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Detroit dominates the paint, LA dominates the arc, Refs prove to be the tiebreaker as Lakers sweep Pistons

Los Angeles Lakers 106 FinalRecap | Box Score 102 Detroit Pistons
Greg Monroe, PF 35 MIN | 9-15 FG | 1-3 FT | 8 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 19 PTS | -3Monroe ran the floor well, kept at the boards (although many ended up in the hands of his teammates), and played stout D as long as he was just standing his ground. Also, he got the Pistons’ first bucket from outside the paint.The Lakers couldn’t back Monroe down, but they could go around him. Cheeks needs to figure out how to optimize that strength/weakness combo.
Josh Smith, SF 44 MIN | 4-16 FG | 0-4 FT | 19 REB | 8 AST | 5 STL | 2 BLK | 5 TO | 8 PTS | -2Smith was a beast everywhere. He played exactly the kind of manic intensity game you hope to see from him every night. Unfortunately, he couldn’t hit a shot if his life depended on it. As was the case with Monroe, Detroit needed Smith to hit his free throws.
Andre Drummond, C 16 MIN | 5-10 FG | 3-4 FT | 11 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 13 PTS | +9Drummond piled up stats at an obscene rate while on the floor. Unfortunately, he was committing too many fouls and getting whistled for too many that he didn’t commit. Drummond also hit 3 straight free throws after failing to make consecutive ones so far in any other game.Cheeks should know he probably won’t play Drummond down the stretch for fear of Hack-A-Dre. Why on earth does he pull him out of the game with 4 fouls in the 3rd quarter?
Brandon Jennings, PG 41 MIN | 8-17 FG | 3-5 FT | 2 REB | 9 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 19 PTS | -2Jennings put up good counting stats yet again including a gorgeous fast break oop to Pope. And he carried the Pistons down the stretch. Unfortunately, if Jennings is the guy carrying you, it’s tough to win. Then Jennings missed two huge free throws with a chance to tie up the game. He needs to hit those, but in a game when he made as many shots from outside the paint as the rest of Detroit combined (3), the blame for letting a big lead slip away really belongs elsewhere.
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG 15 MIN | 3-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 6 PTS | +6Pope hustled, made athletic layups, and looked decent out there. But the Pistons got torched by Johnson and Williams from beyond the arc. Pope should have been the one stopping them, or at least Johnson.A commenter referred to Pope as “one of the better shooters in the draft”. I had to conclude he hasn’t watched much Pistons’ ball this year.
Josh Harrellson, PF 12 MIN | 2-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | +3Harrellson was active on offense and useless on defense. He deserved his limited minutes in this game. Also, what was he doing inside? The Pistons desperately needed shooting, more in this game than any other, and he is one of the best options to provide it.
Charlie Villanueva, PF 4 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -2Villanueva tapped a rebound away from Jennings into Sacre’s hands. He got lucky that Sacre bobbled it out of bounds, but stealing boards from teammates is a pet peeve of mine. I lambasted Siva for it a few games ago and Villanueva earned the same.
Kyle Singler, SF 33 MIN | 3-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 7 PTS | -17Singler played good help defense inside, but the Pistons desperately needed someone to step up and stop the 3 point barrage. After Pope, Singler was the best candidate. He gets the plus on his D though for hitting the Pistons’ only 3.
Peyton Siva, PG 7 MIN | 1-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 2 PTS | -2Siva played good defense (Farmar was 1-4 with Siva in) and mostly avoided sloppiness. One of his TOs was just a terrible call. Both of his feet were clearly in.
Rodney Stuckey, SG 33 MIN | 8-17 FG | 6-9 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 22 PTS | -10Stuckey bulled his way inside time and again, hitting a high percentage of his shots. Toward the end, though, he settled for jumpers. I would blame him for that much more if the refs hadn’t been complete idiots. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen anyone besides LeBron and Howard absorb that much contact without getting the whistle.To wit, on one drive, he had two different Lakers hit him in the face without getting a call. On another drive, Wesley Johnson held his forearm down as he tried to shoot and again, no call.
Maurice Cheeks
Cheeks was useless. Most notably, his asinine decision to bench Drummond that I mentioned earlier. But he needed to make tighter coverage of Lakers behind the arc the biggest point of emphasis. Also, in the Pistons’ worst shooting game of the season, he stubbornly refused to give much burn to their few plus shooters.

