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Would trading Greg Monroe and Rodney Stuckey for Arron Afflalo and Tobias help Detroit Pistons, Orlando Magic?

Chad Ford from his ESPN SportsNation chat on Dec. 30: 

(Orlando) probably should’ve traded him for Eric Bledsoe this summer when (they) had the chance. Now that’s the standard and I’m not sure there’s a better deal out there, despite the fact that Afflalo has been playing at an All-Star level all year. One deal I think would make sense — Greg Monroe and Rodney Stuckey for Arron Afflalo and Tobias Harris.

Interesting idea — and one that really doesn’t drastically favor either side — but it’s tough to envision a deal like that actually going down this season.

For one, reports have said they won’t be trading Stuckey, and it’s probably a smart bet that they’d only look to realistically move Monroe as a part of some sort of blockbuster deal today.

But, Ford’s right: Afflalo is in the midst of his most successful season as a pro. He”s actually looking eerily similar to the guy who starred on UCLA’s 2006 Final Four team.

He’d be a perfect fit for what this Pistons’ team desperately needs — shooting and perimeter defense with a little bit of playoff experience thrown in for good measure.

But the dilemma is deciphering whether this is simply just an impressive stretch or if Afflalo has actually turned the corner as a player. Orlando’s got a talented roster, but they’re also 10-games under .500, so is Afflalo just filling up the stat-sheet for a bad team?

Almost all of his numbers are at career-best levels, so that adds to those sustainability questions.

There’s a chance Afflalo could finally have blossomed into what some thought he was moving toward in Denver, but he could also be this year’s O.J. Mayo, sans a contract year.

Tobias Harris is a nice prospect who put together some very impressive games last season. I’ve got my doubts on whether he’s any better suited defensively to be a full-time small forward than Josh Smith, but he’s very well suited to do the job offensively.

Due to a number of injury issues, he’s gotten off to a slow start this season, so his value may have dipped a bit, but he’d still bring athleticism, rebounding and a much-needed shooter from deep to the Pistons.

As for the outgoing pieces, this is the kind of deal that makes some sense for the “Trade Greg Monroe” crowd. Monroe is a one-way player today, but trades and re-signings aren’t about the now. When you re-sign a young player, you’re valuing him for what he will bring to the table down the road — not what they’ll do tomorrow.

The big thing with this hypothetical is that Monroe is going to get better; that’s the logical step for a 23-year-old who’s improved steadily since he got into the NBA. Is Afflalo, 28, going to keep seeing this late-career boom as he enters his 30s?  He’s under contract until 2015-16, and he’s got a player option for $7.75 million that he’d likely accept in that final season.

Like Afflalo, Stuckey is probably playing the best ball of his career right now. That’s likely related to his impending free agency, but the combination of him playing well and having a big expiring contract may be attractive to Orlando if they decide that tanking is the way to go — even though they only trail the Pistons by 2.5 games for the final playoff seed in the East.

If you’re the Pistons and you’re not loving the future of the jumbo trio, this isn’t a bad deal at all. It’s a short term fix that doesn’t put the team in a horrible position going forward.

What do you think?

66 Comments

  • Dec 31, 20134:20 pm
    by Otis

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    This would absolutely work for the Pistons, and I imagine it would help Orlando too, but between Vucevic and Big Baby, I don’t think Greg Monroe is the kind of guy they’re probably looking for. Bottom line is that this team is on a bullet train to nowhere with this awful roster and no real hope for improvement on the horizon, so I’d probably green light any trade that’s even remotely close to this. Standing pat at the deadline would be suicide.

  • Dec 31, 20134:36 pm
    by Dan

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    How about something centered around: 
    Pistons get Granger and Rondo, Pacers get Stuckey and Jennings and Celtics get Monroe, Hill and a throw in player.  Mix in draft picks or expirings if needed.  Pistons could also take Hill and send out Charlie. 
    Bonus question: Odds on Jennings versus Smith in the horrible shooter contest?

    • Dec 31, 20135:18 pm
      by Otis

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      If we’re getting Rondo and Granger, is there any way we could get a fourth team to throw in a spare knee replacement or two maybe in exchange for a second round pick? Just for a little insurance.

  • Dec 31, 20134:50 pm
    by jacob

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    This makes sense. I also seen another one I like. Houston gets smoove Boston gets asik Detroit gets green. Plus there would be some throw ins. I just think if we stand pat, we could miss the playoffs in this terrible conference and lose our draft pick.

