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Tinkering with the NBA Trade Machine: Greg Monroe to the Phoenix Suns?

Thanks to the ESPN NBA Trade Machine and the maniacal, trade-creating brain of Brady, this is new feature that will showcase trade possibilities for the Pistons. These are obviously hypothetical, and the goal is to not only find a trade that improves the Pistons, but also gives the trade partner value as well. Post your thoughts in the comments, and if you have any tweaks, let them fly. It’s also worth noting that players who were signed this offseason are not eligible to be traded until Dec. 15

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1. Why would the Pistons do this trade?

Brady Fredericksen, PistonPowered: This is probably something that only happens if the jumbo trio of Andre Drummond, Greg Monroe and Josh Smith is deemed a failure. There’s value here for the Pistons both on and off the court, though. The fear of having to max-out Monroe when he becomes a restricted free agent this summer is gone, which means more cash to spend on other players.

You’re also getting a really good guard in Goran Dragic. Some fans aren’t super familiar with him since he’s been stuck either as a backup or on a terrible team. He’s just a fun player offensively, and he’s more than capable of playing either guard spot. He’d alleviate spacing issues, he’d give the Pistons another ball handler and potentially allow for the team to explore deals for Brandon Jennings, if they so desired.

Marcus Morris is a good shooter (44 percent from 3-point range), and affordable role player for a team that needs floor spacers.

2. Why would the Suns do this trade?

Michael Schwartz, Valley of the Suns: The Suns would do this trade if they feel like Monroe is one of the cornerstones they want to build their franchise around along with Eric Bledsoe and their treasure trove of draft picks. In Bledsoe and Monroe, the Suns would have two building block pieces at critical positions just entering their primes, players who they could lock up for several seasons this offseason.

Such an acquisition would provide some certainty to the Suns’ rebuilding plan and give the team a pair of potentially budding stars to usher in this new era of Suns basketball. The trade would also provide clarity at the point guard spot with Bledsoe being the unquestioned point guard and leader of the team, as opposed to the current situation where both Bledsoe and Dragic are kind of sharing that role.

3. Why wouldn’t the Pistons do this trade?

Brady Fredericksen: The upside of Monroe and the $8.5 million that comes with Charlie Villanueva’s contact probably out-weighs whatever Dragic and Morris provide. There’s no doubting Dragic’s ability  with the ball in his hands on offense, but he’s not a great defender. The defensive potential that comes with a backcourt of Dragic (meh) and Jennings (barf) lacks size and leaves much to be desired.

This deal would also open up a hole at small forward. Can Kyle Singler fill that role as a starter? Sure. Could Caldwell-Pope give you some minutes there despite his frail frame? Sure. Same goes for Morris, who’s played reasonably well at that spot in limited minutes this year. It just leaves a lot to be desired on defense. There’s also the concern that the Morris Twins are playing well because they’re together again — like they just have some sort of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito ‘Twins’ telepathy?

4. Why wouldn’t the Suns do this trade?

Michael Schwartz: They shouldn’t do this because they will have to break the bank to re-sign both of them, and this move really only makes sense if the Suns fully intend on paying what it will cost to do that. Without Dragic, the Suns would have no natural point guard replacement on the roster in the event another team makes an offer to Bledsoe they want to refuse.

Dragic’s presence on the roster provides some semblance of leverage to the Suns over Bledsoe that they would lose in this trade, not to mention the fact that Bledsoe’s 2013-14 numbers will likely improve without Dragic handling point guard touches.

Monroe will likely cost a similar price. In fact, it would be no surprise if the Suns would need to offer/match mini-max extensions to sign both Monroe and Bledsoe. The Suns would only have about $20 million in 2014-15 salary commitments without Dragic and Morris, so they could afford that, but that would severely limit their salary flexibility in future seasons.The deal also would break up the Morris twins, who are enjoying their best years as pros and have professed for years they are much better together than apart.

5. So, what’s the final verdict?

Brady Fredericksen: It works for both teams. Phoenix gets an influx of talent at a position of need, while Detroit gets needed balance without losing out horribly in terms of incoming talent. One issue this does present for Detroit is fit, again. It is better fitting than the current roster, but it’s still a team that would need more tweaking.

Luckily, Joe Dumars would still have plenty of options moving forward.

Michael Schwartz: Overall, the big question the Suns would need to answer is whether they would want to build around Bledsoe and Monroe at near mini-max salaries, if not the mini-max. This trade makes no sense unless the Suns are prepared to make that commitment.

I don’t think a team can win a championship with Bledsoe and Monroe as their two best players, but I would do this deal anyways because of the kind of all-around team the Suns have the opportunity to build with the young players they have already acquired and the six first-round draft picks they have coming to them in the next two seasons. The Suns need impact talent more than anything, and adding all those draft picks to a core starting with Bledsoe and Monroe could make the Suns one of the NBA’s better up-and-coming teams in a few years.

 

110 Comments

  • Dec 14, 20134:38 pm
    by jg22

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    Ugh. I would think Monroe and CV’s large expiring contract would be worth a lot more than a return package centered around Goran Dragic. Especially when we don’t even have a need at his position. We’re going to trade Monroe for a backup PG?

    • Dec 14, 20135:41 pm
      by Brady Fredericksen

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      Dragic isn’t a backup, per se. The Suns start two PGs — both better than Brandon Jennings. Dragic’s been well above average as a SG this season.

  • Dec 14, 20134:54 pm
    by hirobeats

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    Is this a joke? This would be one of the most disappointing trades in Piston history.

    • Dec 14, 20135:42 pm
      by Brady Fredericksen

      Reply

      It’s centered around creating discussion, but if you liked Iverson-for-Billups better, that’s cool.

      • Dec 14, 20137:47 pm
        by Max

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        I think such a deal would be the worst trade in the history of the franchise.  Yes, worse than Billups for Iverson.
        I don’t like too much Monday morning analysis when it comes to judging trades and nobody thought Iverson would be nearly as bad as he was.  Who knew it was going to be the year when Iverson took a step or three back from his high level of play that will make him a first ballot hall of famer as he’d arguably posted the best numbers of his career the year before?   Even forgetting Iverson, Dumars basically took a home run swing with him but the deal also afforded Dumars the flexibility to let Iverson walk and reshape the roster any way he wanted.  Unfortunately, he signed BG and CV and we all know how that worked.  Still, that has nothing to do with the trade the day it was made.   I was in favor at the time of Dumars holding onto the money through the summer to target players during the season who’d be available for 2nd round picks and the like to teams with a ton of money.  Be that as it may, the proposed Monroe swap doesn’t come with 20 plus million in cap room.
        The Dragic Monroe swap has absolutely no long term upside for the Pistons and only a hope for the slightest of marginal improvements, related to fit, in the short term but even the trade machine predicts a minus 8 for the the Pistons this year.  Horrible, horrible idea.  I’m not in favor of the Green talk but even Monroe for Green basically straight up is a infinitely better notion.  

