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Pistons avenge earlier loss to Chicago, no longer have a losing record

Detroit Pistons 92 FinalRecap | Box Score 75 Chicago Bulls
Greg Monroe, PF 36 MIN | 3-10 FG | 2-4 FT | 12 REB | 3 AST | 2 STL | 2 BLK | 3 TO | 8 PTS | +20Monroe didn’t have the prettiest stat line, but he owned the paint in the second half. Even as Drummond sat, Chicago’s bigs were worse than useless.Also, he seems to be developing some real chemistry with Caldwell-Pope. Early in the game, Monroe made a lane to the basket appear for Caldwell-Pope by placing the ball perfectly on a pass. Later, he somehow split a pair of Bulls as he fell out of bounds saving a tough rebound to KCP.
Josh Smith, SF 35 MIN | 2-11 FG | 2-2 FT | 10 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 5 TO | 7 PTS | +15Smith continues to take bad shots and miss good ones. This has been a rough season for him. But he also gets tons of deflections and hockey assists that just don’t make it into the box score.
Andre Drummond, C 30 MIN | 4-11 FG | 0-0 FT | 14 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 3 TO | 8 PTS | -2It’s amazing the Drummond got 30 minutes given his foul problems and the fact that he got hobbled in the second half. But he made his presence felt while on the floor. On one possession in the second quarter, the Pistons managed to get six offensive rebounds (five of them by Drummond!) before Dre eventually flushed the ball home.Drummond’s inability to push Muhammad around was disconcerting.
Brandon Jennings, PG 42 MIN | 12-22 FG | 4-4 FT | 3 REB | 5 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 33 PTS | +25When Jennings actually scores efficiently, he’s really good. Of course, it speaks volumes that the commentators referred to him as “hitting everything” and “unable to miss” in a game where he hit one more than half of his shots.
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG 38 MIN | 4-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 9 PTS | +19Caldwell-Pope had a couple highlight moments, but he didn’t do much else in between. His defense was again good, but his production should really be higher for 38 minutes of playing time.
Josh Harrellson, PF 13 MIN | 4-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 3 BLK | 0 TO | 10 PTS | +16Harrellson was the most important player in the third quarter stretch when Detroit pulled away. The basketball being played at that point was really ugly; everyone was making mistakes more often than not, and Harrellson’s play was no exception. But he outhustled everyone and hustle is even more important in a sloppy game.Harrellson had some beautiful blocks including one that somehow got called a foul.
Jonas Jerebko, PF 7 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 3 PTS | -3Jerebko played a couple minutes of very good D and hit what felt at the time like a huge three. But he seems to have lost the hustle and do-it-all tendencies that made him so much fun early in his career.
Kyle Singler, SF 22 MIN | 4-5 FG | 2-3 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 2 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 12 PTS | +5Singler did a miserable job of covering Dunleavy, but contributed more than he gave up. It was a solid outing.
Peyton Siva, PG 6 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 0 PTS | -8Siva played without making too many mistakes (just one ugly shot and one intended lob that was awful–it clanked off the rim), but he still doesn’t look like an NBA caliber player.With Siva on the floor, the Pistons essentially play 4-on-5 offensively, so you have to hope he completely shuts down his man so that his presence is a wash.
Rodney Stuckey, SG 10 MIN | 0-3 FG | 2-2 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | -2Rough night for Stuckey. But it seems his knee was probably to blame. Here’s hoping he gets well soon, the Pistons have really needed Stuckey so far this year.
Maurice Cheeks
After getting beaten up in a close first half, the Pistons came out swinging to open the third quarter and din’t let up. I don’t know if that’s on Cheeks, but he certainly didn’t seem to screw anything up in this game. That’s enough to keep me happy.

Two Things We Saw

  1. Both Stuckey and Drummond went down in this game (Drummond returned, Stuckey didn’t). But a Bulls squad missing Rose, Deng, and Butler won’t offer any sympathy.
  2. The Pistons are getting it done on the road. They hadn’t won at the United Center since 2006, but are now one of just two teams to win in Chicago this year (along with New Orleans) as well as one of just two teams to win in Miami (along with Boston).