  • Dec 31, 20135:17 pm
    by Brigs

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    I still think Harrison Barnes should be our target when trading Monroe but this trade would work out great. I don’t understand all this worrying about what Monroe could develop into, I guarntee he never averages much better numbers then he does right now and I don’t seem ever becoming more then a near average defender. Plus why risk losing him for nothing or worse signing him to a near max level deal. Either of those options would be a disaster

    • Dec 31, 20135:22 pm
      by Otis

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      Amen. You can’t deal from the frightened position of what he could become. You should just count yourself lucky that you lucked into him in a draft where you should have ended up with much less, then lucked out even more by having Drummond similarly fall into your lap. Time to cash out on Monroe’s mediocrity and call it a day.

    • Dec 31, 20136:52 pm
      by Brady Fredericksen

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      If Greg Monroe becomes a mediocre defender, he becomes an EXTREMELY valuable player. That’s the idea, that a 23 y/o figures out the nuances of non-athleticism-based defense.

      • Dec 31, 20137:28 pm
        by gmehl

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        Brady i think the only type player Monroe would work beside is a guy like Ibaka. Even then with Monroe playing mediocre defence you need a good defensive SF as well. I don’t think we can wait/hope for Monroe to become a respectable/mediocre defender and feel we need to cut him loose now and make him someone else’s problem.

        • Dec 31, 201310:31 pm
          by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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          The only person I’m trading Monroe for is Cousins…I might have to second think that Ibaka idea though…

          • Jan 1, 20141:58 am
            by gmehl

            Jodi you and ‘think’ in the same sentence is the most retarded thing I’ve heard all day.

          • Jan 1, 201412:34 pm
            by Jodi aka "The Guru"

            That was the alcohol talking, lol…

      • Jan 1, 20143:50 pm
        by brigs

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        so ur telling me a guy who avgs 14 pts and 9 rebs for his career becomes EXTREMELY valuable? i mean wat ur saying is that it would be worth signing monroe to a max deal just in the hopes that he becomes a near avg defender, thats the worst thing ive ever heard. If this trade or any thing close to it becomes available joe d should do it in a second

        • Jan 1, 20147:55 pm
          by PistonFanSinceDay1

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          Who in the world said Monroe will receive a max contract this summer? No need to try to foresee the future.

  • Dec 31, 20135:23 pm
    by Vic

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    This is like trading 4 quarters for a dollar. It makes sense for the Pistons if you think they need change. But why would Orlando do it? Tobias is the truth though. Him and Afflalo would definitely stretch the floor for Dre.

  • Dec 31, 20136:03 pm
    by jg22

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    Sorry but I have to disagree that Monroe is guaranteed to get better just because he’s young. More polished/savvy offensively? Sure, but he pretty much is what he is on defense, and has never had the physical tools to be a good defender, so age won’t change anything. He will always be a one-way player.
     
    I would make this trade. While Tobias isn’t much more of a SF than Smith, instead of playing a Center at PF and PF at SF, you would basically be playing two 3/4 tweeners interchangeably at the 3 and 4 with Tobias and Smith. I like that versatility better than a plodder like Monroe at one of the spots.
     
    And while they may have said they aren’t trading Stuckey, that was probably just GM talk first, but also probably just meant they aren’t just giving him away when they could use him for their own playoff push. So if you are replacing him with a better SG who also fills a bigger need, then I can’t see why they would be opposed. Then they could just move KCP into Stuckeys role off the bench and have a legit starting SG instead. That along with the upgrade in the froncourt sounds like a win-win all around for the Pistons. And of course its a win for Orlando getting Monroe to rebuild with.
     
    The question then becomes do you wait for an even better deal for Monroe, perhaps for Rondo or Carmelo? I don’t know, but there’s only about 6 weeks left to make trades, and you have to think Joe is going to be looking to do something if this team doesn’t show start showing some consistency in the next couple weeks
     
     

    • Jan 2, 201410:46 pm
      by jamesjones_det

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      “Sorry but I have to disagree that Monroe is guaranteed to get better just because he’s young”
       
      This is by far the best comment on the board.  Too many people think all players get exponentially better with age when in reality it really depends on the player, some never get better and some even get worse with age.  If all players got better with age Derek Coleman would have finally blossomed into a star by the time he was 28.
       
      I don’t think we can assuming anything with Monroe, sure he might develop and jumper, then again he may never.  Maybe he does improve to an avg defender, on the other hand if he doesn’t think he needs to then he may never. 
       
