chart 31 MIN | 2-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 5 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 5 PTS | -11

Jennings shot very poorly, though it seemed his baskets came when the team really needed them (which is meaningless, but was just how it felt). He had a couple nice passes too, but this was not a good distributing day for him. Ultimately, despite a couple fine flashes, he shoulders the blame for a game in which the Pistons had sustained offensive ineptitude. Jennings gambled far too much defensively, without defending his man much, to justify the result.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG Shot Chart 29 MIN | 1-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | -9

Caldwell-Pope’s lone basket was a fastbreak layup, and he was mostly invisible within the halfcourt offense. Caldwell-Pope defended fine, but Maurice Cheeks was giving Kyle Singler minutes at shooting guard just to keep Caldwell-Pope off the court.

Josh Harrellson, PF Shot Chart 1 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | 0

Harrellson entered the game only when Monroe got his second foul late in the first half. A guaranteed contract obviously doesn’t get you playing time.

Charlie Villanueva, PF Shot Chart 10 MIN | 2-6 FG | 1-2 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | +12

Villanueva, a DNP-CD regular, didn’t enter the game until the Pistons trailed big in the fourth quarter. Detroit cut into the deficit while he was on the court, but it wasn’t really because of him. Sure, he made a shot here, a good pass there. He wasn’t bad, but he definitely didn’t drive the comeback.

Kyle Singler, SF Shot Chart 30 MIN | 5-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 11 PTS | +13

Singler went after loose balls, helping his own offensive cause in the process, and hit a big 3-pointer late. Not bad, but if he’s going to make a push for the starting lineup, which I really think could happen soon, he needs to raise his game a bit.

Will Bynum, PG Shot Chart 23 MIN | 4-10 FG | 2-2 FT | 4 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 10 PTS | +7

The lobs to Drummond were nice. The rest was OK at best. This has sort of become a description of Bynum’s place on the team.

Chauncey Billups, SG Shot Chart 8 MIN | 0-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 0 PTS | +5

Billups is too far over the hill to make a habit of breaking off the offense to force his own shot, but he did it repeatedly tonight.

Maurice Cheeks

He took two timeouts within 1:40 of each other as the Knicks went on a 15-0 run in the third quarter. I guess Cheeks wanted to talk it over, but I didn’t see much change after the timeouts. When his team is struggling, Cheeks seems to have the philosophy of more intervention. More practices. More meetings. More timeouts. More, more, more. But is anything actually getting accomplished?

166 Comments

  • Jan 7, 201411:06 pm
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

    Reply

    Austin Daye is missed

    • Jan 7, 201411:34 pm
      by Otis

      Reply

      I know things literally couldn’t be worse, but please don’t say that.

      • Jan 8, 201412:46 am
        by Anthony J.

        Reply

        Otis I love your responses man! This one especially made me chuckle lol

        • Jan 8, 201412:49 am
          by Otis

          Reply

          Thanks for the love, my friend. Dan’s always trying to chase me out of here with his mean comments and GIFs of football players jacking off, but I’m just here to liven up another dreadful season, have a little fun, and spread the gospel that the team is doomed without some big changes.

      • Jan 8, 201410:37 am
        by hoophabit

        Reply

        OMG!  Of course things could be worse.  It’s a disappointing season, no doubt, but remember this stuff is just for “fun.”  ;-)

    • Jan 8, 201412:44 am
      by Anthony J.

      Reply

      Love the name !
       

  • Jan 7, 201411:17 pm
    by seenable

    Reply

    This team is a dumpster fire right now.

  • Jan 7, 201411:19 pm
    by Brandon Knight

    Reply

    Why everyone blaming Smith for?
    First of all he played well. He filled the stat sheet. 
    Second: On the last play, he had no choice but to shoot it. You guys are whining like if he had an open lane to the basket. The clock was winding down, the paint was crowded, and he was guarded pretty well by Carmelo.
    Third: We lost the damn game because we couldn’t get a simple offensive rebound. What the hell were Monroe and Drummond thinking when they went up to get that rebound.?? We the chance to tie it or win. 
    ———–
    Time for Dumars to make trade. Seriously the Pistons fans had enough. Why can’t he at least try to acquire a star like Carmelo.??
    There is no way we are going to resign Monroe. The front-court experiment failed! So there is no reason to resign him. Why not trade him now and get something in return before he leaves and we got nothing. 
    Advise: stop thinking about Smith, he is not going anywhere!

    • Jan 7, 201411:24 pm
      by Shash

      Reply

      But who could we possibly get for Monroe? There isn’t a whole lot on the market.

      • Jan 7, 201411:38 pm
        by Otis

        Reply

        1) They should have traded him this summer. This was clear to anyone whose head wasn’t in the clouds.
         
        2) You can get something good for him. A first round pick if need be. It can be done. I’d rather ship this damn team to Seattle than give that slug a bloated contract and look at his sleepy face shrug off an endless string of losses in post-game interviews with no sense of urgency whatsoever. I just wish we’d done it before the season, but the worst thing we could ever do is wait past the deadline to do it.

        • Jan 7, 201411:50 pm
          by Dan Feldman

          Reply

          “You can get something good for him. A first round pick if need be.”

          What is the best team you would accept a first-round pick from in exchange for Monroe?

          • Jan 7, 201411:55 pm
            by Otis

            Hm. Something right in the middle would be acceptable, preferably with at least a serviceable wing player to fill out the rotation with someone who can, I dunno, hit an open jumpshot. It would be nice to have a guy like that.
             
            But most of all, as I’ve said in the past, the worst thing this team could ever do is extend the guy, so avoiding that is priority numero uno. That’s Spanish for “priority number one.” We extend him and the world ends. So yeah, avoid that and it’s a win. But I’ve been saying since last season that they need to trade the guy because you can’t build around two centers. So the price keeps falling, but that’s not my fault. I would have traded him this summer at the absolute latest.

          • Jan 8, 201412:32 am
            by Dan Feldman

            So letting him walk is preferable to re-signing him?

          • Jan 8, 201412:46 am
            by Otis

            I have said this before, and I stand by it: If given the choice between matching a bloated $60ish million contract or letting him walk for nothing, this would be a VERY hard decision for me. This team as presently constructed is an absolute horror, and locking up Moose to play him primarily out of position is going to be bad for the team, bad for his value, bad all around. Arguably as bad as subtracting him and getting nothing in return. And even if we all know he’s still a one-way center who could theoretically earn that money in the right system (but certainly not here), you’ll have to trade him from a position of abject weakness. You have a bad team that will DESPERATELY need a trade, and that’s not a good position to start from. So you’ll have an unusually hard time moving him for value, and you’ll have to take back similar money in contracts. Knowing that Drummond is the future and Smith is basically unmovable, I would never in a million years put myself in the position of making that kind of financial commitment to Monroe. You’ll never get anywhere near fair value, and worst of all you’ll be forced to take back a bunch of money attached to God-knows-what. So yeah, it’s a nightmare either way.
             
            That’s why it couldn’t possibly be an easier decision than to let the 29 other GMs know he’s available and get as much as you can with him while you’re still in a position of strength and have unlimited flexibility in terms of what contracts you move along with his and how much money you take back. Could not possibly be easier.
             
            Again, I would have moved him this summer. I might have even moved him as early as last year’s trade deadline, but people were so anxious to see how he and Drummond DON’T fit together, so now that the results are in and you can’t build around two centers and you have Smith who might at the very least combine with Drummond to form a solid paint protecting duo (*gasp* a potential identity!) trading him by the deadline is the only sensible option. So I’ll take what I can get, but I really do think we could get a nice package. Not sure what it is, but I’m sure it would be nice.

          • Jan 8, 201412:52 am
            by Dan Feldman

            Why does Monroe’s trade value suddenly fall off a cliff if the Pistons’ re-sign him? Wouldn’t any team that trades for him now understand it would have to pay him this summer to keep him? Is four of months of Monroe a rookie contract really that valuable?

          • Jan 8, 201412:52 am
            by Otis

            One more thing: If we renounce Stuckey, CV and Moose, we’d be $20 mil under the cap. I genuinely think I prefer that flexibility to add a SF than locking up Moose in a position where the team is going to suck and his value only goes down. I’m not 100% on it because this team can’t really afford to subtract talent right now, but yeah I would probably lose sleep over the decision whether to match a max offer.

          • Jan 8, 20141:04 am
            by Otis

            1) A team that trades for him now would in all likelihood plan on retaining him, but I truly believe the trade would be a separate transaction from later matching an offer sheet. Also, this team could perhaps make it abundantly clear that they would match any offer and scare other teams off. I think leaguewide perception is that maybe Joe wouldn’t match any offer. I don’t know what GMs think, but there are a lot of people out there who think Joe isn’t in love with Moose. God knows we don’t NEED Moose, and Joe’s public comments have focused more on the kid’s lack of development on defense than anything. But most importantly, I think GMs and fans consider this a separate transaction from re-signing a RFA. It’s like the Tayshaun trade. Calderon walked away for nothing, but that didn’t stop Joe from making the move to bring him here, and most people liked that trade. If you can come out at the deadline and hold up a guy like Greg to your fanbase, that’s something. Then worry about the next bridge when you have to cross it. It’s short-sighted, but I think this is how many GMs operate. God knows Dumars would do anything in his power to make a quick improvement at the deadline, even if all it did was earn him a contract extension to continue being useless.
             
            2) You’re giving a team a window to audition him. For what it’s worth, this would definitely make a team more comfortable with handing him all that money. And the GM who takes him could possibly hold out hope that if it doesn’t work out, he might be able to sign-and-trade him to at least salvage a little something. Obviously if Monroe signs an offer sheet with a team under the cap, they have no S&T options, but it’s at least within the realm of possibility.
             
            3) I have come to the firm conclusion that Drummond-Smith-Monroe will never work. I haven’t even the slightest interest in giving them one more minute together to see if they can develop chemistry. I didn’t think Monroe-Drummond would work, even if you surrounded them at all times with three shooters. You can’t build around two centers, you just have to get what you can for one of them and build around the other. With that said, I see no advantage in attaching a shitload of money to someone who is not going to take this team anywhere when you’re already committed to guys who he doesn’t fit with. To me the question is what do you have to gain by paying the man? This isn’t going to work. You’re just begging for an injury or another locker room collapse, and his value is going nowhere but down. That’s all.