        • Dec 14, 20137:54 pm
          by Max

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          And btw:  The Morris twins are bums.   Can you say Charlie V 2.0 times 2?  

          • Dec 14, 20138:43 pm
            by hirobeats

            100% agree brother Max

        • Dec 14, 20139:25 pm
          by Brady Fredericksen

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          Trade Machine predicts minus-8 wins for the Suns. Six more wins for the Pistons. The Morris thing is just another minor piece. He shoots the ball and can rebound — reasonable traits to desire. Comparing a big guy who can shoot to Charlie V is lazy.

          I’ve heard a lot of the Jeff Green talk. I think the Pistons are getting the short straw in a Monroe-Green swap. I’ll eventually do one with the Celtics though, maybe in the next edition.

          • Dec 14, 20139:34 pm
            by Max

            Oops on the plus minus but who really cares what a machine says?  
            Comparing a big to Charlie V is okay when the player is a bum.  
            I hate the Green talk but I like it better than any Dragic talk because such a trade doesn’t even address why the Pistons should possible trade Monroe and the Pistons trade chips go way down for the foreseeable future.   In Simmons terms, it would be like trading a crisp dollar bill for a quarter.  

          • Dec 15, 20136:27 am
            by oats

            If CV could shoot like Morris then he wouldn’t be a bum. His stats have him as a guy that projects similarly to Ryan Anderson, which should be noted also makes him quite a bit better than CV. Morris does appear to be a pretty limited player and he might be a career reserve, but that doesn’t make him a bum. I mean, he’s already a really productive reserve. His numbers so far this year have him as having a better year than any CV has ever had, and he’s still only 24. Yeah, that counts as a lazy comparison.

          • Dec 15, 20131:15 pm
            by Max

            How does he project similarly to Ryan Anderson?  And how are his numbers this year better than 16 and 7 which was CV’s best year?  I don’t think he’ll ever put up 16 and 7.  

          • Dec 15, 20134:23 pm
            by oats

            Limited minutes, efficiency, and defense. Believe it or not, guys tend to scale up pretty predictably if they were playing at least 20 minutes a game, so per 36 minute numbers are actually a better indicator of a player’s performance than most people realize. Morris has a per 36 of 17.1 points and 7.5 rebounds. That’s not as good as CV’s 21.7 points and 8.9 rebounds in his absolute best year, but it’s kind of close. CV had a true shooting percentage of .529 which is good. Morris is at .585, which is great. The reason is simple, 47% from the field and 43% on 3s. Simply put, Charlie can’t shoot like that. He’s also quick enough to guard the 3. I don’t know if I’d want him doing it full time, but being able to do it all helps limit the problems imposed by his poor rebounding. He is a bad rebounder for a PF, but darn good for a SF. Even at the 4 he is a better defender than CV. I’d take Morris this year over CV his last year in Milwaukee.
             
            Morris has Ryan Anderson type of shooting numbers. Also keep in mind that 10.9 points and 4.7 rebounds per game in year 3 is pretty much identical to the 10.6 points and 5.5 rebounds per game that Anderson had in year 3. Anderson didn’t get a lot better in year 4, his minutes just went up. Given the same opportunity, it should be assumed that Morris will do the same thing and get that 16 and 7 you think he won’t ever do. I guess it is possible that he is one of the exceptions that fail to have his production scale up, but the overwhelming majority of players do scale. Anderson has made some improvement this year, and it’s hard to say that Morris will be quite as good as Anderson is this year. Still, Morris should be expected to play as well as Anderson was playing the last couple years. The fact that he can do it while getting some minutes at SF actually makes him slightly more valuable than Anderson had been before this season.
             
            That’s all a rather long winded way of saying that Morris is not a bum. As long as he doesn’t get badly overpaid he will remain a useful rotation player throughout his career, and he potentially could be a pretty solid starter. He might be primarily a bench player due to his poor defense, but he should be one that is deserving of 30 or more minutes a game. That’s a good player.

          • Dec 15, 20138:59 pm
            by Max

            I can’t say I’ve seen Morris a ton but from what I’ve seen I thought his defense was so bad that he’ll never be worth playing 30 minutes unless his team is terrible.  Still, you’re just about the best poster on this site so I’ll take your word for it.  
            I will say though that Anderson’s improvement is incredibly unusual in my opinion and not something to expect anyone to compare to just because their early years are similar.  

          • Dec 16, 20133:48 pm
            by oats

            @ Max. Don’t get me wrong, Morris is definitely a bad defender. Bad defensive players get minutes all of the time though. I actually suspect that Morris is going to end up as a 6th man type of combo forward. In that role he could easily get up to 30 minutes for the right team, even if he is a defensive liability.
             
            I actually agree that Anderson’s improvement this year is not exactly typical. I don’t really think Morris will match Ryan Anderson this year. Ryan Anderson the last few years was still a useful basketball player though, and I think Morris could definitely do that. Like I said above, I see him as a big minute reserve type of player. Charlie is a low end rotation player that got way over paid because a really bad team had to rely on him due to a lack of talent at his position and an injury to Michael Redd that made them desperate for someone to score. There’s a big gap between CV and the guy Anderson is this year, and Morris should slide into it.

        • Dec 14, 201310:01 pm
          by mubin

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          obviously max hasnt watched drummond. cant guard any stretch 4, cant hit a 15 footer, and a defensive liability. this trade would be solid, but green would be better. btw green is a future star, they wont deal him for monroe alone. this trade is great for the future becasue smith is locked and drummond only gets better. more room for smith and drummond and now no monroe to mess up on defense like he always does. overrating monroe is a problem. great post player, but thats it, no d, no midrage, no athleticism, and a bad fit for the pistons. 

          • Dec 14, 201310:17 pm
            by Max

            I haven’t watched Drummond?  What?  
            Obviously you have no idea regarding the trade values of players if you think Monroe doesn’t get Green plus something and if you don’t think Monroe has great trade value in spite of his flaws.   Look up any top 50 list of players in terms of trade value and Monroe will be pretty high on the list whereas Green would be lower and Dragic doesn’t even make the list unless it extends to 100.   

