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Brandon Jennings outguns Celtics (and Trey Burke and Brandon Knight)

Detroit Pistons 107 Final
Recap | Box Score
106 Boston Celtics
Greg Monroe, PF 34 MIN | 5-12 FG | 2-5 FT | 8 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 3 TO | 12 PTS | +10

If Monroe had a jumper he trusted, he would have dominated this game (though he probably would have been guarded differently). The Celtics backed off, daring him to shoot even from short-mid-range. He refused, taking just one shot outside six feet. Boston’s defensive plan made it much harder for Monroe to get good looks inside, but he still used aggressive moves to get a few. Defensively, Monroe was strong. He was slow on some rotations, but he moved well enough that the Pistons could switch frequently on pick-and-rolls. He also effectively defended bigs physically, even if that led to a few fouls.

Josh Smith, SF 33 MIN | 8-18 FG | 3-3 FT | 4 REB | 3 AST | 4 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 20 PTS | -8

Does any other player miss more open shots? Opponents give him a lot of open jumpers, and he rarely hesitates to take them – and he misses most of them. Smith shot 4-for-4 in the restricted area and 4-for-14 everywhere else, though he hit a couple late long 2s that helped down stretch (and will likely further skew his perception of a good shot). Since getting inside against the Trail Blazers, Smith has wandered outside more often in these last two games. I hope that trend ends soon. Smith defended well on the ball, but his off-ball defense was more adventurous. Smith roamed and pressured passing lanes, but that also left his man open on the perimeter and took Smith out of rebounding position. On the plus side, Smith handled the ball a lot and had no turnovers.

Andre Drummond, C 38 MIN | 7-11 FG | 0-0 FT | 16 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 3 TO | 14 PTS | +14

Tim and I agree on most basketball issues, but one area where we don’t see eye-to-eye is how to best use Drummond defensively. Though Drummond has had flashes of defending the perimeter well, I don’t think that’s sustainable. Tim does, believing Drummond should handle that role in Detroit’s big lineups rather than Smith. Score one in my favor tonight. Drummond was often pulled outside the paint defensively, and he was largely lost. When protecting the paint, he did an excellent job, though. He also absolutely destroyed the glass on both ends. Drummond might be the NBA’s best rebounder.

Brandon Jennings, PG 40 MIN | 9-21 FG | 5-6 FT | 4 REB | 14 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 28 PTS | +12

Jennings is not afraid to shoot. That’s for certain. He pulled up for jumpers Sidney Deane would be ashamed to take. But Jennings made more than his fair share tonight, including 5-of-8 3-pointers. Avery Bradley is no defensive slouch, either. Jennings was just an offensive force tonight, clearing the bar he raised for himself by dominating the ball throughout many of Detroit’s possessions. Not all Jennings’ dribbling went toward finding himself shots, and he did a good job of getting his teammates good looks, too. The timing of Jennings’ breakthrough game couldn’t have been better. He’s underwhelmed this season, and his detractors wouldn’t have had to look past Wednesday night to see what could have been (Brandon Knight had 36 points, three assist and nine rebounds*) and what should have been (Trey Burke had 30 points, eight assists, seven rebounds).** But Jennings more than held his own in a mythical matchup that exists only in the mind of Pistons fans, and he wasn’t so bad in a real-life matchup with the Celtics, either.

*And eight turnovers. Some things never change.

**For the record, I would have drafted Burke and still completed the sign-and-trade for Jennings.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG 27 MIN | 4-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 9 PTS | -1

Caldwell-Pope ran the floor hard to get good offensive looks, and he made a majority of his shots for the first time in two weeks. Caldwell-Pope did not get many opportunities defensively. Jordan Crawford took many awful shots before any defender could have an impact, positive or negative. When given a chance in the halfcourt, Caldwell-Pope fell short of his usual high defensive standards, but he anticipated passes to make a couple nice steals.

Josh Harrellson, PF 12 MIN | 1-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -7

Harrellson tried to be active, but sometimes he was half a beat slow to react. He still made a few quietly helpful plays, but he wasn’t getting those deflections/tips/etc. as often as usual.

