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PistonPowered Mailbag: Knee-jerk reactions might be totally appropriate

Submit questions for the weekly PistonPowered Mailbag to  patrickhayes13(at)gmail(dot)com or on Twitter @patrick_hayes.

OK, so if the Pistons don’t immediately salvage another awful early season West Coast trip, they could be exactly where they’ve been the last four seasons — desperately trying to recover from an awful start. Now, awful starts are acceptable when you’re starting Jason Maxiell or when your big offseason acquisition was half of Tracy McGrady’s remaining knee. But when you spend significant money on talent upgrades, when everyone from your team owner on down is full of bluster about making the playoffs and when you play reasonably well against good teams at home early in the season, there isn’t exactly a lot of patience to struggle with figuring out lineup combinations.

For four years, people following the Pistons have watched irrelevant coaches comically ponder lineup shakeups that replace marginal players with other marginal players as if those types of shakeups ever matter on any team. Maurice Cheeks has more talent to work with, but here we are again, with a team struggling a bit and a coach “pondering lineup changes,” whatever that means. Here’s the thing … the Pistons’ top three players — Andre Drummond, Greg Monroe and Josh Smith — are pretty formidable. Their fourth best player, Brandon Jennings, is not a bad fourth option when he’s not behaving like a first option. No amount of messing with combinations beyond those four is going to have much of an impact on the season.

Decent teams don’t typically spend a lot of time messing with their supporting players. For all of the complaining fans did (and, admittedly, I was one of them) about the lack of use of bench players not named Antonio McDyess and Lindsey Hunter during the Larry Brown/Flip Saunders days, those Pistons teams wouldn’t have been drastically improved if, say, Carlos Delfino had supplanted Maurice Evans in the rotation. NBA teams are as good as their best players. If Drummond, Monroe, Smith and Jennings figure out how to play with each other effectively, this team will be solid. If they lack cohesion or, in Smith’s and Jennings’ cases, play undisciplined or shoot too much, this team will be disappointing.

That was essentially the debate before the season started and seven games into the season, we’re no close to having an answer — there’s evidence that the season could go either way, depending on which argument you’d prefer to make. The Pistons certainly have plenty of time to figure it out, but based on the team’s rhetoric and playoff talk, it’s certainly reasonable to be impatient with uninspired play that is reminiscent of the past four years rather than a glimpse at an up-and-coming team with a bright future.

So, with that backstory out of the way, let’s get to this week’s questions.

This may just be knee jerk reaction … but I think we should consider benching Dre. He’s been great, no question, but I think it would be better for the team to split the front court minutes between him, Moose and Josh. If we simply had a 3 man rotation all of them could get 32 min and we would never see a drop off in our big men. This would also allow for more floor spacing by playing Singler, Datome, and Stuckey at the three … which in turn opens up more room for KCP at SG. Am i crazy or do you agree?– Mark

You’re not that crazy, Mark, but I think it’s impractical. I don’t disagree with you — there’s evidence supporting that the Pistons are better with two of their three bigs on the court than they are with all three sharing the court. So the obvious answer is to move one to the bench and evenly divide minutes. In theory, that would be a great solution. In practice … not so much. I doubt any of the three would say so because Smith, Drummond and Monroe are all good at giving athlete-speak, non-controversial answers to media, but I guarantee that none of the three would be pleased about not starting, even if it meant the team played better and even if it meant their minutes were not being drastically cut. Starting is hugely important to most NBA players — calling yourself a NBA starter sounds much better than simply ‘NBA player,’ ya know? So who do you pick to go to the bench? Drummond could be a choice because he’s the youngest and seems easygoing enough to take it in stride. But he’s also been their best player this season. So symbolically, do you want to bench your best player, someone who has the talent to develop into maybe the most dominant defensive player in the league? Or do you want to tell Monroe, in a contract year in which he’s trying to prove he’s worth a max deal, that you want him to come off the bench? Or how about Smith, the biggest name and most expensive free agent signing in franchise history who has been a near All-Star for years, who has reportedly had trust issues with previous coaches and how they’ve handled him and who has more playoff experience than anyone on the team other than Chauncey Billups?