      • Dec 14, 20138:42 pm
        by hirobeats

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        So first of all no kidding, I understood that this was to create discussion. Thus, here is my contribution to our discussion: “Is this a joke? This would be one of the most disappointing trades in Piston history.”
        Secondly, this is just REALLY REALLY poor value in return for Greg Monroe. And third, I don’t know if I agree that Dragic OR Bledsoe are better than Jennings. They are clearly having better statistical seasons thus far, but I think I’d rather have Jennings, I think there is more upside and potential there. Jennings is the same age as Bledsoe, so I don’t see a lot more upside there.

        • Dec 14, 201310:04 pm
          by mubin

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          they dont ball hog and they can hit shots. jennings is terible. holds the ball way too long and takes horrible shots. bledsoe is a beast, dragic takes and makes good shots and doesnt hold the ball for 15 seconds when they only have 24 to work with.

      • Dec 15, 20137:40 am
        by Jack56

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        The Billups for Iverson trade was NEVER about Iverson. The whole point was to shed his contract and then sign good players. The epic fail was not trading Billups for Iverson, but that Joe went and signed Gordon and Charlie V. which obviously is where the wheels fell off.
         
         

        • Dec 15, 20139:23 am
          by Tim Thielke

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          That’s not exactly true. The idea was first to see if Iverson could be a difference maker. But it came with a very straightforward backup plan. If the idea was just to open cap room, Billups could have fetched assets plus an expiring contract. But Iverson was, by all appearances, a top 20 player at the time of the trade. If you don’t think that fact factored in, you don’t know basketball.

          • Dec 15, 20139:17 pm
            by Huddy

            testing iversons fit and production was definitely a big part of the trade, but the solid back up plan of cap space is often overlooked.  The trade itself made complete sense at the time and gave the pistons a chance  to have that top 20 player or have very valuable flexibility in free agency.  People harp on the trade when in reality it made a lot of sense and was pretty safe….the free agent signings were the issue.  

  • Dec 14, 20134:55 pm
    by Jack56

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    Wow. This trade is awful. For those who think the Pistons are doomed to have trade Monroe…I’ll send you to this article, by someone who is a bit more rational and has a better grasp of the facts: http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2013/12/ask_david_what_to_do_with_greg.html

    • Dec 14, 20135:43 pm
      by Brady Fredericksen

      Reply

      Again, this isn’t me saying TRADE GREG MONROE, it’s a feature that generates discussion. Mayo is on the side of being patient — as am I. Problem with being patient is you can’t write a series of posts about it ;)

      • Dec 15, 20137:38 am
        by Jack56

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        I get you need topic fodder to write about. How about looking at some dream trade scenarios…meaning…what are the best possible trades out there the Pistons COULD trade and what might that look like?
        You could balance it out with the why the other team wouldn’t do it, but still…it’d pretty interesting. 
         

        • Dec 15, 20139:23 pm
          by Huddy

          Reply

          You would rather read about why obviously one sided trades in the Pistons favor wouldn’t work than read about the kinds of deals that will actually be likely in the event of a trade?
           
           
          Heres one for you:
          Monroe for Lebron.  The pistons get way better and the heat get way worse.  Why wouldn’t the other team do it?  common sense.  

          • Dec 15, 20139:27 pm
            by Max

            Maybe he means players like Batum and Leonard.  

          • Dec 16, 20139:46 am
            by Huddy

            The fact that he said dream scenarios and that he assumed there would need to be a focus on why they wouldn’t work is where my sarcasm comes from.  I think realistic is more valuable than dream.  IMO even Batum is barely worth a discussion.  The pacers want to win now and with how scarce the SF position is in the league I’m not sure how they fill their SF hole once he’s gone.  Batum is also a good defender and between Mathews, lillard, and aldridge they don’t need another offensive focused player with poor defense not to mention that even if they weren’t playoff focused now we don’t even have picks to sweeten the deal with.  Monroe might wit well down low with Aldridge if they could keep Batum so maybe they would explore signing him in the off season, but it’s pretty illogical that the team with the best record in the west moves a major piece and changes up their formula that’s been working that much.

          • Dec 16, 20139:46 am
            by Huddy

            Blazers* wow 

  • Dec 14, 20135:08 pm
    by Windy

    Reply

    Throw in one of the suns four first rounders and I would do it…we’re not going to get the best player back in the trade but its addition by subtraction because giving Monroe the max is a bad idea even though he is a solid player, once we signed Smith it pushed Moose it because his lack of PF skills, he is a way better C

  • Dec 14, 20135:29 pm
    by Keith

    Reply

    It’s an interesting trade, and I think the most important thing it brings up is just how hard it is to find a team with a surplus where you need and a hole where you have surplus. Dragic is a good play, better than I think most of the previous commenters realize. The problem is that he is better as a scoring PG than SG. We already have a scoring PG, and Dragic’s defensive shortcomings will be more apparent at SG. The best way to play after this trade would be to make Dragic our starting PG (which would be a notable improvement), but that would admit in just a few months that Jennings is Gordon/Villanueva 2.0.

    I don’t think it is a terrible trade, but I can’t see Dumars doing it. The fit argument is questionable. Morris is the only one that really fits well, as a stretch 4 alongside Dre, and as a sweet shooting 3 in our new big lineup. Dragic is a significantly more efficient scorer than Jennings, and honestly the bigger hole is at PG. Pope is rounding into form as a shooter, and pushing him out of the rotation means we can kiss further development goodbye. Stuckey has actually been playing great as our 6th man, so we aren’t really in need of a new SG. Dragic would only significantly improve the team if he played PG, but I don’t see how Joe moves Jennings afterwards if he’s coming off the bench.

    • Dec 14, 20135:47 pm
      by Brady Fredericksen

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      It’s not perfect, yeah. I think I said it up there, but it sets up other deals, if that’s what the Pistons’ goal was. But either way, Dragic is a significant upgrade at guard over the Pistons current (or recent past) backcourt options.

      • Dec 14, 20136:20 pm
        by Keith

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        Agreed, in that Dragic is better than Jennings, KCP, or Stuckey. I think the improvement is lower at SG than PG, though.

        I think the idea that it sets up other deals depends on how quickly they happen. If you trade for Dragic, I think you need to have a deal for Jennings already in place. There’s not enough basketball for Jennings-Dragic-Singler-Smith-Drummond. I think that starting lineup would present a lot of the same problems we already have (offense might get better, defense probably worse).

  • Dec 14, 20136:24 pm
    by Keith

    Reply

    By the way, Brady, I really enjoy this kind of discussion, so how often will we see a new post in this vein? Are you taking suggestions for other trade ideas?

    • Dec 14, 20139:26 pm
      by Brady Fredericksen

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      Right now I’ve got a couple locked and loaded, but I’m sure I’ll eventually be asking you guys for them. Just so it doesn’t get played out, this will probably be an every-two-weeks post, I’d guess.

