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Josh Smith posts up Trail Blazers, but Portland eventually shoots down Pistons

Portland Trail Blazers 111 Final
Recap | Box Score
109 Detroit Pistons
Greg Monroe, PF 39 MIN | 7-14 FG | 3-4 FT | 7 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 4 TO | 17 PTS | -14

Monroe ran the court well to get good looks before the defense set, and that obviously improved his offensive efficiency. Against a set defense, Monroe wasn’t nearly as productive. Monroe struggled defending Aldridge, too. That undermined an overall positive offensive game.

Josh Smith, SF 46 MIN | 13-17 FG | 5-6 FT | 7 REB | 4 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 31 PTS | 0

It’s amazing how good Smith can be when he’s not wasting his talent shooting jumpers. Smith repeatedly posted up Nicolas Batum with tremendous success. Then, Smith repeatedly posted up Wesley Matthews with good pretty high success. Smith had a little trouble defending Batum on the perimeter, but when defending LaMarcus Aldridge, Smith helped Detroit’s cause. Aldridge didn’t exactly struggle, but for a fringe MVP candidate, he was held somewhat in check with Smith on him.

Andre Drummond, C 44 MIN | 6-15 FG | 1-5 FT | 14 REB | 0 AST | 3 STL | 3 BLK | 2 TO | 13 PTS | +7

Couple awesome lob finishes, a few steals and blocks. No big deal from the Eastern Conference’s best center. Really. Despite an impressive stat line, this was a relatively underwhelming game from Drummond. It’s getting tough to assess him without weighing giant expectations against him.

Brandon Jennings, PG 45 MIN | 6-16 FG | 2-3 FT | 8 REB | 10 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 15 PTS | -7

Jennings did a good job using his dribble to create space, including an awesome step-back 3-pointer with the shot clock expiring in overtime. He’s a good ball-handler. What he did with that space was more hit than miss, but the split was definitely influenced by whether he could go left or right. The left-hander still has issues with his right hand. Jennings also played his best defense in some time, though that’s a relative accomplishment. He didn’t necessarily harass Damian Lillard or Portland’s other guards, but Jennings made a real effort to stick near them. Sometimes, just being in the vicinity can be enough to cause a miss.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG 21 MIN | 1-5 FG | 2-3 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | +14

Caldwell-Pope was testing his in-between game, running off picks and taking mid-range jumpers. It didn’t exactly inspire confidence. He’s probably better off improving his spot-ups before diversifying.

Josh Harrellson, PF 3 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -4

Harrellson was a little too slow to defend the range of Aldridge or the athleticism of Thomas Robinson. Harrellson did break up a lob attempt though when he didn’t have to cover much ground.

Kyle Singler, SF 14 MIN | 2-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 5 PTS | -10

Singler kept drifting toward the interior defensively — I’m not sure how much of that was by design — and he doesn’t have the physical strength to play down there. That meant several fouls. Singler took an effective backseat role in an offense that was humming most of the game.

Chauncey Billups, SG 17 MIN | 2-6 FG | 2-2 FT | 4 REB | 4 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 6 PTS | +16

Billups had an extremely positive effect on the Pistons’ offense, keeping the ball moving. Defensively, he made no noticeable impact, which I’ll take 10 times out of 10 from him.

Rodney Stuckey, SG 37 MIN | 7-18 FG | 3-4 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 17 PTS | -12

Stuckey didn’t shoot particularly well, but he had some tough-luck misses. His defense wasn’t bad either, but he also didn’t up his defensive intensity against such a good offense. Lillard made his game-winner over Stuckey.

Maurice Cheeks

Are fourth-quarter problems a coaching issue? They seem like a coaching issue, but it’s difficult to know from afar. The Pistons blew an 11-point fourth-quarter lead, but it seemed more to do with the Trail Blazers asserting their advantage in well-fitting talent than anything Cheeks did wrong. Cheeks deserves credit for milking Smith in the post for so much of the game.

94 Comments

  • Dec 15, 201311:03 pm
    by gmehl

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    I really think we lost this game at the free throw line. A couple of times we had the lead out to 12 or 13 points and I counted like 5 or 6 missed free throws in a row. If we can’t hit them then we aren’t going anywhere as a team. You can usually hide one poor free throw shooter in your starting line up but we have three in Monroe, Drummond and Smith.

    • Dec 15, 201311:30 pm
      by Tim Thielke

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      If only Drummond could have hit his one made free throw in regulation. This is why the idea of being “clutch” is so ridiculous. If he had hit one in the first quarter instead of in OT, the Pistons would have won.

      • Dec 16, 201312:28 am
        by T Casey

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        It would help if Drummond could begin droping more of his free throws. Or, better yet, if Jennings could start making a better percentage of his shots.
         
        On a side note though, the idea of clutch play is far from ridiculous. Hypothetically, if Drummond had made one more free throw in regulation and everything else stayed the same, then, yes, we would’ve won the game. But, in reality, him making that free throw earlier would’ve changed the complexion of the entire rest of the game. So, if he made that one extra free throw in regulation, we may have won or we may have lost even before OT because there’s no telling what plays a team will run and to what effectiveness under different circumstances. For instance, there’s no telling what play a team will run, who they’ll turn to take the shot, and from where, facing a 6 point (2 possession) deficit vs a 7 point (3 possession) deficit with the same amount of time left on the game clock. And so on.

        • Dec 16, 20131:12 am
          by T Casey

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          * I hate to double post, but, furthermore, all people and thus players respond to pressure differently. Some players allow the pressure of the situation to disrupt their focus and negatively affect their play whereas some players are able to block out the pressure of the situation and focus so that the quality of their play stays the same or, in some cases, rises. That’s true for all sports. Take David Ortiz and Alex Rodriguez for example. Both are MLB greats who have amazing regular season stats. But, under the heavier pressure of the playoffs, David Ortiz’ stats continue to impress at a level that few in history have equaled. Alex Rodriguez, on the other hand, has had his numbers dip so consistently in the playoffs that he’s known as one of the biggest playoff chokers of all time. And that’s despite their careers being long enough that their stats have had ample time to regress or progress back to the mean, yet they haven’t. Same game, same rules, simply different players responding to heightened pressure situations differently.

  • Dec 15, 201311:03 pm
    by jacob

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    This hurts really bad.

  • Dec 15, 201311:53 pm
    by Jodi "The Guru" Jezz

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    We lost this game because Kyle Singler’s weak a%$ foul at the end of the game…That guy is worst player on this team!..I can’t wait until Dumars trades him at the trade deadline..