I agree with you, the Pistons desperately need to find minutes for Datome and Caldwell-Pope, in particular. I also agree that their lineups have looked better offensively without the supersized lineup sharing the frontline. But I think when the team signed Smith, they committed to starting those three players for better or worse. If they solve their offensive and defensive issues, it’s not going to be by making Drummond, Smith or Monroe a sixth man unless one of the three volunteers to go to the bench Rodney Stuckey-style, and I just don’t see that happening.

Watching J.Smith and Jennings throw bricks after bricks, I fear the CEILING for this team is 2011 Hawks. Agree? FT33

I dunno … unless they traded for Al Horford, I’m not sure they can even be 2011 Hawks good yet. That Hawks team won 44 games. I think the Pistons, as sad as it sounds, would be thrilled with a 44-win season. Although the Hawks have certainly never been among the league’s elite, they have been a playoff team for six straight seasons (and should make it seven this season) with three appearances in the second round in that stretch. They had a 53-win season in there and won 61 percent of their games in the lockout-shortened 2011-12 season. I share your hope that the Pistons as a franchise have higher aspirations than simply being a team that, best case scenario, can get to the second round every year, but I’m also hesitant to say they’re even at that level yet.

Horford has long been one of the most underrated players in the league, and I don’t think the Pistons have anyone on their roster who is as good as he is yet. The good news, however, is that they have a couple of young bigs in Drummond and Monroe who are both pretty close to Horford-level now and both have significant potential that they’re still yet to tap into. I’m cautiously optimistic that a Monroe-Drummond frontcourt combination can grow into something truly dominant, and if that happens, they’ll certainly be better than those Hawks teams. But I also don’t think it’s close to a given that they’ll get to that Hawks level either.

Billups looks effective some games and just plain old others. Should the pistons consider giving him the old/often injured treatment of sitting one of the back to back games? This would keep him fresh, efficient when playing and open up more KCP time. – Travis

I have no problem admitting that there was nothing I was rooting harder for this season than season for Billups in the twilight of his career like the surprising one Ben Wallace had in his first season back with the Pistons. It’s not going to happen, though. Billups is coming off a more significant injury, he plays a position where speed and athleticism are more of a necessity and I just don’t think he’s going to help the Pistons much on the court this season.

It’s great hearing his name called in the starting lineup at the Palace, but the Pistons just flat out stand a better chance of competing with Caldwell-Pope taking those shooting guard minutes. The Pistons still need Billups’ steadying hand in the halfcourt on occasion with the erratic point guards they feature, but that role should be severely limited. So to answer your question, yes, I would be in favor of a reduced role for Billups. In fact, I think it’s vital if the team is going to progress.

With all the talk of expiring contracts next season and apparent trade rumors of Greg Monroe, is it possible/probable for the Pistons to be in a position to nab Chris Bosh next summer assuming he takes his early termination option on his deal in Miami? — Evan

Anything is certainly possible, Evan (Man … that was a total Keith Langlois go-to line, wasn’t it? Apologies Evan, let’s start over).

Bosh would be an interesting fit in Detroit’s lineup, albeit at age 30, not a long-term solution and likely super expensive. He’d still give the Pistons a frontcourt-heavy offense, but his perimeter-happiness (the merits of which may have been learned from playing with Charlie Villanueva and Andrea Bargnani in Toronto) would help spread the floor. In fact, Bosh has been adding a competent three-point shot to his arsenal over the past few seasons, shooting 8-for-16 from three so far this season. His rebounding has been progressively getting worse (again, perhaps influenced by all that time with monsieurs Villanueva and Bargnani), but that wouldn’t matter much in a lineup with Smith and Drummond crashing the boards. If Bosh’s good shooting continues, he could almost move into the small forward role on offense, move Smith down to the post more and then have them switch positions on defense. I don’t love that lineup, but I could talk myself into an aspect or two of it.

Now, could they afford to sign him outright? With their expiring deals and if they were to trade Monroe for something like future first round picks and take no long-term salary in return, then decline Billups’ team option, they could conceivably be in position to offer Bosh the max-level contract I assume he’d command. The question is, would the want to? He’s possibly a slightly better short-term fit, but he’s older, rebounds worse and, if you’re going to hand out a max contract for a player, why pick Bosh over Monroe? Monroe is still improving, has yet to hit his prime and would probably still have more trade value than Bosh even if both were at max-level salaries. I just don’t see a great incentive for Detroit to pursue Bosh at the expense of Monroe.