          • Jan 8, 20141:17 am
            by Dan Feldman

            1. The Calderon trade does not apply at all, because the Pistons dumped a bad contract to get an expiring deal. Monroe is not going to be traded just for his expiring contract.

            As you said, any team that has Monroe after the deadline plans to re-sign him. That’s obvious.

            AND IT INCLUDES THE PISTONS. If the Pistons still have Monroe after the deadline, that’s a STRONG indicator they plan to match any offer for him. It applies as much to them as any team that trades for him.

            2. The Pistons would have just as much ability to sign-and-trade Monroe this summer as a that trades for him. Maybe even more, because Detroit will have cap space, giving them more flexibility.

            3. What do you gain by paying him? A longer window to make a good trade. What if the Pistons don’t get a good offer before the deadline? If you re-sign him, his value remains about the same, though slightly less because those four months of rookie salary are up. Trading him before the trade deadline makes sense only if another team makes a good offer. If another team doesn’t, there’s no reason the Pistons can’t re-sign Monroe and trade him later.

          • Jan 8, 20142:05 am
            by Otis

            1) Well, it’s certainly not quite a “doesn’t apply at all” situation. I mean, the Pistons were very clear that they wanted to keep him. They even outwardly contrasted it with the Maggette trade to illustrate that it wasn’t a salary dump. Also, for many reasons, not the least of which that he was a CRUCIAL piece of a major trade, and that he was easily traded in the second year of that extension, Tayshaun’s contract was never particularly bad. It was time to move on, and we were all sick of him (and I’m still a fan but one who accepted that it was time to move on) but that’s not a terrible contract. What, seven and a half mil for four years? We bent over backwards and dumped a precious first round pick for the HONOR of bringing Josh Smith here for twice that much. So yeah. You’re telling me we were itching to be rid of that Tayshaun contract so we could replace him with Smith at twice the price? I think it’s a neutral contract and nowhere near as bad as people thought when he got it. And again, I didn’t like the decision to bring him back, but I never thought it was a bad contract and it was EASILY moved, which basically proves that it can’t have been that bad.
             
            You’re definitely right that if they keep him past the deadline they probably want to keep him for eternity (God help us all) but let’s not forget that if they keep him and continue this shit show, it means they’re trying to make a meaningless push for the playoffs. They probably think at some point the team is going to jell, and/or they just don’t want to risk setting the team even further back by disrupting chemistry (if we can even call it that, which we can’t) and if the season ends in disappointment, all bets are off. Joe gets the axe, and who knows what becomes of Moose. So no, I don’t think keeping him is as strong an endorsement of our faith in him as a team would be showing by going and giving up resources to get him. And he’s just plain less valuable to us than he is to basically anyone else, as he’s our second best center and can’t play with Drummond.
             
            2) I know they would, and I know it’s a very slim shot that anyone could ever execute a successful sign-and-trade for him. However, I presented this as a sort of long shot hope a GM might hold out. You know, one of those little lies we tell ourselves to justify our actions. But my point #1 stands that this would be a SEPARATE transaction from acquiring him. You’re trying to make a playoff push, you bring in Monroe to man the middle. Then you try to keep him after the season is over. Teams make these kinds of moves all the time that don’t end up working in the long run. Philly gave up Andre Iguodala (and I think someone else too) to have Andrew Bynum for one season and it was an unmitigated disaster. But the GM went for it. GMs do crazy things, and picking up a 16 & 8 center for a reasonable price isn’t all that crazy.
             
            3) Maybe they can trade him later, maybe they can’t. Again, I would have been shopping him for a full calendar year by now, but unfortunately my name isn’t Joe Dumars. I already said that giving him all that money and locking up a core of players who CANNOT succeed together is only going to weaken the position from which you’re dealing. You’ll have no leverage at all, and the more time he spends in a losing scenario the less value he’ll have. At this point, you can look a GM in the face and say: “Hey, we love Greg. We’d love to keep him. He’s the best. But we’re thinking about going in another direction if we can get the right offer.” A year from now, it’s going to be painfully obvious that the team MUST move him. We’ll have no leverage whatsoever. Maybe you can get value, maybe not. But especially given the cheap production he can offer for the next few months, right now I’m sure you can get good value. Maybe not equal value, but his value isn’t going anywhere but down. And again, did you read the part where I pointed out how glorious our flexibility is right now? We can literally put together a package that lets us absorb absolutely any player under the cap. CV, Stuckey, Gigi, Jonas, Bynum. We can theoretically take back any player on any contract, including rookie deals. If we wait, we’ll have to take back $13ish mil and god only knows what it’ll be attached to. If you’re resigned to the fact that Monroe isn’t going to work here with these other guys, I don’t see the point in dragging out the process of trading him. At all.

          • Jan 8, 20145:40 am
            by Dan Feldman

            Prince is one of the worst starters in the NBA now. The Pistons dumped him just in time. That trade would have been helpful even if Calderon never played for them and never considered re-signing. That he did and did was a bonus.

            Any blind trade idea from a fan that relies on the other GM just being stupid is a dumb trade idea. I’m not entertaining that further.

            “Maybe they can trade him later.” Thank you. Now shut up about Feb. 20 being an absolute deadline for the Pistons to do something. If the Pistons don’t have any good offers by then, their team won’t slip in decay if they don’t make a lousy trade.

          • Jan 8, 20143:56 pm
            by Huddy

            @otis you yourself point out that the chances of a team acquiring Monroe based on the rest of this contract are very slim and yet continue to repeat that Monroe “might” be tradeable after the extension.  Do you realize you are offering any reason  for why Monroe goes from easily moveable for a first round pick and solid wing….to possibly tradeable?  How do the pistons look any more desperate after an extension than now and how do they have any leverage anyway?  a trade now looks just as panicky and desperate as later (less panicky similarly desperate).  There’s no leverage now because other teams can bid the pistons into a max contract and/or trade after his next contract anyway.  There is no leverage.  now or in July the pistons will be moving a player that anyone can tell they need to move and will be desperate regardless.  
             
             
            Same player
            Same contract 
            Same value
            I hope they find a good trade now, but I certainly wouldn’t be happier with a bad trade earlier because Monroe inexplicably losses all value in July.
            no one with valuable first round picks is making much of a playoff push.

    • Jan 7, 201411:47 pm
      by Dan Feldman

      Reply

      “Time for Dumars to make trade. Seriously the Pistons fans had enough. Why can’t he at least try to acquire a star like Carmelo.??”

      How do you know what Dumars is trying to do?

      • Jan 7, 201411:52 pm
        by Otis

        Reply

        Sweet mother of Yaweh, you can’t possibly be defending Joe Dumars. I’m… I just… you can’t be doing that. It’s not possible. I’m… You’ve rendered me speechless. God damn, I’m speechless. I don’t even have a word to type. Nothing. Not one syllable. Imagine that: ME! Speechless! Without even so much as a word to say. I don’t even believe it. Speechless me.
         
        Totally speechless.
         
        Yes, let’s all jump to the defense of Joe Dumars, who has done so much in the past five years to lead this team in the right direction. I’m at a total loss for words. Speechless beyond belief. Totally, entirely, 100%, completely speechless.

        • Jan 8, 201412:07 am
          by Dan Feldman

          Reply

          “I’m at a total loss for words. Speechless beyond belief. Totally, entirely, 100%, completely speechless.”

          Thank, God

          • Jan 8, 201412:25 am
            by Otis

            I know, right? I’m trying to come up with words but I can’t. I just can’t. Speech. Less.

          • Jan 8, 20142:05 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            You know those arrangements of letters that you type out? Some of us call those words.

  • Jan 7, 201411:22 pm
    by Shash

    Reply

    Little to no chance of this happening, but Dumars should do anything he can to persuade Melo to sign here. If not, trade everyone but Drummond and start over.

    • Jan 8, 20142:14 am
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

      Reply

      If we got Melo I would be ecstatic. Unless your down to trade a couple of 1st rounders, I can’t figure out a logical way to get him though.

  • Jan 7, 201411:26 pm
    by Smitty

    Reply

    Doomed for the foreseeable future.

    • Jan 7, 201411:33 pm
      by Otis

      Reply

      Wish it weren’t so. All hope dies on February 20th.

      • Jan 7, 201411:37 pm
        by Smitty

        Reply

        I read this on Hoopsrumors

        The Pistons aren’t sure whether they should be buyers or sellers at the deadline, according to league sources. They had playoff expectations entering the season after adding Josh SmithBrandon Jennings and Chauncey Billups among others, but they have struggled early on. Within the organization, it sounds like there are some people who want to be buyers in order to ensure a playoff berth, but there are also some who don’t believe the pieces fit together very well and think Detroit should sell.

        • Jan 7, 201411:39 pm
          by Smitty

          Reply

          I don’t really understand the BUYING or SELLING. How about just make some changes. Trade Monroe CV Stuckey and they actually might get better depending upon who they get in return.
           

          • Jan 7, 201411:48 pm
            by Otis

            This doesn’t seem to be responsive to anything in this thread, but maybe you’re referencing the article I just read where (FINALLY, for the first time all season) someone’s reporting that the Stones are likely to make moves at the deadline. Buyers generally mortgage off the future (picks and prospects) to add established veteran talent and make a playoff push. This is what the Pistons should NOT do, especially considering they have very little in the way of picks/prospects to offer. They already dumped their first round pick like complete assholes. Sellers will trade established veterans who will help someone else win in the long run, and in return they get picks and prospects to build on for the future. This is absolutely 100% what the Pistons need to do, and they’ve needed to do it for like five years running. Even if seven games below .500 is good for a playoff spot in the wretched eastern conference, your team is still garbage and the season is just another waste. So that’s buying and selling, and even if the team had picks and prospects to mortgage off, they should still be sellers. Sell Stuckey, sell Monroe, try to sell Charlie and anyone else not named Drummond (realistically, Smith and Jennings probably aren’t going anywhere, and that’s fine by me).