Jonas Jerebko, PF 5 MIN | 1-3 FG | 1-1 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 3 PTS | +4

Jerebko showed good energy on defense, and he converted an and-1 on a strong cut along the baseline. He looked a little too hard for his 3-pointer, missing both his attempts from beyond the arc in just five minutes.

Kyle Singler, SF 25 MIN | 3-8 FG | 4-5 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 11 PTS | -6

Singler made a comical blunder when he jumped straight up and came back down with the ball at the end of the first quarter. It became less funny when the Celtics threw an inbound with 0.2 seconds left, and Jared Sullinger tipped in the ball. Singler was poor as a spot-up shooter, making just 1-of-5 3-pointers, but he found moderate success as a cutter and running the break.

Will Bynum, PG 5 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 2 PTS | -12

Bynum had more turnovers than field goals and assists combined. The offense just lacked flow when he played, though he played all five his minutes with a motley lineup. He made up for some of his point-guard issues with a steal and breakaway layup.

Chauncey Billups, SG 19 MIN | 2-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 6 PTS | -1

Billups looked resigned to the effects of his aging. All his shots were 3-pointers, and after initially seizing point-guard duties from Jennings after entering for Caldwell-Pope midway through the first quarter, Billups drifted into a complementary role.

Maurice Cheeks

The Celtics scored 42 first-quarter points on their way to building a 21-point lead. Their good ball movement and player movement left the Pistons frequently out of position to contest shots. But Detroit adjusted, and it became clear players gained a better understanding of their defensive assignments. However, Cheeks’ talk with Smith, what appeared as if it could be a pivotal moment in the season, has already stopped resonating.

75 Comments

  • Dec 19, 20136:57 am
    by Vic

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    Character win, won against a team that played smarter than them. That’s important to be able to do

  • Dec 19, 20137:00 am
    by pistonspoland

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    How is it possible that Monroe and Drummond suck defensively and they get high grade for defense. They were terrible in first quarter, just terrible. Drummond was late, he defended P&R’s poorly and he lost his man in a transition defense.. twice! Drummond i so raw… I love his potential, athleticism and hands, but he is getting too much credit for a defense.

    • Dec 19, 20137:06 am
      by KaBa

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      Because a game is longer than one quarter and especially when it’s the first one. Everyone raised there games. That’s the reason why they won at the end, but a A- or B+ would have been a better fit for Drummond and a B- for Moose.

      • Dec 19, 20139:06 am
        by pistonspoland

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        Drummond made mistakes whole game, he left Sullinger open. He was really bad today defensively for most of a game.. His number are great, and I really love that they managed to win today, but no way he deserves an A. A should be reserved for a whole good game. I think maximum for him is B-.

    • Dec 19, 201312:14 pm
      by Aleks

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      Agree 100 %. It is correct that he gets too much credit. I wouldn’t give Monroe B at all. BJ and JS got him inside just to put the ball inn, and close the game by the end but athletic as he is (2 inches vertical) he missed the layup (that’s a dunk dude), Then he didn’t box out “athletic” Suliinger to made the game interesting. Drum also lot of mistakes but overall ok (B solid).
      So overall “bad signings” gives us some good wins :). Give them another month to show us how good they can be and make the move.

  • Dec 19, 20137:11 am
    by Raphael

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    KCP gets a low grade again. He got the same grade as jerebko, who only hit one shot and a free throw.  how can KCP shoot over 50% 0 TO and play good defense and get the same grade as JJ?  Because Dan wanted Trey Burke and KCP will be graded harder because of it?  Say it ain’t so, Dan!  Lol

    • Dec 19, 201310:38 am
      by Huddy

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      KCP played 5 times as much as JJ.  Both descriptions have them playing well defensively and Jonas could have hit 50% shooting with one more shot.  JJ’s defense was described as better, but he looked too much for the 3…doesn’t seem like based on the narrative the grades are inadequate.  If you think KCP defended a lot better than described or JJ was worse than described, but as written the grades make plenty of sense.  Your comment makes sense if they played equal minutes.

