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Asking Brandon Jennings to carry you to victory is asking for a loss

Detroit Pistons 106 Final
Recap | Box Score
111 New Orleans Pelicans
Greg Monroe, PF 42 MIN | 13-22 FG | 2-7 FT | 10 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 28 PTS | +6

Monroe worked really hard on offense. Generating 18 shots in the restricted area — he made 12, converting 6.8 percentage points better than league average — is not easy, but Monroe kept forcing his way into that high-efficiency area both with and without the ball. That outweighed defensive laziness, though his defense and free-throw shooting drop his grade.

Josh Smith, SF 32 MIN | 5-15 FG | 0-2 FT | 5 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 2 BLK | 1 TO | 11 PTS | -8

Smith made a few big shots, but that doesn’t negate an overall underwhelming shooting night. Smith took too many jumpers, of course, but he also shot just 4-for-9 in the paint. He often didn’t get all the way to the rim, settling for hook shots a little further out in the paint. Smith had a couple shots blocked, and that might have spooked him. If that were the case, he can’t let that happen next time. Although his hook looks nice when he makes it, Smith is capable of getting all the way to the rim more often, and his layups are much more effective than his hooks. His defense doesn’t save him this time.

Andre Drummond, C 35 MIN | 5-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 11 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 10 PTS | -13

Drummond is so good, he can have a quiet double-double. He didn’t make enough noise defensively, and that hurt the Pistons. They need more from him on that end, but games like this show why they can’t keep him off the floor.

Brandon Jennings, PG 46 MIN | 10-23 FG | 1-2 FT | 5 REB | 4 AST | 6 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 25 PTS | -2

Jennings was 6-for-8, including 4-of-5 on 3-pointers, into the third quarter. After that, he went 4-for-15 and 0-for-5 on 3-pointers. That’s the problem with Jennings: He’s rarely as hot as he thinks he is. Even though the Pistons had team-wide issues keeping guards from penetrating on the pick-and-roll, Jennings did a particularly horrendous job of staying in front of Jrue Holiday. At least he adjusted by gambling more, and he gambled effectively, even poking the ball loose a couple times after his man blew by him. Also consider that a few of Jennings’ late misses came with the clock forcing his hand, and overall, this was a very strong performance.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG 25 MIN | 1-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -8

Caldwell-Pope’s defense was good enough to create his only made shot, a layup after a steal, but his effectiveness on the defensive end fell well short of great. His effort was there, but the Pelicans’ screens and ball movement had him lost at times — though it’s quite possible his teammates did a poor job of communicating on those plays. Within the offense, he took a couple comfortable shots and a couple uncomfortable shots and missed all four.

Josh Harrellson, PF 12 MIN | 0-1 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | 0

Harrellson was all over the place, making the little deflections that don’t show up in the box score. He was the Pistons’ best defensive big man, but he was also a non-entity offensively. That’s better than being an offensive negative, but it would help if he didn’t disappear on that end.

Jonas Jerebko, PF 3 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | +1

Small sample, but the Pelicans killed the Pistons on the glass while Jerebko got his lone run in the second quarter, and Jerebko was at least somewhat at fault, even though he grabbed one rebound with a New Orleans player on his back. Jerebko never had a chance to do anything offensively. This was was nearly an incomplete.

Kyle Singler, SF 29 MIN | 1-5 FG | 6-8 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 3 BLK | 2 TO | 8 PTS | -7

Singler cut very well, and his teammates found him, often leading to New Orleans fouls. Singler also looked really, really good as a rim protector. His three blocks were no cheapies.

Peyton Siva, PG 7 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -3

Siva defended better than any other Pistons guard, but his defense was not overly impressive. It probably didn’t just as many minutes as he got, considering the offense remains very poor when he’s running it.

Rodney Stuckey, SG 33 MIN | 7-16 FG | 6-6 FT | 4 REB | 4 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 20 PTS | +9

Stuckey just looks so confident with the ball in his hands. His range beyond 13 feet or so is shaky, but he gets it done inside that with a variety of moves — shots and passes.

