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Lakers invade Motown

Essentials

  • Teams: Los Angeles Lakers (8-8) at Detroit Pistons (6-9_
  • Date: November 29, 2013
  • Time: 7:30 p.m.
  • Television: FSD

What to look for

The Detroit Pistons were lit up at home in their last contest with the Chicago Bulls and as a result, they will be looking to bounce back tonight when they host the Los Angeles Lakers.

Mind you, the Purple and Gold defeated them by double digits less than two weeks ago at Staples Center thanks in large part to Jordan Hill’s monster performance. The big man produced 24 points and 17 rebounds for Los Angeles.

The contest spoke volumes about the Pistons’ ineptitude on defense. Indeed, the Lakers have been one of the worst offensive teams in the league in 2013-14 and yet, they had their way against Detroit in mid-November.

In the head-to-head contest on November 17, Los Angeles scored 114 points against Mo Cheeks’ group. They accomplished this by manufacturing 44 points in the paint and converting 10-of-25 shots from 3-point range.

Pau Gasol and company shot 52.2 percent form the field and only committed 13 turnovers. A quick glance at the box score would lead you to believe that these Lakers are an elite team based on the way they dominated every offensive category against the Pistons.

This kind of performance simply cannot be reproduced on Detroit’s end if they truly hope to contend for a playoff spot. The Pistons simply are not good enough to steal games in which their defense basically fails to get off the bus.

The Pistons find ways to score points, but they are not a juggernaut and as a result, abysmal defensive showings basically doom them.

The Lakers are a great 3-point shooting team and consequently, they can make it rain from long range when left open. They accomplish this via dribble penetration, pick-and-rolls and post-ups.

They hunt down 3-pointers like it’s nobody’s business because that’s what the coaching staff emphasizes. They are a top-five team in terms of conversion rate from downtown and attempts on these types of shots.

Thus, Detroit has to run them off the line and force them to settle for mid-range jumpers or concede the long-range shots and take everything else away. Los Angeles cannot have it all, otherwise the Pistons will be playing the exact same game they participated in earlier in the month: a game in which they got smoked.

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41 Comments

  • Nov 29, 20138:40 pm
    by Mister D

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    Dre shaved his shoulders to cut down on wind resistance.

  • Nov 29, 20138:43 pm
    by haydzzz

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    The team defensive pressure is so damn low. This team should be applying way more pressure especially on the pick and rolls. Id like to see the same effort they put on the offensive end put into the defensive end. Until then teams will keep shooting high percentage.

  • Nov 29, 20138:48 pm
    by gmehl

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    We should be leading this game by double figures at the half but we’re down 1. We’re still struggling closing out on 3pt shooters and our free throw shooting is abysmal. Hopefully we come out with some fire in the 3rd.

  • Nov 29, 20139:46 pm
    by haydzzz

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    I know josh smith has missed a lot of easy look sin side but damn he looks so much better at power forward

  • Nov 29, 20139:54 pm
    by jinzzy

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    why is singler in the game ? wtf

    • Nov 29, 201310:07 pm
      by haydzzz

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      Good question, nick young was dancing around him the whole game thought Kcp would’ve been way better

    • Nov 29, 201311:48 pm
      by Jodi "The Guru" Jezz

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      X1,000!.. Everyone at my house was screaming the exact same thing…Singler is a bum!..

  • Nov 29, 201310:09 pm
    by DetroitP

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    This game pissed me off more than any game this season so far.

    • Nov 30, 201312:21 am
      by grizz3741

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      same here but add 3 more years  … a so stupid a loss as ther ever has been

  • Nov 29, 201310:12 pm
    by Leon

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    How the F^&*k we lose now????!!!!! DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Nov 29, 201310:17 pm
    by Jake

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    Embarrassing game for Cheeks. Singler doubling Drummond’s minutes? Absurd.

  • Nov 29, 201310:20 pm
    by Hook Shot

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    Monroe needs to go. We lack quality perimeter players. 

  • Nov 29, 201310:21 pm
    by Edgar

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    I’m just counting down the days before Joe D panic-trades for Rudy Gay.