50 Comments

  • Dec 8, 20132:30 am
    by mixmasta

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    And we are now a .500 team!
    A 4 game streak.
    What more can I ask for?
    Another test coming up in our home turf with the Heat.
     
    BTW, had fun reading your work Tim.

  • Dec 8, 20132:56 am
    by pistons moribund

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    No Deng, no Rose, no offense for the bulls.  Better to be lucky then good.

    • Dec 8, 20133:02 am
      by mixmasta

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      Ain’ t this the same Bulls team that beat the Heat a few days back? What does that tell you?

      • Dec 8, 20133:25 am
        by CF4714

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        Not the same team, Bulls had both Deng who dropped 20 and defended LeBron well.

        • Dec 8, 20139:51 am
          by KaBa

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          You know, who cares really? I mean in the end it’s just a win, nothing more or less. The last time I checked the only thing counted have been victories. So if an opponent is playing with just 5 players, I could not care less. Getting enough wins for the playoffs is the only thing that counts.

          • Dec 8, 20139:57 am
            by Brigs

            We only had stuckey for a few mins so I think u gotta call that a wash with deng

  • Dec 8, 20133:35 am
    by Brigs

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    .500 baby I called 

  • Dec 8, 20134:05 am
    by pistonspoland

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    I just would like to know what do you expect from KCP? He should contribute more, that is shoot more? I think that he played one of the best games so far with a great defense, he kept Tony Snell to 3-12 shooting and he also made 50% of his shots (one from distance). There is nothing more that we could ask KCP to do right now. He finally settled and isn’t rushing his shots. I think he deserves A-, maybe B+. 

    • Dec 8, 20136:45 am
      by Roc

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      I totally agree. I thought KCP played well.  He played solid defense and hit half his shots. He only took 8 shots and that’s not his fault.  I would definitely give him a bolide B. 

      • Dec 8, 201310:23 am
        by OOtis

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        I like watching Pope close down three point shooters on defense – he did a great job at that tonight.  He’s really been part of the solution since he entered the lineup.  I think Tim’s grade shows his expectations going up on Pope.
         
        Monroe, Knight – flipped for Jennings, Drummond, and now Pope – Dumars is running well, baby!

        • Dec 8, 201311:06 am
          by WilliezWorld

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          He really has redeemed himself with his picks IMHO. And the ones listed here are just first rounders. He also hit on Stuckey (just been used improperly and never should’ve been considered the future of the team), Singler, Middleton (needed to trade him to score Jennings but a + pick nonetheless), and we have good future front court depth with Mitchell. I’d love to have a first rounder this year, but that’s spilled milk. 
          There area some note able misses in there but that’s life. Right now the team is clicking and as Coach Sheed would say, “tha ball don’t lie!”

          • Dec 8, 20131:24 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            FYI, Stuckey was a first rounder.

          • Dec 8, 20134:13 pm
            by jamesjones_det

            I’m not so sure you can call Stuckey a “hit”.  He’s had one or two OK years, I would say he’s played to about what I expect a 15th overall player to be (a role player).

          • Dec 8, 20135:22 pm
            by WilliezWorld

            Yeah Tim, meant lotto picks.

          • Dec 8, 20138:07 pm
            by Max

            Then your expectations for a 15th pick are way too high.   Most of them suck so bad they are never worthy of starting a single season.  

          • Dec 9, 201312:34 am
            by WilliezWorld

            Well if you expect a 15th overall to be a role player, then by your very definition he is a “hit”. I say “hit” as opposed to “miss”, not as in “the guy is a rockstar of a pick”. He was drafted at a spot where you hope to find a good role player, but he was cast as a potential franchise guy after that. By casting he is a dud, but by draft position, he has been a fine pick.

      • Dec 8, 201310:25 am
        by domnick

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        +1 me too… 4/8 not bad..

    • Dec 8, 201310:25 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      With KCP in the game, Snell shot 2-7. That sounds good (for Caldwell-Pope, bad for Snell obviously) but four of those misses came on plays when Snell beat KCP. He bricked one open shot, got blocked twice by Drummond, and once by Siva. To be fair, one of his makes, KCP covered him well.

      I have no problem with KCP shooting just 8 times and he did hit a high percentage. However, I have come to expect more rebounds and steals from him. Also, he was usually out of position when ball handlers got bottled up and really could have used a guy to get rid of the ball to.