    • Dec 15, 201311:53 pm
      by Jodi "The Guru" Jezz

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      I mean at the end of the 4th quarter…

  • Dec 16, 201312:13 am
    by jay

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    This was a very tough loss but after watching this game I am even more convince that we need to trade Monroe.  The front line of drummond n Smith are definitely capable of being efficient,  especially if it keeps Smith in the post like it did tonight .I’m tired of watching the no defense of Monroe or him turning the ball over at very crucial times or not being able to secure the rebound…. I’ll take a front line of Dre, smooth. N Wilson Chandler or l.Deng or hell even Trevor ariza. Right now over Monroe…. Joe please make a move 

    • Dec 16, 20139:39 am
      by Anthony

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      Do you think would have been as effective in the post against Aldridge and Lopez than he did against batum and Matthews? Maybe, but I don’t think he would have had his way quite so easily. He beasted in the post tonight because he’s playing against SFs and SGs And not PFs and Cs. 

      • Dec 16, 20131:46 pm
        by Otis

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        True he exploited his size advantage tonight, but it’s not like you need Greg Monroe around to slide Smith to SF when there’s a good matchup for posting up. There are other guys on the roster who can play PF.
         
        Also, I’m not sure if you’re trying to be crafty with your argument or if you just didn’t think it through, but Smith isn’t likely to be defended by any center unless there’s defensive switching going on. And if the other team did have a bigger guy on Smith, you just attack him differently. You’re not likely to post Smith up against someone like Lopez, but you can stretch him out to the perimeter and take him off the dribble.
         
        Tonight was a good example of the advantages Smith’s versatility provides. And his overall aggressiveness when he’s playing the right way. The only reason a win would have been nice last night is to reward Smith for his efforts.

      • Dec 16, 20132:37 pm
        by oats

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        @ Anthony. Josh Smith was an extremely good post player when he was playing PF too. No, he doesn’t have the size advantage over Aldridge and Lopez, but he is a heck of a lot quicker than them. He has always overpowered SFs and ran around PFs to shoot really well at the rim. His problem is he can’t hit a shot anywhere but right at the rim.

        • Dec 16, 20132:39 pm
          by oats

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          Sorry, just realized that last thought was incomplete. The problem isn’t just that he can’t hit a shot anywhere but at the rim, he also really believes that he can and he can’t resist taking open jump shots despite the fact that he doesn’t make them often.

  • Dec 16, 201312:32 am
    by Max

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    I’m completely disgusted with this team.  I just don’t know if I should keep watching because I feel like it would be masochistic.  
    They just seem to find every way possible to lose and as much as everyone talks about fit; a bigger problem might be effort.   They lost this game in the 4th quarter because the Blazers clearly wanted it more and fought like wild animals for offensive rebounds.   The Pistons barely got a clean rebound in the 4th quarter and it just seemed like the Blazers were willing to do whatever they had to do to get the win and the Pistons were just hoping the clock would run faster while they were leading–which is a loser’s mentality.  
    They are a bunch of losers right now and Monroe is cry baby who always wants the refs to give him something.   Maybe if he is gone the Pistons who are left and whoever is new will actually want to take something instead of waiting for it to be handed to them.  
    And could they stop leaving the other team’s best shooters wide open so often?   It’s getting to be ri-goddamn-diculous how players like Ryan Anderson and LaMarcus Aldridge get so many jumpers with no one near in them in their favorite spots to shoot.  
    Clean house!  I want every player on the team gone by this time next year other than Drummond. 
    And where is Otis lately?  I want to wallow in some of his shrill negativity right now.   

    • Dec 16, 201311:29 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      The Blazers have been the second best team in the NBA this season. And they were able to jump out to an early 11 point lead (unsurprising, given that they’re very good this year). The Pistons fought back, were up most of the game, and barely lost. And you’re “completely disgusted with this team”?
      As far as losses go, this is about as good as it gets.

      • Dec 16, 20133:08 pm
        by Max

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        Refer to Otis’ frequent arguments about how games tend to be close but the only thing that really matters is crunch time.  The Pistons were up 13 in the 4th quarter but as soon as the Blazers wanted the game it was theirs.

        • Dec 16, 20134:38 pm
          by Tim Thielke

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          Many games are artificially close because of garbage time. This was not one of them. And if you think the Blazers didn’t want it when the Pistons were ahead for the middle half of the game, you’re just dead wrong. They didn’t step up their intensity late, they hit more of their shots late.

          Runs happen in basketball games at all different points. When the Blazers took an 11 point lead in the 2nd quarter, I expected them to be up 10-15 points for most of the game. Then the Pistons might get a few buckets at the end and lose by 5, but it would not have been a close game because the outcome would never have been in question.

          In this game, the Pistons played significantly better than they were expected to. Unfortunately, not quite well enough.

  • Dec 16, 201312:43 am
    by Moonchild

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    bad turnovers late, jennings and monroe had To’s both when we were up with a position to extend the lead late…..

    • Dec 16, 20138:06 am
      by lisa

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      Yes, yes, crazy turnovers. It’s like the game was fixed, they wanted to lose. Jennings turnover, he didn’t even try to get the ball back, the other guy dives to the floor and calls a time out. Jennings is just standing there looking at him. Chauncey is past his prime but still has a calming effect and can run the show. Why Cheek didn’t put Chauncey in when things started going south is beon me. Make Jennings watch from the bench and see how things are done.

  • Dec 16, 201312:48 am
    by Moonchild

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    also, if billups is healthy, he should close the games for now, im not a fan of jennings play at all this season in 4th quarters….Chauncey saved the game from getting blown open in the first half with his play

  • Dec 16, 201312:49 am
    by Jacob

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    Monroe and Jennings for Rondo and Green. Throw in Charlie V to make it work. Singler too.

    • Dec 16, 20134:57 am
      by @GPMasters

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      At the time, I did wonder whether Jennings was signed to dangle as part of a Rondo deal later on.

    • Dec 16, 20138:02 am
      by sebastian

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      If Joe has been patient enough to sit on this trade and actually was to execute this exact trade (with Singler thrown in, too), then Joe is a bigger pimp than Morey and Ujiri.
      This would be a line-up to roll with, for sure:
      PG- Rondo/Chauncey
      SG- KCP/Stuckey (continuing in the role that he has played, thus far)
      SF- Green/Mitchell
      PF- Josh/Jerebko
      C- Dre/Harrelson

  • Dec 16, 20131:06 am
    by frankie d

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    jennings with only two turnovers?  he had that many in a short stretch in the 4th quarter.
    imho, they lost this game because of jennings’ extremely shaky 4th quarter.  he repeatedly dribbled into trouble, lost the ball on a couple of occasions out of carelessness and seemed really uncertain about how to proceed in crunch time.
    he picked up his dribble a couple of times right at the half court line, putting stuckey in tough positions each time.  it looked as though he was just too nervous to continue dribbling against pressure.
    jennings is a bad point guard.  the only play he ever even attempts to run is an extremely high pick and roll and even then he does nothing with the pick except use it as a way to free up his dribble from pressure.  the bigs have stopped rolling to the rim when he is the ball handler on P&Rs because he never passes the ball to them.
    the contrast with chauncey was stark and revealing.  chauncey got guys into their sets, put guys in good positions on court, spaced the floor and actually ran the team the way a point guard should run a team.  and then jennings just frittered it all away.
    can anyone tell me why cheeks kept jennings in the game for pretty much the entire 4th quarter despite the fact that jennings was doing nothing offensively or defensively.  and no, he was not good defensively.  he may have been a bit less horrible, but the blazers game plan was to clearly target him and let his man isolate at the top of the key and take him to the hole.  which they did over and over and over again.
    in this game, chauncey gaveth and jennings frittered it away.