Now, an in-season trade could be an intriguing match. I’ve long maintained that I don’t think Monroe is likely to get traded, but if the Pistons struggle, I think his name gets discussed more and it’s possible the Pistons make a panic deal, sacrificing long-term logic to try to win in the short-term. In that case, Bosh could be a possible target. He’s a big name who would add some balance (although the lineup would still have issues) and championship experience to the lineup

I don’t think Miami is likely to explore any in-season trades for any of their big three, but after watching Dwyane Wade game deteriorate because of the physical pounding his body has taken during his career and watching Bosh slowly morph into Villanueva and Bargnani with his plummeting rebounding totals, I’m less certain of my prediction for a Heat three-peat. But I also don’t think there’s much of a chance Miami would blow up that core before they’ve had a chance at a third straight title.

Now with that disclaimer out there, if the Pistons for some reason had serious interest in Bosh and were willing to dangle Monroe … that might be fairly enticing for Miami. Monroe would command a max contract, but the Heat would replace a player who will turn 30 in March with a 23-year-old big man who is a great rebounder, great passer and has a developing post game. There is no doubt that Monroe’s skillset would add a really interesting dimension to the Miami offense, and his youth would give Miami enough of an established transitional building block to perhaps convince LeBron James to re-sign with the team.

So, what would I conclude with this whole exercise? Playing fantasy GM is always fun, but I think Bosh on the Pistons as a replacement for Monroe doesn’t make much sense. If the Pistons trade Monroe — and I still feel like that would be a major mistake under most circumstances — they better do it to acquire an impactful long-term asset, not a veteran, even a good one, who makes them marginally better in the present but sacrifices potential future success.

41 Comments

  • Nov 15, 20139:20 am
    by Dave

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    My only issue here is that I’m not sure offense has been the problem so far this season. We can’t stop anyone. This was supposed to be a team wiith our guards gambling and applying tight pressure because they had Dre/Smith behind them to block every shot and Monroe left to rebound whatever makes it near the rim. So far we have seen a bunch of steals from Jennings/Stuckey/Smith, but not much else in terms of defense. Yes, we have some ugly offensive sets and Jennings may look for his own shot too much off the high screen and roll, but by and large we’ve been scoring enough points to win games, just need to manufacture some stops.
     

    • Nov 15, 201310:48 am
      by Huddy

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      The team is 11th in PPG and 25th in Points allowed…theres definitely a defensive issue.  There are some offensive issues for sure.  They aren’t getting shots to fall from guys they need and Smith/Jennings have shown their dark sides as far as doing too much, but with the size advantage down low and the perimeter defensive options of KCP and Stuckey this team should not be struggling so much on D.  Against Memphis the team contained Gasol and Z BO and let Allen double his usual scoring on 60% shooting and kept Chauncey in 30+ minutes despite 1-7 shooting. 

      • Nov 15, 201310:50 am
        by Vic

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        And when Stuckey & KCP were winning against Memphis, the coach took them out and put in Bynum & Billups… then they lost.

  • Nov 15, 20139:51 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Love Billups!
    legend in the Detroit, far exceeding his skill level…
     
    But he should have NEVER EVER STARTED!
     
    that spot should have been KCP to lose…
     
     

  • Nov 15, 201310:24 am
    by Vic

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    Absolutely right that the talent is way too high for this team to lose this much. (Even though they’ve had the toughest schedule in the league, and played close with 3 title contenders and only got blown out by 1).
    But the biggest problem is not the 3 bigs. 
    The biggest problem is defense on the perimeter from keeping the only Shooting Guard on the roster on the bench and going with a  4 small pg rotation.
    When you have bigs scrambling on the perimeter because the guards cannot keep their man in front of them, it throws off even the best defenses. 
    1 or 2 defensive liabilities is manageable. But 3 makes you lose the game! Its not rocket science. 3 is the majority of 5. That’s why the defense sucks.
    Don’t mean to make this into a lecture but I said before preseason started that they had the talent to play 3 plus defenders for the majority of the game and 2 shooters at all times. Mo Cheeks lacks strategy and has done neither.
    Starting Lineup (defense)
    Jennings (minus)
    KCP (plus)
    Smith (plus)
    Monroe (minus)
    Drummond (plus)
    3 plus defenders in the starting lineup, and 2 shooters to space the floor for 3 dominant bigs = winning basketball.
    Then when you put backups in, just make sure there are at least 2 shooters to space the floor and enough defense to keep the other teams bench in check.
    Basketball is a game where the best players usually win, unless the coach doesn’t know how to use them, or leaves them on the bench at the wrong times.
     