      Still a solid game, but not a very good one.

      • Dec 8, 201310:32 am
        by domnick

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        man, we dont have rebounding problem so why ask him to rebound.. he is not a big man…. we got 3 bigs who had 10+ rebounding game… steals? he can do that.. but if not then he can stop a guy from scoring… by challenging shots… i dont think he needs to steal alot.. and thats a risky move coz he might get fouls… and fouls??? if he gets fouls he’ll probably get a failing grade from you…
         
        i dont like your standard…. thats too high

  • Dec 8, 20134:05 am
    by WilliezWorld

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    This site sucks sometimes… Not because of the blog posters, but all of these doubting Thomas a** “fans” who just can’t be happy about some wins. Abother notch in the win column is worth just as much when it’s ugly as when it is a work of basketball artistry. Given where we are coming from, our wins will definitely be more on the ugly side than on the other, but that’s ok for a team on the rise. People here keep making excuses for why the other team lost as opposed to Detroit winning but just a month – hell 2 weeks – ago this team was finding ways to lose this type of game. Jennings is rapidly developing and growing, Drummond has arrived, Monroe is doing more good than negative, and KCP and Buckets are finding their stroke. Sure we could use some more development from Smoove but we are so far along based on where we are coming from, you sour-sap, used to sucking so can’t mentally compute improvement, don’t want to give the young guns some encouragement mofos are really annoying. There’s a wide chasm between constructive criticism while supporting and just being sorry jerks and many of you foolcrate on the wrong side… </rant> 

  • Dec 8, 20134:36 am
    by WilliezWorld

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    In case it isn’t clear, I’m very excited about this team. I think there is tons of upside as our pieces learn how to cooperate together. I’ve played on many teams before and it’snormal for new pieces – especially when most have been used to being “the man” – to exhibit some growing pains while coming together. At the end of the day, though, talent rules in bball. We have premier talent at most positions and the best part is that they all seem to be at least TRYING to fit into their new role. Instead of clamping for atraded in which it will be virtually impossible to get fair value I choose to support the work in progress!

  • Dec 8, 20136:11 am
    by KaBa

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    So if Jennings would score 50 pts and make 30 ast you would still find a way to criticise this guy? Since when are commentators the measure if someone is playing well, it speakes volumes that you are using that for your analysis.

    • Dec 8, 201310:10 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      I disregard commentators plenty when what they say is wrong or meaningless. But this time, I alluded to it because it was relevant.

      I thought Jennings played an excellent game so I gave him an A. But it is a bit sad that this was his best shooting night of the season. He has only had two other .500 or better games this season: 5-10 against the Bucks and 5-9 against the Heat (which is a higher percentage, but is still a worse shooting night because the difference is 7-13, which is good shooting).

      • Dec 8, 201310:27 am
        by domnick

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        no stuckey here.. so he has to take over… i hope billups will return soon.. coz we are thin at guards…
        siva is not reliable… he makes a pass = stupid pass…
        we need another guard… make will bynum a trade chip for a better backup PG

  • Dec 8, 20137:33 am
    by Ryank

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    The Pope comment demonstrates a real lack of understanding about basketball.  In the nba players fill roles.  Offensively,  Jenning is to score and assist, Drummond to rebound and play garbage man, Singler to spread the floor…of course there are other roles these guys play, but that’s part of what they are asked to do.  The Pope, he’s asked to hustle, defend, and take good shots.  He’s not asked to generate big “production” numbers.  That may become his role in the future, but it is not his role right now.

  • Dec 8, 20138:24 am
    by Headed in the Right Direction

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    ^^^ were finally getting more knowledgeable readers. Annnnnd were playing .500 basketball. Life is good.