      • Dec 15, 20132:24 am
        by Max

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        Come on, Brady.  This is probably the biggest topic on these boards and even though I didn’t like the Dragic deal; I’d much prefer if this feature could happen more often than every two weeks.  And you said you got the next two articles locked and loaded.   This won’t get too played out.   

  • Dec 14, 20137:55 pm
    by Fan since '87

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    Is this where we get to make unreal suggestions as well? Like:
     
    Phoenix gets:
    Charlie V – to help them tank even more and have cap space at the end of the year.
     
    Chicago gets:
    Monroe
    Goran Dragic – a better Pg the Hinrich
     
    Detroit gets:
    Luol Deng – moves Josh to PF and he’s a one year rental of course
     
    Of course this means Chicago has Monroe, Gibson, Noah and Boozer. It would have to be the first move in a series that also saw Boozer traded.
     
    Trade machine says it works, thoughts?

    • Dec 14, 20137:58 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      You’re a fan since 87.  I go back a little further.  Still, I’m dead set against any trade that could possibly help the Bulls in any way and I’m surprised you are not.   This deal would be a huge win for the Bulls and would only help the Pistons if Deng manages to stay more healthy than he ever has for Chicago when he was a younger player.   Hate this deal.   

      • Dec 14, 20138:10 pm
        by Fan since '87

        Reply

        Please note that I said “unreal” in my first sentence.

    • Dec 14, 20139:30 pm
      by Brady Fredericksen

      Reply

      It’s not a terrible idea, but I don’t think there’s any way the Pistons want to trade Monroe and end up having him somehow end up being in their own division for the next 5-7 years.

      • Dec 15, 20136:53 am
        by sebastian

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        True, when you mention “same” division, but the Pistons know all of Moose’s limitations and weaknesses.
        Max, is right. Trades, especially between 12/15 and 12/19 is the burning theme.
        Joe is working the phones, right about now!

  • Dec 14, 20138:42 pm
    by gmehl

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    I agree with Windy above that I’d only be dealing with the Suns if we can get one of there 1st rounders. And I’m not talking about the ones that project to fall late in the 1st round. I’m happy with Jennings running the point and just feel he needs more shooters to pass to and it just seems that the best way to acquire them is to off load moose. Maybe both the Morris twins and a mid-1st rounder for Monroe and parts.

    • Dec 14, 20139:29 pm
      by Brady Fredericksen

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      You know, I saw the news that they were looking to deal their picks for more solidified players after the fact. I don’t think Monroe+CV for Dragic+Morris/Picks works if that’s actually how they’re functioning. BUT, I do think Monroe is the kind of piece they may be looking for.

      If the Suns are actually good (and who really thinks they are?) is their own likely mid-round pick more valuable than Morris? Probably. But why would they get rid of that pick AND their second-best player? 

      • Dec 14, 20139:43 pm
        by Max

        Reply

        Because none of the pieces the Suns would be sending back are nearly equal to Monroe on their own including the pick.   They would possibly make the deal because conventional wisdom dictates that the time that gets the best player wins the deal and in that regard, they are clearly getting the best player and it’s not close.   

        • Dec 14, 201310:12 pm
          by mubin

          Reply

          dragic isnt far from monroe. all monroe has a post game. cant shoot, defend, run the floor and he will get a max contract because nba gm’s role like that. paying gay 19 mill wtf!!

          • Dec 14, 201310:19 pm
            by Max

            He’s a 24 year old center who is a double double machine.   It doesn’t matter if Dragic is nearly as good as him as a player or even better because it’s their relative trade value that is at question and not their quality of play.  

  • Dec 14, 20138:52 pm
    by hirobeats

    Reply

    I obviously don’t hold Goran Dragic with the same regard as some of my fellow commentators, or the poster. I think he is a plus player, no doubt. And MAY even be a more complete PG than Jennings is right now. But if so, not by much. It’s my opinion that Jennings’ youth, and potential FAR eclipse Dragic. I think that Jennings issues are a in his head, not a lack in ability to play the PG position, as it was the case with BK7-11. What I mean to say is, Jennings will likely get better, Dragic will likely not. 

  • Dec 14, 20139:35 pm
    by OOtis

    Reply

    Simply put, Monroe’s the best player in this deal.  Thus, I wouldn’t do it.
    Everyone knows that the front line is an unusual fit, and down the line, one of them comes off the bench if they all stay.  Until there’s an offer that fetches a better player than Monroe (which I doubt will happen), the plan ought to be (1) enjoy the fact this season that we have more talent than in the past five years, (2) Keep those talented players, make the playoffs, take our lumps and grow from it, then (3) go get a small forward with the MLE next summer after we retain Monroe.  Stuckey might stay too, but if he continues playing like he is now, that’s okay as well.

    • Dec 14, 20139:39 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      This is more or less how I think except that I would be willing to trade Monroe for any near equal who fits better and would aggressively pursue such a scenario. 

    • Dec 14, 201310:17 pm
      by mubin

      Reply

      cant keep monroe. the pistons will definitely trade him, thats why dumars didnt extend him. if u WASTE money on him, u cant sign anyone else, your team stays at a dead end and drummond is heading into free agency and u cant pay one of the best young talents and imo the best center in the east already. horrible idea to even consider keeping monroe and thats why he will be dealt if not this season, than a sign and trade in the off season. 

      • Dec 14, 201310:23 pm
        by Max

        Reply

        Dude, you have no idea what you’re talking about.  You can still trade Monroe after signing him and they won’t have to extend Drummond until Smith is easy to trade or off the books.  

      • Dec 15, 20135:20 am
        by oats

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        @ Mubin. Detroit has Monroe’s Bird rights, so they can go over the cap to bring him back. So let’s say the team decides to renounce their bird rights to CV and Stuckey. Renouncing CV is going to happen. Doing so with Stuckey isn’t quite a given, but that is the most likely scenario for what happens if the team does not deal anyone before the off season. If the team does that then they will be able to sign a player to the cap space the team has minus the cap hold on Monroe. That will leave Detroit with about $9.5 million to spend on free agents this summer. After that money is spent they can then give Monroe a max contract. That will put them over the salary cap, but still well below the luxury tax. So even without making a move this year the team could spend money in free agency.
         
        Not only is it inaccurate to say the team can’t spend money elsewhere, it’s also inaccurate to say the team won’t be able to pay Drummond. See, they hold the bird rights to Drummond as well and would be able to go over the salary cap to retain him too. Monroe’s next contract will have exactly no bearing on whether the team can afford Drummond. They can and will have Drummond past his rookie deal.