     
     

    • Nov 15, 201311:17 am
      by sebastian

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      Yo, Vic, I don’t know why Mo’ is making this harder than what it needs to be. Your breakdown of the potential defense perspective is spot on and even more confirms the need to start KCP.
      So what the guy (KCP) is a rookie, he has great defensive instincts and he’s young, who I think is now finding his stroke. The dude has a pretty shot that when it falls drops in the hoop like a fly ball in a center fielders’ glove.
      Mo’ start KCP, now!!!

    • Nov 15, 20134:22 pm
      by Uncle Juan

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      you are absoloutly right but I would start Stuckey at point that would be a great devensive team and we can hang our hat on that. We can use KCP like rip coming off sceens and you would have mismatches at every position. Jennings is to iratic and he can excel against backups. One thing Stuckey has shown us he can post up any point guard and defend the best ones. 

  • Nov 15, 201310:57 am
    by rainmax

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    I bet that if the pistons were able to draft mclemore instead of kcp he would have been the starting 2-guard from day one, regardless of the pistons picking up billups during free agency.

    • Nov 15, 201311:19 am
      by sebastian

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      So, rainmax, are you saying that KCP should start, also. Just making sure I understand, because I believe that KCP should begin his starts, tonight, against the Kings.

    • Nov 15, 201311:57 am
      by Some Dude

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      @ Rainmax
      And what exactly do you think makes MeLemore so much better that we should have gotten him? I don’t see much of a difference between him and KCP. If fact, I think KCP is a better defender, and both have the same potential to be good scorers. I hate when people bring up McLemore, we got our SG, and he’s gonna develop into a good player.
      In comparison, McLemore is only averaging 7.9 points to KCP’s 7.2 points. AND McLemore plays more minutes, so KCP is putting up similar numbers with less playing time. So enough with McLemore already. KCP is our guy.

      • Nov 15, 20132:03 pm
        by Tim Thielke

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        It is certainly no sure thing that McLemore will turn out better than Pope. But McLemore might become a star. Pope won’t, his upside is Danny Green/Jimmy Butler/Arron Afflalo/Wes Matthews. That’s why McLemore would have been much more desirable.

        • Nov 16, 201310:16 pm
          by Some Dude

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          I’m not sure how their upside is being determined right now. But I can’t see either of them being better than the other. They are moth athletic 3-point shooters, who can run the floor effectively. They have pretty much the same body stature as well. On top of that, KCP is a better defender already. I think KCP is more of a complete package than McLemore. Because all I see in McLemore is a high velocity scorer where as KCP does more of everything.

          • Nov 16, 201310:17 pm
            by Some Dude

            *both

  • Nov 15, 201311:24 am
    by Jon M

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    Absolutely agree that the defense MUST get better and it hasn’t been a particularly great start. However, we have played the Pacers, The Grizzlies, OKC and The Warriors… these teams are elite and a tough pill to swallow so early in the season with our newly constructed team. 
    Your assessment that their ceiling is 2011 Hawks seems rash to me.

  • Nov 15, 201311:42 am
    by domnick

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    trading.monroe is interesting.if we.are getting a good shooting guard

    who are.the.possible targets? for.me

    klay thompson 

    • Nov 15, 201312:01 pm
      by Some Dude

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      Hard to see GS ending the Splash Brothers tandem. I think it’s more likely they get a Marcus Thornton, Aaron Afflalo, Wes Matthews. But we have KCP, he’s the future and if he gets minutes now can certainly be the present.

      • Nov 15, 20132:14 pm
        by Tim Thielke

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        None of those guys are worth anything close to Monroe. Beal or Leonard could be conversation starters.

        • Nov 16, 201310:19 pm
          by Some Dude

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          I wasn’t suggesting trading Monroe for those guys. I’m talking about trading Stuckey/CV.

        • Nov 17, 201310:06 am
          by lotterybound14

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          If you could get Orlando to take the Charlie V contract and give back Afflalo and Tobias Harris- you would have to consider trading Monroe. It makes perfect sense from an overall standpoint.