      A guy that screams “and one” every play doesn’t strike me as the type that’s going to find fault in his game and work on it diligently.

  • Dec 31, 20136:24 pm
    by Russell

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    This would be a STEAL for us.  No way Orlando does this after we swindled them with the Darko deal (which turned into the Stuckey pick if I remember right).  We unload an horrendous defensive liability and all-time whiner in Monroe, cut bait with the never-was that is Stuckey and move Josh Smith to his natural position.  All while shoring up the starting SG and SF roles.  Spacing, fit, youth, toughness, a redemtion mission for Afflalo.  
     
    We should do this in a heartbeat.  But, sadly, we still have the perpetual broken mirror, JOD, in the head office.  Seven more years bad luck

  • Dec 31, 20136:27 pm
    by hirobeats

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    I really like this trade. I’m really high on Tobais Harris who strikes me as a JSmoove 3/4 type player, where he is more 3 than 4, and Smoove is more 4 than 3. I’m just not sure I believe in Aaron Afflalo yet. Better than Stuckey, yes. But I don’t know if he is the answer at the two. I really like Tobais though. 

  • Dec 31, 20136:40 pm
    by Desolation Row

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    Stuckey is at peak value and is fool’s gold, IMO. Monroe could become a legit all-star, but he just doesn’t fit both style-wise and contract-wise if we’re building around Drummond. Afflalo’s contract is very reasonable, and I think last season was more of a down year than this season being a peak year; he was great on Denver when they were a winning team too! This gives the Pistons two shooters, spreads the floor, another potential all-star, allows all the pieces to work better, and establishes a more sustainable roster contract-wise going forward. I say do it, unless there’s a better trade for either Smith or Monroe that could net us a solid near all-star or young promising wing who can shoot and defend. Or draft picks. But Dumars probably isn’t interested in the latter. 

  • Dec 31, 20136:49 pm
    by PistonFanSinceDay1

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    I wouldn’t mind trading for Afflalo, but not at the expensive of Monroe.

    • Dec 31, 20139:57 pm
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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      ^This…

  • Dec 31, 20137:18 pm
    by gmehl

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    Put me down as a ‘YES’ for this trade. I am now of the firm belief that our big 3 is a miserable failure. The other thing I believe is that a max contract should never be given to a 1-way player like Monroe. Max deals should be reserved for game changers that can at at least admirably play some sort of respectable defense. The last time I checked the name ‘Greg Monroe’ doesn’t have any D in it and either does his game and I don’t ever see that changing.
     
    With the first third of evidence of the season gone, if Joe was presented with this trade offer a didn’t take it then I’m all for firing him. A deal like this would definitely secure a better playoff spot than we have now which ultimately would secure Joe’s short term future… food for thought Joe!

  • Dec 31, 20137:31 pm
    by jacob

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    I would be shopping everyone but Drummond. Joe needs to put good shooters around him.

  • Dec 31, 20137:38 pm
    by CityofKlompton

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    It is far from perfect, but the team has to think about how they are going to try and improve the roster down the road, too – not simply how Monroe is going to improve. Are they hoping that they can develop the core of their current roster to a higher level or do they think they will need to acquire some serious talent to put the team over a hump?  If they think they can develop the team to very high levels, they should absolutely stand pat.

    But if they think they’ll need to add a significant piece to their perimeter still, this trade could allow that to happen. They’d be better in the now and be able to spend the money elsewhere that they would otherwise throw at Moose. No telling if Detroit could lure a good wing to the team (especially with the way Dumars goes popping tags,) but it provides a little more flexibility to mold the roster as the team continues to grow and develop some chemistry because it (potentially) leaves space to extend Drummond and add some pieces that would expect a better contract than a few mil over a year or two. Or, they’d still have some space to absorb a contract…? No sense idly sitting around on that for several years (as it’s already been,) but it’s just a thought.
    Is it a gamble? Absolutely, but based on early returns with the jumbo front line, keeping Monroe could be a gamble as well regardless of how he turns out. It’s possible Smith, Drummond, and Monroe just don’t fit together.

  • Dec 31, 20137:39 pm
    by pistonspoland

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    I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

  • Dec 31, 20137:46 pm
    by Vic

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    Or you could just stagger the big 3 you have now, kinda like how smart teams like the San Antonio Spurs won 4 champiOnships staggering their big 3? Kinda like the last time OKC went to the Finals.
     
    Did anyone catch the Zach Lowe piece about how mediocre teams lack the courage and creativity to stagger their best players?