    • Dec 16, 20132:44 am
      by gtg2013

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      Ye! Why wasn’t Chauncey running the offense with the lead in the 4th? Chauncey deserved an A today–the second quarter run that gave the Pistons a big lead in the first place wouldn’t have happened without him there.

      • Dec 16, 20137:49 am
        by Lee

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        My question exactly.  Why wasn’t Billups in and Jennings out in the final minutes?   Billups once again comes into the game and the Pistons take the lead and build the lead.  But in the final minutes, it’s Jennings?  Also Jorts deserves an incomplete not a D for only 4 minutes.  
        On a positive note, I was really shocked by how good Josh Smith can be.  More good Josh please. 
         

      • Dec 16, 201311:45 am
        by Tim Thielke

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        Hmmm, why would the Pistons roll with Jennings over Billups?

        Let’s see, maybe the fact that Jennings has an assist rate of 33.5% to Billups’ 21.5%. Or maybe the fact that Jennings turns it over on 16.9% of possessions to Billups’ 17.8%. Those don’t do it for you? Let’s consider Billups’ splits of 32/29/83 vs Jennings’ 40/35/75. And Jennings gets to the line a lot more so he has a TS% of .491 (slightly below average) to Billups’ .452 (abysmal). And if all that’s not enough, let’s try the fact that Jennings has both a better offensive and defensive rating than Billups.

        Jennings has been nothing special this season, but Billups is pretty clearly washed up. Yes, he played fairly well during a big run in the 2nd quarter, but that is an anomaly for him this season, not the norm.

        • Dec 16, 201312:47 pm
          by frankie d

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          You obviously didnt see the game last night.  Billups was rock solid and was key in getting detroit its lead.  Jennings was so shaky it was almost shocking.  I never argued about the season long numbers, i said specifically last nights game.  And last night anyone watching the game could clearly see that chauncey was a feal plus while jennings booted the game away,his typically hollw numbers notwithstanding.

          • Dec 16, 20131:43 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            “You obviously didnt [sic] see the game last night”

            I don’t know how to determine whether it’s obvious or not, but you’re wrong.

            “Billups was rock solid and was key in getting detroit [sic] its lead.”

            Rock solid is a bit of a stretch, but I did say he played well in the stretch when the Pistons took the lead.

            “I never argued about the season long numbers, i [sic] said specifically last nights [sic] game.”

            This, of course, points to a bit of a philosophical quandary. Which is more likely to be predictive of future success, a far-reaching track record or a very recent track record? If Player A is a 55% shooter who goes 2-10 in the first half and Player B is 45% shooter who goes 8-10 in the first half, which player is more likely to hit any given shot in the second half? You could justifiably reach either conclusion and I don’t know if there is much data available on this topic. So it’s not that there was no argument to be made for playing Billups late in the game, but it certainly wasn’t a no-brainer either as you, lee, and gtg have implied.

            “And last night [sic] anyone watching the game could clearly see that chauncey [sic] was a feal [sic] plus while jennings [sic] booted the game away,his [sic] typically hollw [sic] numbers notwithstanding.”

            I don’t know. The Pistons undeniably played better when Billups was on the floor. But to me, that looked more like a factor of other guys’ play than his. Billups was a bit hurried with his shot, often firing before getting his feet set. And he accomplished nothing defensively. Compare that to the late game strip of Lillard by Jennings that gave Detroit the chance to take a final shot to try to win the game at the end of regulation instead of Portland. Lillard stole the following inbounds pass from Singler, but I don’t think you can put that on Jennings. Billups played a lot better than normal; but from my perspective, he played equally to Jennings at best.

        • Dec 16, 20132:32 pm
          by lisa

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          It would be interesting if we could have the players vote, for who they wanted in at the end of the game last night. Some reason I feel they would of wanted Billups running the show.

          • Dec 16, 20133:22 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            It would be interesting. But it would not be very relevant. Players are not exactly experts at analyzing other players. That’s not their job. So they tend to have most of the same biases as other people. If you have any doubt about that, look at any player survey about big/last shots and see how many of them would elect to have the ball in Kobe’s hands, in spite of plenty of evidence that Kobe is one of the worst in those situations.

        • Dec 16, 20133:00 pm
          by frankie d

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          In a historical vacuum that choice might present a quandry.  However, considering the 2 players -mr. big shot vs. the skittish one – that is about as  close to a no brainer as imaginable.

          • Dec 16, 20133:18 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            “Mr. Big Shot” was never any better than most at hitting big shots. He just took more than most. Kinda like a Kobe-lite.

            What makes Jennings “skittish”? The fact that he’s skinny and the way he moves? If so, how are those reasons for him to bot be on the court?

          • Dec 16, 20133:55 pm
            by frankie d

            You can watch jennings get nervous and start to make errors in judgment in real time.  I am certainly not the only fan to notice it.  He has been instrumental  in many of the team’s 4th quarter collapses.
            That is why skittish is appropriate.

          • Dec 16, 20134:18 pm
            by Otis

            @Tim: Do you have any statistical data to back up the claim that CB wasn’t especially clutch just took most of the shots in clutch situations? I wouldn’t necessarily be surprised if that was true, but I remember him being pretty reliable in the clutch. That said, even if he wasn’t, the willingness to take those shots means a lot. It’s the exact opposite of Moose, who seems to play shrinking violet any time the game is on the line.

          • Dec 16, 20134:43 pm
            by frankie d

            Julius erving was nicknamed “the doctor”.  I dont think that anyone expected him to pull out a scalpel and start operating.  
            Kobe is called “the black mamba” but i seriously doubt anyone is any danger of kobe biting them and killing them with a deadly venom.
            It is a nickname and how desrved it may or may not be is a seperate discussion.
            However, i doubt very many fans or players or even casual observers would chose jennings over chauncey as the player to have the ball in a clutch 4th quarter setting.
            That is such a no brainer, even with an older, injury-hobbled billups that i am surprised anyone would even try to argue against it.

          • Dec 16, 20134:47 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            @frankie d,
            You can see that in anyone if it’s what you’re looking for. It’s called confirmation bias. Do you have any evidence  to support your claim? Because if not, I might as well say that I see Jennings step up every time the game is on the line and we’ll be at a complete stalemate.