Maurice Cheeks

The Pistons’ defense was a mess. Confusion on pick-and-rolls, rotation issues when the Pelicans moved the ball, losing track of Ryan Anderson, getting outrun even in non-obvious transition opportunities. I’m not sure how much of that to pin on Cheeks, but he likely deserves at least some of the blame. On the plus side, Cheeks allocated minutes in line with production.

70 Comments

  • Dec 12, 20138:01 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    I cant blame  jenning for shooting when all of your perimeter players are missing their open looks …. and none can create their own offense
    Take away jennings 4-10 for 3′s the Pistons were 1-11 for 3′s…the only other Person to make a 3 was Josh Smith… Singler,Pope,Stuckey 0-8 ….
    Greg was great offensively he was dominate at times, Monty williams the who time is probably saying to himself “as long as he is in the game, we will not have a problem scoring the call”
    the biggest question was can Greg defend the stretch 4 and its clear that he can not…Ryan Anderson isn’t even a athletic stretch but Greg continuted to lose him, even early in the game Anderson had great looks but he was missing.
    We do not need to trade Greg, but he should come off the bench…
     

    • Dec 12, 20139:07 am
      by TheBigS

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      I agree that bringing Greg off the bench would be great, but if we can trade him for a better wing shooter/defender the Pistons should really consider he offer. Smoove is a better poat defender and he can score some from he post as well. I really think the T. Young + Turner + Allen for Moose + Singlet is a great trade fo. Both teams. We get better wings an a better shooter and they get another post threat to pair with Noel and Hawes

      • Dec 12, 20139:16 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        im not seeing this trade scenario anywhere but here…
        however, I have always liked Evan Turner …. he is a less athletic Andre Iguodala, but he does all of the right things…he’s a guy that can other players around him better with his passing…
        If Young accepts that 6th man role….he gives our bench a boost well

      • Dec 12, 201310:13 am
        by Huddy

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        The problem is that the 76ers  give up their two best players for a rental on an impending free agent while Hawed is playing amazing for them and they have  Noel on the way in next year.  There is nothing wrong with a Noel/Hawes/Young line up and really they probably get worse in the long run. By acquiring Monroe because Hawes/Monroe/Noel would have a very tough time keeping up with stretch fours…Young gives them a lot more versatility. 

      • Dec 12, 20131:03 pm
        by oats

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        Detroit desperately needs someone who can knock down shots and defend on the perimeter. Turner does neither of those things. He’s basically like a taller version of Stuckey, but with more scoring and more turnovers. He has real value to a team that needs someone to come in and create offense for himself, but that’s not Detroit’s biggest need. They really don’t need yet another player who takes a ton of shots but has very limited range. Yet Turner is putting up 20 points a game, so he’s about to get a big pay day from someone. I don’t know how Detroit could justify doing that, but if they don’t do it they would have moved Monroe pretty much straight up for Thad Young.
         
        As for Young, I actually like him. He’s a pretty solid undersized PF. It would be nice having a big man in the rotation that can hit a jump shot. Still, he’s not as good of a player as Monroe. That jump shot does mean something else though. If Detroit did that trade then they would likely be better off starting Smith and Young than starting Turner. The problem is that means that Smith would likely still be playing SF. Oh, and Turner coming off the bench would then make Stuckey completely superfluous. The little bit of extra spacing that Young creates might help some, but dumping Monroe without firmly placing Smith into the post seems to defeat the purpose of trading Monroe to me.

      • Dec 12, 201310:58 pm
        by Max

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        I’m not sure if I’d rather get Turner and Young for Monroe or a 2nd round pick.  Either way, you’re giving Monroe away and I wouldn’t want the Pistons to resign Turner or Young in the off season or sign them as free agents.   
        This is the biggest reason why I’m not totally on board the trade Monroe train.   It just seems like the Pistons aren’t even going to get a quarter on the dollar for him.  

    • Dec 12, 20131:32 pm
      by jamesjones_det

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      My only counter is that with the way Harrellson is playing it almost makes Moose expendable.  Of course you can never have to many bigs but he certainly makes it easier to argue Moose or Smith should be moved to help pickup a wing player.