          • Jan 8, 201412:05 am
            by Otis

            ^This was a replyfail meant for Smitty, if that wasn’t obvious.

          • Jan 8, 201412:18 am
            by Jodi aka "The Guru"

            If we trade a pick it’ll more than likely be protected…I think we’re going to go after E. Gordon(taking a big-time gamble) or Wesley Mathews…We’re not trading Monroe, I guarantee it…I would love to hear who Otis thinks we’ll target…

          • Jan 8, 201412:30 am
            by Brigs

            Could u point out that article u read where it says we might make some moves ?

          • Jan 8, 201412:05 am
            by Smitty

            Call it selling or whatever you want. I say trading Monroe for Harward, or a wing wouldn’t be selling or buying. I think that’s called trading. That’s what I’m trying to say. I guess selling Stuckey would be good, or you could package him with monroe and get love? Just saying it doesn’t have to be either or.

          • Jan 8, 201412:15 am
            by Otis

            I’m bracing for my third replyfail in a row (thinking it’s a site glitch if that’s the case), but some trades are just trades. It’s just uncommon. For instance, if we traded Monroe for Hayward it’s probably one of those rare “lateral” trades. (However, there’s the big advantage that I don’t think Hayward is going to attract the kind of offers Monroe likely will, so chances are you can keep him around for maybe 30% less money or something.) It just so happens that most trades are between one team who’s decided it’s not their season and trades a “win-now” player to another team in exchange for assets, cap relief, etc. Like the Deng-Bynum trade that just went down between the Cavs and Bulls. It’s much rarer to see teams swap relatively equal levels of talent, especially if we’re talking about major pieces.

          • Jan 8, 201412:24 am
            by Smitty

            Who in the fuck would trade another 1st round pick for E gordon?

          • Jan 8, 201412:39 am
            by Jodi aka "The Guru"

            If we get E. Gordon I don’t think we’ll send off a 1st round pick…For starters, Jonas will definitely be in the package since his contract has another year left…Stuckey and Charlie V will probably be included as well…
            Jennings/Gordon/Smith/Monroe/Drummond looks like a deadly lineup…We’ll be taking a huge gamble on Gordon…Hopefully Arnie could keep him healthy…

          • Jan 8, 201412:43 am
            by Smitty

            Sorry let me put it this way. Who would trade for E Gordon period? His contract and injury history both suck.

          • Jan 8, 201412:58 am
            by Jodi aka "The Guru"

            @Smitty: Who do you think we should go after??.

          • Jan 8, 20141:08 am
            by Otis

            @Smitty: Jodi would, that’s who. And that’s all you need to know about him. Engage him in conversation and your brain cells will secede from your skull.

          • Jan 8, 20141:24 am
            by Smitty

            Hayward, Barnes, Affalo, Rondo, Leonard, Derozan. Idk not Gordon, Stuckey is pretty much just as good on an expiring deal. Honestly i would be looking to move Monroe, Jerebko, CV,Stuckey. KCP maybe. I guess Bynum if anyone would want him. Mitchell and Siva if needed as throw ins.

          • Jan 8, 201410:56 am
            by jamesjones_det

            You are assuming there are “buyers” that are willing to take CV, Stuckey and/Monroe and “sell” something that makes this team better.  If there are no “buyers” we should be “sellers” in my opinion because this team as it’s built doesn’t work.

          • Jan 8, 201410:59 am
            by jamesjones_det

            I’m not sure what all this talk about sending a first round pick to anyone is about.  Teams can not trade their picks if they owe a pick per league rules.  The Pistons can’t offer a first round pick to anyone.

        • Jan 8, 20141:23 am
          by Jodi aka "The Guru"

          Reply

          Lol, all Otis can do is attack but he can’t ever share his ideas on who he thinks we’ll target in a trade…I think I bullied you on RealGM a couple of months ago, maybe that’s why you seem so defensive towards me…Aaawww, poor baby…

          • Jan 8, 20141:54 am
            by PistonFanSinceDay1

            Dammit Jodi, admit you had sex with Otis’s girlfriend already! I want next

  • Jan 7, 201411:32 pm
    by Otis

    Reply

    A few things. For one, it’s funny how solid our “Big Three” look in the box score of a pathetic loss to a bad team that played a sloppy, undisciplined game. If this doesn’t tell you we need a BIG trade or two, I don’t know what would.
     
    Monroe gets too big a pass here for how bad he was after a strong start. He was very effective out of the gate, but BOY is he predictable and easy to defend when the other team concentrates. He was insanely ineffective during that big stretch where New York took over. Andrea Bargnani, not exactly a defensive stalwart, did that cool thing where he basically lets Monroe get by him and then forces a miss (don’t remember if it was a block exactly) from behind. Rebounds ripped out of his hands. That explosive block ‘Melo got on him (and taunted him a little). Greg Monroe is a walking “C.” If you expect him to shoulder the load, you’re going to be a loser forever. And all the stuff he did that was actually effective was never spectacular. Amir Johnson could do everything he did tonight and more. Get rid of him already.
     
    Meanwhile, this is absurdly hard on Smith by comparison, as usual. It’s downright egregious in this case. He didn’t have a great game, but he got THREE points per shot attempt and scored two more points than Moose on ONE FEWER shot attempts! Plus five more rebounds, two blocks and three steals to Monroe’s one. As for the turnovers, he had eight to go along with five assists. That’s three more turnovers than assists, SAME AS MOOSE. Plus he had the toughest defensive assignment, even if he didn’t do a very good job on ‘Melo. But that wasn’t for a lack of effort, unlike Monroe’s D. The thing is, somebody on this team has to step up and TRY to win the game. I’d rather see Smith bust his ass, take 20 shots and miss them all (and God knows he was much, much better than that tonight) than watch Moose stand at the elbow like a lump, REFUSE to add a jumper to his game, end generally defer. Greg Monroe has no heart. He is a born loser. There, I said it.
     
    Also, nowhere near the credit Charlie deserved for being a surprising boost off the bench after basically collecting dust all season. I was completely dumbfounded when he was inserted in the fourth out of absolutely nowhere in a winnable game, but I’ll be damned if he didn’t look alright to me. I’m no Charlie V fan, but I don’t think this is even a contest without his contributions tonight.
     
    Other than that, bang-up job on the game recap.

    • Jan 7, 201411:38 pm
      by Brandon Knight

      Reply

      Also Drummond and Smith played well together while Monroe was on the bench!! the whole team played better when Monroe was on the bench!

      • Jan 7, 201411:44 pm
        by Otis

        Reply

        Yup. I’ll buy that. Monroe and his bullshit isolayshaun lifestyle can take a hike. Do let the door hit you on the way out, you sleepy eyed wretch.

      • Jan 8, 201412:15 am
        by Trout Jefferson

        Reply

        You mean when the Pistons went on a run to cut the lead from 17 to 8 and ultimately lost by 4?
        That run came while Monroe was still on the floor.
        Whoops. 

      • Jan 8, 201412:46 am
        by Jodi aka "The Guru"

        Reply

        @Brandon Knight: How can you say that?..We lost the game…It doesn’t matter who was in the game, who took the last shot, who missed or made free throws…At the end of the day, we still lost the dang game…

    • Jan 7, 201411:42 pm
      by Otis

      Reply

      I’m just going to say it again because it bears repeating: Dan, you need to take a serious look in the mirror when it comes to your assessment of Monroe vs. Smith in this game. Smith had a significantly better game and was an absolute plus for the team. Monroe had a neutral effect at absolute best.

    • Jan 7, 201411:51 pm
      by Kamal

      Reply

      People see what they want to see. It’s pretty obvious that Monroe can do nothing right in your eyes. But to act like Smith’s turnovers and his dick measuring contest against Melo, which he clearly lost, weren’t the reason why we lost this game is ridiculous. 

      • Jan 7, 201411:58 pm
        by Otis

        Reply

        There is no way you could think Moose had a better game than Smith. That’s my point. If you disagree, then may Christ have mercy on us all. I didn’t COMPLETELY blast Monroe’s game. He was effective for a stretch, like he usually is before teams figure out how one-dimensional and predictable and easy to defend he is. Smith had the superior game. It doesn’t matter by how much, really. It just matters that 100% of people who know what basketball is would agree Smith had a better game than Monroe. Even if they thought he was only a teensy bit better. He was definitely better.

        • Jan 8, 201412:06 am
          by Kamal

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          How did they figure him out? He had 19 with 7 minutes left in the fourth? You act like he got shut down. I think he shot 8-15 From the field. Just what the hell are you talking about?
           
          and I don’t care who had the better game, Smith is the reason why we lost tonight.

          • Jan 8, 201412:31 am
            by Otis

            You must not have watched the game. There came a clear point where he was completely ineffective. Several possessions in close proximity where he was blocked, turned it over, just plain missed. We went to him, but he came up short. If I didn’t delete the game from my DVR I’d go back and give you the exact play-by-play.

          • Jan 8, 20141:19 am
            by Kamal

            Otis, I saw the same game you saw – only I wasn’t looking at it through my “I hate Monroe” glasses.  That “clear point” where Monroe was completely ineffective came in the 3rd quarter from 8:14 until 2:54 when Cheeks pulled him out.  That was a bad stretch for Monroe, I’ll admit.  But here’s something you probably missed as well.  During that stretch:
            Monroe                                 Smith
            Missed a lay up                     Missed a 24 ft 3 pointer
            Traveled                               Got the ball stolen by Shumpert
            Got the ball stolen by Melo     Got the ball stolen by Melo
             
            But, “clearly” Monroe was the one who was ineffective.

          • Jan 8, 20142:19 am
            by Otis

            Yeah it was clear. What’s also clear is that Joshua J. Smith is locked up tighter than Fort Knox and not going anywhere. You can’t trade Smith, friend. He can’t be traded. Monroe CAN. And SHOULD. If I could undo the Josh Smith contract with a magical wand of some sort, I would. But I can’t. So given that he’s here to stay, that he’s best suited to play power forward, that Drummond is our best center and the only franchise quality prospect we have, and that these three big men obviously aren’t a recipe for success, I accept that Monroe needs to be traded for this team to have a future. Why make a fuss about it? Why harp on Smith? He got paid, dude. He got paid so many moneys. He may as well sprout roots and plant himself on the Palace floor. That’s how entrenched he is. So why harp on the guy? Harp on the loser who can be traded for talent, not the loser who’s going to be here for a very long time no matter what.