            @Otis,
            There is data, but it’s hard to find. I remember reading articles on game winning shot attempts that contained tabulated data on several of the most prolific game winning shooters, including Billups. And his numbers were lousy. I couldn’t find them though and could only locate this article I hadn’t read before but does indicate that Billups is among the worst shooters in those situations:
            http://www.libertyballers.com/2012/2/29/2832299/lebron-james-kobe-bryant-dwyane-wade-clutch-nba-playoffs-4th-quarter

            @Both of you,
            We were talking about running a team in a tight end-of-game scenario, not hitting a game winner. But I don’t have stats on that. I figured referencing game winning shots was a good counter point to someone who used the “Mr. Big Shot” nickname as a support for his argument, though.

          • Dec 16, 20135:45 pm
            by Otis

            In reference to who closes games, I wasn’t voicing an opinion. I don’t think Chauncey has much left to offer the team on the court. He should just be coaching it or GM’ing us at this point. He looked good last night, but that was possibly the first (maybe second) time he didn’t look finished since his impressive season opener.

          • Dec 16, 20137:48 pm
            by frankie d

            @tim
            do you even read the website you write for?
            the last two game review headlines:
            “[pistons]overcome jennings and josh smith in win…”
            “asking brandon jennings to carry you to a win is asking for a loss.”
            frankly it isn’t worth it to me to go through the specific 4th quarter collapses and document them.  anyone who’s watched the team this season knows exactly what i am referring to.  if you persist in insisting that no evidence of those jennings’ 4th quarter collapses exists, fine.  i don’t really care.  again, fans who have watched the games are fully aware of what i am talking about.
            but it is truly humorous that your very own blog refers to exactly the kind of problems i am posting about.
            and if you truly would argue that jennings is a better, more stable on court presence in the closing minutes of a game, you are certainly welcome to your opinion.
            i just don’t know of very many people who would agree with that view.  and history and just about any other objective measure would support my view.
            and yes, even at his old debilitated stage, chauncey is still a wiser choice to guide a team in the 4th quarter.   unfortunately,, that is easy to see after only 20 some odd games. 

          • Dec 16, 201311:45 pm
            by Dan Feldman

            1. Tim is not required to agree with my opinions.

            2. Neither of those headlines refer to the fourth quarter

          • Dec 17, 201312:05 am
            by frankie d

            never stated, implied or otherwise suggested that he had to agree with your opinions.
            his statement is this:
            “ Do you have any evidence  to support your claim? Because if not, I might as well say that I see Jennings step up every time the game is on the line and we’ll be at a complete stalemate.”
            obviously, you provide evidence, and i was lazy and referred to your evidence so i did not have to search for my own..
            the statement about the 4th quarter is specious, imho.   my criticisms about jennings go beyond the 4th quarter performance.  his 4th quarter performance has been particularly noticeable because it has been instrumental in several losses.
            but he sucks, from the 1st to the 4th.  he is what he is…a talented, though extremely erratic, fundamentally flawed combo guard who has few true point guard instincts.  and any team that is going to rely on him to be their regular point guard is going to have to resign itself to a roller coaster  relationship that will have as many downs as ups.
            btw i never implied in any fashion that he needed to agree with the opinions on this website, only that he acknowledge that they existed.  i would hope that you would believe the same.

          • Dec 17, 201312:29 am
            by frankie d

            and, for the record, he is one of the worst defensive guards i have seen in a long time.  i cannot recall a starting point guard who was routinely as bad as jennings is.  
            he allows dribble penetration with very little resistance.  on pick and rolls, he invariably gets caught up on the pick and almost never provides any sort of defensive assistance as the play develops.
            teams routinely isolate him and exploit him and he is/was a huge part of why the defense was so porous for a large part of this  young season.
            what is remarkable is that a hobbled old vet like chauncey looks better and is more effective because he simply tries harder.
            jennings is, imho, a disastrous dumars signing who will become the same type of problem that gordon and CV ultimately became.  his only saving grace is that he is one of the most physically gifted point guards around, and if the light ever came on, he could turn things around on a dime, and become one of the best pgs in the league.
            don’t expect that to happen, but one never knows…

  • Dec 16, 20132:53 am
    by Brandon Knight

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    Well if we want more of today’s performance by Josh Smith we need to trade Monroe!! Josh is good. Actually very good, but not as a small forward. If this guy continues to do what he did today…Pistons will dominate!

    • Dec 16, 20134:27 am
      by rainmax

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      Josh smith is just fine at the small forward position, because he’s athletic and big and could easily overpower the opposing small forward (except when he’s matched up with LBJ). I would like the pistons to trade moose for kevin love, because that could easily solve the spacing issues and he does not commit a bunch of turnovers and shoots a better percentage at the line during close games

      • Dec 16, 20131:51 pm
        by Otis

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        1) Smith is not “fine” at the small forward position. And even if he were, you didn’t pay him $54 million to be “fine.” You’re better off putting him in his best position, which is at power forward.
         
        2) If there was ever a time when you could have flipped Moose for Kevin Love, that time has passed. Joe should have tried to do it before Moose was this close to a contract extension. Monroe does need to be traded very badly, so I fully agree with you there, but you need to settle for less than Kevin Love.

        • Dec 16, 20134:51 pm
          by Tim Thielke

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          Well, yes, every Pistons fan worth his salt was begging for a Monroe-Love swap last season when Love went down for the year, the Wolves still had time to make a run at the playoffs, and the Pistons were better off losing as many games as possible because the postseason wasn’t in the cards for them anyway.

          That said, if there were a way to trade Monroe+Smith+Jennings+KCP+Stuckey for Love (as long as most of the other contracts coming back weren’t long-term) today, I’d jump all over that.

          • Dec 16, 20135:52 pm
            by Otis

            Amen on that straight-up trade, though I think quite a few over at DBB (like, all of them) would have told you that Monroe was better than Love. They’ll probably still tell you that.
             
            If given the choice between that trade and standing pat, I do the trade in a heartbeat. But I’d rather do different trades with Monroe and Stuckey, because after that trade you don’t have much left around Dre and Love. Love goes down with another injury and we have nothing. It’s too risky. I think Smith can be a solidly above average PF, and I think Moose and Stuck could go a long way towards the wing depth we badly need.

  • Dec 16, 20132:56 am
    by Max

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    I hope Cheeks gave the whole team hell after that sorry debacle but I doubt it.  If only he had some Doug Collins in him there would have been some well deserved tossed lockers.  They shouldn’t be allowed to go home and should be forced to stay at the Palace and practice until the next game.  No more days off till they beat a decent team at full strength.  I’m so angry right now that I’m going to give myself a heart attack.  I may have to just stop watching until the Pistons are manifestly at least a mediocre team.  I don’t think any team gets less out of their talent right now.  During the last few years at least the team had the excuse of lacking talent.  This year is worse because they are talented but haven’t got a clue and don’t put in even an acceptable level of effort.    