        • Dec 15, 201312:36 pm
          by OOtis

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          I’m not an expert on the cap, but the Pistons could also sign Stuckey quickly and use the MLE for a small forward.  Then they have a lot of tradable pieces and can go from there.  Right now, it’s about collecting talent, and they’re doing a nice job.

  • Dec 14, 20139:38 pm
    by DetroitP

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    I think this trade is terrible.  I worst than billups AI.  A future all star some a below average startin pg? No hell no.  Typing on my phone btw sorry such poor grammar.  I still think moose beal is possible

    • Dec 14, 201310:21 pm
      by mubin

      Reply

      lol u act like monroe is much better. also think of contracts and resigning drumomnd. plus with monroe u give up free agency and u stay like this. in other words u waste drummonds time and he leaves. signing smith was horrible and now they have to trade monroe to make up for that money they paid that bum. if monroe is dealt however, smith becomes a beast again.

    • Dec 15, 20131:47 am
      by T Casey

      Reply

      Beal is averaging barely 41% from the field on his career. Pair that with Jennings 39% and Smith’s 38% and you’ve got a recipe for disaster. Although, Smith’s fg% will likely rise at the 4 spot, that’s still going to account for a lot of bad shots and bricks each game.

      • Dec 15, 20132:21 am
        by Max

        Reply

        Maybe but if you’re going to set the bar higher than Beal than I kind of doubt any trade for Monroe will be possible.  The only passingly realistic names I’d like better are Thompson, Batum and Leonard but those guys are going to be tough to come by.  Parsons I like about equal to Beal but he’s probably not available either.   In any case, Beal has got to be one of the top five realistic targets and the Wizards would probably decline to deal him.   If that’s your threshold, I’d say just stick with Monroe.  That’s about my threshold actually but I would do the deal for any of the names I just mentioned including Beal.  

      • Dec 15, 20136:05 am
        by oats

        Reply

        @ T Casey. Do you realize that Beal is shooting .439 from 3 this year, yet he is only at .407 from the field? That tells me that Washington is relying too heavily on Beal, and he should probably be taking less than 19 shots a game. For that matter, he probably shouldn’t be playing 40 minutes a game either. Extremely high volume shooting tends to hurt efficiency, and Detroit wouldn’t ask him to shoot so much. That should help quite a bit. Even if it doesn’t, Beal’s outside shooting would go a long ways to balancing Detroit’s attack and helping their half court offense.
         
        Anyways, FG% is a pretty flawed stat since it doesn’t account for the extra point gained from hitting a 3 or from getting to the line and making free throws. That’s why true shooting percentage exists, and Beal has a career average of .513. That’s pretty much right on the average for guards in the NBA, and that is enough to make him more efficient than any guard in Detroit this year other than Rodney Stuckey. Well, Singler has been really efficient so far this year too, but he’s more of a SF than a guard. I should also note that Stuckey’s career average is .514, so I don’t know how much Detroit would be able to count on his efficiency if he stays with the team past this year. Still, Beal is such a strong 3 point shooter that just cutting back drastically on two point attempts would cause his efficiency to take a huge jump upwards. It should also be noted that true shooting percentage includes free throw shooting, and Beal only attempts 2.8 of them a game. Some of that is on him being a jump shooter that doesn’t really know how to create contact, and some of it is not getting the benefit of the doubt from refs because he is a young player. This should be a correctable problem to some extent, and if it’s combined with him taking fewer 2 point attempts then it should result in Beal becoming a highly efficient scorer. We’re talking about a 20 year old here, so keep in mind that he isn’t a finished product by any means.

        • Dec 15, 20135:23 pm
          by T Casey

          Reply

          That’s a good point. I haven’t seen too much of the Wizards play tbh. I was going on the basic stats. If that’s the case, then I do see the value he could add a squad like ours. Still, I’d prefer if we could manage to swing a player like Beal without losing Monroe, but that’s probably not happening as he’s likely our best trade asset right now.
           
          I’ll concede that might be a reasonable trade on second thought.

          • Dec 15, 20135:37 pm
            by oats

            I think Beal for Monroe straight up is a pretty even deal. They have pretty similar production right now. Monroe is at a premium because he’s a big man, but Beal has 2 years on rookie deal while Monroe will need a huge raise next year. I think I’d actually throw in a second round pick for Beal if that’s what it takes to get it done. I really don’t see any way that Detroit has what it takes to trade for a 20 year old kid scoring 20 points a game without giving up one of Monroe or Drummond though, and obviously Detroit won’t consider moving Drummond for Beal.

  • Dec 14, 20139:51 pm
    by Miriam

    Reply

    I hope this trade never happens, as a suns fan i say that Dragic is so underrated, take a look at him when they play the pistons in January, and you will see what am talking about.

    • Dec 15, 201310:50 am
      by joe

      Reply

      I agree with you the Pistons need to keep their garbage and the Suns need to keep their garbage, lol

  • Dec 14, 201310:20 pm
    by Mr Woods

    Reply

    @Mubin: I’m with you 100% bro.  Monroe + Charlie V for Green & that Italian center they have in Boston. I think the contracts match. I would send Bynum to NY/Chicago for a 2rd pick too

    • Dec 14, 201310:24 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      I guess you’re with Stupid.  

    • Dec 14, 201310:31 pm
      by mubin

      Reply

      i would love green, but dont see boston dealing him unless they get draft picks. bostons wants to rebuild and will likely ask for picks. if i was the joe d, i would be willing to give a future 1st rounder and monroe for green and a shooter like lee. and a 3rd team can jump in a provide other possibilities. drummon id developing super quick and if this team gets a 3 like green and moves smith back to the 4, we can make some noise in a year. 

      My trade philosophie has always been to look at what we get  and how it helps us over what we give up. sure monroe is a great young big, but he doesnt fit and u would be wasting his talents putting him on a bench and u wont pay him for a bench role. trading him for green essentially does the team justice. and u get to keep drummond 

      • Dec 14, 201310:36 pm
        by Max

        Reply

        The Celtics would be jumping up and down with joy if the Pistons offered Monroe straight up for Green.  You are way off.  They are the ones who would have to sweeten the deal and it would have be considerable.   
        If Boston is looking to rebuild, and they are, there is almost nothing they could do that would be better than getting a 24 year old center like Monroe.  
        Also, they are currently in no danger of losing Drummond so that is not a factor.  

        • Dec 15, 201310:07 am
          by Corey

          Reply

          I crack up every time someone mentions that we might lose Andre because we can’t afford him. That will never ever happen, no matter what else they have to do. 

