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Detroit Pistons blow 20-point lead then bench Andre Drummond just to ensure Charlotte Bobcats hold on for win

Charlotte Bobcats 116 Final
Recap | Box Score
106 Detroit Pistons
Greg Monroe, PF Shot Chart 35 MIN | 5-9 FG | 3-4 FT | 9 REB | 3 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 13 PTS | -9Unlike Josh Smith, Monroe continues having issues dealing with lack of space inside, a downside of Detroit’s jumbo lineup. Still, he can use a nice spin move to get a good look in the paint at times. Monroe’s defense, ranging from lazy to ineffective, in the fourth quarter was instrumental in the Pistons blowing their 20-point lead. He’s never been a great defender, but he’s a good rebounder, so why was he not attempting to block out and allowing key Charlotte putbacks?
Josh Smith, SF Shot Chart 41 MIN | 8-20 FG | 1-2 FT | 6 REB | 3 AST | 3 STL | 2 BLK | 2 TO | 18 PTS | -15-for 6 inside the restricted area, 3-for-14 outside it. Sight. Smith makes just enough jumpers to convince himself they’re good looks. He made his first shot tonight, an open long 2. On his second shot, he airballed a contested long 2. At least Smith was really hustling on defense, swarming all over the court to make plays. He wasn’t quite as strong locking up his man, tough.
Andre Drummond, C Shot Chart 34 MIN | 7-13 FG | 0-2 FT | 15 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 5 BLK | 3 TO | 14 PTS | -21Drummond got more post-ups than usual, and they yielded mixed results. But I love Drummond becoming more involved in the offense, and I’ll happily ride out the growing pains. Drummond is so big big and nimble, he can get point-blank looks over nearby defenders who barely bother him. He just needs to get more comfortable with his footwork and finishing, but the early signs of dominance are there. In the meantime, he’s still consistently contributing offensively by dominating the offensive glass. Drummond also used his size to his benefit defensively tonight. He held Al Jefferson to 4-of-14 shooting while guarding the Charlotte big man, including blocking three of Jefferson’s shots, but more on that later.
Brandon Jennings, PG Shot Chart 37 MIN | 10-20 FG | 3-5 FT | 1 REB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 26 PTS | -10Whoosh. Whoosh. Whoosh. That’s Kemba Walker repeatedly blowing by Jennings. Jennings had one great defensive play, a backcourt steal and layup, on Walker. Otherwise, Walker (34 points on 17 shots) abused him. Jennings scored well, did an OK job of setting up his teammates and protected the ball excellently. But his defense stunk.
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG Shot Chart 22 MIN | 1-2 FG | 2-2 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 5 PTS | -7It’s not totally Caldwell-Pope’s fault his teammates ignored him for most of the game, but because he can’t do more than spot up, he’ll rarely make huge contributions. Though Caldwell-Pope’s defensive effort was high per usual, Gerald Henderson gave him fits. Even on a good defensive play, getting a steal, Caldwell-Pope’s limited skill set hurt him right after. Bringing the ball upcourt through merely light traffic, he was stripped.
Josh Harrellson, PF Shot Chart 18 MIN | 5-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 1 TO | 12 PTS | +11Harrellson missed three point-blank attempts on one possession, and then he caught fire, hitting five straight jumpers. He made an on open mid-range shot and then built from there, knocking down a couple 3s and semi-guarded shots. For a while, The Palace had Harrellson fever. He showed the diversity of his offensive game, driving and dropping for a Monroe dunk and cutting hard off the ball, though he dropped the pass. Defensively, got pushed too deep under the basket a couple times, preventing him from contesting drivers. But he ran the court hard to block a transition layup and had decent results stepping out to defend the pick-and-roll.
Kyle Singler, SF Shot Chart 26 MIN | 3-7 FG | 1-2 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 10 PTS | -7Singler made the Pistons’ ball movement pay off, hitting 2-of-3 3-pointers. Henderson gave him trouble, too, though.
Will Bynum, PG Shot Chart 13 MIN | 2-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 5 PTS | -3Bismack Biyombo literally blocked most of Bynum’s shots. The Pistons point guard just didn’t seem to have enough lift tonight. Even his passes lacked lift. Bynum’s lob to Drummond wasn’t high enough, so Drummond had to lay in the ball rather than dunk it.
Chauncey Billups, SG Shot Chart 13 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 3 PTS | -3Billups is a smart player. I know that. But he didn’t look it tonight, or at least he didn’t appear to realize his limitations. He hit a 3-pointer with a hand in his face, and then he forced a long 3-pointer while guarded and airballed it. He had nice drive and dish to Bynum for a corner 3-pointer, and then he tried to drive by Ramon Sessions, who was closely guarding him, and had ball stolen. The Pistons waste too many possessions trying to push their luck. I can’t be surprised when Jennings and Smith do it. Billups should know better.
Maurice Cheeks Lawrence Frank
Al Jefferson made three straight Charlotte shots midway through the fourth quarter, the first two over Drummond and the third over Smith. On the next Bobcats possession, Drummond, as he’d done most of the night, kept Jefferson from getting too deep. Jennings doubled anyway, and Jefferson kicked to Walker, who made a 3-pointer that put Detroit down 103-99 and capped a 9-0 Charlotte run. Cheeks Frank pulled Drummond after that sequence, even though, as noted above, Drummond had done an awesome job on Jefferson in aggregate. With Drummond on the bench, Jefferson abused Monroe on the next two possessions and then hit a ridiculous jumper over Smith on the third post-timeout possession, putting Detroit down 110-102. The final shot was unguardable, but Drummond would have certainly fared better than Monroe on the previous two. I don’t care about free throws. Drummond is the Pistons’ best player, and he was dominating the game’s most-pivotal matchup at that point. Detroit needs to ride him in that situation. There’s no excuse for Cheeks Frank to keep Drummond on the bench. I thought this problem ended after last season.