  • Dec 16, 20133:01 am
    by Otis

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    No surprise I’m saying this, but I think you undersold just how bad Monroe was on D tonight. Just awful. At the end of the game, Kelser commented that he didn’t understand why Aldridge was so open for so many looks tonight. The answer was obvious, but it was nice of him not to specify who kept leaving him wide open. Also, did you guys see how quick he gets that shot off? Doesn’t hit them all, but hits them at a pretty great clip, and most importantly he gets that shot off right away. I remember one play late in the game where someone penetrates and dumps it to Greg at the top of the key. If Moose was worth a damn, he takes that wide open shot and hits it. (Frankly, I wouldn’t even get too bent out of shape if he missed it, as long as he takes it.) He froze for a second because he’s awful like that, and dumped it off to a perimeter player, which is now officially Moose’s signature move.
     
    There is no defensible argument against trading Moose and Stuckey. This team is going nowhere.

    • Dec 16, 20133:10 am
      by Max

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      I said the exact same thing as you Otis to my dad as we were watching the game when Moose passed up that shot.  The way he freezes up drives me nuts.   Also, one of Aldridge’s open looks late was because Monroe complained about not getting a call and was very late in transition as a result.  

    • Dec 16, 20139:00 am
      by Georgio

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      What Kelser was saying was that when Monroe had to rotate to another player someone else needed to rotate to Aldridge, that’s what he was talking about. Aldridge took 25 shots to score 27 points, Monroe’s defense on him wasnt bad at all. I actually thought Monroe defended Aldridge pretty well. Oh and you complained about Monroe’s defense on Love, he only dropped 43 on the Spurs the next game, the point is those guys are going to shoot a lot and score a lot on anybody because their team needs them to do so, the best you can do is make it tough on them and make them a volume shooter, which Aldridge was last night. You’re right, Monroe does not get his shot off as quickly as Aldridge nor does he shoot as instinctly as Aldridge, guess what Josh Smith doesn’t either, Drummond doesn’t either, so what’s your point? Pistons lose Otis blames Monroe, just like sunrise you can set your watch to it. 

      • Dec 16, 201311:48 am
        by Tim Thielke

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        If the Pistons win, Otis also blames Monroe that they didn’t win by more.

        • Dec 16, 201312:10 pm
          by MIKEYDE248

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          Trying to compare Monroe to Aldridge or Love is like trying to compare Smith with Lebron.  There is a diffence between good players and great (MVP type) players.  Most teams or players can’t contain the great players.  If they do, then Otis will say that they weren’t contained, they were just uninterested or having a bad game.

          • Dec 16, 20134:05 pm
            by Otis

            We agree on the comparisons part, but then you lost me completely when you started acting like there was something wrong with my evaluations. For one thing, I gave Smith credit for setting the tone early against Lebron in that win against the Heat. Lebron ended up with a pretty nice stat line (in a loss) but I gave credit where I thought it was due. He sent the message early that Lebron was going to have to bring his lunchpail tonight, and I think it discouraged him from being aggressive in what was supposed to be an easy win.
             
            It would be impossible to come away from that game and say the Heat put up a good fight, played with any energy, weren’t half asleep, etc. No objective person could have watched that game and thought those things, but I gave credit where it was due.
             
            Fortunately we don’t have ANY OTHER WINS against .500 teams, so I’m not sure where this bullshit bogeyman conspiracy theory comes from. Every other win this team has was against sub-.500 competition, and the most notable victory there was against the Bulls minus two All-Stars (that’s two more All-Stars than the Pistons have in the first place, if you’re counting). Rose is out for the year, so take that for what it’s worth, but Deng absolutely killed us in the first matchup and sat this one out. If you think Deng’s absence isn’t worth mentioning (I think Jimmy Butler was out too) then you’re the biased one.

        • Dec 16, 20132:00 pm
          by Otis

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          Tim, don’t encourage that scoundrel Georgio. You’re better than that. Who else am I going to blame? Obviously Dumars gets 100% of the blame, then maybe Cheeks (though his rotations have tightened up a bit the last few games, and when he’s facing a .500-or-better team he doesn’t have the talent to get a win anyways). I’m not going to be one of these goofballs who blames the sixth or seventh or tenth man. There’s Moose, Dre, Smith and maaaaybe Stuckey or Jennings. These are your major pieces. Moose needs to step up. He needs to do what Josh did tonight ALL the time. And the team needs to win. Or you can’t give him the richest contract in tam history to keep this shit train running, when the alternative is to flip him for affordable perimeter help. It’s not rocket science.

          • Dec 16, 20132:58 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            I usually partially agree with you, Otis. But I also think that you try to find things to be negative about, even beyond actual problems.

          • Dec 16, 20133:55 pm
            by Otis

            No, I don’t do that. You’re just imagining it.

          • Dec 16, 20134:26 pm
            by Georgio

            Why does Moose have to be the one to do what Josh did “all the time”, why can’t Josh just do it all the time or Drummond, and until Monroe gets this mega contract how about not keep bringing it up and making conclusions based on something that does even exist.

          • Dec 16, 20136:04 pm
            by Otis

            Georgio, if that is your real name, you’re living in la-la land where there is no strategy involved in considering contract extensions, weighing your flexibility and leverage, thinking ahead, etc. The last chance you have to get solid value where you have the leverage is February. That’s two months away. You don’t have the luxury of sitting back and hoping this team eventually clicks out of nowhere (because if they ever do click, it will be from nowhere), because he simply will not have the same value in July. The only way you “risk nothing” by waiting out the season is if you’re already dead set on keeping him at any cost the CBA allows. If you’re genuinely trying to get the most out of your roster, you have two more months to evaluate Moose, and by that point you’re committed to him and his max extension… and I don’t think he could possibly do enough in those two months to justify paying him and committing to mediocrity when you can revamp the entire perimeter to support Smith and Dre. This team could be deadly.

          • Dec 16, 20136:07 pm
            by Otis

            Oh, and Smith doesn’t need to do what he did last night every night because he already got paid. That money is gone. Say sayonara to it because Josh Smith owns it now. The $60 mil someone is going to give Monroe is another story. That money isn’t spent yet, and I’d rather not be the team to spend it. I’d rather have a revamped perimeter attack/defense to complement Dre and Smith. Much better way to spend that $60 mil.