    • Nov 29, 201310:29 pm
      by AdamG

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      I guess at least if that happens players will b at their natural position 

  • Nov 29, 201310:25 pm
    by vic

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    How did Drummond get 16 minutes and he only had 4 fouls but Singler got 33 minutes and he had 5 fouls.
    How did Wesley Johnson go off? Did anybody try to guard him?
    Why does this team gamble so much off of 3 point shooters?
    This team sucks. 
    I’ve never seen so much talent find a way to get outsmarted and lose every game that its possible to lose.

    • Nov 29, 201310:30 pm
      by Edgar

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      Cheeks is the answer to all those questions. I haven’t been one to blame coaching in the past (Kuester, Frank) because the players on those teams just weren’t talented. But, this team definitely has enough talent to be at least .500. Cheeks is the one screwing it up. We’re almost 20 games into the season now and he still hasn’t figured out who his best 9 players are. (Hint: Not Siva or Villanueava). He still hasn’t figured out that Drummond is a more efficient, consistent, productive offensive player than either Smith or Jennings. He was supposed to be good at player communication, but he can’t grein in Smith or Jennings. And, he played his best player 16 minutes tonight. 

      • Nov 30, 20131:58 am
        by Otis

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        Joe is the answer to all those questions. Joe is responsible for a bad roster, which is problem #1. Joe is responsible for the bad coach, which is problem #2. There is no third problem, because Joe’s only job is to put players and coaches in a position to succeed.

  • Nov 29, 201310:27 pm
    by vic

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    KCP only played 15 minutes? ok so thats how they got torched at the 3 point line

    • Nov 30, 20132:01 am
      by Otis

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      No it isn’t, and can we please all agree to stop pointing to one stupid little thing and pretend it’s the answer? Play Gigi, feed the moose, more minutes for this guy or that guy, bench Bynum. I’m getting sick of it. Point all your fingers at Joe and be done with it. He has been the one constant, and this mess isn’t going to be fixed by tweaks. It’s going to take sweeping change, and it’s going to involve key pieces, not role players like Gigi, KCP and Bynum.

  • Nov 29, 201310:28 pm
    by haydzzz

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    The problem with this team is that it is poorly constructed. It is not the players fault and yes cheeks isn’t the best coach but i don’t believe he is fully to blame. If you look at our roster we don’t have any starting caliber 3 point shooters, we have moose playing power forward when he is better suited at centre and smith playing at small forward when he is a power forward. We have singler as our only true small forward but on any good team he is a back up at best. Joe D needs to make a trade, we need a true small forward and better perimeter defenders. Without those teams will continue to kill us on the perimeter and we will continue to suck at the three.

    • Nov 29, 201310:36 pm
      by Edgar

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      I agree that the roster is poorly constructed but Cheeks exacerbates that problem by not settling on a rotation and by not finding a way to get Datome on the floor. Coaches can hide bad defenders if you have a sound system and tight rotations (we’ve got neither). The roster is too lopsided for the team to be a contender, but we really should be around .500.

      • Nov 30, 20132:05 am
        by Otis

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        Datome has nothing to do with anything. He’s a heinous defender, and there’s probably a good reason he’s not playing. Cheeks may be incompetent, but he wants to win and he knows we need shooting. He knows Datome exists. Datome is not the answer. Stop pretending like you know anything about this guy that Cheeks doesn’t. Virtually 100% of the time there’s a reason a guy isn’t in the NBA. STOP pretending he’s some panacea. Jesus. You sound ridiculous.

        • Nov 30, 20132:50 am
          by Edgar

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          I don’t have to pretend to know that Singler isn’t the dead-eye shooter we need to space the floor, nor is he a lock-down defender. I’m not saying Datome’s THE answer. But, it’s pretty clear he can shoot and that he won’t be much worse than Singler. So, why not play him? Also, I’m not saying playing Datome would make us contenders. At best, we’d be .500 if we had a quality shooter at the wing. Also, if Cheeks can’t find a way to hide a shooter who plays bad defense, then he shouldn’t be a coach. Which he shouldn’t be anyway.