31 Comments

  • Dec 21, 20135:46 am
    by Brandon Knight

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    “Cheeks said he pulled Drummond late because he felt Monroe would be better defender on Big Al. He scored the next 3 possessions after that” – Vincent Goodwill via twitter. 
    Lmaooo are you kidding me? Monroe??
    When will the coaches learn that benching Drummond is trouble??? 
    Ughh so pissed! We should’ve won this game :(

    • Dec 21, 20138:54 am
      by Edgar

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      Unreal. At least the players like him.

  • Dec 21, 20136:32 am
    by Ryank

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    Did you see Andre “check out?”  He stopped playing.  I watched him just stand there while the other team grabbed rebounds.  I’m not sure what was going on…I couldn’t believe my eyes.  

    • Dec 21, 20138:59 am
      by David

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      Yeah I saw that too. He did not look engaged what-so-ever. I assumed that’s why he was pulled.

      • Dec 21, 20133:16 pm
        by Quick Darshan

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        Yeah, I was screaming at the TV for them to sit Drummond.  I don’t know if he was just gassed or what but his lack of effort was directly responsible for 4 straight points at a critical moment.

  • Dec 21, 20136:52 am
    by rainmax

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    all i can say is that its another “winnable game” down the drain…..

  • Dec 21, 20138:51 am
    by picknroll

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    Mo Cheeks!!  ”I thought Monroe would be a better defensive matchup on Jefferson!!!”  What was he watching for the first 3 quarters??!!  It’s statements like these that just make wonder about his coaching ability!!  Also, during the 4th quarter run by the Bobcats try something, a zone for one or two possessions, trap the guards, change match-ups, anything!!  Probably nothing we could do about it!!   
     

    • Dec 21, 201310:19 am
      by lisa

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      Nothing we could do about it!! How about some DEFENCE! I also saw Andre backing out of position, not blocking out. Sure did lose their will to fight. What’s up with that at the end of a game?