      • Dec 16, 201312:20 pm
        by Kamal

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        Hell yeah, Georgio.  I was going to say the exact same thing.  Monroe did a good job on Aldridge when was guarding him 1 on 1.  But the pick and pop is not his fault.  When Aldridge slides over, a Piston is supposed to rotate over on Aldridge until Monroe gets back into position.  How many times did they do that?  Zero?  One?  So what does Monroe do?  On the last play at the end of regulation, he doesn’t step out on Lillard and just chases Aldridge to prevent the kick out and Lillard turns the corner and Jennings has to foul him to stop the easy lay-up.
        I believe Max and Otis know a lot about basketball so I won’t insult them.  But they have a clear bias.  Monroe is the problem with this team according to them and it don’t matter what the evidence is.  Nobody rotating on Aldridge on the pick and pop?  Monroe’s fault.  Drummond not boxing out Lopez for the put backs?  Monroe’s fault.  Mo Williams scoring 8 in the fourth?  Monroe’s fault.  The Piston’s late game playbook consisting of iso after iso?  Monroe’s fault.
        Monroe’s defense has been the excuse from the fans all season which is a total cop out.  Aldridge is an MVP candidate.  He shot bad from the field and Monroe kept him out of the post.  Serge Ibaka is a MUCH better defender than Monroe, I’m sure you all would agree, and he gave up 38 and 13 for the loss.  Hell, the Rockets gave up 31 and 25.  
        The worst game of the season for Aldridge was against Chicago.  He shot 4-20.  Now, do you think Boozer, who is a notoriously awful defender, shut him down, or Bull’s players rotated and gave Aldridge few open look?  I’ll bet it was the latter.

        • Dec 16, 20131:27 pm
          by MIKEYDE248

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          I’m glad that some of us watch the games without our bias against Monroe.  If I where to just read the comments on here without watching the games, I would think that Monroe is the new CV on the team.
          Monroe has been much better on defense this year, over his previous years.  I think a lot of what makes him (and the other bigs) look even worse to most people is the help defense isn’ t there.  I don’t know if that goes back to the coach or the players just not knowing when to help and when to stick to their own guy.

        • Dec 16, 20132:09 pm
          by Otis

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          Kamal, my friend. I thought Moose was awful one-on-one against Aldridge. Whether Aldridge rolled left or right in isolation plays, he abused Greg and got whatever shot he wanted. Once, Greg just grabbed his arm a he went by. That might have been his best defensive possession. When Moose has a good game, I accept it and encourage him to do it again to shut me up, but he doesn’t do it again. Because he’s not the answer. He’s in line for a ludicrous contract that’s going to cement this rotten lineup, and we already know he’s not the answer. You’ve got a shrinking window in which to trade him for good value, and it needs to get done. If Kyle Singler or Jonas Jerebko was worth a ton in trades I’d be dwelling on them.
           
          Every Monroe supporter out there is far too complacent about his abilities. You’re dazzled by his mediocrity and prepared to sit through four more years of mediocrity just because you like his smile or something. You need to look at the big picture. This team is going nowhere, and will continue to do so as long as these are your major pieces.

          • Dec 16, 20133:12 pm
            by Kamal

            If your premise is that the team doesn’t fit and the only way to make it fit is to trade Monroe for more balance because he’ll bring back the most value, then I can respect that.  But to me it seems that you blame Monroe for all that is wrong with the team.  And that’s where I disagree.  
             
            Monroe is a good piece to have on this team.  Without him, we lose a lot of those points in the paint.  Smith at the 4 IS NOT posting people up.  If he can’t go around them, he’s jacking up shots over them.  Having Monroe on the team is a good problem to have.  
             
            And I don’t think Monroe is getting a max contract when he’s third on the team in scoring and second in rebounds.  I don’t care how tall he is.  Max guys lead their team in some major statistical category.  
             
             

          • Dec 16, 20133:34 pm
            by Otis

            That’s my exact premise. But I’m especially hard on him because of that extension he doesn’t deserve. If I was judging him solely on his production as a $4 million player, I’d lay off him completely. But all I see when I look at him is a looming $60 million extension and a missed opportunity to right the ship with one trade. I truly think we could be set up for a very long time if we cashed in on Moose and Stuckey by February. And I think we’ll be doomed to several more years of mediocrity if we kept up this Jumbo crap that’s going on now.
             
            That said, I do think Monroe is overrated, and I’m pissed off that he refuses to grow as a player. If he really wanted to step up and be The Man on this team, he’s had every opportunity to do so. He was supposed to have come into the league with a jumper, and he’s had a year and a half notice that his future with this team was at power forward, but the jumper is shit. He’s in a strong position to be a “veteran” leader on this team, but he hesitates and defers most of the time. His defense is bad and his offense isn’t good enough to compensate. I guarantee you he won’t be a good problem to have once he’s the team’s third best player and highest paid.
             
            You think Monroe won’t get a max contract, but that’s a chance I would not be willing to take. All you need is one team who wants to throw $15M annually at him and suddenly all your guesses about what he’s worth go right out the window. Then you’re pretty much forced to match, and you’ve pretty much committed to him. I haven’t seen nearly enough from him or from the team to make that commitment. And if they don’t figure things out, he’s not going to be very easy to move. Even if you found a taker after this experiment failed, you’ll have to take back some big contracts to make a trade work under the cap. It’s just plain not worth the gamble. Better to trade him for quality, affordable pieces that actually fit here.

          • Dec 16, 20136:29 pm
            by oats

            @ Kamal. Greg is 4th on the team in shot attempts because he plays with Jennings and Smith. Smith has been absolutely awful this year, but he is second in shot attempts anyways. If that changed then Greg would be the leader in scoring, and the league has to be aware that the crappy lineup is limiting Monroe’s effectiveness. He put up 16 points and 9.6 rebounds last year, and this year he’s been more efficient. Sorry, that’s likely enough to get the mini max of 4 years and $62 million for a guy as young as Monroe is. It’s slightly more in question than it was before Smith came in and made things harder on him, but I’d still lean towards Monroe getting a max offer.
             
            @ Otis. I agree that the 3 big lineup is not working. I disagree that the only solution is moving Monroe, and I really disagree with the notion that Monroe is solely at fault. I don’t know if you actually think Monroe is solely at fault, but he is the only guy you ever seem to find fault with. Smith has a true shooting percentage of .462 and is taking 14 shots a game. That’s just awful. Yeah, some of that is him playing SF, but him being a SF does not require him to shoot that much. This game is just further proof that he could play in the paint more with this starting lineup if he chose to, but he doesn’t. It seems obvious to me that the bigger problem with the 3 big lineup is the inclusion of Smith in it.
             
            Monroe is the only one of the two who clearly has positive trade value, so I get why it makes sense to move him. The thing is, I don’t know what kind of Monroe trades are out there. I’d rather salary dump Josh Smith than trade a valuable player like Monroe for less than fair value. I mean, Monroe’s value is at an all time low. His production is down due to the goofy lineup, and everyone thinks Detroit is desperate to make a trade since Joe’s job is perceived to be on the line if the team fails to make the playoffs. Are you really that convinced that Monroe’s value is higher now than in the summer when team’s have more flexibility and the GM making the trade for Detroit will have slightly less pressure to trade Monroe for a lesser wing player? Both dumping Smith for a shorter term deal or waiting to attempt to sign and trade Monroe make more sense than being forced into moving Monroe for 50 cents on the dollar. Whether you admit it or not, the kind of desperation to move Monroe that you espouse usually results in moving the guy for 50 cents on the dollar. By all means move him if there is actually a good deal, but it needs to be a good deal.