    • Dec 8, 20139:15 am
      by WilliezWorld

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      I don’t think it’s so much that commenters aren’t knowledgeable so much as its an echo chamber amongst a very vocal small cohort. People like Otis who are so certain of their own infallible knowledge/logic that they don’t engage in constructive criticism. What they do – and this is what’s so destructive to a community like this – is scream louder whilst saying the same thing when anything happens. We KNOW people want Monroe gone, but it’s not going to happen until this experiment is proven a failure on the court and in the clubhouse. All indications are that this very combustible mix of personalities are getting along and building chemistry. Unless there is a sure-fire move that vaunts you to the top tier of the conference (a la Klay Thompson) then it’s just trading one experimental mix for another. This franchise isn’t contending for a ‘ship this year or the next 2 after that, so keeping ye frontline in tact long enough to REALLY jell and grow. Even if we do sign Monroe to a max deal, a productive 7-footer will always be moveable if it comes to that. I wish people would just STFU and enjoy the ride – bumpy as it may be – and support a team that is bustin it’s tail out there. 

    • Dec 8, 20139:17 am
      by WilliezWorld

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      I meant constructive dialogue, notconstructive criticism.

      • Dec 8, 201310:17 am
        by OOtis

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        HEY!  What you talking about?? I Love Monroe!  All-Star, baby!

        • Dec 8, 201310:52 am
          by WilliezWorld

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          Yeah, but there is another guy named just Otis… AllHHE wants to do is dump Moose for pennies on the dollar…

        • Dec 8, 201312:03 pm
          by Merwin

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          Hey Optimistic Otis.  Optimism isn’t about saying positive things that you don’t really believe.  It’s about learning that life has two sides to it and if you only see the negative, you are missing out on the best part of life:  the positive.  You don’t have to say you love Monroe, we know you don’t.  But you could notice that Drummond is fantastic, that Monroe is a much better player than could have been realistically hoped for when he was drafted, that Jennings is developing into a point that could actually work on this team, and many, many other positive things about the Pistons.  That’s all.

          • Dec 8, 20135:23 pm
            by gmehl

            I get the distinct feeling that i’m gonna be liking this OOtis guy stirring the pot

  • Dec 8, 20139:48 am
    by zdwtr

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    That line about jennings. is just stereotype man. can’t accept change. your lost

  • Dec 8, 20139:50 am
    by zdwtr

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    Nobody in this team once they wear the pistons blue, might that be CV, I expected to fail and feel good about, but sometimes smart ass comment that dissing someone who is on that day playing his best is just negativity at its best

  • Dec 8, 201310:10 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    It’s funny when we talk about knowledgeable fans…we always pick the ones that have the least expectation for the team…
    When people was in panic mode…saying here we go again…trashing Jennings…..i pointed out that he missed preseason and said it will take him about 10 games to get in tune with his teammates…people here down play his ability to manage a offense…the guy is averaging over 8assist per game.
    I said Pope defense will make us a better team….but people was look at a rookie saying he wasn’t ready to start because of three shooting
    Pistons are basically. Brand new team….we just have fans with old mind sets

    • Dec 8, 201310:55 am
      by WilliezWorld

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      You are absolutely correct. These things take time to come together. It’s sad, when we were on a tough streak early, these people were the first to comment. Now you can’t find them after a winning streak. Btw, I generally agree with your commentary. Even if I don’t share your love for Frank! 

  • Dec 8, 201310:13 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Josh Smith 2-11 but never did not play hard…eventually his offense is going to come… he didn’t shoot us out the game…and did the little things to you need to do when the shot isn’t falling for us to win

    • Dec 8, 201310:23 am
      by domnick

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      josh should try to attack more than to shoot long 2s… he can have his fts if he is more aggressive in attacking the rim…..
      he had a good buzzer beater 3 though… so proabably… more 3s than long 2s… or more 3s and more attacking to the rim

    • Dec 8, 20132:00 pm
      by Javell

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      Ppl so quick to hate kn j smove but they dont look at the other things he bring to the team.,,defense shot blocking steals and assist 

      • Dec 8, 20134:03 pm
        by Tim Thielke

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        Yeah, that would be ok if he cost $4M/yr. But for $13.5M/yr, you need to bring more to the table.

      • Dec 8, 20134:22 pm
        by jamesjones_det

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        I don’t think anyone denies JS makes us a better team overall, but his bad play and bad shot selection on offense has hurt this team in a couple of games this year.  I just want him to play smarter, we don’t need him to score 20 a game we just need him to keep the D honest when it makes sense on the offensive end.  The issue I have with Smith is he doesn’t seem to get that and other than this game doesn’t seem to care.