  • Dec 12, 20139:04 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    at best Monroe end up being another Al Jefferson , bigs that put of very,very good stats always a all-star but not really kind of player, because they dont change the game defensively.
    Al jefferson has only LED his team to the play-offs once…. match his stats to Monroe and what Monroe stats project to be they are the same …
    Lets me honest…when we got monroe he end up being much better, than any of us thought he’d be… we didnt think we was getting a guy with 20-10 potential… the problem is we KNEW we were getting a guy will limited defensive skills (other than quick hands) …. but we rallied around him and his flaws…because we had nothing else to eally around, we were bad and there was no expectations
    Now… we have a decent team overall… and we can no longer rally around his flaws, nor assume that one day he is just going to develop a 15-17 foot jumper….
    Right the Pistons are at a cross-road for this franchise…either decide to trade or keep Monroe will impact the next 3-5 years of Pistons basketball…
    So i understand not pulling the trigger for the first deal that offered…

    • Dec 12, 20139:54 am
      by MIKEYDE248

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      I don’t see why everyone keeps pushing the 15-17 foot jumper on Monroe.  If his inside game is working, like it was yesterday, he really almost doesn’t need one.  Sure it would be a plus.

      Look at Smith, he takes that shot way too much and still isn’t any good at it and has been playing much longer than Monroe.  Every team the Pistons play gives him that shot as often as he is willing to take it.
      For Monroe being the slowest guy on the team, he was the first one down the court on a couple of break aways too.

      • Dec 12, 201310:09 am
        by @GPMasters

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        Heh, one of the “breakaways” Monroe was SO slow, that he hadn’t even made it back on defense. He was still at the other end for the easy dunk…

      • Dec 12, 20136:24 pm
        by Otis

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        Because you’ll never accomplish anything with two big lugs at the power positions who can’t score outside of five feet. There’s not enough room for either big to operate, your opponent’s help defense is always very close by, no lanes for your guards to penetrate. What boggles my mind is that you think these things are inconsequential.

    • Dec 12, 20131:31 pm
      by oats

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      Al Jefferson’s career is defined by injuries, both for him and his teammates. It’s hard to lead a team to the playoffs when your not playing. It’s even harder when your teammates are also hurt a lot. He’s only gotten to 70 games played 5 times in his career. The first time was his rookie season when he was a pretty limited player who only was getting 15 minutes a game, so you are right not to give him credit for that year. He then played all 82 games in the year after he was sent to Minnesota for KG. You know who the best players on that team other than him were. Take your pick from Rashad McCants, Randy Foye, Sebastian Talfoy, and Ryan Gomes. I think I’d put them in that order for that season. That team was really bad. The next time he had Kevin Love to help out his playoff run, yet Love missed 22 games to injury. The next best player was probably Johnny Flynn. Oh, and they were in the Western Conference where a 50 win Thunder team was the 8 seed.
       
      He then played all 82 games his first year in Utah. Deron Williams missed 29 games and Kirilenko missed 18 games. Jut not a lot of talent left when those guys were down. He also played in 61 of 66 games in the strike shortened year, which is why he led them to the playoffs. He then played all 82 games last year, but his starting point guard missed 36 games and they barely missed the playoffs. Having a winning record on a team starting Jamaal Tinsley for 32 games in 2013 is awfully impressive, even if they did miss the playoffs.
       
      I think this is where I point out that Monroe is an iron man, having missed all of 3 games so far in his career.
       

      • Dec 12, 20133:50 pm
        by oats

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        That was supposed to be Sebastian Telfair on that Minnesota team. Don’t know how I got that bad of a typo in there. I also forgot to mention that Telfair missed 22 games and Foye missed 43 that season. Yeah, that team was bad and had injury problems.

        • Dec 12, 201310:46 pm
          by Max

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          Al Jefferson gets a really bad rap.  Of all the very good players in league history, he has one of the worst combinations of teammates ever and even when he played with a good player or two, his teams were totally imbalanced with glaring holes.   Mitch Richmond had the rawest deal ever in terms of teammates but Jefferson has got to be the percent or two of good players with career long bad teammates so far.  
          And I can only hope Monroe becomes Al Jefferson.  Last I checked he averages good shot blocking numbers every year and can actually average 20 points which I’d guess Monroe will never do.  

  • Dec 12, 201310:10 am
    by Patti #1

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    “Asking Jennings to carry you to victory is asking for a loss.”  Harsh.
     