        • Dec 16, 20133:16 pm
          by Max

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          I’m very angry about last night and agreed with Otis about Monroe’s freezing thing but I do not blame Monroe for everything and I haven’t even stated that he definitely needs to go.   I’d actually rather Smith be traded but I have come to the conclusion that one of them needs to go. 

  • Dec 16, 20134:45 am
    by @GPMasters

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    I thought the lead was as big as 13 in the 4th, at least for one possession.
    Anyway – anyone else unsure on Jennings’ “three” that was ruled a long two? I’m not sure his foot was on the line but there we go.
    We played some of our best basketball of the season especially in the 3Q. Smith HAS to play down low. Problem is I’m sure he had games like this for ATL many many times before reverting to type. He’d be a perennial All Star if he could harness his game the way he did last night. Everyone seen his pretty shot chart?

    • Dec 16, 20132:12 pm
      by Otis

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      As I said somewhere else on this thread, the only nice thing about a win would have been the reinforcement that this is the way Josh should be playing. But even with a loss, I hope he realized how much he helped his team by being aggressive down low instead of jacking up bad outside shots.

      • Dec 16, 20134:33 pm
        by Georgio

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        Wow, this is the same Otis that says Smith can’t post because Monroe clogs the lane and that Smith has to shoot those jumpers because he’s forced out on the perimeter. You spew so much venom that you forget what you’ve said in the past. I’ve told you this site and others that Smith can post anytime he wants to, regardless of whose on the court, and last night was a perfect example. Don’t try and backtrack now.

        • Dec 16, 20136:19 pm
          by Otis

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          “Venom!” LOL Many don’t agree with me or think I’m brash, but I don’t spew venom. You’re getting carried away with this. All my criticisms are polite and honest and from the heart.
           
          Also, I never said Smith “has” to take those shots. Never said it even once. The closest I’ve come to that is saying that the job description for a small forward is a recipe for him taking those kinds of shots. It’s like free crack for a guy who likes that sort of thing. He’s going to take the crack. Teams have been successfully baiting Smith and Moose into taking jumpers, because that’s the kind of shots opponents want them to take. With the switch to power forward, the job description serves his talents much better and doesn’t encourage his bad habits as much.
           
          And finally, you seem to have forgotten that THE BLAZERS WON. Whatever they did to Josh Smith, it bloody worked! And, in fact, what they did was guard him man-to-man. Gave him a few different looks and eventually started putting more pressure on him after he was abusing their lonely defenders, and gosh– wouldn’t you know it, they won! Regardless of how effective Smith was in isolations last night, the Blazers got the job done. Talk to me after a win about how the floor spacing looks. They tried to guard him one-on-one for an unbelievable stretch of time and they still ended up getting the job done. But good for you, I’m sure the fact that Josh posted up little guys one-on-one was a lot of fun for you. I’m really happy for you.

          • Dec 16, 20136:32 pm
            by oats

            The team with the best record in the conference that actually doesn’t suck beat the Pistons with a buzzer beater in overtime. You know what, I’ll take that kind of performance against Portland. If Detrot plays like this against the vast majority of the league then they will get more wins than not.

  • Dec 16, 20138:14 am
    by ffz

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    Am I the only one that notices how bad Kyle singler is at catching a ball, he always drops the ball and causes a turnover.

  • Dec 16, 20138:29 am
    by Brigs

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    regardless of the loss this game will be great for us in the long run. Smith played great and showed what he can do when playing in the post and the only way to ensure that he stays down there is to trade Monroe. A number of trades mentioned here would be great.

    • Dec 16, 201310:29 am
      by Georgio

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      He can post just fine as a SF, no need to trade Monroe to insure that.  Against SF Smith can use his size advantage not so much against PF. He just as to buy into that and do it, hopefully last night will show him that he is most effective in the post. 

  • Dec 16, 20139:38 am
    by Vic

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    4q Meltdowns are Coaches fault. 
    Focus for 48 Minutes. When you play well for 3 quarters running through the 4, why switch to Jennings and Stuckey taking turns jacking up jumpshots for the 4th quarter?
    This team needs to run through the 4 for 4 quarters- whether its Monroe or Smith. People complain about Monroe but he actually scores pretty efficiently. If Smith stays in the paint like he did today this is a dominant team.
    Anyone whose not playing the 4 needs to see themselves as a 2nd or 3rd option. If coach can discipline them to play like this for all 4 quarters, they can beat some elite teams.
    And Jennings needs to put on 20 pounds ASAP.

    • Dec 16, 20139:45 am
      by Vic

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      This game was an example of how 3 dominant bigs can dominate in the paint. Smith, Monroe, and Drummond took turns doing damage in the paint. 
      Its a total lie that Smith has to shoot 6 threes a game because he’s playing “out of position.”
      And the team tries to clean it up by saying “we just liked his matchup tonight.”
      Well you need to like his matchup every night because he’s either bigger and stronger or quicker than anyone guarding him every night. No excuse for him not to play smarter.
      Basically for 3 quarters the Pistons found their way to compete and win with their strengths, without 3 point shooting, which is their biggest weakness. Then they got creative in the 4th quarter and lost.

      • Dec 16, 201310:26 am
        by Rich

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        THANK YOU.
         
        I’m so sick of hearing that crap about Smith.  Smith doesn’t jack up bad shots because he’s out of position.  He jacks up bad shots because his basketball IQ is low.  He can – and has – dominate the paint with Monroe and Drummond on the court.

        • Dec 16, 201310:36 am
          by Georgio

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          Amen, I’ve been saying it also, you have 3 bigs and there’s enough room for all 3 of them to have an impact on the game. All this talk about Smith can’t post because Monroe is on the floor is bullcrap, he can post anytime he wants, he just has to understand that that’s his strength and if his matchup isn’t good then slide out and let Monroe go to work.Hopefully he’s seen the light.

          • Dec 16, 20133:18 pm
            by Max

            The offense is not nearly as big a problem as the defense. 

        • Dec 16, 201310:47 am
          by Vic

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          YOur welcome.
          Any other coach in the league would salivate at the chance to run through 1 position for 48 minutes, and know that you’ll get efficient scoring, and passing out of the post. Having Monroe + Smith is like having Shaquille Oneal to work through.

          • Dec 16, 201310:48 am
            by Vic

            for 48 MINUTES!

  • Dec 16, 201311:23 am
    by Mr Woods

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    Monroe has always been overrated to me. He put up decent #’s but when the game is on the line, he shrinks. Im noticing no one is mentioning the back to back blocks Aldridge got on him & Monroe stood there looking for a bail out call from the ref. & that’s not including his horrid defense.

    • Dec 16, 201312:26 pm
      by Kamal

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      How was his defense horrid?  I’ll give you those blocks by Aldridge.  Monroe was trying to sneak by him, which was a mistake.  He needed to go through him like he did in the first quarter.  That finesse stuff don’t work on those long guys.  Monroe forgot that he had a weight advantage on Aldridge and didn’t use it.
       