  • Dec 19, 20137:47 am
    by Ryank

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    You have something against The Pope, that’s for sure…either that or you don’t understand the defensive end of the floor.  It boggles my mind the way you rate these performance.  So much of what actually happens doesn’t show up in the stat line and much of what does isn’t something you can credit or discredit a player with.  The Pope held down Paul George one night after holding down Joe Johnson…just as much of an impact on the game as a great stat line.  It’s obvious great stat lines are the only thing you understand.

    • Dec 19, 201311:03 am
      by Jake

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      I have also been confused about his grades for KCP. I watch a game, see KCP shut down his man all night, and then read Dan either criticizing or ignoring his defensive contributions.  I am not going to venture a guess as to why Dan consistently underrates this aspect of KCP’s game.  I will simply note that what he describes consistently fails to match up with what actually happened in reality.

      • Dec 19, 201311:58 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        Because his name isn’t Trey Burke…he’s Dans man crush

    • Dec 19, 201311:32 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      Did you look at Dan’s defender-by-defender breakdown of how each Piston did defending Paul George?

      • Dec 19, 201312:11 pm
        by Ryank

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        I didn’t see that.  Perhaps it would reveal something good about The Pope.  I watch him sticking to him man like a glove.  He’s one of those pain in the ass defenders who you can’t get free of.  The Pope is an elite defender.  If he keeps this up, he will get all-nba defensive recognition after a few years.

        • Dec 19, 20133:10 pm
          by Tim Thielke

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          Pope did a good job on George, but so did every other defender Detroit threw at him.

  • Dec 19, 20138:30 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    “”If Monroe had a jumper he trusted, he would have dominated this game (though he probably would have been guarded differently). The Celtics backed off, daring him to shoot even from short-mid-range. He refused, taking just one shot outside six feet. Boston’s defensive plan made it much harder for Monroe to get good looks inside”"
    Thank you Dan it wasnt just me, you HAVE TO TAKE THOSE SHOTS! ..Hesitate, hold the ball, jab step, pump fake, jab step…Freezes the offense… the other four guys are watching him like shoot or give it up…
    I really like Monroe, even coming out of college, and I would have hoped by now he at least have confidence in a 10-15 footer…. teams are just going to start packing the paint… 

    • Dec 19, 201310:47 am
      by Huddy

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      IMO I would prefer not to have Monroe add 3 misses from 10-15 feet to make him similarly inefficient with Smith just for the sake of taking an open shot for the same reason that I cringe watching Smith shoot a 3 5 seconds into the shot clock.  If Monroe isn’t confident with it then he shouldn’t shoot it because it isn’t going to go in.  I hope that he develops confidence in it, but I am not really concerned with how he plays when compared to what teams are going to start to do.  If teams start to pack the paint and he cant get inside with drives/posts and get to the line as well then he is going to need to test his confidence more, but why shoot less efficient shots because in the future your more efficient shots might be harder to come by.  Take what the D is giving you and adjust as needed.  If you predict that 2-3 guys are going to move further in just to handle Monroe that opens everyone else more.  Smith can hit a 15 footer better than the awful threes they give him now so pulling him closer is only going to help and if its anyone else is left open to double Greg (Pope, Singler, Stuckey, etc.) I am more comfortable with them taking open looks than Greg taking one that he hasn’t proven he can hit yet.

      • Dec 19, 20135:03 pm
        by oats

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        No, Smith can’t. He shoots 27% on all shots outside of the paint. At 15′-20′ he shoots 27.9%. At 20′-24′ line he shoots 26.6%. He shoots 26.3% on 3s. Oh, and he shoots 26.9% on shots from 10′-14′. Seriously, if he isn’t in the paint then he might as well be shooting 3s since they go in at the same rate no matter the distance. Actually, the area he shoots the best outside of the paint is the above the break 3 at 28.3%, and he gets an extra point for it being a 3 point shot.

  • Dec 19, 20138:40 am
    by Vic

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    I’d take Monroe’s efficiency over Smiths irrational confidence every day. Because when becomes a good shot for him, he’ll know it and he’ll take it like Karl MalOne. Munro is more likely to be great because he desires efficiency.