    8. Mediocre Teams Not Staggering
    Teams will inevitably have to get through minutes in which they don’t have an offensive centerpiece on the floor. Not every team can have a prime Manu Ginobili or Jason Terry and the guts, depth, and creativity to bring that kind of player off the bench. The best players start the game, and though they don’t always come out at the same time, most teams sit their core starters together for a few minutes here and there.
    It doesn’t have to be that way, of course. The Mavericks juggle things to minimize the pain of Dirk Nowitzki’s rest periods, primarily by subbing him out much earlier than teams typically remove their fulcrum players. The Wolves often make sure to have either Kevin Love or Nikola Pekovic on the floor, though the Wolves’ shaky bench drives that as much as any Rick Adelman philosophy.
    Two bits of non-staggering that have been grating of late: Detroit playing segments without any of the Josh Smith–Andre Drummond–Greg Monroe trio on the floor, and the reinvented Kings going stretches with all three of Isaiah Thomas, DeMarcus Cousins, and Rudy Gay on the bench. The Detroit stretches were happening in some games even before the Josh Smith–Maurice Cheeks benching tiff over the weekend, and they are especially puzzling. A roster featuring three quality big men begs for constant staggering. Detroit has actuallybeen a net positive in the 93 minutes all three have been off the court, thanks mostly to improvement in its poor defense, but the whole thing strikes me as a wasted chance.

    • Jan 1, 20142:11 am
      by gmehl

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      It’s easier for a team like San Antonio to stagger there line ups because:
      1) they have ageing vets
      2) they always win a lot
      3) they have Popovich.
       
      we have:
      1) young guys looking to start
      2) we don’t win much
      3) we don’t have a HOF coach to make it all work.

    • Jan 1, 20143:40 am
      by jg22

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      This isn’t reallly true though because they do stagger their best SG off the bench in Stuckey. He’s not only their best SG, but best scorer per minute on the team. Not even the Spurs bring their leading scorer off the bench. So the Pistons are very much running a staggered rotation already.
       
      I agree though that they should be doing it with their bigs too. They could just be running a 3 man rotation, each getting 32 mpg. It would not only balance the starting lineup, but also reduce all of their minutes/workload, and allow them to be fresher for the 4th qtr where they seem to always run out of gas playing like they are now.
       
      They should at least be trying it to see if it works, and I think Cheeks might finally do it next game, based some of his comments lately and how poor they are playing.

  • Dec 31, 20137:59 pm
    by jacob

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    Vic everything the pistons do or have done for a while, looks dumb. I like cheeks but why not hire a new coach. Someone to grow with this young talent. So I guess this year is it for Joe barring some real good trades. Hopefully he will wise up.

    • Jan 2, 201412:32 am
      by Vic

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      Joe made some bad decisions… the main one was Cheeks though. 
      I say this all the time, a coach with some strategic guts could take this mishmash and make something great. The weapons are there, they just need the discipline and the gonads to not care about politics and salaries, and just execute winning basketball.

  • Dec 31, 20138:16 pm
    by grizz3741

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    I vote that Joe Dumars never trade give away Aaron Afflalo in the first place.

  • Dec 31, 20138:48 pm
    by jacob

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    We could affalo and Johnson still.

  • Dec 31, 201311:24 pm
    by Parsons

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    I don’t think we’ll do anything until closer to the february 20 trade deadline. I would love this trade though. I really like both Afflalo and Harris. Harris is only 21 and has a really good offensive game but no defence which sounds about like Monroe just a different position. Harris even rebounds well so if we can snag him with Afflalo for a player we don’t need and a player were probably going to lose anyway it would be a great trade. Don’t get me wrong though Monroe is extremely talented and will have a great career but drafting Drummond and then signing Smith we just don’t have room to pay a guy that we don’t need 12-15 mill a year. This trade gives us 2 players at positions we need, shifts everyone back to their natural position, and still allows KCP to play. Sounds great all around for us.

  • Jan 1, 201412:05 am
    by jacob

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    Don’t look now but Knight is tearing it up. Wow Joe d. Pay a shot chucked with no d, and get rid of a rookie deal. Pathetic!

  • Jan 1, 201412:17 am
    by oats

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    Harris can’t shoot from deep. He shoots .288 on 3s for his career, .315 in his best season, and shot .310 during his breakout performance after getting traded last year. The closest thing to him being a shooter is his shooting from 15-19′. He was excellent, making 56.3% of them last year. That’s on only 48 attempts the entire year. That is less than one attempt in that range a game. That’s not really something you can bank on. So far this year he’s 7 of 18 in that range. Nearly 40% is decent, but since we’re still talking about 15′ shots we’re not really talking about a great floor spacer here.
     