  • Nov 15, 201312:25 pm
    by sebastian

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    Yo, Patrick H., correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure you will), isn’t Chauncey contract of $2.5 million his for both the current season and the ’13-’14 and neither a player’s or team option; according to hoopshype.com (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/detroit.htm), the go to website for all NBA salary information.

  • Nov 15, 201312:25 pm
    by Otis

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    This is going to sound negative, but I don’t know how else to say it. Not that it’s hurting anyone, but this mailbag thing seems like kind of an exercise in futility. I mean, even the Pistons’ very own mailbag has been utterly useless for years now. I’m not sure this accomplishes any more than simply writing opinion blogs and interacting with people in the comments. Just a thought. No matter. This isn’t hurting anyone.
     
    On to brass tax: Patrick, you’ve still not given me the faintest impression of how you propose to build around Moose and Drummond. Like, not even a germ of an idea that could someday blossom into an actual plan. “Draft and trades” is lip service BS when you still owe Charlotte a #1 pick and are unwilling to trade anyone who has any real value. You’re not going to get anything of any significance for anyone on this roster not named Greg or Andre. I don’t see any other way to genuinely shake up the formula than to trade one of them (hint: it’s probably Greg) to beef up the perimeter. Obviously you were the high bidder for Smith’s services, and his value isn’t going anywhere but down if this team doesn’t mesh, so that’s a non-starter. Ditto for Jennings. And everyone else on the roster is a role player who isn’t going to net you a difference maker. If you stay the course, you have one chance and around $10 mil this summer. And even then you’re paving the way to be a tax paying team, so you better be damn sure you’re getting the right pieces. I just don’t see the justification for sticking to a failing formula.
     
    Moose and Dre have tons of talent/potential individually, but you can’t possibly have so much confidence/hope for them as a duo that you’re willing to set out on a path where the team has NO chance of being any good for another few years while we wait for Joe’s latest free agent frenzy to come off the books. They have never, ever looked like they had particularly good chemistry. A handful of nice plays, but nothing consistent or reliable at all.

    • Nov 15, 20131:55 pm
      by Huddy

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      What is a mailbag segment on a sports site supposed to accomplish besides posting opinions and interacting with readers in the comments?  People submit their questions and opinions and the writers respond with what, in their opinion, is the answer…was this sold to you differently?  If anyone had a statistical or fact-based question they would look it up themselves.  Everyone on this site is discussing a professional sports team on the topics of trades, projections, etc that they have absolutely no control over at the player or front office level….nothing you or I or anyone else types on here “accomplishes” anything, it is all an exercise in futility. 

      • Nov 15, 20131:58 pm
        by Otis

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        I understand that, just sort of thinking out loud. It’s just that usually a mailbag feature involves inside info/interaction with experts/insiders/what-have-you. It just occurred to me that the same effect would be achieved through the comments section of any given article. Oh well. Content is content, I guess.

        • Nov 15, 20132:28 pm
          by Huddy

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          I don’t correlate the option of submitting questions to the writers of this site with the site adding new experts or somehow having more inside access to Pistons information than they currently use for their writing.  Either way I usually find that insider info/expert opinions are relatively underwhelming.  There is only so much stock you can put into information regarding trades, personnel changes, etc.  Usually if it is obvious the information is out there and if there are just “rumors” it is 90% BS.  For example, for some reason I waste 35$ a year to get “insider” info from ESPN and today they have graced me with a rumor that (according to a source from Fox Sports Ohio) The Pistons might try to trade Stuckey and CV (which ESPN quickly follows up by saying it is unlikely because they have little value).  There are only so many experts and quality sports writers out there and unfortunately not a lot of them are focusing their time covering the Pistons in depth.
           
          You are certainly write about pistons.com though.  I sometimes wonder if Keith Langolis is a real person or just some hologram you occasionally see and his writing is done by some automated Pistons program (insert terrible box-score and out comes a fluff piece on how determined the team looked out there).

    • Nov 15, 20133:56 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “this mailbag thing seems like kind of an exercise in futility.”

      Says the guy who has posted basically the same 1,000 word comment repeatedly for like three years now. I guess you know exercises in futility though, so I’ll defer to your expertise.

      Why do a mailbag? I dunno … because sometimes readers email me or tweet me and ask questions. Sometimes those questions are interesting. So instead of responding privately, why not use that content on the site? You sure do complain a lot about inane shit.