    Pistons youngest team in NBA and still figuring things out on an OT back to back away game.  That win was so close that we could taste it…just came up short of a feast.
    Saw moments of improved defense over MN game, just lack of consistency that is needed.  It’s a work in progress and watching this team is a vast improvement over 2012-13 Pistons.
    Look forward to the next game…and that’s a good thing.
     
     
     

    • Dec 12, 201310:14 am
      by @GPMasters

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      Youngest team in the NBA? Is that correct?
      I assume it is the average age of the starting 5 that you are using for that stat? Interesting if true.

      • Dec 12, 201310:45 am
        by Patti #1

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        Sorry, yes it is the starting five.

      • Dec 12, 20131:37 pm
        by jamesjones_det

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        They might be the youngest starting 5 but definitely not the youngest team.  I think Houston is the youngest team at the moment.

      • Dec 12, 20132:02 pm
        by oats

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        A 28 year old Smith is the old guy in the lineup. Jennings is 24, Monroe is 23, KCP is 20, and Drummond is 20. League wide there are only players at 20 years old that have started at least half the season, and 2 of those 6 are in Detroit. The average age of a Detroit starter is 23.
         
        The overall roster is the 7th youngest team, with youngest being Cleveland and Philly. The average player for those teams is 23.8 years old. Evan Turner, Spencer Hawes, and Thad Young are the old guys in Philly at 25.

    • Dec 12, 20136:27 pm
      by Otis

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      Ooh just love the senseless, irrational enthusiasm and endless excuses. Rah rah go team go! LOL Who needs wins anyways?

  • Dec 12, 201310:21 am
    by Huddy

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    There’s a lot to be said for the benefits of moving Monroe for a good wing but the most disappointing thing about the team is that Smith continues to make it look like even if a good trade presents itself for Monroe he will bring this team down until he himself is moved.  Anyone who thinks trading Monroe for a SF means Smith is going to start dominating the post on offense is fooling themselves.  Smith will play PF like he did in ATL and continuing throwing up jumpers except the Pistons won’t have a Horford with a post game to balance the offense at all.  Smith thinks he is as hot after 8 misses as Jennings does after 5 makes.

    • Dec 12, 20131:31 pm
      by T CAsey

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      This is my biggest problem with trading Moose. We’ve still got 2 inefficient scorers who will take the majority of the shots. So unless you bring back a player who can not only score efficiently enough to further offset the poor shooting from Smith and Jennings, who’s been better lately but his career numbers say not to expect it to continue, but also command the ball enough for the offense to run through them, then we’re right back where we started if not in a worse situation. You will not win many games with you’re two primary shot takers/playmakers are shooting around 40%. 

      • Dec 12, 20136:29 pm
        by Otis

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        Well you sure as shit ain’t winning with Moose, so may as well trade him for a #1 scoring option on the wing and hope that Smith plays more like a PF when he’s our primary PF.

        • Dec 12, 201310:50 pm
          by Max

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          WOW.  Name me the scoring wing the Pistons are going to acquire for Monroe that will displace Jennings, Smith and Drummond as the # scoring option.  I’ve been looking around the league and have been feeling like the Pistons will be lucky to trade Monroe for any player that would be better than the 4th scoring option post trade.  

        • Dec 13, 20133:43 am
          by T Casey

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          @Otis
          As Max said, where would that efficient and dominant wing player come from? There are plenty of wing players that put up 20 or so points per game around the league, but the majority of them are only moderately efficient/slightly inefficient at best and could hardly be considered winning players.
          And, even then, the point could be made that you aren’t winning with Smith and Jennings on your team as well. Especially if they’re so inefficient that you find yourself admittedly looking for another more dominant player to offset their inefficient play. So we might as well ship them all, right?

          • Dec 13, 201312:43 pm
            by T Casey

            Thats actually a bad question at the end. I’d wager Jennings and maybe Smith both will need to be moved at some point. 

    • Dec 12, 20132:00 pm
      by T CAsey

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      Obviously some kind of move needs to be made, but unless we bring back someone who’s efficient enough to offset Smith and Jennings poor shooting we’re going to be right back where we started this season, if not in a worse situation.
       
      Plus, I’m always weary of trades where quality coaching is absent. Unless you’re building a supremely talented squad that’s capable of piling up tons of wins even without a great coach, you’re likely going to continue to struggle if the coach can’t come up with a winning gameplan for his squad.