    I like Harris and thought he was really good last year. He primarily played power forward last year in Orlando though. I don’t think he can defend the 3, and I don’t think he is a good enough shooter to justify playing him there next to Drummond and Smith. I think if Detroit were to do this trade then they would need to bench Harris for Singler. It’s either that or just stick with Smith at the 3. So is a 28 year old SG that might not be able to sustain his play and a 3rd big man with injury problems worth a young big that can put up a 16 and 10? I think the fact that Harris is capable of putting up 16 and 9 if he takes over the starting PF spot means the answer is a yes. It’s not nearly as automatic for me as it seems to be for most other people here though. I think the team would have a similar problem to what they face with the current 3 big lineup, although Afflalo starting over Pope will be a big improvement even if he does regress.

  • Jan 1, 201412:28 am
    by David c

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    Keep Moose and trade Smith. Greg is 24 and has much higher value than Smith. He is gifted C playing as a PF, get whatever you can for Smith in so far as a young SF or a pick. I’d trade him to Houston in a heartbeat or in a three way with Boston for Green.

  • Jan 1, 20143:04 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    The trade has to be about now and the future

  • Jan 1, 20143:13 am
    by Brandon Knight

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    How about we trade for Brandon Knight as our shooting guard? Jk lol but r Brandon Knight has been playing very well for the Milwaukee Bucks! He is near the stat line of 15 pts 5 assists and 5 rebounds. I was so mad when we traded him. We should have kept him as our shooting guard :(. He is good but needed some time to develop. 
    How about this trade:
    Loul Deng and Jimmy Butler 
    For Greg Monroe Kcp 
     
     

    • Jan 1, 20144:03 am
      by gmehl

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      Deng and Butler? I was thinking more along the lines of Durant/Westbrook for Monroe/Jennings. I mean they might have to include a second rounder to balance it out. I mean it works for everyone IMHO.

      • Jan 1, 20146:18 am
        by Brandon Knight

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        Not funny! you’re overvaluing Butler! 

    • Jan 1, 20141:41 pm
      by oats

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      Brandon Knight is pretty much still Brandon Knight. 15 points, 4.2 rebounds, and 4.4 assists is solid, but not great when you consider how he gets it. He’s still getting 2.7 turnovers, which leaves him with a pretty bleh 1.65 assists per turnover. His one real weapon in Detroit has largely abandoned him as he is shooting only 33% on shots from behind the arc. He is getting to the line a bit more, but since he’s still a 40% shooter from the field he is having his least efficient scoring year to date. His overall impact on the game is pretty much the same as it was in his 2 years in Detroit, it’s just that his usage is up this year. He’s playing quite a bit better offensively than KCP and he’s still a solid defender, so he would definitely start at SG in Detroit. I think Pope’s defense is better than Knight’s already, and he’s 2 years younger than Knight so he projects as a vaguely similar player down the road in terms of production. More importantly, the Jennings trade doesn’t get done without including Knight. Jennings is a flawed player himself, but he’s still better than Knight. Once Detroit passed on the point guards in the draft they needed to address the PG situation, and that meant that Knight had to be moved for a better player.
       
      You want to know which Piston I miss having? It’s Khris Middleton. 12.2 points and 4.3 rebounds are solid, but how he gets it is what makes him something else. 45.5% from the field and 45% on 3s. He’s not quite what I’d call a good defender, but he’s probably a bit better than Singler. Yeah, Middleton is playing some terrific basketball. I also suspect that Milwaukee would have done the trade with Singler in the deal instead of Middleton since Singler was the better player last year. I think that’s enough to get the deal done, and I wanted to keep Middleton since I thought he had a higher upside. Maybe I’m wrong and maybe the inclusion of Middeton was a requirement for the deal to go through, but that’s the part of that trade that I kind of regret. Detroit really could use a guy shooting better than 40% on 3s right about now.
       
      As for the trade, it’s not realistic. All of the reports say the Bulls want to keep the team together and hope that Rose will get healthy and resemble pre-injury Rose. Moving both Deng and Butler would be a huge change. Pope is not obviously a starting caliber player, and Monroe is a kind of lousy defender. That trade would also mean that they next year they would pay a lot of money to a front court of Noah, Boozer, and Monroe, and obviously those guys can’t all play at the same time. It would also bury Gibson farther down the depth chart. Not only that, they would have very little left on the wing. They’d be left with Dunleavy, Pope, and Snell. I like those guys, but I’m not convinced that a good team would want to start any of them. This is just way too drastic of a shake up for a team that is still kind of hoping that they will be a contender with a healthy Rose next year.