      But his defense was as solid as it was going to get against Aldridge while on an island with him.  Detroit sent nobody over to rotate on those pick and pops.  Monroe is too slow to cover that much ground.  Cheeks should’ve known this.  I did.

      • Dec 16, 20132:45 pm
        by Otis

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        I don’t think Monroe has an anything advantage on Aldridge. He may weigh more, but there’s no advantages. Just stinky old Greg Monroe versus a truly complete player who’s finally getting the recognition he deserves.

        • Dec 16, 20133:26 pm
          by Tim Thielke

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          You see, here you go again. Monroe is not a perfect player. He’ll probably never be a superstar and may not even be worth a max contract (although he probably is). But that does not make him a “stinky old” player. He is, without a doubt, an above average starter. He is a very good player. 

          • Dec 16, 20133:53 pm
            by Otis

            1) My chief point is that Aldridge > Moose in every way imaginable and some ways not yet imagined. So by comparison, Monroe is very stinky and VERY old. (Yes, I know he’s younger. Sheesh, let me have my fun.)
             
            2) Speaking of which: Sheesh, let me have my fun. It’s called hyperbole, Tim. I’ve already conceded that Greg is a “good” player. Come on, lay off the hyperbole police wouldja’?
             
            3) He’ll never be a superstar. Games like last night prove it. He doesn’t want to be great. I caught a moment where Jennings was mouthing to him, “You want it?” as he was taking the ball up the court. Thought I caught him mouthing it twice, just so Jennings should be sure. Brandon should not have to ask Monroe if he wants it. The answer should be clear from his body language. His face up game is shit, so he needs to get good post position to be effective, and he just doesn’t do it. Guys who want the ball let you know it with their body language, and sometimes they even shout for the ball. Moose doesn’t want anything except a saucer of milk and a nap by the fireplace. Like a sleepy little kitten.
             
            4) That was also me having fun. I shouldn’t have to explain these things.

    • Dec 16, 20132:43 pm
      by Otis

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      YES. Great point about the back to back blocks. Thanks for reminding me. The best was the one where Aldridge basically got out of the way completely, but he stayed in a good enough position to swat Greg’s predictable shot with ease. I mean, it didn’t look like he got beat and had to make an adjustment; it looked more like he let Greg get the position he wanted and just blocked the shot because Greg is predictable. He might have one or two nice pivots and decent footwork, but he’s not an especially dynamic scorer. I watched that play develop and for a split second I’m wondering why Aldridge just let himself get beat like that, and the next I’m like: “Ohh, so that’s why he did that.”

  • Dec 16, 20132:00 pm
    by Mr Woods

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    Greg Monroe is this generation’s Bison Dele. 

  • Dec 16, 20133:12 pm
    by Otis

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    One more little treat from uncle Otis: George Blaha is the absolute worst. I adored him when the team was good and his enthusiasm reflected my own. (God, it seems so very long ago… oh that’s right, because it was.) Once the team was bad, his bombastic style started to rub me the wrong way. Now that the team at least has some things to get excited about, he shouldn’t need to fly his homer flag quite so high.
     
    One thing that bugged me a lot was the contrast between how much he dwelled on the fact that the Pistons were playing a back-to-back a few games ago, and how he made only passing mention of the Blazers having played the previous night. When it’s a close game and the Pistons are the well-rested team, we don’t hear anything. When the other team had more rest we had to hear about it ten times per quarter. You should not need to manufacture excitement… it’s a f*cking basketball game. It’s a very exciting sport. And you should maintain at least some degree of objectivity. If rest is that important that we have to hear about it until our ears bleed, then give some credit to the Blazers for finishing off that impressive comeback when they had every built-in excuse if rest was everything. Really hate Blaha.
     
    Mark Champion does such a good job calling the game and does not get the credit he deserves. He clearly wants the team to win and is pro-Pistons, but he calls the game in a way that actually reflects what’s happening on the floor. Someone takes a tough shot and misses it. To Blaha it’s a “tough luck miss.” To Champion and Mahorn the Pistons need better shot selection. I may be highly critical of the team, but I’m perfectly happy with the radio call. It’s entertaining and honest. Thanks, Mark Champion. I know you’re reading this.

    • Dec 16, 20134:00 pm
      by Matt

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      See, this is why people think you’re unnecessarily negative. Blaha and Kelser are generally considered to be among the best local play-by-play guys among players and national pundits.
       
      I agree that Blaha tries to generate excitement when it isn’t necessary, but to say that they’re blatant homers throws Tommy Heinsohn and Sean Elliot into a jealous rage. To say that Blaha is the “absolute worst” is laughable.
       
      When you say that you’re negative about the Pistons because you want people to realize that they’re not a championship contender, well, that’s a stance that I can understand (even though I don’t agree with you). When you rip on Blaha, which has no impact on whether the Pistons (or their fans) believe that drastic improvement needs to be made, you’re just building a stronger case that, when it comes to the Pistons, you see everything through crap-covered glasses and you make your other arguments much less effective.

      • Dec 16, 20136:40 pm
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        I’m well aware of the regard Blaha is held in. I used to adore the guy. I said as much. But that was back when his play calling matched what was going on in the game. Now he makes me puke. Greg hits a shot to make the score 4-2 and he calls it a “huge” hoop. Has there ever been a huge hoop in a two point game early in the first quarter? Probably would be overstating things to say that in a game 7. Calling almost any part of the glass “the high glass” because it sounds more exciting. Talks about how someone’s foot was JUST  a hair over the line, as if “close” means something in that situation. Almost hinting that the refs should have given us a break. If it’s over the line, it’s over the line. Making the incorrect call, almost deliberately it seems, so that by the end of his sentence he’s contradicted himself. For instance, If the ball is slapped away BUT there was a foul, it’s not called a block. The refs blow the whistle and I can tell it was a foul, why are you calling it a block? That’s not what a block is. Say he swatted or stripped the guy, but don’t use the word block if it’s clearly not a block. Don’t tell me that the ball would have counted if it went in. If a guy tries to beat the shot clock and misses a buzzer beater, I don’t want to hear that it would have counted if it went. I can judge for myself if it was close, and usually it isn’t that close in spots where he says it. It’s ridiculous. Talks about the team like it’s so special, and always like they’re just about to turn a corner… like for years now. Any time we win one game, it shows how awesome this team really is, and every time they lose four games it’s because they didn’t have Bynum and Chauncey, like that matters. Says, after teams beat us small, that our size it will be an advantage “most nights,” when it’s so far gotten us well below .500. Acts like this team is the most amazing thing ever and anything that doesn’t go right is chalked up to luck or something. I’m sure I could go on, and if you want to stand up for this turkey some more, I’ll type more problems with him. I’m not just hating on him just to make a punching bag out of him. He is awful and gets all up on my nerves. Mark Champion is a dream come true by comparison.

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