    • Dec 12, 20138:06 pm
      by jg22

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      Huddy, 
       
      Smith at PF in Atlanta avg 1.4 3PA per game. In Detroit at SF he’s avg 4.5. So you can’t say he will continue to shoot jumpshots at PF like he did in Atlanta, because he shot significantly less.
       
      Also, not having a “Horford” inside here might actually be a good thing, as he would be counted on to be that inside presence himself. He would no longer have the luxury of sitting on the perimeter shooting jumpshots, while another teammate does all the hard work inside.
       
      I don’t think he would dominate inside, but it would certainly make the team as a whole more balanced on both ends, if we had all our guys playing their natural positions.

      • Dec 13, 20139:46 am
        by Huddy

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        If you look at just his attempts (including the one year he actually did focus on efficient shots) you may be fooled into believing he used to avoid the outside, but if you actually watched him play or listen to former fans and sports writers he has ALWAYS taken too many outside shots.  If you just watch Detroit play you can hear every announcer talk about his historic tendency to take bad shots (it is literally built into the banter between announcers on NBA 2k14…he is so well known for taking bad shots that one of the three things about Detroit that 2K decided to highlight during in game commentating was that Smith has long been known for taking poor shots).  In Detroit he is cutting down on the long twos (just inside the arc) and stepping out, which makes it look like he is all of the sudden taking more outside shots when he is not.  Smith is also playing A LOT of his minutes at PF currently and still shooting outside.
         
        As a professional athlete Smith should be “counted on” to make good decisions in general…not just when the line up is catered specifically to making it as obvious as possible what shots he should take.  He is going to take some outside shots, but he continually takes early 3s especially towards the end of games as if he thinks he is going to be the hero every night. 

      • Dec 13, 20139:51 am
        by Huddy

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        Also, the one year where Josh didn’t shoot threes, was the most efficient, and where he took Atlanta the farthest….Al Horford’s scoring went up…not down…Josh’s shooting is not an environmental issue it is purely poor decision making.

  • Dec 12, 201311:06 am
    by Ron Swanson 2.0

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    Brodies, Monroe had nice stats and all, but his missed free throws really killed us. And yes, Drummond needs to cause more havoc on defense.

  • Dec 12, 201311:09 am
    by Madison Geiger

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    Althoug Anderson had a decent game, Harrellson is still easily the best white player in the league. Geiger out.

    • Dec 12, 201311:20 am
      by MIKEYDE248

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      Yeah, I’d take him over Kevin Love any day too.

      • Dec 12, 201312:02 pm
        by Tim Thielke

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        And Nowitzki, Griffin, both Gasols, Parker, and Brook Lopez.

        • Dec 12, 20131:54 pm
          by Madison Geiger

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          Are Griffin and Parker really white?

        • Dec 12, 20132:57 pm
          by hirobeats

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          So,,, are we gonna just ignore the fact that Blake Griffin and Tony Parker are both half black? (Sure, I’m a black guy)

          • Dec 12, 20134:06 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            When one parent is black and one is white and the kid looks black, they’re just referred to as black, not half-black or half-white.

            Look race is a social construct anyway, and they’re free to identify however they want, and you’re free to refer to them as half-black (although, it is quite likely that their black parents have white ancestors if you go back several generations and it is guaranteed that their white parents have black ancestors if you go back really far). But if you run into either of them on the street and you don’t know them or their background, you’d think they were white, or at least I would.

            If that’s not good enough for you, then let’s all look really far back our ancestries and conclude that everyone is black.

        • Dec 12, 20136:33 pm
          by hirobeats

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          @Tim, you know, I didn’t think I was going to like you. But you’re response to my tricky/overly race conscious rebuttal was well played, and I respect. =D

    • Dec 12, 201311:39 am
      by @GPMasters

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      Jorts? Is that you bro?