  • Jan 1, 201411:37 am
    by Bzoy

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    Monroe could be the next duncan offer moose to the spurs for leonard

    • Jan 1, 20146:32 pm
      by gmehl

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      Monroe hasn’t got anywhere near Duncan’s skill on offense and his defense doesn’t even scratch his balls.

    • Jan 1, 20147:56 pm
      by T Casey

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      Tim Duncan is def out of the question. But, ability wise he could be a Tim Duncan lite. Even then though, I’m not sure if he has the drive to push his game that far. He seems fairly comfortable just being a fairly good player.

    • Jan 1, 20148:06 pm
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      I agree, Monroe indeed resembles Duncan.

      • Jan 1, 20149:49 pm
        by Parsons

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        Tim Duncan? Not even in Monroe’s dreams. Not even in Dumars’s dreams.
        Duncon is one of the greatest PF/C to ever play. He’s a hall of fame defender, inside and passing game is amazing even at 38, he has a 12-15 foot jumper your forced to respect or he’ll burn you, 5 championship rings, and on top of everything else he wants the ball with the game on the line. He’s clutch, aside from last years Patrick Ewing impersonation in game 6. Monroe is more like Boozer or Al Jefferson. Still good but not a great player and more of a complimentary player than a guy you build an entire team around but they still get payed like a star.

        • Jan 2, 201412:19 am
          by Max

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          Monroe is quite obviously not nearly as good as Duncan but that doesn’t mean he can’t be viewed as Duncan’s replacement in terms of a player who would be their best big after Duncan retires if they acquired him.  

  • Jan 1, 201411:47 am
    by Kornkat2020

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    I’ve been saying it a while now, but I’d look hard at trying to get Afflalo. Not at the expense of Monroe, but with Stuckey, Vanillawafer, bynum, and other players, we should be able to package something. I’d be all for shipping Josh Smith in that package if we could somehow make it work. Just think, Jennings, SG(free agency), Afflalo, Monroe, Drummond…. Talk about balance.

  • Jan 1, 201412:20 pm
    by JYD for Life

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    Really guys?  Rondo and Granger?  
    There is also no way the Magic trade Harris.  While Afflalo is probably available, I think you ride out KCP with hopes that he becomes Afl.   
    The only way moving Moose for a true SF makes sense is if you can bolster the bench.  They are running one short as is and Harrleson should be your 5th big At best.  
    Moose and an expiring for a true SF and bench pieces (Big Baby, Kris Humphries). 
     

  • Jan 1, 201412:32 pm
    by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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    If we can’t get Afflalo we should try to get Brandon Knight back!..

    • Jan 1, 20148:04 pm
      by PistonFanSinceDay1

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      Jodi, you have one creative mind. Having a starting backcourt of Jennings and Knight would be small but quick. Jennings would really need to improve his defense for it to work.

  • Jan 1, 20142:39 pm
    by T Casey

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    Even with as much potential as Dre may have, it’s too soon to start building around him. He rebounds at an elite level, but other than that, he’s shown little to no offensive skill besides being an alley oop target, despite his physical abilities hasn’t shown the determination to be a defensive force patroling the paint, and his fundamentals are almost non-existent. Right now, he is what every other player on the team is, a complimentary piece. If he begins showing the ability to outright dominate games either defensively or offensively on a consistent basis, then we can begin trying to find pieces that specifically fit around him, but, until then, we’re better off just trying to put quality pieces together that fit in a common sense scheme and then going from there.
     
    I’d say to look at the Pacers as an example of how to build a team. With both the early 00′s team and their current squad, LB didn’t start out trying to build around 1 or 2 players. He made smart common sense acquisitions for each position and then when a player finally did make that extra step to elite status like Jermaine O’neal and Paul George, it put them up there right at the top of the league.
     
    So, right now, the goal shouldn’t be building around any one player as much as putting the best players at each position and seeing who makes the next step. That’s part of the problem with how we let a player like Afflalo. Joe D was so focused on trying to build around Stuckey that he ignored all the signs that said Afflalo would likely become the better player.