    • Dec 19, 20138:44 am
      by Vic

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      I read somewhere last year that LeBron and D Wade check the box score the first thing after every game just to see who shot over 50%. If the greatest players on the back to back champions of the league’s number one goal after every game is to have shot efficiently, what excuse does anyone else in the league have?

    • Dec 19, 201310:00 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      Greg needs to take that shot…PERIOD
      Being efficient is great…but 10 footers? 15 footers? ….it’ll only get harder for him…
       

  • Dec 19, 20138:56 am
    by menten

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    drummond an A, the same as jennings, what a joke

  • Dec 19, 20139:23 am
    by Rich

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    Shameful defensive display by the Pistons frontcourt.
     
    They were routinely beaten badly down the court by Boston’s bigs.  It happened time and time and time again.  I lost count of how many layups they gave up.
     
    The low point was when Monroe got beaten down the court for a layup in the third quarter – 5 or 6 seconds into the shot clock.  How is that even possible?  You almost have to TRY to be that lazy.

  • Dec 19, 20139:41 am
    by anacaniwelk

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    As usual Drummond is an empty suit when it’s time to win a basketball game….and Feldman gives him an A.  What a joke.  
    Jennings and Smith do the heavy lifting for this team. Even when he gives them a high grades he spends most of his comments tearing them down. Feldman is not the kind of person you wanna know. You can see the bad character he has in his writing.
     

    • Dec 19, 201311:09 am
      by @GPMasters

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      Way to get personal … no need for that

    • Dec 19, 20132:56 pm
      by jerrific

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      You nailed. Everyone knows that basketball analysis is directly related to character. Obviously feldman is the anti christ and it’s up to noble commenters like you to put him in his place.  

  • Dec 19, 20139:42 am
    by MIKEYDE248

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    Better watch out.  The Pistons actually have a winning road record.  They are only 4 wins away from matching last years road win total too.
    Way to tough it out yesterday.  This same game probably would have been a double digit loss a couple weeks ago.  I think they are starting to learn to play together.  If they could just stop Jennings and Smith from taking bad shots.  I can’t tell you how many times I was yelling at the TV, when they jacked up those long shots, they were lucky that some of them were falling…especially late in the game.  If they don’t start taking better shots, on most nights, this would have been a loss.

  • Dec 19, 20139:46 am
    by joe

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    If the Pistons want to be on the same level as the Pacers or the Heat, here the next move:
    Jenning
    Derozen
    Smith

    • Dec 19, 201310:05 am
      by joe

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      My bad, if the Pistons want to be on the same level as the Pacers or the Heat, here the next move:
      Jennings          Bynum          Jennings       
      DeRozan           KCP              KCP
      Smith          JJ or Singler       DeRozan
      Monroe            Mitchell          Smith
      Drummond       Harrelson        Drummond
      Trading Stuckey, Singler or/and JJ should be able to get the Pistons a player like DeRozan from Toronto, DeRozan would automatically make us an Championship contender. Dumars need to get it done!

      • Dec 19, 201310:27 am
        by joe

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        Nobody gonna want Charlie V, so these are the players that the Pistons should make available with an Stuckey trade, Singler, Datome, Jebrebko, Bynum and Siva. 

      • Dec 19, 201310:52 am
        by Huddy

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        Toronto is going to give up their best player for Stuckey on an expiring deal or one of our role players? 

        • Dec 19, 201311:21 am
          by joe

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          I think it’s a fair trade considering that Stuckey is the Pistons leading scorer, hey Toronto gave up Rudy Gay for nothing so I don’t see why DeRozan would be different. Toronto is trying to tank their season without looking like it, so by acquiring Stuckey, Singler, maybe Siva and JJ for DeRozan, Toronto still look like there trying to compete.   