    • Dec 12, 201312:06 pm
      by TheBigS

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      Sorry Jorts. I love you but players like Parker, Dirk, and even Asik are better than Jorts

      • Dec 12, 20131:51 pm
        by Madison Gieger

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        You guys are out of line. Put your money where your mouth is

        • Dec 12, 20131:53 pm
          by Madison Geiger

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          This guy is an impostor, he spelled Geiger like “Gieger”. But I was just kidding about Jorts, although I do love him

  • Dec 12, 20131:27 pm
    by Matt

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    I love watching this team, and I love the addition of Brandon Jennings.  With all his faults, you can’t deny he has the “x-factor.”  However, from watching the game last night we have some….
    Major Issues:
    1) Jennings is so left hand dominant, his defender overplays him to the point where he can’t run the pick and roll with Drummond from the right spot on the floor.
    2) When Jennings gets run off a screen on defense, it absorbs him, and the PG gets all the way to the hoop.  He can’t just give up trying to stop penetration so easily.
    3) Josh Smith is infinitely better catching the ball on the block, as evidenced with a few of his running hooks last night.  Both him and Greg, being left handers who want to play best with their backs to the basket, are most efficient from the same block.  Monroe seems a more competent passer from the elbow.  Smith’s inefficiency from the perimeter may increasingly take Greg off the low block and put him on the elbow, which would work better in Moose’s 17 footer was automatic.
    4) Rodney Stuckey in the fourth quarter.  We don’t make the defense shift enough throughout the game, but it’s really obvious when Stuckey goes in to predictable locomotive drive mode at the end of games.  
    Our post players can pass well, but it doesn’t come at the speed that you find with four guys zipping the ball around the perimeter (like in San Antonioa or Miami).
    They have to find a way to get ball reversal so the offense isn’t such a mess during crunch time.  Many are guilty (perhaps because of the makeup of such a large lineup, even), but Stuckey the most, in my opinion.

  • Dec 12, 20131:37 pm
    by Brigs

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    look everyone can come up with all the trade scenarios they want myself included but I wouldn’t look for one right up until the deadline. Even then I don’t expect joe d to pull the trigger on one involving monroe

    • Dec 12, 20132:01 pm
      by MIKEYDE248

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      I totally agree with all the trade talk I see on this site.  I usually just blow past it.  Most of the time it’s something stupid, like CV & Stuckey for Lebron James…maybe we throw in Jerebko too.  I don’t see the Pistons giving up on someone as young as Monroe, with his skills he brings to the game.  To get equal value from him, most teams wouldn’t want to give up their own player, unless the player was asking to be traded in the first place.  In most cases, if a player was asking to be traded, why would they want to be traded to Detroit?

      • Dec 12, 20133:01 pm
        by Brigs

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        I’m on the bandwagon of having him traded I just think it will be thru a sign and trade in the off season rather then at the deadline

        • Dec 12, 20133:58 pm
          by oats

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          I actually think that’s the most likely scenario too. There are just going to be a lot more trade options in the offseason when teams have more room to work with, and teams won’t be wondering about their ability to retain him. I think I might prefer that the team does it that way anyhow. Any trade done now has to be done with the goal of making the playoffs this season. Come this summer the team will have more flexibility to make a move geared around improving the team’s long term success because the GM’s job will be a bit more secure.

          • Dec 12, 20134:28 pm
            by Brigs

            also don’t forget barring some horrible injuries this team is Goin to make the playoffs so joe d isn’t gonna risk that by making a trade

  • Dec 12, 20131:52 pm
    by Biggy Smalls

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    Yall be trippin. Dumars is the reason we be haved Drummond

    • Dec 12, 20132:08 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      No Chad ford other scouts poor evaluation of Drummond is why we gave him….i give Joe credit for scheduling the late workout with Drummond the night before the draft… but he was gonna draft Henson over guys like Terrance Jones, Jared sullinger, Jeremy Lamb 

    • Dec 12, 20132:28 pm
      by oats

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      @ Biggy. Drummond had no business slipping to 9 in that draft. If you are giving him credit, you have to assume the plan was to be bad for a few years but not bad enough to get a really high pick, then have 8 guys go ahead of one of the 3 best players in the draft so the team can land Drummond. That’s a bad plan.
       