          • Jan 8, 20146:28 am
            by jg22

            Thats BS man. Blaming the loss on Smith who was instrumental in the comeback in the 4th and helped put us in position to even have a chance to win, is BS.
             
            Monroe, conversely, was nowhere to found during our 4th qtr comeback, because he got benched for Charlie V for playing like crap. Not only did Smith have a better game than Monroe. So did CV. If not for him coming on in the 4th this would’ve been another blowout.
             
            Monroe had a chance this game to help us win and the only thing he helped us do is get down 17 pts. Then we had to take him out just to have a chance to get back in the game. Which we did with Smith on the court. If that doesn’t tell you who was more responsible for the loss, I don’t know what to tell you. Obviously Monroe did more to help us lose, and Smith was actually out there giving us a chance to win in the 4th, so…
             

      • Jan 8, 201412:01 am
        by Vic

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        Josh Smith has 1 efficient game where he still manages to airball the game winning “long two” (game was won if he got to the paint and hit 2 free throws) and all the sudden he’s more efficient than GMonroe who played 8 less minutes tonight but more been more efficient for THE WHOLE SEASON AND LAST YEAR!
        Lol at these people 

        • Jan 8, 20142:23 am
          by Otis

          Reply

          Vic, sweetheart, all this little tantrum of yours has accomplished is in confirming the fact that in this one game Smith was more useful than Moose. Nobody is talking about the season here, champ. We’re talking about one game where Smith was better than Monroe but was graded on an anti-Smith curve. Nobody is going to argue that Smith has had a more efficient season, amigo. Literally nobody is saying that.

    • Jan 8, 201412:03 am
      by Dan Feldman

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      “ he got THREE points per shot attempt”

      Great calculating, Archimedes

      • Jan 8, 201412:33 am
        by Otis

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        Dan, I wasn’t showing off my math skills there. Just pointing out decent shooting from a guy who gets a lot of shit for taking bad shots. And it’s mostly deserved, but he didn’t have a bad game tonight. I’m not even a damn Smith fan, I’m just sick of how much shit he gets for being put in a losing situation that plays to all of his weaknesses and negates all of his strengths.

    • Jan 8, 201412:12 am
      by Dan Feldman

      Reply

      “Meanwhile, this is absurdly hard on Smith by comparison, as usual. It’s downright egregious in this case. He didn’t have a great game, but he got THREE points per shot attempt and scored two more points than Moose on ONE FEWER shot attempts!”

      Smith used 26 possessions and scored 21 points. Monroe used 20 possessions and scored 19 points. If only you could divide to determine which is better.

      • Jan 8, 201412:29 am
        by Brandon Knight

        Reply

        It’s not just about the points, Dan. 
        Smith
        12 REB | 5 AST | 3 STL | 2 BLK |
        Monroe
        7 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK
         

        • Jan 8, 201412:36 am
          by Otis

          Reply

          Dan doesn’t care. He’s just obviously being biased, gave absurd grades, and he’s being a baby about it. Look at the way he talks to me. It’s uncivil.
           
          Note how it’s “26 possessions and 21 points” when he had five assists that directly resulted in a bare minimum of ten additional points. He’s twisting the info to defend his unfair grades and just generally being a baby. It’s his site and what he says goes. So there! Harumph.

          • Jan 8, 201412:46 am
            by Brandon Knight

            So lets subtract: Smith had (2 points 5 rebound 5 assists 2 steals and 2 blocks) more than Monroe.
            Dan I think you need a third eye to figure out who was the better player!!

          • Jan 8, 201412:54 am
            by Dan Feldman

            If only stats perfectly covered everything that happened in the game

          • Jan 8, 20141:14 am
            by Otis

            I’m the last guy here who’s going to say stats tell the whole story. I watched this game wire to wire. Smith had the better game. To me it wasn’t even close. At least he’s TRYING to push this team to the finish line. Monroe defers and defers and defers and gets shots blocked and gives postgame interviews where it’s clear he’s 100% comfortable with losing and has no sense of urgency whatsoever. If he was a winner he would have put this team on his back at some point by now. Honestly.

          • Jan 8, 20141:21 am
            by Kamal

            Has Smith put this team on HIS back yet?  Monroe’s the loser so I see why he hasn’t.  But Smith?  What’s his excuse?  Wait, I already know the answer to that.  It’s Monroe’s fault.  My bad.

          • Jan 8, 20142:26 am
            by Otis

            Smith got paid, dearie. He literally doesn’t have to do anything for the rest of his life but get fat and enjoy spending Tom Gores’ money. That mistake is made. Bought and paid for. Every penny guaranteed. No sense crying about it. Josh Smith could commit a rape and he’s still not going away. The mistake of extending Monroe’s contract has not been made yet, so best to acknowledge that they’re both losers and you’d rather have one deadbeat loser collecting tens of millions of dollars to lose games than two of them. Monroe has everything to prove. Smith doesn’t have to prove anything except that he knows how to cash a FAT paycheck. Life’s not fair. Cry about it.

    • Jan 8, 201412:57 am
      by Anthony J.

      Reply

      Sign me up as the leader of the otis fan club! Lol but anyways. Otis has a lot of good points 

    • Jan 8, 201410:10 am
      by sebastian

      Reply

      Otis wrote: A few things. For one, it’s funny how solid our “Big Three” look in the box score of a pathetic loss to a bad team that played a sloppy, undisciplined game. If this doesn’t tell you we need a BIG trade or two, I don’t know what would.
      That does it for me, too, Otis. Note: Josh (8) and Moose (3) had eleven t/o. Josh is currently averaging 2.5 t/o per game, while Moose is giving it away 2.3 times per game.
      It is not working.

  • Jan 7, 201411:49 pm
    by Vince

    Reply

    Ermagherd guyz Muuse suxs, we shuld trade hiem for a 2rd rate player becuz Smiff is the futere of this franchyse. Can’t u cee? Smiff iz just 2cool4detroit and hee wil pley so much battar when Munrow iz goan. 
     
    Christ guys, how on earth does Josh Smith have fans in Detroit? How does Smith get a C+ for this game? How does anyone in their right mind trade Monroe? And for what? Seriously, bring me a plausible scenario which benefits both teams, hint, you won’t because unless Smith is involved, this team is going to suck for the forseeable future.

    • Jan 7, 201411:56 pm
      by Vic

      Reply

      Because they have the same intelligence as Josh Smiths shot selection.

    • Jan 8, 201412:04 am
      by Otis

      Reply

      Glad you’re not in charge, Vinny my boy. At least we’ve got that going for us.
       
      Smith got paid, playa. He’s here to stay. Moose we can get away from if we have any sense at all. If it were the other way around, I’d say the same crap about him, but he’s PAAIIIDD my man and he’s not going anywhere. If there’s no God, we’ll overpay Moose too and be doomed to suck forever. Then you’ll be happy.

      • Jan 8, 20141:29 am
        by Vince

        Reply

        If the NBA has taught me anything, its that no contract is untradeable, and to answer your questions yes, I’d rather we overpay Monroe – a player with great work ethic, from a great college system, with consistent displays of talent and potential at a position which is hard to fill – than overpay (and overpay we did) our current FA acquisition Josh Smith – who already had a shitty reputation, shoddy shot selection, no inkling of improvement, no consistency and no heart.
         
        No worries though, playa, because in your world, it makes sense to trade away the better player to keep the shitty one with a larger contract. Totally understand that logic (I really don’t).
         
        I’m actually unhappy I’m not in charge, at this point I’d reckon anyone with common sense (ie: people who’d rather deal Smith and keep Moose) would do better than Joe is, this team is currently a giant clusterf*ck and its a combination of multiple things (starting with management, and multiple poor offseason moves), the biggest one being our supposedly “All-Star” forward who plays defense when it pleases him and whose offense relies on jacking up shots whenever he feels like it. So yeah, sure, trade Monroe, then realise how much shittier this already shitty team will become. Smith is being Smith, Moose or no Moose he isn’t going to change, so if you’re willing to live through another three or more years of crappy Detroit basketball then be my guest, keep Smith, have him, he’s all yours.

        • Jan 8, 20142:34 am
          by Otis

          Reply

          LOL it’s not an either-or, amigo. Smith is paid. You can’t transfer his contract to Greg. I wouldn’t have paid Smith, but he’s paid. It’s a done deal. Signed, sealed, delivered every other week via direct deposit. So given that Smith is here to stay and Drummond ain’t going anywhere, you’ll lock up Greg Monroe and guarantee you’re awful forever.
           
          Also, Smith is going to make LESS money than Greg. You can bet on that. If Demarcus Cousins set the bar at like 62 mil over four years, that’s what Greg is going to be worth to someone who needs a young center (pssst we don’t. We have one named Drummond and we’ve already seen that they don’t fit together). That’s an average of 2 mil more per year than Smith makes. Moose’s contract will start at Smith’s level and go up incrementally until it’s like 16.5 mil if I remember correctly.
           
          News flash to those of you living in dream land: This team sucked dicks WITHOUT Smith at roughly the same rate as they suck dicks WITH him. So even if you could dump him for nothing, you’re right back where you were last season. Losing 50 games and sucking dicks for a living. Sounds like paradise, I know, but I’d rather trade Monroe for pieces who can actually take this team somewhere other than a whorehouse where we have to suck dicks 82 times a year. Hey, maybe that’s just me. Maybe you think Monroe and Drummond are suddenly going to develop complementary skillsets, but here in the real world, when you put them together it’s just sucking dicks and losing basketball games.

          • Jan 8, 20144:51 pm
            by oats

            We all know that over paid players with bad reputations never get moved. That’s why Andrea Bargnani and Rudy Gay are Raptors right this second. Wait a minute, no they aren’t. I wouldn’t expect all that good of a return, but Smith theoretically could be moved. There are a couple teams that are desperate to win now, and one of them might be convinced it’s worth taking on the gamble that they can get something from Smith if he goes back to playing PF.
             