    • Jan 1, 20147:02 pm
      by oats

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      Drummond is putting up a 13 and 12 as a 20 year old. He’s a top 10 player in his position already. Why exactly does he need offensive skills outside of finishing to be worth building around? Dwight Howard doesn’t really have anything else and has had a few years as a 20+ point a game scorer. Yeah, Howard has a bit of a post game due to be being more athletic than everyone he plays. That’s the model for Drummond. Learn to create a little for himself by being bigger and quicker than everyone he plays. Drummond’s actually a pretty good ball handler for a big man, so it’s extremely likely that he will figure out how to score quite a bit more than he currently does. I’m not saying he will be a 20 point a game scorer, but if he turns into a 16+ point a game scorer while also dominating the boards then Drummond will be a star. That’s a really moderate projection for a guy that is already this good at this age.
       
      While I think it’s really weird to not consider Drummond being worth building around right now, I’m actually fine with your basic plan as long you are not planning on trading Drummond. The great thing about Drummond is that he would fit into just about any roster. He’s a bit limited as a shooter, so you want to have 3 guys around him with a jumper to create some space. He’s also a great finisher on the fast break and pick and roll, making those skill sets slightly preferred from the PG. That’s about it. The odds are good that any attempt to build a decent team would hit enough of those requirements to have a team that would work well with Drummond’s game.
       
      I’d also argue that Bird did build around a player. That player was Danny Granger. He drafted a slow footed defensive stalwart outside of the lottery to play center (Hibbert). He also drafted a big, athletic, and defensive minded SG with a decent but somewhat questionable jump shot with the 10th pick (George). He also added a stretch 4 that played solid defense (West). Initially they went with an athletic PG with promising passing numbers in his rookie season (Collison). That’s a starting lineup built around Danny Granger being a guy that can put up 20 points a game. They then traded for another PG to provide some shooting and defense off the bench (Hill), and when the first PG didn’t progress as a passer they moved the new guy into the starting lineup. They then took a flyer on a guy that was really good in high school, but was troubled off the court and didn’t produce much in his one college season (Stephenson). Then when Granger went out they had George develop into a better version of the guy they had been building around the whole time anyways.

      • Jan 1, 201410:31 pm
        by T Casey

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        Dwight may not have a consistent low post game. But, he’s shown the ability to score at will down low when he’s focused. And, even with his limited post moves, he’s by far more polished down low than Drummond.  But, Dwight’s draw as a franchise player isn’t his offense anyway. It’s his defense. So he was, at heart a dominant defensive force who with a solid-to-good, but not great low post game. Dre, on the other hand, is only good defensively while absolutely poor offensively.
         
        So, if Drummond makes that step to becoming a truly dominant force and/or becomes a reliable 1-on-1 offensive threat, then great. Begin building around him. But, until then, the goal should be to put the best pieces possible at each position, considering how the pieces fit as a whole obviously, as well as quality coaching and then see what happens. If you begin deciding what pieces to pick primarily by what fits around a flawed and very under developed player, you risk not only passing up on more impactfull players than your centerpiece, but also the possibility that your centerpiece never realizes their potential and now you’re stuck with a team built around just another solid-good complimentary player which is a recipe for mediocrity. So it could work, but it’s a big risk at this point.
         
        And as for Indiana’s current squad, that’s possible. But, at the time, Granger was already a star putting up numbers that would land him among the best players in the league regardless of position. So building around him wasn’t very risky, sans his eventual knee problems. But, even still, the pieces they assembled would fit well almost anywhere because they are just common sense basketball acquisitions. And, with a quality coach, together they could make for a great squad. A center who can patrol the paint on defense and provide solid offense from time to time, a pf who’s no slouch defensively as well and gives you a low post scoring threat every night, a wing who can do a little bit of everything while anchoring your offense, another wing for additional scoring and dirty work who’s a tough perimeter defender, and finally a pg who can stretch the floor and help run the offense. Again, mainly I just see sound, common sense acquisitions here where one of their young talented players just happened to turn the corner and become a great player.
         
        All I’m hoping is that Joe tries to build the best textbook team he can until someone takes that next step.

        • Jan 2, 20141:16 am
          by oats

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          Your point about Indiana is sort of my point about building around Drummond. The piece they were building around was an efficient scorer that added some rebounding and ok defense. They decided to build a defensive minded team that had some guys that could shoot a bit. That’s a sound strategy in general, and exactly the way you build around a guy like Granger. So what do you do to build around Drummond? Get a couple athletes that can run the court a bit, a handful of shooters, and enough defenders that defense can be your calling card. Isn’t that a pretty sound strategy for building any team? The pieces that fit around him would make a decent team even if he doesn’t turn into a star. So what’s the point of pretending like he’s not worth building a team around when most players as productive as him at this age become corner stone type of players?