          • Dec 19, 201311:37 am
            by Huddy

            Adding more and more reserve players doesn’t really move the needle much to make the trade better.  What use does Toronto have adding Singler and JJ with Hansboro, Fields, Novak, Daye, Salmons, Patterson on the team or throwing in Siva When they have 4 PGs?
            Gay is well regarded as a bad acquisition that is extremely inefficient and moving him opened up a lot of contract space for Toronto.  Derozan is on a much more manageable contract.  They reportedly want to move Derozan, but have a high asking price.  He is playing well for them and they are still losing so they don’t have to move him quickly, especially not just for Stuckey.  Its kind of a lateral move for Detroit anyway.  Derozan is better than Stuckey, but not a better fit.  He doesn’t have good range from the outside just like Stuckey so he doesn’t solve any problems and is locked into contract.  Why not keep Stuckey (in this scenario not all trade scenarios) and keep getting his high level of production with out adding cap restraints going forward?

          • Dec 19, 201311:57 am
            by joe

            DeRozan is a way better fit with the Pistons than Stuckey because DeRozan can give the Pistons meaningful minutes at the 2 and 3. I don’t know if you looked at any Toronto games lately but most of DeRozan damage come from the perimeter, his outside game improved a lot. 

          • Dec 19, 20132:15 pm
            by Huddy

            “improved a lot” he used to be a 28% 3 pt shooter not he is shooting 3 a game and is a 31% shooter.  Improving from really bad to pretty bad doesn’t make him a good fit.  He actually is shooting the same percentage from 3 that Stuckey is and it is more likely Stuckey sustains it since he has hovered around the same for the last few years. 
            http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1016-DeMar-DeRozan
            There is Derozans shot chart over the past 30 days.  He is 28% from behind the arc and 65% from in the paint…which would you describe as where he is doing the most damage?
             
            Derozan is still worth more than what you describe him as being and all reports on the subject show Toronto wants quite a bit for him.

          • Dec 19, 20135:27 pm
            by oats

            DeRozan isn’t all that good. He’s a big stats on a bad team guy. Look at him and Stuckey using per 36 numbers.
             
            DeRozan: 20.4 points, 3.7 rebounds, 2.9 assists, 1.1 steal, .434 from the field, .318 from 3, true shooting percentage of .527.
            Stuckey: 19.7 points, 3.1 rebounds, 2.9 assists, 1.1 steal, .460 from the field, .313 from 3, true shooting percentage of .544.
             
            DeRozan is taller, younger, and plays more minutes. That’s about it. I would also say Stuckey is the better defender since he at least tries sometimes. The two most glaring weaknesses on the team are perimeter shooting and defense. DeRozan fixes zero of those problems, and he doesn’t improve the team in any meaningful way. He’s basically just a younger Stuckey, and I wouldn’t want to give Stuckey the contract DeRozan. He’s got 3 years at $9.5 million a year left on his deal.
             
            Plus Toronto doesn’t do it. Ujiri almost certainly reads it the same way I do. He knows DeRozan is overpaid, and he likely knows that there is not a significant difference between DeRozan and Stuckey. Yet he’s already proven that he can still find people willing to take on bad players. After what he’s gotten for Bargnani and Gay he has to be looking for more than this for DeRozan. I mean, DeRozan is better than either of those guys. I don’t know who the buyer is, but someone will be interested in a 24 year old who can put up 20+ points a game.

  • Dec 19, 20139:53 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    “”Tim and I agree on most basketball issues, but one area where we don’t see eye-to-eye is how to best use Drummond defensively. Though Drummond has had flashes of defending the perimeter well, I don’t think that’s sustainable. Tim does, believing Drummond should handle that role in Detroit’s big lineups rather than Smith.”"”
    MY POINT EXACTLY!….Rotating and Switching Drummond is GREAT…. but that different from defending the perimeter…On that last Drive by Green, Smith was with Green step for step and basically timed Greens shot selection at its peak… i dont know if Drummond has that in his game yet

    • Dec 19, 201310:54 am
      by Huddy

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      I think Drummond’s size advantage hinders him against perimeter players as far as fouls go as well.  The smaller player gets more of the benefit of the doubt when matching up with a big man and plays on the move like that last shot are especially hard for a big man to keep straight up on without getting a foul call against them.