  • Dec 21, 20139:18 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Thad young…is looking better and better

  • Dec 21, 201311:20 am
    by ZekeKhaseli

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    I like the grade you put on the team. Bynum’s stubborness should be rewarded with lower grade though. When he and Billups was in the game thats when all hell breaks loose. We need to get more power on D through trade before trade deadline comes

  • Dec 21, 201311:28 am
    by OOtis

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    I want to see Monroe, Drummond, and Harrelson out there together!  We could run the Power Sweep! Tough loss!

    • Dec 21, 20132:14 pm
      by anthony

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      having those 3 together would somewhat simulate what itd be like if we traded monroe of andersen. Itd be a C with 2 PFs out there, just one of them can pop 3s

  • Dec 21, 201312:04 pm
    by jpeezy

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    Granted Jennings isn’t the best defender but it also don’t help when screens are being set with Monroe ‘s man his lack of foot speed to step out & stretch the play out is really hurting.On one particular play he was actually screening Jennings as well.

  • Dec 21, 201312:26 pm
    by Dave

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    Monroe for Rondo and put kcp at sf and jennings at SG  .

  • Dec 21, 20131:03 pm
    by anacaniwelk

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    Drummond was just standing around defensively.  Last night was the indifferent Drummond scouts warned everyone about. Once again when the 4th quarter starts, and it’s time to win, Drummond is no where to be found.  Anyone else noticing how much more offensive talent Harrellson has over Drummond?

  • Dec 21, 20131:57 pm
    by pistons moribund

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    back to life, back to reality.  Losing to the Bobcats should bring everyone back to reality.  Bullwinkle’s inability to hit the outside shot is really hurting the team.  His hesitation makes it much worse and clogs the middle for Dre.  Constantly bring the ball down low against smaller defenders and the same old same old drive spin is getting scouted.  Compared to other max contract players……Bullwinkle is not even close.  Time to move Bullwinkle to the bench and put Smith back to his natural position.  Bring Bullwinkle and Jorts off the bench with Billups for the no defense team.

  • Dec 21, 20133:19 pm
    by Brandon Knight

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    How about this trade: 
    Thadus Young and Even Turner
    For
    Greg Monroe, KCP and Charlie V. 
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kqyeeqf 
    What do you guys think?
    It works for both teams!
    Pg Brandon Jennings
    SG Even Turner 
    SF Josh Smith
    PF Thadus Young
    C Andre Drummond
     

    • Dec 21, 20133:36 pm
      by OOtis

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      Having Monroe in ridiculous trades is common around here, but we’re already giving up on KCP as well?  It’s hard to gauge those two Sixers because they’re putting up good stats on an awful team.  The only way you trade Monroe this year is if the Pistons get a better player in return, which is unlikely right now.  Keep the core together for the year, get a wing with the MLE next year, then we have more pieces and a better market to trade (where half the league isn’t intentionally sucking).

      • Dec 21, 20134:31 pm
        by Brandon Knight

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        KCP is not the answer! We all like defense; however, KCP is a shooting guard and he needs to score the ball. He can only shoot and if his shot isn’t falling he is useless. 

    • Dec 21, 20133:50 pm
      by T Casey

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      I like it for the most part. It might make more sense to try and trade Monroe straight up, so to speak, for Turner or at least find a way to bring a true 2 guard back. Being that Turner is a sf, with that lineup we’d have 2 players now playing down from their natural positions on the wings which would pose even more problems on the defensive end. Finding a way to keep Turner at the 3 and moving Smith back to pf might be a key in making that work imo.

  • Dec 21, 20133:37 pm
    by domnick

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    -21 for drummond… but for me the reason bobcats got back is becoz of will bynum and billups 4th quarter turnovers….
    stuck needs to play soon… we need to have a reliable scorer off the bench

  • Dec 21, 20133:41 pm
    by NBALive14

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    New coach new players new system give it some time!!

  • Dec 21, 20134:09 pm
    by Derek

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    Horrible loss.  After making steps toward turning the corner, we turn around and crap away the fourth quarter.  Drummond checks out.  Billups & Bynum turn it over at will.  Moose gets manhandled by Jefferson.
     