  • Nov 29, 201310:49 pm
    by Leon

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    We need to get a damn small forward and stop having Smith play thee three we’re burning him the hell out. We need to have either him or Greg come off the damn bench. Get rid of CV and Bynum for……You know what we just need to tank the damn season. Nobody in the league willing to come to Detroit is probably someone we don’t want. It starts with are staff. Whoever is in charge of player development right now needs to be FIRED!!!!!! If Joe needs to go then so be it. Not sure who could replace him but….. bottom line we need to get a competent college player, and develop are other players. I’m sick of Arnie Kander cause the guys that’s suppose to be three point specialist the past few years after fucking with him seem to be worthless for us. (I’m venting but it may be actual truth in that). As a team or at least knowing that the generation that’s in the league or rather coming into the league skills and competence is really not up to par needs to invest in a BETTER PLAYER DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. And STOP drafting players or signing players and playing them out of their damn position. I hate that we try to do this hybrid shit. We’re so screwed with the lineup because as a NBA team or at least in our past we had players that could help cover up where one teammate lacked. You had a team that was defensively competent enough to help  on D or at least they were good one on one defenders. Our delema….our best offensive player in the low post and

  • Nov 29, 201310:58 pm
    by baja grill

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    Move the team to grand rapids,  at least you will get 10,000 pkus fans at every game.  More money in the West side.   West side covers the whoke state. Fire Dumars.   

  • Nov 29, 201311:02 pm
    by Edgar

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    Taking Drummond out because he’s in foul trouble is so stupid. He’s not going to play at the end of the game anyway because of his foul shooting, so what is Cheeks saving him for? Also, a couple people have said this, but it’s just too mind-boggling: How many threes does Wes Johnson have to make before Cheeks says something about it in a timeout? And if he is telling the team to account for him and they’re not doing it, why are they still in the game?! Put players in who will follow directions. Wow, this was an awful loss.

  • Nov 29, 201311:11 pm
    by Leon

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    Is to damn slow to guard the perimeter. Josh Smith isn’t a competent scorer. Dre isn’t an offensive polished player. our frontcourt defense save for Stuckey is horrendous which causes our front court to be out of position trying to cover for them. It amazes me how we have atleast 6 players on our roster that contributes very little…..or so inconsistent it’s barely noticed. I can careless about the so called spark WB or whomever provides off the damn bench. We just need competent players. Hussle players…We need a whole new team. But don’t trade Greg. Design an offense that keeps Smith off the damn perimeter. FIND OR GET OR DEVELOPE your damn front court KCP can atleast defend. Hammer into his head that hey you need to defend even more to keep your bigs out of foul trouble. Hell play T. Mitchell more. I know many will say he must not be doing anything in practice but hell the players you got out there now aint doing shit. 

  • Nov 29, 201311:15 pm
    by domnick

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    bad loss again… fire.the coach please

    • Nov 30, 20132:09 am
      by Otis

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      YES. The coach is the problem. Anybody who can be thrown under the bus besides Dumars is the problem. Cheeks probably forced Dumars to hire him at gunpoint. He must be stopped. Dumars is the victim here.
       
      No, but in all seriousness Cheeks is a distant third (behind “bad GM” and “bad roster”) in the blame game pecking order. Cheeks is probably equally awful in his own way to the previous stiffs we’ve hired to steer the Titanic.

  • Nov 29, 201311:36 pm
    by Edgar

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    Cheeks said in the press conference that he didn’t put Andre Drummond back in the game because the Lakers had a small lineup out there and he thought we “needed to score.” Because Andre Drummond can’t score points against a small lineup. 

  • Nov 29, 201311:49 pm
    by Jodi "The Guru" Jezz

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    I’m so glad people here are starting to realize how horrible Singler is…I’ve been calling that guy a bum since last season…

    • Nov 30, 20132:11 am
      by Otis

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      Jodi, he is a second round pick who plays because Joe has put no better options on the roster. Kyle Singler is the least of anyone’s problems. It’s practically a miracle we’ve gotten as much production out of him as we have. Pointing the finger at a second rounder who at least works hard makes you look ridiculous.

  • Nov 30, 201312:54 am
    by Max

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    Cheeks said that he went with Monroe over Andre in the fourth because they needed to score. Monroe had 0 shots in the fourth quarter and that is the problem. The two combined to shoot 14/25 in three quarters and combined to shoot 0 times in the fourth after it was made clear that our biggest advantage was in the paint. Monroe should lead the team in shots on most nights, and especially on nights like tonight where he is feeling it. Instead Smith shoots 4/16 and Cheeks does nothing about it.