    • Dec 19, 201312:28 pm
      by Tim Thielke

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      Let’s put it this way. I don’t know if Drummond defending the perimeter would definitely work. But it might and there’s nothing to lose in trying it, given how poorly Smith has defended shooters this year.

      Also, I’m just a big fan of trying novel ideas. Most won’t work and then you scrap them. Every now and then, you stumble on one that does and then you have an edge.

      • Dec 19, 20131:41 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        The team was play zone defense…to protect monroe…in the last several games they look totally different even against Boston…they adjusted 
        Smith is not the weak link and I love Drummond and he is young but he is not the interior defensive force we all thought he;d be and u want to take out hest rebounder away from the basket? 

        • Dec 19, 20133:14 pm
          by Tim Thielke

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          The distance between the arc and the basket is not much. Drummond is more than capable of crossing that distance during the shot.

          Also, this is only something I suggest trying for when all three of Smith/Monroe/Drummond are on the floor. When that’s the case, the Pistons really should be dominating the defensive glass even if one is a bit further away.

          • Dec 19, 20135:39 pm
            by oats

            Tim’s right about that last part at least. Moving Drummond away from the hoop should hurt him a bit, but moving Smith closer should help him some. The Pistons have 3 strong defensive rebounders on the court in that lineup, so even if the best of them is the one moved away from the hoop they still have a pair of quality guys near it. On top of that, Drummond is quick enough that he will likely still be the best rebounder on the court despite that extra distance. Rebounding is not a sufficiently good reason not to try it.
             
            I worry that Drummond looks good in limited usage on perimeter guys the way Smith looked good when he didn’t do it often, but if he does it more then Drummond will be exposed the way Smith has been. I think I’d prefer it if Drummond just focused on the nuances of big man defense first since this 3 big roster might not be in tact for all that long anyways. Once he’s mastered that I’d be up for experimenting with him on perimeter players, if that is actually still something the team needs addressed.

          • Dec 19, 20137:02 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            That’s fair. I expect this three big lineup to stick around for quite a while. But who knows what tinkering may be in store.

  • Dec 19, 201310:54 am
    by Jacob

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    Jennings and Monroe for Rondo and Sullinger.

    • Dec 19, 201311:11 am
      by @GPMasters

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      Sullinger is nice, but his back issues would continue to worry me.

    • Dec 19, 201312:06 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      Rondo can not shoot the ball…no thanks, and he is use to playing with great players that covered for all of his flaws…. I like sullinger, if we didn’t draft Drummond I would be passed if we passed on Sullinger…only issue is size and defense…but he couldn’t be any worse than Monroe 

    • Dec 19, 201312:07 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      Rondo can not shoot the ball…no thanks, and he is use to playing with great players that covered for all of his flaws…. I like sullinger, if we didn’t draft Drummond I would be passed if we passed on Sullinger…only issue is size and defense…but he couldn’t be any worse than Monroe …

    • Dec 19, 20132:04 pm
      by jg22

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      If you think Rondo is better than Jennings and Sullinger better than Monroe, don’t you think Boston feels that way too?

  • Dec 19, 201311:00 am
    by Jacob

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    Just so everyone knows. B Knight scored 36 in 2ot playing 50 min, against the knicks who have no PG. Also only 3 assists. Trey Burke got his against the Orlando Magic.

  • Dec 19, 201311:08 am
    by picknroll

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    Dan………I love these post game grades and always look for them!  I’m amazed how upset some people get when their favorite player gets a low mark!!  I love (for the most part) the conversations these grades generate!!  The one player I would rate a bit higher most games is KCP.  It seems since he has been a starter that our defense is improved overall.  Even though he isn’t shooting well, his % is just a couple of points behind Brandon Jennings!  Not sure what his ceiling is but I think he can be a solid rotation player by playing good defense and without needing to be a scorer!  Keep up the good work with PistonPowered and know it is appreciated!!