      @ Frank. Henson is good. 11.5 points, 7.4 rebounds, and 2.1 blocks in 27 minutes. All of those guys are pretty much even as players. The one I like the least is Sullinger since he missed 27 games last year, and it was injury concerns that caused his draft stock to drop. I would rather have Jones and his jumper than Henson and his shot blocking, but it’s really close. Lamb is the one that makes the most sense for Detroit now thanks to Drummond and Smith, but he’s also the least accomplished of the guys on the court due to the difficulty of getting PT in OKC. Still, I’m not convinced that any order of those guys is actually wrong, they are basically all playing equally well.

      • Dec 12, 20132:30 pm
        by oats

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        That was supposed to be 8 guys before one of the 3 best players in that draft. I’d place Drummond second after Davis, but an argument can still be made for Lillard.

    • Dec 12, 20134:09 pm
      by Tim Thielke

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      You’re trippin’. Colangelo is the reason the Pistons have Drummond.

      • Dec 12, 20134:32 pm
        by Brigs

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        Hey now u gotta give joe d some credit for taking the chance on him. Hindsight is 20/20, and at the time Drummond was considered a potential kwame brown type bust. Joe d did his homework got lucky but he also coulda been one of the suckers who passed on him too and he didn’t 

        • Dec 12, 20134:44 pm
          by Tim Thielke

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          Passed on Drummond for whom? I do actually give an iota of Dumars credit for not messing up, but that’s all. It was an incredibly obvious choice. My general rule of thumb is that if I could do as well as Dumars, he doesn’t deserve much credit.

          • Dec 12, 20135:20 pm
            by @GPMasters

            Joe passed on Paul George for Greg Monroe
             
            ;-)  <—- safety wink

          • Dec 12, 20136:10 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            That’s true. And Monroe was the smartest pick even though, as it turns out, George would have been better.

            If Dumars had picked George, I would have repeatedly blasted him for it and by now, assuming their career arcs had not changed based on where they developed, I would have offered a mea culpa.

        • Dec 12, 20136:36 pm
          by Otis

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          You sure don’t gotta give Dumars credit for Drummond or Moose. Nobody else was even in the conversation, and if you think someone else was, then come out and say who so everyone can see how stupid you are. Please note that before Moose Joe drafted Daye, skipping over a laundry list of exciting players. Then before Drummond Joe drafted Brandon Knight. It’s time to stop pretending the man has things figured out. When the pick is a total slam dunk, he makes it. BFD. His drafts should be judged on when there’s an actual decision to be made.

          • Dec 12, 20136:51 pm
            by jg22

            Thats BS man. You can’t just criticize a GM for his drafting when he gets picks wrong, and then not give him equal credit when getting picks right.
             
            By your logic, how do you ever evaluate GM’s drafting?
             
            It sounds like its either they get it wrong and you trash them, or they get it right and you just ignore it. That’s not an evaluation, that’s just an agenda against a GM.
             
             

          • Dec 12, 20136:58 pm
            by Tim Thielke

            It’s called giving him credit for not messing up. Some GMs do mess up slam dunks (see: Epke Udoh, Terrence Ross). If you replace Dumars, you may get such a GM. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t can Dumars, but it’s a small point in his favor.

            Also, what do you mean by slam dunk? Neither Monroe nor Drummond was a sure thing. But both were easily the best choice at that point. If that’s what makes a slam dunk, then I’d argue that Dumars did in fact mess one up named Burke.

  • Dec 12, 20136:47 pm
    by jg22

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    There’s finally been an explanation given from Cheeks as to why he refuses to switch better defenders onto guys lighting us up. Case in point, not switching Smith onto Love in Tuesdays game, and not switching KCP onto Holiday last night. After both Monroe and Jennings were failing to get it done.
     
    According to an article by Blinebury on nba.com, Cheeks is essentially doing it to teach them a lesson, instead of rewarding them with the night off on defense, allowing someone else do their job for them.
     
    Now that I now this, I can kind of get behind Cheeks a little more, as I do somewhat agree with his strategy here. Before I thought he wasn’t disciplining players enough because he never benches them for playing bad D, but he in fact has been disciplining them another way, by making them suffer on the court until they are embaressed enough to try harder.
     
    In some ways, I can see the longterm potential for positive gains by doing this, if it ultimately makes the player better. However the downside to this strategy is that it can cost the TEAM games in the process, that could otherwise have been wins had he just switched a better defender onto some of these guys instead. It also can ruin a players confidence instead of actually helping them become better, if you just leave them out there on an island to get repeatedly abused night after night.
     