      • Dec 15, 20139:47 am
        by Tim Thielke

        Reply

        You would be the most popular GM for other teams’ fans since Isiah Thomas.

  • Dec 14, 201310:33 pm
    by Max

    Reply

    I’m not someone who underrates Dragic.  I like his game.   The problem with trading Monroe for him is that one of them is a coveted piece and one of them is not.   Unfortunately for Dragic, the NBA is loaded with great point guards right now which makes him an average starter at best.   Monroe on the other hand is a 24 year old center with the potential to put up 20 and 10 and it’s a very short list of players about whom there is even the possibility of that happening.   That’s why Monroe is worth so much more than Dragic in terms of trade value and you don’t grossly give away trade value in a trade whether a player fits on your team or not.  And in this case, the incoming player doesn’t even fit well because the Pistons already have Jennings so as someone else said, you don’t make this trade unless you’ve already got a trade in place for Jennings.  
    The Knicks once had Mark Jackson win ROY and then drafted Rod Strickland.   They then traded Strickland for an over the hill Mo Cheeks and that trade still haunts longtime Knicks’ fans because Cheeks was done and Strickland had great value and was productive for the following 10-15 years after that trade.  They should have waited until a better deal came alone and the Pistons need to show patience as well.  

    • Dec 15, 20139:51 am
      by Tim Thielke

      Reply

      If you trade Monroe for another guy who creates fit issues, you have to bring back greater value than you send out.

  • Dec 14, 201311:12 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

    Reply

    Need to get a read good Small Forward out of the deal….. or we still have most of the same problems .,… team would just pack the paint even easier.  The reason a good small forwards are so crucial is that a good one can adjust to attacking both bigger or smaller defenders if necessary and play in or out depending on who else is on the floor … 

  • Dec 15, 201312:11 am
    by Jodi "The Guru" Jezz

    Reply

    Hahahahahahahaha!.. Dumars wouldn’t disrespect the Pistons like that and agree to a trade like this…No offense Brady, but please don’t make trade proposals…

  • Dec 15, 201312:23 am
    by Max

    Reply

    I posted this about a month ago and nothing has changed.  It took a decent amount of work and I thought it was worth reposting.   This is the full list of possiblities and I don’t think I can take any Monroe proposal seriously unless it includes one of the names I’ve put in bold face.  
    You might not respond to me but I’d love see a list of productive wings on favorable contracts.    I’ll try making a list myself and I’ll include a full list of every decent wing in the league and put the only real possibilities who would actually help the Pistons and could actually be traded in bold.  Jeff Green  -  9 million, runs through 2016: not sure how much he moves the needlePaul Pierce – 15 million, free agent after this year: too old.  Joe Johnson – 25 million! in 2016: too old even without the ridiculous contractCarmelo Anthony – 21 million, free agent after this year: will never come to DetroitIman Shumpert – Rookie deal though 2016: He’s a good player to get but Monroe is worth so much more.J.R. Smith –  6 million through 2016: Adding another shot happy, no conscious jerk is not a good idea. Thaddeus Young -9 million though 2016: Redundant with Smith and not a good enough shooter.  Evan Turner – 9 million qualifier next year:  Not a good enough shooter.DeMar DeRozan – 10 million through 2017: Not a good enough shooter.Rudy Gay – 19 million though 2015: Not a good enough shooter.Luol Deng – 14 million going into free agency: Too often hurt.Jimmy Butler –  On rookie deal: The Bulls will never trade with the Pistons and he’s not worth Monroe.Dion Waiters – On rookie deal: Not the worst option but not worth Monroe.   O.J. Mayo – 8 million through 2016: I suppose the Pistons could do worse. Paul George – 19 million in 2018: Untouchable.  Danny Granger – 14 million going into free agency: Always hurt and who knows what he has left? Kyle Korver – 6 million though 2017: Not nearly worth Monroe.  LeBron James – 20 million going into free agency: Untouchable.Dwayne Wade – 19 million going into free agency: Untouchable  Moe Harkless – On rookie deal: Doesn’t shoot well enough.Aaron Afflalo – 7.5 million through 2015: Never should have been traded.   Viable option but Orlando should include more.  Bradley Beal – On rookie deal: Good player to trade for.  Otto Porter – On rookie deal: total mystery right now and definitely not worth Monroe.James Harden – 18 million through 2018: UntouchableChandlers Parsons – 1 million through 2015: Not sure if Rockets would have any interest given that they have Howard but it might be worth investigating.  Tony Allen – 5 million through 2017: Doesn’t shoot well enough.Tyreke Evans – 11 million through 2017: Doesn’t shoot well enough.Eric Gordon – 15 million through 2016: Too often hurt and too big a risk with his contract.Danny Green – 4 million through 2015: Isn’t scoring so great this year and the Pistons would have to get a lot more.  Kawhi Leonard – 3 million through 2015: Worth doing but hard to see the Spurs parting with Leonard.Danilo Gallinari – 12 million through 2016: Always hurt with too risky a contract.  Wilson Chandler – 7 million through 2015: Always hurt and Monroe is worth much more.  Kevin Martin – 7 million through 2017.  Hard to see the Wolves dealing Martin right now and they don’t need Monroe.   Nicholas Batum – 12 million through 2016:  Viable option if the Blazers had any interest. Wesley Matthews – 7 million through 2015: Viable option if Blazers are willing to add to the deal. Kevin Durant – 21 million through 2016: UntouchableGordon Hayward On rookie deal: Viable option if the Jazz were interested but they don’t need Monroe.Andre Iguodala 12 million through 2017: Would just never happen right now.  Klay Thompson – On rookie deal and the Warriors are not trading him. Kobe Bryant 30 million and going into free agency: Nuff said.  Marcus Thornton 8.5 million through 2015: Not worth trading Monroe for is he’s the best player coming back.  Ben McLermore On rookie deal: Somewhat intriguing.Unless I left anyone out, that’s every wing with decent trade value in the league.   

    • Dec 15, 201312:24 am
      by Max

      Reply

      Sorry about the format but it was the result of a copy and paste that comes out weird.  

    • Dec 15, 201312:28 am
      by Jodi "The Guru" Jezz

      Reply

      We’re not trading Monroe anytime soon…

    • Dec 15, 20138:10 am
      by gmehl

      Reply

      Max you left out Harrison Barnes

    • Dec 15, 20139:44 am
      by oats

      Reply

      Lance Stephenson is really good, but Indy won’t trade him unless West goes down.Even then it’s doubtful.
       
      Orlando won’t trade Oladipo, but I’d like to have him.
       