  • Dec 19, 201311:15 am
    by Huddy

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    Dan, can you elaborate on why you would have made the sign and trade of Jennings if they have drafter Burke?  I was one of the many that were disappointed when Burke wasn’t picked on draft night especially considering the biggest argument against him was his size and lack of defensive ability in the NBA now that Jennings is running the show with the same issues.  I don’t see how acquiring Jennings would still be a good idea in that scenario though.  Knight could have been slotted into more of a off the bench SG/PG role with pretty solid defensive ability, which I think compliments Burke well.  A trade/FA would probably be necessary to fill the starting SG role, but if then still got Jennings Burke would see far less minutes meaning less experience or I would think Jennings would negatively react to sharing responsibilities.  Just wanted to know how you see that working out.

  • Dec 19, 201311:22 am
    by TerryMills

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    Everyone who wants the Pistons to swing a trade have several typos in their comments. Learn how to read, write, and spell people!

  • Dec 19, 201311:34 am
    by TerryMills

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    *Has. The Pistons have a really good team right now. We don’t need anything. Just time to learn and build chemistry. Good coach, good players.
    Go Pistons!!! 

  • Dec 19, 201311:37 am
    by hoophabit

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    I’m with the “Drummond shouldn’t be planned to defend on the perimeter crowd.”
    Drummond doesn’t deserve an A for this game?  You do watch what happens when he’s not on the floor, right?

  • Dec 19, 201311:55 am
    by StallionMaster1

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    The Pistons won the game.  Several players made overall good contributions.  In fact, most of the players that got any serious burn played well.  The team is getting better and they do not need to trade anyone to be a playoff threat.  They have beaten Miami and Indiana on the road and they played well against Portland   Compared to last year they are much improved.  The rotation is rounding into form especially with Smith taking more shorts closer to the basket and realizing, perhaps, that he isn’t good at shooting.  Give them 15 more games and it will look even better.  Considering the number of new starters I am pleasantly surprised how well things are going.  Jennings was a real question mark to me as he came in as a 39% shooter career from the floor.  Maybe Cheeks as a former player has his respect and his ear.  Singler is a bonus as he makes plays at multiple positions and allows Cheeks flexibility when dealing with mistake prone Jennings and Smith as he knows he can count on Singler to close out on the players that they lose in the defensive shuffle.  looking forward 4 through 6 seed in the playoffs.  Wait for SMith, Monroe, or Drummond to miss a couple weeks with injury and then we’ll see how the team responds.  Who will step up?

  • Dec 19, 201311:59 am
    by Tyrell

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    I really can’t believe some of the comments regarding Drummond’s play. If you feel like B.Jennings and J.Smith get shafted in the grades fine, but “an empty suit when the game is on the line” is just an idiotic statement regarding Drummond’s play. You ppl forget he barely got playing time last year and is still learning the defensive end of the court. Be patient (Drummond is still by any legit measures the best/most productive player on the team)

  • Dec 19, 201312:09 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Here’s the question whether Drummond deserves an A or not…out if the 8 offensive rebounds how many got converted into points? 

    • Dec 19, 20133:57 pm
      by hoophabit

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      I really have to disagree with the assertion that ORB conversion tells the story regarding AD’s grade.  Maybe this particular game the payoff for the ORBs wasn’t as high as some, but so what?  The point is the kid gave us 14 points on a good %, and 16 boards.  That’s an A, unless we’re playing the “our expectations for AD are so high that nothing short of 20 & 20 deserves an A” game.  His defensive presence influences the game when he walks onto the floor.  Sullinger was having his way around the hoop when AD wasn’t in, but of course we have people mad at AD because Sullinger hit a 3 pointer.

  • Dec 19, 201312:15 pm
    by MoATL

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    Good overall performance. We would’ve lost by 30 if coached by Frank. You gotta love that Jennings has the dog in him to take the big shots along with Smith. For all the haters, wouldn’t you rather have someone that has the heart and ability to put the team on their back when it gets crunch time. Thats one thing we lacked in years past. I dont see nobody complaining about Chauncey taking wild shots early in shot clock. 