    The reason I really don’t like this strategy though is because he’s not just leaving them on an island to succeed or fail. He’s making them stay in the game guarding the guy who is abusing them, but then still sends help, which just really helps no one. It doesn’t help the individual learn, if he’s getting help all game anyways, and it doesn’t help the team because all that extra help is the cause of all these defensive breakdowns everywhere.
     
    I’m glad to finally know the reasoning behind Cheeks’ refusals to switch defensive assignments, but I still think the best course of action is to just put the better defender on the better offensive player to begin with, and put the team winning above a player learning a lesson at the expense of the team. Then there wouldn’t be as much help needed, and less breakdowns everywhere, as well as better defense on the ball. Monroe and Jennings will have to get better defensively in practice from now on. At 10-13 they can’t afford to give away games just to teach them a lesson, when so far it doesn’t seem to be making them better, or the team.
     
     

  • Dec 12, 20136:55 pm
    by gmehl

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    Here’s an interesting trade proposal from the Celtics community on what they’d give up for Monroe
    http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/12/6/5181304/nba-trade-rumor-speculation-could-the-celtics-make-a-move-for-greg-monroe
    Jeff Green and a 1st rounder would be an ok compensation. Green would slide into SF and push Smith up to PF. The 1st rounder could then be used to either shore up the SF or SG spot depending on where it falls. Then see if we can flip Stuckey for a late 1st rounder.

    • Dec 12, 20137:38 pm
      by jg22

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      I’d do that deal

      • Dec 12, 20138:50 pm
        by gmehl

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        Yeah but I don’t think Danny Ainge would… but then again with him you never know. They could then buid around Rondo and Monroe. Moving forward they could roll with a starting lineup of Rondo, Bradley, Wallace, Monroe, Olynyk. I think they have a stock pile of 1st rounders so depending on if they tank late this season they might be able to draft a SF like Rodney Hood or Jerami Grant. If they suck really bad I guess they could even get Wiggins or parker which is unlikely but you never know. Anyways the key is we would be getting rid of Monroe for something close to his net worth.

    • Dec 12, 201311:42 pm
      by Max

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      Jeff Green and a pick is a pathetic offer for Monroe and if that’s the best offer the Pistons get: they should just sit tight and wait for a better one.  Sooner or later, some team will be in a weird position with a better player than Jeff Green and then the Pistons can swoop in.  
      Otis likes to talk about five years plus of pain and suffering.  Some have pointed out that the Pistons got something for their suffering.  If they trade Monroe for garbage then they really will have suffered for nothing.  

      • Dec 13, 201312:28 am
        by Jacob

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        How is Jeff Green garbage? Plus a 1st rounder which we don’t have?

        • Dec 13, 20132:43 am
          by Max

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          You’re right.  Just don’t like the idea of trading Monroe for a player worth so much less and as for the pick I was assuming it’s not their pick.  Green and a guaranteed top ten pick would be something.   They have other teams pick though, right?  And as of now, they could even make the playoffs.  I know everyone says this will be such a great draft and what not but I’m sure not all the picks will be good and I’d still want a very high draft with Green to trade Monroe.   
          Anyway, you’re right.  I just think Green would be very disappointing.  He’s not exactly what the team needs and he’ll look worse every year from now till they retire than Monroe and it will just get worse as Monroe gets better.   So the outcome of the trade will require the Pistons to make a draft pick for the deal to be good at all and that could take years.   I’d much rather see the Pistons either go for a better player or get multiple players than a player who’s not as good and a middling pick.    

          • Dec 13, 20132:44 am
            by Max

            Left out great.  It will require them to make a great draft pick.

  • Dec 13, 20134:31 am
    by @GPMasters

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    BOSTON’S OWED FIRST-ROUND PICKS
    2014: Nets (potential Hawks swap)
    2015: Clippers
    2016: Nets
    2018: Nets

    Note: The Celtics have the ability to swap spots with the Nets in 2017.

  • Dec 13, 20135:59 am
    by KJ

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    Lol Tim, Parker and griffin both look like light skin black guys. also if you have one African American parent you are considered black in America. For tony Parker it is different. French people just identify with being French

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