      The guard for the Knicks that I’d want is Tim Hardaway Jr. Shumpert’s defense is a bit overrated, and he stinks on offense. Hardaway is younger, cheaper, can make a jump shot, and he is only just starting his rookie deal. I can’t find a logical trade involving Hardaway though since the Knicks have so few assets right now.
       
      I could see a package built around Avery Bradley making sense. He’s finally hitting 3s, he can defend SGs, and Boston has a lot of assets. Bradley, Sullinger, and a pick likely does it. Alternatively they can replace Sullinger with multiple picks.
       
      I’d also think about Middleton/Antetokounmpo, Henson, and a pick.

      • Dec 15, 20135:25 pm
        by sebastian

        Reply

        Oats, you got a good eye, my man. I believe folks are going to need to learn how to pronounce Giannis Antetokounmpo’s name. That kid can play!

        • Dec 15, 20136:06 pm
          by oats

          Reply

          That’s why nicknames exist, and The Greek Freak is a pretty solid nickname. He’s the one of the guys I was wrong about in this draft. He’s been as good if not better in the NBA than he was in the 3rd division of the Greek league and I did not see that coming. Given that he’s also the youngest player in the NBA, that is something that catches my eye. Throw in Henson to be a solid 3rd big man plus a pick, and that’s something I’d have to think about at least.

    • Dec 15, 201310:21 am
      by Tim Thielke

      Reply

      I figure the top options are:

      Monroe for Beal straight up
      Monroe for McLemore straight up
      Monroe+Jerebko for Green+pick+maybe Sullinger
      Monroe+Jerebko for Afflalo+pick+maybe Harris
      Monroe+Jerebko+Villanueva+Bynum for Gordon+Anderson+pick
      Monroe for Waiters+pick
      Monroe+Jennings to PHX, Jennings+Villanueva+both Morrises to LAL, Gasol+Dragic+PHX pick to DET

  • Dec 15, 20132:42 am
    by Brandon Knight

    Reply

    I want Nicholas Batum 
     

  • Dec 15, 20132:53 am
    by domnick

    Reply

    jeff green is the better trade idea… but have to get marshon brooks too

    • Dec 15, 20132:04 pm
      by Keith

      Reply

      It kills me a little inside that people still don’t realize how average Jeff Green is. He was terrible in OKC, missed an entire year from a heart problem, and only looks good in the box score because Boston doesn’t have any good players. Green has turned into a quality scorer with above average efficiency, but he’s not good at anything else. He’s a poor passer and rebounder, still a defensive liability, and signed for a lot more than a role player should make.

      Monroe is more than a role player. He’s not necessarily a star, but he’s a guy that can lay the foundation for a team (think Al Jefferson). Jeff Green is a role player. You don’t trade the former for the latter unless you are dumping salary.

  • Dec 15, 20133:06 am
    by Jacob

    Reply

    We can now officially trade J Smoove!!!!!!!!

    • Dec 15, 20132:49 pm
      by Jodi "The Guru" Jezz

      Reply

      Why on earth would we trade Smith??. You guys underrate Smith’s presence on our team…

      • Dec 15, 20133:25 pm
        by Keith

        Reply

        Smith’s presence exacerbates Jennings’ presence. He doesn’t fit at SF. It’s easy to say that moving him to PF is a better fit than Monroe at PF but we don’t really know that. Smith makes our offense worse and our defense better. Monroe does the opposite. Both can play PF, and neither currently fit with the way the rest of the team is constructed. Monroe is younger. Smith is a worse fit at SF than Monroe is at PF. Even if we say Smith is a better PF than Monroe (and that IS debatable), the return in any trade is going to matter a lot on how good the remaining player fits.

        Honestly, trading Smith or Monroe both leave issues with the team. We should look for the best deal we can get, and trade whichever of Monroe or Smith that make it possible.

  • Dec 15, 20136:30 am
    by lamon299

    Reply

    Bad trade don’t do it josh Smith needs to go

  • Dec 15, 20139:40 am
    by Corey

    Reply

    Not nearly enough back. I wouldn’t trade Monroe unless I was getting back a probable allstar at a perimeter spot

  • Dec 15, 201312:39 pm
    by OOtis

    Reply

    Good big men are hard to find, yes we have three, but if the best player we got back in a Monroe trade was Goran Dragic, I’d vomit.

  • Dec 15, 20132:08 pm
    by Paul Williams

    Reply

    Not a huge fan of this trade, how about this….
    To Phoenix:
    Josh Smith, Jonas Jerebko, and Will Bynum
    To Detroit:
    Emeka Okaefor, Morris Twins, First Round Pick
     
    Phoenix gets a player to build around in Smith, we get serviceable bodies in the Morris twins, a pick, and Okaefor’s $14 million coming off the books in the off season. That leaves the Pistons about $30 million next year to seal up Moose and make a push for better suited wing help.

    • Dec 15, 20132:29 pm
      by Keith

      Reply

      This is a nice, forward-thinking move. I can understand why people prefer to trade Monroe (he’s really a center, and would have to play primarily PF with Drummond around), but a deal like that makes a lot of sense. One of the twins would probably move into the SF position, and even if they have a some trouble defending, it wouldn’t be much worse than what we have. Further, both are good shooters, and having a shooter at SF will make a Monroe-Drummond pairing a lot more palatable. The other becomes a stretch PF alongside Dre or Monroe.

      We would have to require that the pick be unprotected, though, and I’m not sure the Suns would go for it. We would have to get something out of this year’s draft, and then make a run at a free agent. I honestly don’t see us landing a top player, but guys like Gordon Hayward, Danny Granger, and Luol Deng would easily be in play, and all would provide significant upgrades on the wing. Hell, we could pay one of them AND a guy like Kyle Lowry, then dump the Brandon Jennings experience.

  • Dec 15, 20133:24 pm
    by Lorenzo

    Reply

    Not the worst proposal I have seen, but really seems like a lateral move. Teams don’t usually pull the trigger on those…I would probably just hang onto Monroe and try to resign him if this was the best available. 

    • Dec 15, 20133:29 pm
      by Keith

      Reply

      Honestly, that’s normally what happens. OKC traded Harden early because they couldn’t afford his contract. The vast majority of quality rookies (since the inception of restricted free agency) resign with their initial teams, even if the initial team is overpaying to keep them. Even overrated players don’t end up getting traded until their second contracts.