            Wouldn’t Brooklyn at least consider moving Garnett or Pierce for him so Detroit could get out of his deal sooner? I think they may have had a backup plan of making a run at Melo in free agency either this year or next, so they might not do it. That said, this Nets team clearly wants to win and moving one of the old guys would help them do it this year. Or Smith and JJ to the Knicks for Amare? The Knicks might be desperate enough to let Detroit add Bynum and get back Hardaway Jr. I don’t actually understand what Sacramento is doing, but the fact that they are so confusing means they would probably consider Smith for Thornton and Thompson. This deal makes no sense for Sacramento, but the vast majority of their trades and draft picks have made no sense lately.
             
            I don’t think Smith is likely to get Detroit something all that useful, but if Detroit just wants to rid themselves of him then that should be possible.

  • Jan 8, 201412:03 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

    Reply

    I don’t even care no more…..looks like we’ll be fight for an 8th seed just to get swept by the heat or pacers 

    • Jan 8, 201412:44 am
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

      Reply

      Don’t give up this early…

  • Jan 8, 201412:04 am
    by JYD for Life

    Reply

    For once I agree with Dan…
    Otis – 2 blocks and 3 steals doesn’t mean that Smith played anything close to “good” defense. 
    Also – within your “drivel” I noticed you said the Pistons should be accumulating draft picks and young assets.  However, it was you who replied to my post earlier stating that there are only 15 roster spots and they all can’t be used for prospects…eventually you need solid veterans surrounding those prospects.  
    Make up your mind, clown.  
    If you hate this organization so much, why do you spend so much time on these message boards? 

    • Jan 8, 201412:23 am
      by Otis

      Reply

      @JYD for Life: You must be simple or something. I said the CLEVELAND CAVALIERS who have been actively stockpiling picks for years can’t just keep piling on the prospects. The Pistons don’t have very many prospect types at all. Monroe and Drummond, if you want to call them that, count. Then you have KCP, another top ten pick. Beyond that, we have second rounders, crusty old veterans. Dude, do you even have a brain? The Cavs have been doing what we should have been doing for the past five years, and at some point when you have piles and piles of top ten picks to develop, you have to go ahead and develop them. You can’t have 15 top prospects and develop them all. The Pistons don’t have anywhere near the level of prospects/picks that Cleveland does. If you had even the most basic reading comprehension skills you would have understood this. You might want to think about going back and finishing your GED, bro. You can’t push a mop for the rest of your life.
       
      And I spend time here because I love basketball and I want this team to have sustainable success. I don’t just blindly root for all the braindead bullshit moves Joe dumbf*ck Dumars makes and call myself a fan, like some people do. I want this team on the right track, and that’s why I’m passionate about this shit. Go read a book or something.

  • Jan 8, 201412:10 am
    by Jodi aka "The Guru"

    Reply

    Wow, wow, wow!..You gotta respect the fight our Pistons had tonight…Josh Smith should have went to the hole on the last play…Good night!..

    • Jan 8, 201412:24 am
      by Otis

      Reply

      This is insane. You’re proud of what you just saw?

      • Jan 8, 201412:33 am
        by Jodi aka "The Guru"

        Reply

        Hell no!..I’m pissed we lost…Our Pistons showed heart and didn’t give up though…And you gotta admit Smith probably had one of his best game as a Piston tonight(stat-wise)…Smith just has to think more during games…If he would have went to the paint at the end of the game he would have more than likely got fouled…The dude was 7/8 at the foul line tonight…Why not drive to the hole and either get an easy bucket, get an opportunity for an “And 1″, or get to the foul line??.

    • Jan 8, 201411:11 am
      by jamesjones_det

      Reply

      I’m not going to get excited about coming back against the NY Knicks, if it was Miami or Indiana or any other decent team maybe but the Knicks are almost as bad as we are in the 4th so there is nothing to get excited about.

  • Jan 8, 201412:25 am
    by JYD for Life

    Reply

    Otis - 
    “Buyers generally mortgage off the future (picks and prospects) to add established veteran talent and make a playoff push. This is what the Pistons should NOT do, especially considering they have very little in the way of picks/prospects to offer.”

     
    How can you say that and in the same breath say they should dump Monroe? 

  • Jan 8, 201412:40 am
    by JYD for Life

    Reply

    @Otis - 
    so I’m simple, yet you can neither add nor divide (as our friend Dan pointed out earlier).  
     
    Cleveland and their “abundance” of prospects have all of:  Kyrie Irving, Dion Waiters, Tristan Thompson, maybe Zeller…and at this point, I can’t tell if Anthony Bennett will end his career being worse than Villanueva (who at least has a 50 point game on his résumé).  
     
    Sounds like they’re really ready to start shoring things up…by my count, that’s four “prospects” to the Pistons three.  It’s undeniable that Jennings is still a work in progress.  
    Good stuff…it was fun to see you come unglued so quickly.  

    • Jan 8, 201412:52 am
      by Smitty

      Reply

      Honestly Cleveson is not better off than Detroit is right now. Both suck, and will continue to do so unless one of these teams makes a big move. No way is Lebron coming back, so it’s up to Joe D to pull something out of his ass before Feb 20th.

  • Jan 8, 201412:51 am
    by Mr Woods

    Reply

    Im with Otis. Greg Monroe was exposed last season and I told anyone that would listen that we should trade Greg Monroe on draft night to OKC or Boston. We could have probably gotten OKC’s # 1 pick, Perry Jones III and Jeremy Lamb for Monroe & taken Trey Burke with our own pick. 

    • Jan 8, 201412:55 am
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

      Reply

      What??? Perry Jones III is a bum!..And Lamb isn’t that special either…

    • Jan 8, 20145:16 pm
      by oats

      Reply

      I kind of like Jeremy Lamb this year, but he did absolutely nothing last year. That would have been sending away a very productive young big man for 2 guys that had done practically nothing. Jeremy Lamb is still not worth Monroe since he’s only an ok rotation piece. I mean, let’s say we do that trade. Trey Burke, Rodney Stuckey, Brandon Knight, Khris Middleton, and Kyle Singler are all arguably outplaying Lamb right now. I’d take Lamb over Bynum, but depending on how the rest of the lineups are arranged it might be Bynum playing over him due to a need to have a PG on the court at all times. Does Lamb even play in this scenario? I honestly have no clue how that rotation shakes out, other than the fact that Burke would definitely be the starting PG. He could start at SG, or he could not be in the rotation, or pretty much anything in between. I think he gets the starting SG nod because he has the highest ceiling, but it’s unclear if he would deserve it.
       
      As for PJ3, he’s basically a higher paid Tony Mitchell but on a guaranteed deal. He’s got some potential because he’s a great athlete, but he’s done exactly nothing on the court so far. It’s something, but not enough for this trade to actually make sense.

  • Jan 8, 201412:52 am
    by Trout Jefferson

    Reply

    I’d also like to point out that the Knicks big 15-0 run came with 11 points from Carmelo, and 9 of those points on back-to-back-to-back threes over Josh Smith.
    But please, keep arguing that Smith isn’t the problem and Monroe should be traded.

    • Jan 8, 20141:30 am
      by Otis

      Reply

      Shouldn’t you be polishing Mike Payne’s boots over at DBB or something?
       
      Smith is locked up, bro. He ain’t going anywhere. Bitch about him all you want, but he’s here to stay. Nobody wants that contract. This team sucked without him and they suck with him. Go live in denial and complain about a guy who has already been paid and locked up TIGHT and ain’t going anywhere. Complain about him all day long. He’s here for three years max. Monroe is the second best center on the roster and can’t play with your ACTUAL franchise player and Smith, who if you remember from before, is here and not going to be traded on that contract. It’s done. Joe did this to you. Get over it. Why not focus on what CAN be done, like trading your second best center for someone who actually has a chance of succeeding here? Or just lock him up and be awful forever because you’re a stubborn nut who refuses to accept that Smith isn’t going anywhere. *Achem.* That was fun. Hope you learned something.

      • Jan 8, 20141:32 am
        by Otis

        Reply

        ^LOL should say three years MIN not three years MAX. Hope I didn’t deke you into thinking he’d be here for any less than three years. That would be cruel of me. You’re the one who keeps telling yourself that. Ok bye. Nice seeing you.

      • Jan 8, 20143:17 am
        by Trout Jefferson

        Reply

        Shouldn’t you be polishing Mike Payne’s boots over at DBB or something?
         
        You mean the guy who’s generally spot-on with his analysis and correctly predicted this happening despite other clowns thinking otherwise?

        • Jan 8, 20143:49 am
          by Otis

          Reply

          “Predicted” this? Who in their right mind ever thought putting Josh Smith (who can’t shoot and loves to shoot, and whose strengths are rim protection and scoring within five feet of the basket) at small forward (planting him on the perimeter, as far away from his strengths as possible) next to a pair of centers who can’t spread the floor one f*cking inch would ever work?? All hail the unrivaled genius who could see that was a mistake. Does he have a twitter I can follow? @nostra_f*cking_damus420?
           
          I didn’t believe you could build a winner around these two centers even if you surrounded them with three proven shooters, so I actually also predicted that this wouldn’t work so good. It’s not that special. Here’s a prediction: Mike Payne’s infatuation with Greg Monroe will prove to dispel any delusions that he knows very much about basketball. He used to comment here, and I genuinely used to think he had it together, but he’s like the rest of you sheep who think Drumroe is some luscious, mouth-watering combination that’s ever going to take you anywhere. They’re two centers who are opposites, but that doesn’t mean they fit. And Greg Monroe is a loser who’s so accustomed to losing that he is completely unaffected by it. Just look at his interviews. No sense of urgency on the court or in his commentary. He’s a loser. He plays on one side of the ball, and he’s not even elite on that end. He’s a B+ on that end. If he was the only center available, I’d choke down that max contract and pair him with a power forward. But he’s more useful to almost any other team than the Pistons and we’ll never win with him playing PF. We’ll just live out our lives polishing shoes and praising the prognostications of a bland, ordinary sports mind who fell in love with a boy in 2010 and never looked back even when the boy was exposed and it clearly wasn’t working out. O\K good talk.