      “Patrick, you’ve still not given me the faintest impression of how you propose to build around Moose and Drummond. ”

      What’s so complex about it? You have two great big men who are young, still improving and have different enough skillsets to complement each other rather than get in each other’s way. You build around them by adding competent players that highlight the qualities of what each guy does. A good start would be adding better perimeter shooters to the lineup. Step two would be finding a point guard who isn’t repulsed by the idea of passing or who isn’t a million years old. Hiring a competent coach wouldn’t be a bad idea either. It’s not that complicated. Orlando made a finals appearance and was a couple of fluky buzzer beaters from winning a title with a team of Dwight Howard and like 13 shooting guards who can’t dribble a few years ago. 

      “Draft and trades” is lip service BS when you still owe Charlotte a #1 pick ”

      Oh heavens, get the fainting couch! The Pistons are down a first round pick! They’ll never draft a competent player again! Hell, I’m not even convinced they lose that pick this year. From what we’ve seen so far, there’s more evidence that they suck than evidence they’re good. If they add a top eight pick to this roster, they’ll be in great shape. And if they end up being good enough to not pick top eight, that will suck, but they still have the ability to make smart trades and are under the cap next season so they can still add players in free agency. 

      “and are unwilling to trade anyone who has any real value. ”

      This is an incorrect assessment of arguments I’ve made. I’m not unwilling to trade anyone on this roster, as long as the return is of equal or greater value. So, for example, trading Monroe for a package led by Harrison Barnes is stupid because Monroe is objectively a much better player than Barnes. Would Barnes possibly make the roster more balanced or maybe even a tad better in the short term? Sure. Would that be a “good” trade when you give up a good asset for a less good asset? Are you convinced that Barnes is going to be a better NBA player than Monroe? Now, if GS is offering Klay Thompson for Monroe, I might be listening. But I think you criminally undervalue what Monroe is actually worth.

      “They have never, ever looked like they had particularly good chemistry. A handful of nice plays, but nothing consistent or reliable at all.”

      I don’t think they’ve played together enough to make the conclusion that they definitely can’t play together. There has certainly been nothing to suggest that they can’t complement each other well or that one definitely has to go.

  • Nov 15, 20131:09 pm
    by Jeremy J.

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    Am I the only one who is interested in getting Evan Turner? The kid is putting up serious numbers this year and would probably come cheap.

    • Nov 15, 20132:03 pm
      by Huddy

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      Evan Turner looks pretty good this year (doing wonders for my fantasy team) not sure he is worth what he would require from the Pistons.  He fits Phillys young core pretty well, but doesn’t have the range on his jumper Detroit needs at sg/sf if they are going to make a change. 

    • Nov 15, 20132:04 pm
      by Otis

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      What in Heaven’s name makes you think a very high draft pick still on his rookie contract who’s putting up serious numbers on a surprisingly competitive team would probably come cheap?

    • Nov 15, 20133:58 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Evan Turner looks GREAT so far. There will be nothing cheap about his next contract. Consider what Tyreke Evans got as the floor for what Turner is likely to want.

  • Nov 15, 20131:34 pm
    by MrBlockedShot

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    It seems Billups is suffering from tendinitis in one of his knees. Might be this one the opportunity we were waiting for KCP to start? 

  • Nov 15, 20132:47 pm
    by Leon

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    I see why people would say trade Smith instead of Monroe, and I can see why people would say trade Monroe instead of Smith. Heres the dilemma besides contract issues. They both actually play the same position but moose isn’t athletic enough to defend the quicker PF’s. Offensively you can run an offense through him better than Smith and his offense is probably more consistent but he can’t really score in many ways like a Smith when Smith is actually on due to his athletic ability. Now Smith is more of a defensive presence than Monroe due to sheer athletic ability. That’s why they try and slide him over to the 3 at times. But in reality they’re killing themselves by doing it. The thing about this team for the past few years they never tend to draft or trade a player and let that player play his natural position. They alway try to hybrid someone which could work in certain situations but it shouldn’t be the norm or how you build a team. The only guy on the team who’s an exception to that rule being a hybrid honestly would be Greg Monroe because he’s a PF size but he is also the typical NbA of today center size and type and actually has a better skill set to play both positions. Primarily center though. Remember…. The position he played when people was raving about him being an all-star? Listen moose is arguably the best player on the team your not going to Hershel Walker this dude and get back anything that could benefit us in the present or future. Once we and more importantly the coach realize its Moose and Dre who should split minutes the team will start rolling a bit. Now this will then let J. Smith play his power forward position a bit more smoothly instead of wearing him down on D trying to guard SF. Like I said he’s athletic enough to do it but doing it all the time is disastrous. 