    My only positive take away from this game is the play of Josh Harrellson.  I love that guy!
     
    We’ve got to do better and I’m sure we will.  This loss just disgusts me.
     
     

  • Dec 21, 20134:12 pm
    by frankie d

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    billups played like an idiot last night.
    he forced things, and when he didn’t have good options, he forced things some more.
    what is happening with him is typical of older players who are close to the end.  some games he looks like a decent version of his younger self and then other games he just looks old.  that is why it is crucial for the coach to be on top of things and recognize when over-the-hill chauncey is out there and when that is the case, he should get him out of there as quickly as possible.  and when chauncey, for whatever reason, has his legs and his head on right, he should ride him.
    the problem is that this team has no player who can perform as good chauncey can perform.  (siva showed flashes of that during summer league, but has seemed overwhelmed so far in the regular season.)
    so when chauncey doesn’t have his game going, the team is literally left with chuckin jennings as their best ball handler/decisionmaker/playmaker, which is a truly frightening reality.
    (saw the lakers last night after the pistons and it finally dawned on me that jennings reminds me of nick young with a better handle.  he has the same seemingly constitutional inability to recognize good shots and when he should or should not shoot.) i’ve said it before and it becomes more evident as the season goes along: this team has exactly the same needs it had last year before they went out and spent 80 million on smith and jennings.
    the team still needs a wing scorer who can nail 3′s and stretch the floor and defend other wings.  (at least they probably want an upgrade over singler, though i would have allowed singled and middleton to fight over the minutes.)
    the team still needs a real point guard who can run the team and make decisions.
    jennings’ numbers are the hollowest numbers i’ve ever seen a player accumulate.
    he’s averaging 8 assists?  that is hilarious.  yea…8 times a game he dribbles around long enough, can’t find his own open shot and then finally he finds a guy he can dump the ball off to.  and if a guy shoots enough, he is going to average 17 points a game. big freakin deal.
    every once in a while his hero ball BS will help the team win, but a season is 82 games long, the post season is another mini-season by itself and over the coarse of all those games, when someone plays like jennings plays, the horribleness of his bad shooting, bad decisions, horrible defense and general dunderheadedness eventually catches up to a team.  it’s only a matter of time.
    pistons’ fans better get used to watching this team go through this nonsense all season long.  billups obviously won’t be capable of providing help consistently and jennings obviously cannot be depended on.  
    this team needs a point guard.  period. 

  • Dec 21, 20134:36 pm
    by Brandon Knight

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    he’s averaging 8 assists?  that is hilarious.  yea…8 times a game he dribbles around long enough, can’t find his own open shot and then finally he finds a guy he can dump the ball off to
    Stop talking about basketball please!!, you’re the one who is hilarious. 

    • Dec 21, 20134:37 pm
      by Brandon Knight

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      frankie d

  • Dec 21, 20135:04 pm
    by Mr Woods

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    I said this a year ago. Detroit should have offered OKC the 8th pick & Rodney Stuckey for Jeremy Lamb & Perry Jones III & OKC’s 12th pick. Im sure we would have had a better team. 

  • Dec 21, 20135:15 pm
    by Otis

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    Where are the turkeys preaching all this “progress” today? Gobble gobble?

  • Dec 21, 20136:49 pm
    by pistons moribund

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    Wagon looks empty?!?

  • Dec 21, 201311:24 pm
    by Imported from The D

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    Chill out! We are one of the youngest teams in the league. Half of our starting line up can barely buy a beer. The loss hurts like a girlfriend dumping you but the bottom line is we have promise when teams like the Nets and Knicks have nowhere to turn. Time and patients. Mo cheeks is doing a great job for a coach with a young team. At least they respect and listen to him. Josh is doing what we need him to do and Jennings had no turnovers last night. Flat out ya’ll need to chill its 29 games into the season. Tell me who on this board would not take a .500 record at mid season?

  • Dec 21, 201311:25 pm
    by Imported from The D

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    Typo patience.

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