  • Jan 8, 20141:01 am
    by Mr Woods

    Reply

    Solution # 1… blow the team up. Start with Joe Dumars then Mo Cheeks.  Let Stuckey and Villanueva walk. Try to move Smith to Houston if possible for maybe Terrence Jones. Maybe NY can take Jennings.  Move everyone but Drummond and maybe KCP for expiring contracts or draft picks. This roster isn’t going anywhere because they don’t compliment each other’s games. Look @ the decision Chicago just made. Trade Monroe asap!

    • Jan 8, 20141:13 am
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

      Reply

      No, no, no…Stop the buffoonery please!..

    • Jan 8, 20141:42 am
      by Otis

      Reply

      (personal attack removed)
       
      Moving on, Mr. Woods, you lost me at letting Stuckey walk for nothing. I would have traded him the second he displayed a pulse this season, let alone playing like an All-Star for that early stretch, but I’m not Joe Dumars so it didn’t happen. Still, I’d move him for something by the deadline if he can come back and even show that he’s capable of playing. I’ll take a second rounder at this point. You gotta get something for him. You just gotta.
       
      You’re probably dreaming about trading Jennings and Smith, but I’d be open to it. Still, I do think they can be useful, and Smith especially isn’t getting moved on that contract, certainly not for value. You can’t exactly take a scorched earth approach and expect to end up with a good team. With a pair of quality wings, I think keeping Jennings and Smith with Drummond is fine.

      • Jan 8, 20143:15 am
        by Trout Jefferson

        Reply

        (personal attack removed)
         
        You are such a quality human being.

        • Jan 8, 20143:55 am
          by Otis

          Reply

          Read any ten of Jodi’s comments ever and you’ll see how pro-abortion I really am. He wants us to give up assets for Eric Gordon. I’m not making that up. It’s literally on this thread. Even the moderators around here rip him to shreds. He endorses everything the organization does and i’s widely accepted as the least respected opinion around these parts. I’m sure you have someone at DBB who is this guy. There is no possibility you guys don’t have a guy exactly like this. I’d bet a thousand dollars.

          • Jan 8, 201411:51 am
            by Jodi aka "The Guru"

            Otis, I really don’t know why I even respond to you…You seem so pathetic and you seek attention like a 3 year old child…I would love for you to show me a comment I made about sending “assets” for E. Gordon…But like always, you can never back anything you say up so let me help you out a little bit…I said send Jonas, Stuckey, and Charlie V to the Pelicans…Jonas does nothing for our squad and Stuckey+Charlie V=2 expiring contracts…What assets are we sending if we’re not planning on re-signing any of those three…
             
            Listen Otis, I’ve never commented on a social network to be in a popular contest…I don’t have time to worry if someone ripped me…I don’t have time to figure out who’s respected or least respected on a social network…My life is a little more complicated than that!..Maybe you should get a hobby instead of attacking others on a sports board…I get on sites like “PistonPowered” to read other piston fans opinion and share my own opinion…If you don’t like it, you don’t have to respond…I actually look at this as something fun, not something to where I can come to judge others…

  • Jan 8, 20141:12 am
    by Mr Woods

    Reply

    @Jodi The guru: Perry Jones III is only 21 yrs old & as of now, Lamb is shooting better than anyone on the Pistons roster & he’s only 21/22 yrs old & they’re cheaper than the $14mil Josh Smith is being paid. Perry Jones III can’t be any worse than having a Villanueva, Jerebko, or Singler. We could’ve probably gotten them for our 8th pick alone. Jones has some athletic ability if you can coach him up. Just imagine if KCP was hitting his perimeter jumpers. Lamb is starting to hit his.

    • Jan 8, 20141:17 am
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

      Reply

      What has Perry Jones actually done in the NBA though?..We can’t trade on potential, we need sure talent…I would be all for trading Stuckey for Lamb…Trading a young big like Monroe for a “hopeful potential player” like Perry Jones and a “role player” like Lamb isn’t the way to go…

  • Jan 8, 20141:36 am
    by Smitty

    Reply

    Monroe and Jerebko for Hayward and Kanter.

    • Jan 8, 20141:45 am
      by Smitty

      Reply

      Honestly though I don’t think it matters who we trade for when our coach sucks. 41 to 41 at half, next thing you know, down by 16. I think a better coach could get more out of this team. Maybe not a lot but probably a few more wins by now.

      • Jan 8, 20142:41 am
        by Otis

        Reply

        Good teams don’t need terrific coaching to succeed. The Pistons of yore won 50-60 games every year with a coach called Flip Saunders who nobody ever listened to. Furthermore, it’s easier to fix the roster than magically produce a coach worth a damn. Especially with a team that’s this much of a coach killer. Once Dumars is gone and there’s a clear cultural shift, you might have a chance at a decent coach someday, but for now we may as well focus on what we can change, which is the roster.
         
        If you have five clear-cut starters who actually play the five basketball positions, it makes a coach’s job a lot easier. That way he’s not just picking from a list of random skillsets to try and mix-and-match his way to 30 wins. Red Auerbach couldn’t coach this mess to 42 wins.

        • Jan 8, 201412:50 pm
          by JYD for Life

          Reply

          You’re right about pieces that make sense…but what are those pieces? 
          To get these things you either have to give up assets or take something that another team no longer wants.  Also keeping in mind that despite the fact Stuckey has played well for a few games this year(not surprising because it has happened every year of his career), other teams aren’t jumping at the chance to trade for him because they see what we do. 
          So after shooting down my ideas and belittling Jodi…what is out there?  How does GM Otis fix this?

      • Jan 8, 20142:54 am
        by jg22

        Reply

        I agree. So many people complain about the signing of Smith, but the hiring of Cheeks was the real problem here.
         
        You can always trade a player if he doesn’t work out. It was crucial to get this hire right, and go with a proven guy, because you can’t just trad a coach midseason, and with their track record they can’t even change coach’s after the season. 
         
        I guess if Gores just cleaned house and blamed it on Joe, then potential candidates wouldn’t be that turned off by us firing another coach. But that should’ve been done this summer, so we didn’t have to go through this again with another unqualified coach.
         
        The only reason that Pistons team succeeded without LB was because they were already an experienced veteran championship team. Plus Flip was at least a legit HC. These guys they are hiring now are all assistants, put into a situation that’s just too much for them to handle. On top of it, you give them a young team and ask them to play 2 of their best players out of position (Monroe/Smith).
         
        Just trading one of them isn’t going to solve the coaching problem, but you have to at least give Cheeks a chance with a traditional lineup, and I would anticipate him doing a least a little better job the rest of the year.

  • Jan 8, 20141:42 am
    by Mr Woods

    Reply

    @The Guru: Perry Jones III is not going to have much of a chance in OKC playing behind Durant & Ibaka. What im saying is he can be had for cheap & even if we had made a move like that plus received OKC pick in the draft last yr, Kelly Olynik was on the board still. Idk if I spelled his name correctly.  You could’ve sent him to Boston for Jeff Green. Don’t get me wrong, I would jump at the chance to move Smith 1st because he’s the main issue. That air ball he shot??? My lord! 

    • Jan 8, 20141:43 am
      by Otis

      Reply

      AHHH somebody actually called him the Guru! I need to go take a shower.

    • Jan 8, 20141:46 am
      by Smitty

      Reply

      Cheeks called that play for Smith. HA fucking shit stained balls
       

  • Jan 8, 20142:07 am
    by PistonFanSinceDay1

    Reply

    Smitty you’re a cool guy, don’t follow the lame guy on this site.

    • Jan 8, 20142:19 am
      by smitty

      Reply

      Otis is at least Funny. Right or wrong. I love the pistons but this is expected and embarrassing. Monroe is our best trade to piece. Smith can be traded but most likely not. Honestly should’ve kept Gordon or amnstied him. Too late for all that now though. So come on Joe d lets do something.

      • Jan 8, 20142:43 am
        by PistonFanSinceDay1

        Reply

        I’m all for trading anyone to make this team better. It might be wise to add more pieces before trading our core pieces. I heard Gary Neal is available, anyone interested? And Otis isn’t funny, he’s a square. I really think that Jodi guy screwed his wife or something. 

        • Jan 8, 20142:46 am
          by Otis

          Reply

          If you don’t think I’m funny your problems run much deeper than I thought. And I thought they ran very, very deep.

          • Jan 8, 20143:00 am
            by PistonFanSinceDay1

            You’re either bored, depressed, or unemployed and lonely. One thing I do know, you’re not funny man. Get you life together and learn more about basketball because you post plenty of trash on this site. You bash the Pistons organization so much I’m surprised you continue to post here.

          • Jan 8, 20144:10 am
            by Otis

            (personal attack removed)
             
            Also, since you so rudely asked, I come here for the benefit of dunces who shall remain nameless who just want to wish on a star that things suddenly turn around when their supposedly beloved team is being driven straight to hell by incompetent management. People who call it a “slump” when their team is winning 40% of their games when their average win % over the last five decades is probably within 3% of that. People who call this team inconsistent. They’re not inconsistent. They’re the picture of consistency. 30 wins a year, more or less. You can set your clock by it. They might be the most consistent team in the league over the last four seasons. People who see TWO wins over quality opponents over the first 35 games and think it’s an indication that they just might have something here if only they could share the ball and have more fun playing basketball again and work together like best friends and GOOOOO PISTONS! Pistons 4 life! I’m just trying to un-brainwash these people who, as always, shall remain as nameless as they are optimistic. We’re just about to turn that corner. Just stay the course and reach for that shining star. Go Pistons.

          • Jan 8, 20144:12 am
            by Otis

            “five decades” Oh lordy it only feels that long. “Half a decade” or “five years.” Take your pick. They’re pretty much the same.