  • Nov 30, 201312:58 am
    by Wooz

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    Easily the worst loss of the year. Kept waiting for Dre to come back in. but, 10 pt lead when 4th started, team is playing well, so give it a couple minutes. 2 Siva turnovers and yet another wide open 3 for the Lakers. Timeout. Whew Cheeks is awake, here comes Drummond. Oh, wait no. So, 5-6 offensive rebounds later for the Lakers and the game is tied, now, bring your giant rebounding young guy into the game? nope. Let people keep climbing Singler’s back for offensive rebounds and more rebounds go through Moose’s hands. Nice game, Cheeks. Can’t wait for the guy who replaces Joe to let you go. 
    This team fills the stat sheet. Look at Josh Smith. Almost a quadruple double (8 pts, 19 boards, 8 assists, 12 missed shots). But, they’re just always less than the sum of their parts. No one can defend the pick and roll. 12 missed free throws (including 2 of 3 with a chance to tie the game late). And, with 2 seconds left in the first half and possession, they turn it into a turnover and then a slam at the buzzer for the Lakers. That takes a special kind of lack of attention to detail and the little things all around.
    It’s tough sometimes with all the negativity on this board all the time, often well deserved, but after all these bad years to be 16 games in and 6-10 and losing games that shouldnt be this close, is really frustrating and maddening. When the teams just sucked the last couple years, it was a lot easier to take. 
     

    • Nov 30, 20132:07 am
      by grizz3741

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      great post Wooz …

    • Nov 30, 20132:16 am
      by Otis

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      Fully agree that this team was easier to watch when there was just a horrific lack of talent. Much, much harder to watch this knowing that we have the pieces to actually build a quality team if they were willing to pull the plug on the season, but knowing that a team that refused to pull the plug when the playoffs were impossible isn’t going to pull the plug when it looks like you can limp to the playoffs with a .400 record.
       
      Trade Stuckey and Moose, bring in the players/picks to come back next year with a Smith/Drummond front line and a beefed up perimeter. It should not be that hard.

  • Nov 30, 20131:19 am
    by gmehl

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    This is the kind of game we’ll win at the end of the season that wont meant anything other than us just missing out on the playoffs and just good enough to hand our draft pick to Charlotte. 

  • Nov 30, 20132:48 am
    by Otis

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    So, um. We have six wins, none against quality teams. The teams we’ve beaten (WSH, BOS, BKN, SAC, NYK, MIL) have a combined 27/67 record. A whopping .287 win PCT. Those are our “conquests.” Fewer than 100 games played between them and still 40 games under .500. 16 games in the books for us without a quality win. And it’s not like we’ve had a particularly lopsided schedule or anything. A pretty fair sampling of the league, still yet to face either of the two top teams from a season ago. Lost to the Hawks home and away, lost to the Kobe-less, Nash-less Lakers home and away. These teams are average at best, and we just went 0-4 against them. We HAD to win 3 of those 4 games given how much we’ve invested in this weird roster and how little flexibility we’ll have if we let the trade deadline pass.
     
    If you think there is a quick fix like playing Datome or benching Will Bynum or “feeding the moose,” I wish you’d keep it to yourself. You’ll only embarrass yourself. This team’s problems run much, much deeper.

    • Nov 30, 20132:57 am
      by Edgar

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      Dude, Cheeks played Drummond 16 minutes in a game he was dominating. Drummond could’ve had a 20-20 game. That’s about as deep as it goes. 

  • Nov 30, 201310:21 am
    by Max

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    Otis, I agree with you that trading Monroe would be the best option, but in the meantime, they might as well try to win games. How does benching Drummond help with that? This was a game they definitely should have won and Cheeks was a big reason they didn’t so how is he not to blame?

  • Nov 30, 201311:02 am
    by zdwtr

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    they should try something like this. clearly the formula of josh-greg and dre doesnt work. the starter should be C-Dre PF-Josh SF-Datome SG-KCP PG-Jennings. Why josh instead of Moose? Moose natural position is C. Let him be the back up for Dre. We desperately need a shooter in this team. The answer is italian league mvp Datome. Make him work harder on practice and real game on the D. His shot will fall. SG we dont have other option because Stuck is beasting as 6th man. PG off course is BJ. The back up should be C Monroe PF Mitchell (experimenting a little bit to make him the next dennis rodman) SF Singler SG Rodney PG Billups (neither wb or siva is good enough to be a backup pg)

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