  • Dec 8, 201310:21 am
    by domnick

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    hey tim, i think its fair to say that kcp has done good things in his rookie season… about this CHICAGO game… he had 8 shots and converted 50 percent of those shots… i’d take that even if he plays 38 minutes against the bulls… i wont rate him C… i’d give him B here.
    he has been a factor in SG position… he can shut down his man and shoot it deep… so for me he played well…

  • Dec 8, 20131:49 pm
    by pistons moribund

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    Expectations are the key to how this team is perceived.  The “rants” about the negativity of the comments and criticism seem to stem mostly from a false sense that somehow mediocrity equals success.  The is a flawed team with flawed players. For all the bad shots that JS takes, he will make some great plays on defense.  Even though he is not great far from the basket, if we are comparing apple to apples, his play as a power forward is much more balanced then Bullwinkle’s play as a PF.  I am certain that no one would even consider putting Bullwinkle in the SF position.  Why would the pistons offer Bullwinkle a max contract if he cant even shoot from 10ft. 
    The point here isn’t to pick on Bullwinkle, but to make obvious that we only see what we want to see.  When the team wins, there is a tide of euphoria.  When the team losses, the boo bats come out.  “a win is just a win.”  does not equate to a signature win.  So which is it then?  Does a win against a disinterest contender missing one of their top players count any more then a win against a horrible lottery team, or a depleted has been contender missing THREE of their starters?
    Truth is, this team is not as good as some people think it is, but clearly not as bad as years past.  To think otherwise is to be satisfied with “not losing” as opposed to a “winning” attitude.  I think the goal is to win the trophy at the end, right?  Or am I just being obtuse.

    • Dec 8, 20135:37 pm
      by WilliezWorld

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      You are being a little obtuse, but at the same time you are right the goal is to win a championship. Having said that, if it is clear that this team isn’t winning this year unless we flip Moose for Durant (sarcasm), then what is the point of selling low in desperation? He is going to get a max offer and when we match he will STILL be just as valuable a trade chip if we want to move him next year.  
       
      While I may agree that the team has flaws, I think the newness of the experiment is making said flaws appear more than they are. Further, while you may sell short the teams we beat, it is still the NBA and you still have to actually finish. I’m not disillusioned, but I do appreciate progress. You can’t deny that the team has made progress since even early December. Disinterested or not, LeBron feasts on the Pistons; a month ago they don’t hold off that rally. Short there best guys or not, it absolutely MEANS something when KCP and Buckets start hitting shots. The way our bigs responded to Boozer’s big start is also important, as is limiting Noah’s affect on the game. My point is these things are signs of progress. Will there be fits n starts, sure. But it’s a young team that needs to grow and mature. Unless you’re getting fair value, now isn’t the time to sell one of your top 3 assets. Period.

      • Dec 8, 20136:55 pm
        by apa8ren9

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        I really failing to understand why we cannot recognize that the team is in transition and that we are improving.  You can never win a championship if you dont qualify for the playoffs.  All of you can reminice about “paying your dues” back in the day in the playoffs yet are judging this Pistons team as if they are ready to contend.  We are trending/heading in the right direction and its a shame that the Pistons “fans’ on this site would rather go on and on espousing their point as fact rather than watching the team improve.

        • Dec 8, 20137:02 pm
          by apa8ren9

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          @williez world -  Im agreeing with you 100%

        • Dec 9, 201312:36 am
          by WilliezWorld

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          Yeah, that’s my point too. Gotta crawl before you can walk…

  • Dec 8, 20132:21 pm
    by Tyrell

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    It’s foolish to say this is a bad team when they clearly have been trending up with Josh Smith below his average. This team has only really started playing together. Other than the Lakers losses what bad do they have? if they’re 500 at the break than you could say they’re mediocre.

    • Dec 8, 20132:57 pm
      by pistons moribund

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      Please note that the term “bad” was not used in reference to this team. Please reread my post is let me know if anything need clarification.

      • Dec 8, 20134:09 pm
        by Tyrell

        Reply

        I missed the part where the comment was directed towards you unless I mistakenly replied to your comment. Otherwise, please reread my post and let me know if you need clarification. I suppose my word choice of mediocre could have misled but this was a general post

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