  • Nov 15, 20132:48 pm
    by Leon

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    This is now when you have your prob At the SF position well u have a choice. Three choices actually. Let JJ Singler or even T Mitchell get the burn at that position. The name of the game there is know your role. The thing at the time that made Tay so good was the fact he knew his role. It wasn’t to score but it was to defend and occasionally generate enough O to keep the opposing team honest. Why are these guys struggling right now ? Because that same problem of playing these guys out of position. i also forgot to mention Gigi at the Sf position. But you even see with him. They try and make there sf pf. But overall you have to play these guys they got to have some burn to get a rhythm. At SG I say if you drafted a SG as your top pick and if he at least brings something to the table play him. Who cares if he’s a rook. You’re not doing anything but stunting his growth. Stuckey is who he is and since the early hype of his offense has diminished you see why he is best suited to come off the bench. CB should backup Jennings or  (gulp) WB at (POINT) not SG….. Maybe every other blue moon but CB should be getting less burn than any one of the players. No disrespect to Chauncey but they have to stop depending on him like that. They should only use him to quickly stabilize the team when things seem a bit shaky and that’s at the PG position to distribute more so than to try and be Mr. Big Shot. I mean yea if the shots there and you feeling good about it let it rip but don’t try to be the offensive spark plug. They actually have the players hell even Peyton Silva should be considered but thats another story. For those who were athletic enough to play ball or just knowledgeable enough to play, remember when we played with what and who we had and found out away to make it work? We may have had a kid who was pudgy and slow but he was our best version of a center cause that’s just how he played. Like a center this would not be considered a hybrid because I don’t know mentally the kid actually thought he was the center and his skill set was that of a center sure he may have had to adjust how he played due to maybe being slower or shorter but he or the team made it work  That’s what todays game lack and what our team lacks. We need to play with that same mindset or because we actually have the height play at our own position coach 

  • Nov 15, 20132:59 pm
    by frankie d

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    Incredible…dumars spends 20 million dollrs and not only does he fail to solve his main problems but he creates new major problems.   
    God help this crazy team.

  • Nov 15, 20133:44 pm
    by Max

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    In my opinion the defense has been a much bigger problem than the offense.  
    That said, there’s talk that the Kings are going to trade one or more of their guards and I think Jimmer Fredette or Marcus Thornton who they are likely looking to move could address some of the Pistons shooting problems.  I really wouldn’t mind getting Jimmer and maybe he could come cheap.  

    • Nov 15, 20133:53 pm
      by Huddy

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      I’m not sure about adding another offensive minded guard to the rotation.  He  is a good shooter, bu, like you said, defense has been the major problem.  Even if Cheeks somehow got into his head that Billups doesn’t need to be playing 30+ min a game, I am not sure I would like to see Jimmer in for Jennings off the bench…PGs would score at will all game long.  I would rather see Stuckey get more of his minutes at the point for defense and use KCP/Singler/Datome with him to provide wing shooting when the starting line up isn’t in. 

      • Nov 16, 20131:21 am
        by Max

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        It depends how cheap Jimmer would be.   I wouldn’t suggest he should get a lot of minutes but I don’t think it would be a bad thing to have a true dead eye shooter that could play spot minutes in certain situations.  

  • Nov 15, 20134:15 pm
    by Windy

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    If Billups is on the court you need to have Stuckey or KCP out there with him to help out on D…Billups can find a role on this team, it’s smaller minutes, slow the game down type minutes…he at the very least calms some of these guys down and can help run actual plays as a opposed to Jennings, Stuckey an Bynum…as fans we knew KCP should have been in the starting lineup and hopefully he does the things he needs to do to hold that spot, taking smart shots, not fouling like mad, hustling and at the end of the day he needs to hit open shots…same goes for Datome

  • Nov 17, 20139:57 am
    by lotterybound14

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    Deal KCP and Stuckey for Aaron Afflalo

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