  • Dec 15, 20134:00 pm
    by frankie d

    Reply

    I have asked this question before and no one has answered:  when was the last time a team traded a young big like  monroe?
    Closest comparison is bogut but that is not applicable because of bogut’s bad injury history and because he was actually still injured and out when he was traded. Monroe has been an iron man.
    Fact: teams simply do not trade young bigs like monroe because it is a realy, really dumb thing to do.  Hopefully dumars is not dumb enough to do it.  Especially for a combo guard who is 3 years older.  Fortunately,  there are lots of those guys around.  Not too many 7 footers with monroe’s skills.
    L

    • Dec 15, 20134:58 pm
      by oats

      Reply

      Al Jefferson and bodies for KG. Jefferson had more injury problems than Monroe, but he also had another year on his rookie deal. That’s the last player with a similar profile to Monroe getting moved that I can come up with. I don’t see the equivalent of an angry KG trying to push his way out of town though, so it’s not the most useful point of reference.

      • Dec 15, 20136:25 pm
        by frankie d

        Reply

        So…he was traded for another 7 footer, a future hall of famer, former league mvp who would be the centerpiece of the next nba title team.
        And detroit fans are talking about trading monroe for an older combo guard who has never made an all star team?
        How crazy is that?

        • Dec 15, 20138:47 pm
          by oats

          Reply

          A 27 year old guard putting up 19.6 points and 6.3 assists a game while shooting really well? I mean, he’s not that old and has a case for making the All Star game this year. Dragic almost certainly won’t make it since Bledsoe likely will, but Dragic is playing at roughly an All Star level of play. Plus Detroit gets a young player that looks like a solid rotation player and maybe even a good starter down the road. Since there isn’t a star as obviously disgruntled as KG hanging around it isn’t all that crazy.
           
          This trade idea makes the team better now, leaves them with room to grow if Morris does in fact pan out, and opens up the possibility of trading either that 27 year old guard or a rather inefficient starter in Jennings. Both Dragic and Morris are pretty bad defenders so I’m not exactly in love with this trade scenario, yet if the Pistons can line up a deal for Jennings then it could definitely be a good move. That alone means it isn’t all that crazy.

          • Dec 15, 20139:09 pm
            by Max

            Again, I can only see the possibility of this trade working at all if a Jennings deal is completely lined up to happen simultaneously and it had better be a good trade.   This is the problem though: the Pistons would have exactly the same needs and problems post trade as they do now except they won’t be nearly as dominant inside or on the boards.   This brings up the question of how they trade Jennings for the wing they desperately need when they couldn’t get that player by trading Monroe. 

          • Dec 15, 20139:50 pm
            by frankie d

            i actually like dragic.  he’s a pretty nice little player.
            but teams just don’t make that kind of trade and for good reason.  it is a helluva lot easier to find a dragic like player than it is to find a 7 footer like monroe.
            like i said…show me another team that has made that kind of trade.
            there isn’t one because teams just don’t trade quality bigs for good small guys.
            it just doesn’t happen.

  • Dec 15, 20134:21 pm
    by frankie d

    Reply

    The obvious move is to trade smith.  He cost the team nothing – except for cap space – and he has value.  Get whatever you can for him – picks , solid rotation playyer – and move on.  Admit this little experiment was a failure and try to position yourself to acquire the wing scorer/defender who will fit next to drumroe.  Imho, a guy like wesley johnson would work very well.  This team doesnt need an all star wing.  They just need a solid 3 and d guy.
    Here in portland they did it right.  They needed a defensive center and depth.  They acquired both, did not distort their roster and put their main guys- LA & lillard –  in bad circumstances and the results have been great.
    Joe d needs to take notes.  
    Joe d:  monroe and drummond are the team’s core.  Any player you bring on board is supposed to compliment them, not take away from their ability to impact games.
    Unfortunately he ignored that simple fact when he signed smith and jennings.  Never too late to get back on track.

    • Dec 15, 20134:54 pm
      by Pimp Zombie

      Reply

      Smith is 1000 better as a PF….he’d be an upgrade over monroe at the position in every way, I feel…

      • Dec 15, 20135:05 pm
        by oats

        Reply

        Except for the fact that he isn’t. We already have a very good idea of what kind of PF Smith is since he’s played it most of his career. While he was much better than he’s been at SF, his tendency to take jump shots makes him a harmful offensive player. Monroe is a useful offensive player and a harmful defensive player. They really were pretty similar in terms of on court production even last year, yet Monroe has had his efficiency go back up and his defense improve while Smith has taken significant steps in the wrong direction on offense. I’d say that last year I’d give the edge to Smith, but I think I would give Monroe the edge as a player now.

  • Dec 15, 20134:31 pm
    by Pimp Zombie

    Reply

    Ppl insist Monroe still has upside. He’s Horace Grant without the 15 footer. Max him out if you dare. He’s a consistent jumper away from being the 3rd best player on a championship team.

    • Dec 15, 20134:46 pm
      by Pimp Zombie

      Reply

      My point is: Trade now…while his value is at its highest and let someone else overpay him….Gimme Gallinari from Denver STRAIGHT UP.

      • Dec 15, 20135:28 pm
        by oats

        Reply

        Will Gallinari ever stay healthy? I mean, he’s yet to play this year due to injuries. In the last 4 years he missed 20 games, 23 games, 11 games, and now 22 games and counting. Is that really a smart risk?
         
        On another note, Monroe is a 3rd player on a contender if he doesn’t improve at all. He’s already a 16 and 9. He’s 23. Believe it or not, but most 23 year olds haven’t peaked. What’s more, it’s pretty common for guys to have their productivity plateau for a few years before having a sudden leap. I’m not saying it’s a given that Monroe will get a lot better, but he likely does get better. He’ll likely become an 18 and 9 guy, and he could definitely become a 20 and 10 guy. Keep in mind we are talking about a post rookie deal max player, which is 4 years and $62 million. That’s not that bad of a deal for a young big who is playing as well as Monroe.

        • Dec 15, 20139:11 pm
          by Max

          Reply

          I want no part of Gallo and wouldn’t trade a 2nd round pick for him due to his contract.  

    • Dec 15, 20139:10 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      Horace Grant was a great defender and didn’t have a post game so I think comparing him to Monroe makes no sense.  

  • Dec 15, 20135:09 pm
    by @GPMasters

    Reply

    Of all the possible hypothetical Monroe trades one could have put together to “generate discussion” …
    This is an absolute joke proposition, such a bad return for Monroe haha – struggling to understand why it’s deemed article-worthy?? 

    • Dec 15, 20139:13 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      The only thing I can say on the plus side for this article is that I like the format and general idea of it as a series and in particular that it’s a trade no one was thinking of or has mentioned previously.   Brady could have started with a Green trade for instance but that’s pretty boring since we’ve already debated that idea to death.   This was a like a totally new subject.  

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