          • Jan 3, 20148:31 pm
            by T Casey

            Look, there’s a big difference in building around an established elite player who’s been dominant on offense, which Granger was, and building around a guy who atm just has elite potential. Right now Dre is just a dominant rebounder who’s not a game changer on either offense or defense. He’d have to make considerable strides in at least one of those directions before I consider building around him or treating him as a cornerstone player.
             
            As for your approach, it’s certainly open minded enough that it could work. A lot of people tend to have a more rigid idea than that when they mention building around a specific player so that’s what I was initially responding too. I see that kind of approach as building with a player in mind, then building around a player because you’re not looking for a specific player or two that compliment him as much as building an all around quality team that takes into account that player’s strengths and weaknesses moving forward. So in that sense, we are saying somewhat the same thing on the plan moving forward. The problem for me comes up again, when we start talking about him becoming a cornerstone player. I’d have to see more from him than I’m seeing for that. But that’s just me.

  • Jan 2, 201411:36 am
    by Anthony

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    C. Anthony and Hardaway Jr. for Monroe and Charlie V

    • Jan 2, 20146:27 pm
      by Jodi aka "The Guru"

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      No…

      • Jan 2, 201410:50 pm
        by jamesjones_det

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        Thank you for beating me to it!

  • Jan 2, 20149:45 pm
    by L BooG

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    I wouldn’t make this trade. I’d prefer a straight up Stuckey for Afflalo trade which is actually what I was hoping for during the offseason. It only makes sense to trade Monroe if you’re going to get a stud @ SF who can run the floor, play D & shoot. I could see Jeff Green as that guy but I doubt Boston wants to part with him. At this point in the season, I’d prefer we keep Stuckey if we’re not getting Afflalo in return. The team is still building chemistry & learning to win. It makes more sense to trade Charlie V since he’s not a main rotation player. Some team will want his expiring deal.

  • Jan 3, 20142:03 am
    by Pratik23

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    I agree giving up both Monroe and Stuckey would be too much. I’d rather trade Monroe for a SF and move Smith to PF. I’d like to see KCP grow into the shoot guard position, and he is doing exactly that. Although, in the short term it only makes us better if we did trade Stuckey for Afflalo and then bring KCP off the bench. 
    I’d be more interested in Harrison Barnes for Monroe/Stuckey, or Kawahi Leonard for Monroe/Stuckey, or of course Jeff Green. I think that helps us both offensively and defensively. Frees up Smith to operate inside, we would have each player playing their natural position and a better SF in return. With Stuckey leaving, Bynum gets more minutes and can be equally effective off the bench, when healthy. 
    If there are no moves being made for the remainder of the season, then Monroe should maybe come off the bench (and there’s no shame in doing that if that helps the team). 
    Jennings, KCP, Singler, Smith, Drummond (considering Singler is the only other SF we could possibly start who can knock down the three, just need more spacing). 
    Billups/Bynum, Stuckey, Jonas, Josh Harlleson, Greg Monroe

  • Jan 3, 20145:14 pm
    by seanm269

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    the only real trade I would like to see happen for the Pistons is them moving Monroe and possibly KCP and a pick for Kevin Love if Minnesota is willing.  Love would be a perfect fit, he shoots a high %, can hit the 3, shoots very consistantly and is a hell of a good rebounder….make it happen Joe D

  • Jan 3, 20147:38 pm
    by frankie d

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    i am going to pose this question once more and i assume that it will be ignored once more: name the team(s) that have traded a young big like monroe?
    the list is staggeringly small and the reason is obvious.  teams do not trade healthy young bigs unless they receive a huge bounty in return.  the trade scenarios mentioned here are by no means even in that league.
    the few times guys like monroe have been traded, the team dealing the young big man has made out like a bandit, considering the value of what they were surrendering.
    no one is untraceable.  but if you trade one of the league’s most valuable commodities – bigs along with elite PGs are right at the top of that list – then you had better get a damn good return or else you will suffer for year and years.
    that is what nba league history says.
    and i challenge you again to name the teams that have traded a guy like monroe and compare what they received with what detroit fans have stupidly been willing to accept.

  • Jan 4, 20141:53 pm
    by frankie d

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    crickets….as always.
    yep, detroit probably would do something so dumb, no one else would even think about doing it.
    go figure.

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