  • Dec 19, 201312:18 pm
    by MoATL

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    One thing i noticed off the rip, Mo Cheeks has command of this team. I even like the early tech he got. I dont think Frank or Kuester had techs while coaching the pistons. U gotta show your players you have their back. Also when they have a timeout, every player is nodding as he speaks. Shows the respect they have for him. Attentive. 

  • Dec 19, 20131:30 pm
    by Moonchild

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    When KCP starts to knock down his outside shot consistently and with Jennings maturity, people will be forgetting about drafting Burke….KCP is already one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, as a rookie, that’s kinda unheard of….And if you review the jump he had from his freshman season to his sophomore year, i think the same will occur with his offensive game in the NBA…..

    • Dec 19, 201311:13 pm
      by Lorenzo

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      I don’t know about one of the “best” right now… he is a solid defender but the kid really needs to work on his strength; he gets pushed around/out muscled quite a bit by some of the more physical perimeter players in the association. He’ll come around though, if he develops as expected, and can become a Tony Allen, perhaps even Afflalo like weapon in the league. 

  • Dec 19, 20131:35 pm
    by Jacob

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    Henry/Young: Playoff-caliber teams like Washington, Detroit and Minnesota that are in need of additional scoring and 3-point shooting off the bench could become suitors for either of these two guards.
    This was in insider on Espn as possible trade pieces for LA.

  • Dec 19, 20132:02 pm
    by Otis

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    I just skip over the Smith/Drummond grades/comments now. I know no matter how either play, Smith is going to get criticized 100x over, and Dre will get called the best player in the history of sports. LOL

    • Dec 19, 20132:22 pm
      by Otis

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      ^Clearly not me. Can someone please check this asshole’s IP address and ban it?

      • Dec 19, 20134:04 pm
        by Brandon Knight

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        I think it is time to change your name OTIS lol.

        • Dec 19, 20134:42 pm
          by Otis

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          The terrorists have truly won.

          • Dec 19, 20134:46 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            If only the height of terrorism was copying commenters’ handles on blogs.

          • Dec 19, 201311:57 pm
            by Jerrific

            Isn’t it?
             

  • Dec 19, 20132:21 pm
    by Otis

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    Do we have to dignify Tim’s idea that Drummond should play defensive small forward? I mean, if we have to, then by all means… but do we have to?

    • Dec 19, 20134:00 pm
      by hoophabit

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      It’s a point of view that’s open to discussion.  I’m not sure that it has to be “dignified.”  However, since you mention it in your comment, aren’t you doing just that?

      • Dec 19, 20134:46 pm
        by Otis

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        If it wasn’t being discussed in the recap I wouldn’t mention it in the first place, but it’s one of the worst ideas I’ve ever heard. I don’t know how to request that we not be subjected to this terrible idea without acknowledging its existence. :(

  • Dec 19, 20135:22 pm
    by jacob

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    Kobe is out for 6 weeks maybe la will start trading pieces away.

  • Dec 19, 20136:54 pm
    by OOtis

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    Give me Nick Young to pair up with Monroe and Drummond!  You think Smith’s and Jennings’ shot charts look bad, wait ’til Swaggy P starts chucking it up!

  • Dec 19, 20137:28 pm
    by jg22

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    There’s Otis’ everywhere

  • Dec 20, 20138:29 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    I was bored and read about 90% of the comments about Drummond defense….
    1) Drummond is only a 2nd player, in most pick and roll defense its the BIG that must recognize whats going on first…communicating…he is watching and his eyes are active but he is not communicating verbally
    2)Greg Monroe, no matter how hard he tries, no matter how much he hustles, he is the weak link in our defense. So Drummond have to think too much, and he often out of position trying to compensate for Monroe weaknesses
    3) Meaningless fouls, he gets too many early ticky tack fouls, reaching in or swiping at the balll. So then for the rest of the game, he has to play careful, and he’s trying to take angles defensively more so to discourage, rather than being physical
    4.) …Im not overly concerned with shot blocking, most shot block leaders are excellent weakside help defenders, With so many teams looking to exploit Greg, Drummond might not get as many block, but it does not mean his defense is solid.
    5) He is only 20, and has yet to realize he can be a defensive force

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