  • Jan 8, 20142:28 am
    by JYD for Life

    Reply

    It is easy to point the finger at Joe, but you should really look two layers above him.  
    Tell me how invested Gores is?  It’s fairly clear he pushed Dumars to assemble a team to get into the Playoffs.  
    You can’t sell a team to Illitch when it’s worth less than what you paid for it…
    Cheeks was seemingly a safe pick to get us to the first round.  Smith has never been past the second round, so it’s pretty clear you don’t sign either of them if you have aspirations of winning a title in the near future.  
    Bash the strategy all you want, but understand it isn’t coming from Joe…the coaching carousel and maybe a few bad signings, but again, you can’t win them all.  Never said he was the greatest, but the grass is always greener…
    Even if this blows up, the only thing that will suffer will be the fans and maybe the bottom line for Tom’s company.  

    • Jan 8, 20142:45 am
      by Otis

      Reply

      PLEASE find a new hobby. Joe was CLAWING hopelessly at the playoffs before Tom Gores bought this team just to try to save face. And if the assignment was to win now, Joe has failed miserably and should be publicly shamed. Also if you thought Cheeks was a “safe” pick you shouldn’t tell anyone that in public or they’ll think you’re just some kind of moron.

  • Jan 8, 20143:20 am
    by JYD for Life

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    While I’m a few credits short of my PhD in calculus, as you pointed out… the last time I checked, a .500 winning percentage is good for a 3 or 4 seed in the East.  
    Cheeks, after 7.5 wildly underwhelming seasons at the helm, boasted a coaching record of 284-286…or 49.8%. 
     
    Again, I’m not saying that he’s up for GM of the year and that these were solid moves, but it’s kind of shortsighted to place all of the blame on him.   
     
    See what the next 6 weeks brings and then we might actually see what’s up.  
     

    • Jan 8, 20144:15 am
      by Otis

      Reply

      What in the name of God herself are you going to learn in the next six weeks that you haven’t already seen through 35 games of .400 basketball? There is literally nothing they could possibly prove at this point that could convince me to sacrifice most of our flexibility by keeping this mess together at the deadline. But that’s just me. The guy who’s paying attention and thinking things through.

      • Jan 8, 20141:03 pm
        by JYD for Life

        Reply

        Again I’ll ask…what moves are there to make?
        You shot down any of the vets i suggested they add (andre miller, kris humphries, gerald wallace, etc) or SFs they would have a realistic shot at obtaining (gallinari, green).
        How do you find a true SF and shore up a second unit that won’t give up more points than it scores?
        I also agree with you that he probably will keep Smith.  It is also pretty clear that Cheeks is not the right guy…but you’re also stuck with him…coaching is not going to ever check Smith from taking terrible shots, but surrounding him with guys in the locker room who will check him might remedy that.  Chauncey should have been that presence this year, but the voice is lost when it is coming from a guy on one leg.
        What do you do, Otis?

      • Jan 8, 20141:08 pm
        by JYD for Life

        Reply

        And walk me through your concerns about flexibility…even if they had to match a max extension for Monroe, Drummond has two more years on his rookie deal after this one…that would leave one year of paying Monroe\smith\Drummond top dollar.  I get that its not working right now, but smith and Monroe are assets.  

  • Jan 8, 20143:46 am
    by jg22

    Reply

    Good point on Cheeks in the grades. He wasted a timeout during that run for nothing, becasue he trotted back out the same lineup that was having trouble before.
     
    Then, he only had 1 left at the end, when he could’ve used it on the last possession.

  • Jan 8, 20144:21 am
    by Otis

    Reply

    Greg Monroe may yet blossom. He may go somewhere else and finally reach that brass ring of being THE guy. He’ll almost certainly be a Piston killer. Maybe he’ll be an All-Star. But none of that is going to happen here playing power forward next to Andre Drummond. I’d rather sell my entire family into the underground sex trade than bet $60 million on that guy in this system. It’s not going to work. It’s just one of those things you can either accept because it’s obvious or learn the hard way. Life is full of disappointments.

    • Jan 8, 20145:43 am
      by Dan Feldman

      Reply

      When Monroe and Drummond play together without Smith:

      • Offensive rating: 112.9
      • Defensive rating: 109.6

      That’s pretty good.

    • Jan 8, 201410:29 am
      by Vic

      Reply

      Otis this is the reason your ignorance is not respected by anyone with common sense:
      1. You don’t undo a dumb decision by making a dumber decision. If you do that in your career, I feel sorry for you. Yes Josh Smith was a bad deal but you don’t trade away a young (imperfect) but quality player because of it. Smart people can find better options to solve the problem.
      2. Drumroe has not had the opportunity to be surrounded by 3 shooters, so you’re prediction that they will fail is completely false. It hasn’t been tried yet. 

  • Jan 8, 20145:05 am
    by Habbidabs

    Reply

    No contract in the NBA is safe from a trade.  See Joe Johnson and Gerald Wallace.  Smith can be moved.  You wont get full value for him, but who cares? That was one of the worst shots I’ve ever seen in my life at the end of the game.  He shoots 25% from that spot on the floor.  He does too much.  He isn’t being put in the best position to succeed but I’ll put that on Dumars and Mo.  If Moose wasn’t on this team I wouldn’t mind having Smith at the 4 alongside Drummond.  Unfortunately that’s not the case.   The guy(Smith) is in his prime and plays to his weaknesses.  He could be that guy we saw against Indy and Portland but we see how long that lasted.  Monroe is 23, 4-5 years away from where his prime is.  I’d rather see what happens with his development then play out Smiths contract especially as he relies mostly on his athleticism and can’t seem to realize that he’s not a jump shooter.  Moose has his flaws but I don’t see him playing to his weaknesses when he’s in his prime like Smith.  Aldridge took huge steps in his development along with Ibaka in a short few years.  Monroe can too.  Amongst all PF, Moose is 19 in reb, 12 in FG%,12 in assists, 5th in steals, 10th in scoring, 10th in double doubles.  Monroe isn’t perfect but he’s still young.  On the right team he’d easily average close to 20 and 10.  Before this atrocity that was put together by Joe D, Moose was averaging 16 and 10 with almost no help.  He’s regressed this season as Jennings and Smith continue to take most of the teams shots while putting up the lowest shooting percentages.  Lock up Moose at the end of the year.  Trade Smith to the rockets for Parsons & Asik.  Asik is an expiring next season for us while Smith and Howard are good friends going back to their AAU days.  Harden Smith and Howard can form their big 3 while we get Parsons who will finally be a solid option at the wing for us.  Will this solve all our problems? Absolutely not. It’s much better than what I’ve seen in the past 8 games.

    • Jan 8, 201412:43 pm
      by Vic

      Reply

      Masai Ujiri just made Toronto the 3rd best team in the east. He got rid of Bargnani and Rudy Gay.
      In sports, if you can’t take advantage of dummies its because you’re the dummy.
      Like Josh Smith couldn’t get to the paint against Carmelo because Carmelo “accidentally” gave him the space to launch a 19 foot jumpshot. 
      Every team in the league gives him jumpshots on purpose. Its their strategy against him.

  • Jan 8, 20146:31 am
    by Todd

    Reply

    Dan Feldman,
    Instead of attacking one of your most loyal readers (Otis), you should try consistently putting up postgame recaps, you know, soon after the games end.  Too often it takes 24-48 hours for a recap from your website.  Quit acting like a 15-year old and act like as a responsible professional.
     
    Thank you.

    • Jan 8, 20147:55 am
      by Dan Feldman

      Reply

      Todd,

      If you want quicker postgame posts, get them somewhere else.

      Thank you.

    • Jan 8, 20142:09 pm
      by Tim Thielke

      Reply

      “Too often it takes 24-48 hours for a recap from your website.”

      I just wanted to point out that by “too often”, you must mean once. Because there has been exactly one game all season for which we didn’t get grades up within 12 hours.

  • Jan 8, 20147:08 am
    by badboys

    Reply

    turn on trade override, trade smith and jennings for cp3, trade kcp for tony allen, trade monroe for taj gibson, trade charlieV for kendrick perkins, sign luol deng in free agency. 

  • Jan 8, 20149:05 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

    Reply

    I hate that Jennings dribbled the air out of the ball when we were down 1
     I hate the shot josh smith took…
    but what I hate worse is the feeling that this team has already stopped responding to cheeks
    I hate that dumars isnt going to remove cheeks
    I hate that Cheeks came from a team (OKC) that basically had two players that played hero ball…
    I hate that Cheeks is trying to do the same with Jennings and Smith
    I hate what we have soo much talent, but yet it looks like a complete mess.
    i hate that not so long ago we were one game from being a legit .500 team.
    I hate that fans can come up with better game plans than the coaching staff
    I hate that Drummond as dominate as he is or can be plays like pussy defensively and it wont be long before people stop talking about his potential, and start calling him soft
    I Hate that Drummond reach in fouls, when he is almost 7’0 270-280 lbs and doesnt need to
    I hate that Drummond does not dunk everything under the basket
    I hate that Monroe has NO Perimeter game
    I hate that Monroe is late on most defensive assignments
    I hate that Monrow has become a black hole
    I hate that Monroe is basically Al Jefferson without the jumper
    I hate that Monroe has not been traded yet
    I hate that Smith is basically playing SF
    I Hate that Smith wants to and has to take long jumpers
    I Hate that Smith does not look as athletic as he once was
    I hate the thought that we might have signed a average athletic Josh Smith 
    I hate that Pope can not shoot
    I hate that Pope isnt aggressive
    I hate that Pope was hyped as a defensive specialist like its suppose to counter than he cant shoot
    I hate that Jennings is the only players other than Will Bynum that can create offense
    I hate that Jennings knows he is the only player other than Bynum that can create offense
    I hate that since Jennings is the only player that can create offense, most night we will live or die by jennings play
    I hate that most nights we are held hostage by how well Jenning plays
    I hate Cheeks Post game interviews
    I hate reading that Cheeks is going to work on defensive plays
    I hate Cheeks look on the sideline, almost as much as I hated Franks look when the team goes down 15 and Frank would put his hands on his hips as tho that would change something
    I hate Cheeks rotattion
    I hate Billups getting any minutes
    I hate we even re-signed Bynum!
    I hate Bynum and Billups on the floor together
    I hate that Singler does not play more minutes with the starters
    I hate that Datome is going to waste,if he was a Spur he’d be a star probably
    I hate then when Harrellson gets in the game,we actually then he is going to change things
    I hate that we rely on Charlie V or jonas for a spark off the bench after they havent played 5-7 games straight
    I hate that I get more excited about reading news about the Fort Wayne Mad Ants, than I do about the Pistons (BTW: SIVA OVER BILLUPS and Mitchell OVER JONAS, CHARLIE)

    I hate that I look on Hoopshype, and Bleacher report hoping we are in some trade rumor EVERYDAY!
    I hate that I admire Dumars soo much, that I want this to work 
    I hate that Dumars even knows its not going to work
    I hate that Dumars is probably thinking JUST MAKE CHAUNCEY THE COACH!
    I HATE THAT PISTONS POWERED STILL DONT HAVE A EDIT OPTION! OR A FAN VENTING SECTION!
    ok i am done

  • Jan 8, 20149:16 am
    by bonerici

    Reply

    I dont understand why anyone likes Josh Smith.  Sure he had a decent game against the Nicks.  And then promptly lost the game in the last few seconds with poor shot selection.   That’s Josh for you.  He takes terrible shots.  Always has always will.   He tends to sag away from a defender (notice how Carmelo had pretty much any 3 point shot he wanted last night), has a very low basketball iq and had his best season in 2009-2010 when coaches managed to prevent him from jacking it up in long 2′s and 3′s.   You can’t stop Josh from chucking it for long, he loves the jump shot and can not be stopped from taking bad shots.  
    He should be better at power forward because he will be closer to the basket but I don’t like his tendency of relying on a baby hook (which may or may not fall) instead of taking it strong to the rim and forcing a foul.  He dislikes contact.
     
    Greg Monroe never developed the jumper he should have last year, and has poor lateral foot speed so he doesn’t like guarding stretch 4′s.   But he is young and every year he has improved some aspect of his game, so I expect he will continue to improve and in the next year or two develop a reliable 15 foot jumper.  
    Every contract can be traded in the NBA it just depends if you want to sell high or sell low.  We can get rid of Josh Smith.  First I would like to see him and drummond find more time on the court together just to see if Josh continues to jack it up as much as he does at the 3. 
    I don’t really understand why anyone would want to keep Josh over Greg, Josh is declining while Greg is getting better.   Maybe you want Josh for “veteran leadership” but why would you want someone with such a low basketball iq to lead your team.  
     
    It’s clear though one of them has to go, either Greg Monroe or Josh Smith.   I would vote Josh off.   It would of course mean Joe Dumars would have to humble himself and admit he is an idiot.   That won’t happen.   It is possible that Joe D gets fired.  The team stinks right now and Gores has to be thinking this is not the team I was promised.  If Joe gets fired, then there is a good likelihood that Josh will get moved.
    The guy that airballs a game ender so hard it misses by several feet because he believes he is a great jump shot shooter, that’s the guy you want?  

  • Jan 8, 20149:19 am
    by Huddy

    Reply

    I love listening to Special K do his best Langolis impression while he tries to call Smith’s shot selection boneheaded with as much sweet PR syrup on top of it as possible.

  • Jan 8, 20149:47 am
    by Nick N

    Reply

    In my opinion I believe the frontcourt can work if we get another sg till kcp develops. I think if we had a sg like o.j. mayo the frontcourt could work. We just need that shooter that doesn’t miss when he is open. Again it’s just my opinion so don’t everybody go ham on me lol

    • Jan 8, 201411:54 am
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

      Reply

      I’ve been screaming that same thing for the last month!..I never thought of OJ Mayo though…He would be a good pick-up for the Pistons…

  • Jan 8, 20149:56 am
    by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

    Reply

    “I’m still beating myself up because I could’ve been a little more aggressive and put the initiative on the referees to make the call,” Smith said.  ”It’s going to be a shot that’s definitely going to be with me until the next game, when I can try to get it out of my head.”I was one possession less aggressive tonight and I should have been most aggressive on that play right there,” he said.
     
    I am praying, seriously that that shot is turning point for Smith. Sometime you need to hit rock bottom, before you can evaluate yourself and the situation. 

    • Jan 8, 201411:57 am
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

      Reply

      Hopefully, when he took that shot last night I was completely lost…I think it might change Smith for the better…

      • Jan 8, 201412:48 pm
        by ITS OFFICIAL I HATE CHEEKS

        Reply

        He know he pussied out…
        In MSG …. Carmelo boasting like he played great defense, Crowd laughing yelling air-ball, play designed for you to attack but you settle….
        Yeah…. i hope it does because he could have scored 50 points that game, and missed a potential game winner like that…whenyou knew better than taking that shot in the first place 

  • Jan 8, 201410:19 am
    by Parsons

    Reply

    Smith should get an F. 8 TO and the stupid shot selection buried us. Its like he thinks “Hey! We’re up a point I can shoot a 3″. That negates anything good he did to that point by losing our momentum and giving NY the ball back. Its just as good as a TO and as far as I’m concerned the last possession was his 9th TO. We can’t win when a guy is this stupid and turns it over 8 times.

    And what the hell is this Chauncey-Bynum thing? How does that even sound good? More importantly how the hell does a guy that studies basketball for a living think this could work? Right now I’d send Chauncey on his marry way and sign a FA SG, maybe one who can shoot. Man our 3 point shooting sucks it would be nice if we had a, a, a 3 point shooting italian league MVP we could play. Maybe named Datome.

    • Jan 8, 20141:33 pm
      by Patti #1

      Reply

      Bad enough the Chauncy-Bynum thing, but when he adds KCP, Singler and a center, Cheeks looses me.  I don’t think that is the best use of our bench, but maybe I am missing something?
       
      I found playing Singler at SG with Jennings at PG in 4th was worth taking a look at and it worked out pretty good.  Stuckey was playing well with Jennings and starters to close games.
      At a minimum we need Stuckey back.  We need a legit SG and SF….as in 3pt shooters.  It’s asking a lot for the PG to be assist / play maker, don’t take any shots, but do all the scoring.
      Also – at very end of game BJ & Smith were the only two to move at all.  Smith called for the ball so BJ passed to him.  Everyone else on the floor FROZE.  If Smith was trapped by Melo he had no body to pass to.
      Team needs a bit more work, but that game was better than the previous three.

  • Jan 8, 201410:43 am
    by hoophabit

    Reply

    It sure helps when Otis is speechless, lets you get through the comments so much more quickly.  ;-)
     
    Too much hate, don’t you just hate it?

    • Jan 8, 201412:02 pm
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

      Reply

      God bless the haters…

  • Jan 8, 201410:59 am
    by T Casey

    Reply

    I’m seeing blame for two of the better performers last night in Moose and Tweedle Dee, yet Tweedle Dum goes 2/12 from the field and somehow escapes blame altogether in a two point loss. KCP’s 1/6 or whatever he shot didn’t help either. I understand fans are still divided on who the Pistons should stick with long term between our two pf’s, but that 2/12 is sticking out like a sore thumb to me.

  • Jan 8, 201411:29 am
    by AYC

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      I really hope KCP has a bounce-back game.  That would be huge.  As a rookie he is going to have his fair share of goat games.  But if he has another solid game like the two he had before the Knicks, then we can start to feel that he is taking a solid step forward (with many steps left to go) in his development, rather than just getting hot for a couple games.    
      As for the Smith-Monroe debate n’ debacle, it is clear that both sides are right and wrong- Both players are  frequent detriments to our team that are appearing to exceed their potential benefits.  We are in all likelihood tied to Josh Smith, unless we take on a horrifically bad contract or utterly useless parts, or maybe find some hapless GM given directives by some Saudi/Russian billionaire throwing money around.  That means that Monroe is probably the one to be traded.  If you are unwilling to trade Monroe and dump Smith in desperation, then you might have to consider the ultimate blasphemy and see what you can get for Drummond as we will have neither the players or draft picks to deal to acquire anyone who would seriously transform the team and make them a viable contender.  I don’t see the answer in free agency as we are not a prime destination, and sacking Smith would only add to that.  I don’t think Stuckey/Bynum/JJ/CV/Singler would bring you the necessary assets to fundamentally improve the team.  What the Pistons lack is a reliable crunch-time scorer that can go against the best of teams and get it done.  That’s never going to be Drummond OR Monroe and certainly not Smith or Jennings. 
    The way I see it, we are almost backed into a corner and MUST trade Monroe or Drummond to get that kind of asset.  They both have good value right now.  Even if we had never signed Josh Smith, I think we still might have to consider this possibility. 
    Or Gores must give Joe D. and Cheeks guarantees (extensions?) for next year and allow them to tank.  Something I just don’t see. 

  • Jan 8, 20143:54 pm
    by Windy

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    The team is totally out of whack…the last chance we have to salvage this team is trading Moose while we can actually get something back…once we signed smith, moose became the guy that doesn’t fit…smith isn’t going anywhere so mine as well get something for Moose…Otis and I have banged that drum for about 4 months…
    Dont know what is even out there because guys I like are already on established teams…Hayward is alright but I don’t know if Utah wants another big man when they already have Kanter and Favours…mind you moose is better than both right now…that’s a nice push move because we actually get something back…getting  a backup pg that can actually run an offence would be nice as well…having a guy that can hold the fire under Jennings feet would be Ideal, billups is busted and Bynum is just a chucker.
     

    • Jan 8, 20144:50 pm
      by danny

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      Hayward is more than alright, dude is going to be an all star sooner than later.  He has all the attributes of a versatile player has ball handling skills, play maker, and a shooter.  His basketball IQ is up there as well and plays really smart.  Been an advocate for trying to pry him out of Utah’s hands.  Think they will match whatever is thrown at him so there goes that.

      • Jan 10, 201410:00 am
        by jinzzy

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        i would rather go for lance stephenson 

  • Jan 8, 20144:50 pm
    by Rich

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    I found a clip of Josh Smith’s final shot “attempt” in this game:
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yakf5-i6jE
     

  • Jan 8, 20149:49 pm
    by I Hate Otis Dan

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    I am a Piston fan who loves this site.  However, I might need to drink something in order to understand what Otis and Dan F. are even arguing about in this thread.  Pistonpowered needs to reduce the amount of characters a poster gets to speek their mind because Otis lost his nineteen comments ago.

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