Three Things We Saw

  1. The officiating was awful. There weren’t many 50/50 calls to go either way, but blatantly bad calls were repeatedly made in the Lakers’ favor. I mentioned some of the missed hacks on Stuckey earlier and the ridiculous Siva TO. Also, Drummond picked up his 4th foul on what would have been a no call if Hill hadn’t rolled his ankle. Pope got whistled for fouling Johnson on a play when he never touched him. Jordan Farmar clearly knocked a ball out of bounds late in the fourth but it was called Lakers ball and then he immediately buried a three. And finally, Josh Smith’s game losing offensive foul doesn’t happen if Shawne Williams doesn’t push him into Nick Young.The Lakers incredibly sloppy offense and rebounding meant Detroit should have won this even with Williams and Johnson channeling the spirits of Curry and Thompson. But the repeated bad calls were too much to overcome. My grades may seem generous, but that’s because I think the Pistons easily win this contest if it is close to fairly officiated.
  2. The Pistons managed to go 29 minutes without ever hitting a shot from outside the paint. I don’t know if that has ever happened before to any NBA team, but I’ve certainly never seen it. Monroe finally hit one halfway through the third, followed by a Singler three and one jumper each by Stuckey and Jennings. Jennings got two more in the 4th and that was it. 6 jump shots all game.Jennings also actually hit a 60 footer just before the halftime buzzer, but it was waved off as a TO before the shot.
  3. Related to the previous point, the Pistons scored an NBA season high 76 points in the paint.

43 Comments

  • Nov 30, 20133:01 am
    by Brandon Knight

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    Drummond was beasting (!3 points and 11 rebounds in 16 minutes! WOW), I can’t believe Cheeks didn’t put him back in. What an Idiot!! I am so mad! Also why is Stuckey still missing a tooth??? 

    • Nov 30, 201311:28 am
      by MFer

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      At 5:58 of the second period Andre got his second foul, you could see the third coming soon.  At about 4:00 minutes of the second Andre got his third… Cheeks should have seen the third coming and pulled Andre BEFORE that in the second.
      That was Cheeks BIG mistake.  Andre plays MEEK once he gets into foul trouble on both the defensive and offensive end much of the time.  I would have played Dre more than 16 minutes no matter what given what happened but, Cheeks needs to setup a game plan with Andre prior to games that avoids this 16 minute stuff.
      This is not the first or even the second time Andre’s minutes have been limited due to foul trouble this season.  it is about the fourth of fifth game.  This game was probably lost due to:

      Drummond’s poor control & propensity to foul needlessly
      Cheeks poor management of Drummond when he does get close to foul trouble

      Had either of them used their head the game would very likely have been a Piston victory.
      Now, I don’t know about you but, i figure a 50 something year old should have had a little more sense than a 20 year old.  I hope they both learn from this FAST.
      Andre at times (and I mean infrequently but too frequently) plays “passive aggressive”.  Usually this occurs when he nears foul trouble.  I suspect Cheeks sees this and that is why he sat on the bench most of the 2nd half.  
      By passive aggressive I mean, he’s soft on offense and defense as he is afraid of getting the foul, then he get’s frustrated and commits a dumb foul needlessly.  They need to drill a good thought process into his head to STOP this self defeating behavior as the kid is great the majority of the time and the Pistons need him 35 / 40 minutes / game not 16.
      I’m not sure Rasheed Wallace is the guy to teach him this as he has his own hot head problems but, somebody needs to stay on Drummond and Cheeks needs to adjust faster to help Andre BEFORE he gets into foul trouble NOT after.
      MFer

      • Nov 30, 201311:34 am
        by MFer

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        In other words, Andre needs to control himself or Cheeks needs to control Andre’s time so that he enters the 3rd period with 2 fouls not 3.  Cheeks should know this and so should Andre.  It is critical to Piston’s success.
         

        • Dec 1, 20131:44 pm
          by Tim Thielke

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          I disagree. Cheeks should let Drummond foul out. He is only contributing when he is on the floor, not when he is on the bench but still available to be put back in.

          Better for him to play 30 minutes and foul out than to play 24 minutes because Cheeks was trying to prevent him from fouling out.

    • Dec 1, 20135:54 am
      by Smellman

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      I rem ember stuckey drawing a hard foul last year and left the game after a whack to his chops. Pretty sure his tooth never survived that incident!

  • Nov 30, 20133:12 am
    by CityofKlompton

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    I think your assessment of the officiating is a little extreme. It wasn’t great, but it wasn’t as bad as you make it out to be – the Pistons gave this one away without the help of the refs tonight. 
    FSD showed some interesting numbers portraying the Pistons as a poor second half team. Tonight backed that up. Cheeks doesn’t appear to react to the other team’s adjustments very well. Pulling one of your best players for an important stretch of the game certainly doesn’t help.

    • Nov 30, 20135:57 am
      by grizz3741

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      Tim is absolutely right about the refs … they were quite bad ..Each call he brought up .. it was clear there was a wrong call .. And the Lakers announcers noticed more than a few times that the calls sucked .. But We still could have won the game with a little more smarts and effort ..

    • Nov 30, 20139:08 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      Don’t get me wrong, the Lakers played a sloppy enough game that the Pistons should have been able to pull it out anyway. But this was the worst officiating job I’ve watched so far this season. If there were only a couple bad calls, the gap would have been too big for the Lakers to overcome.

      That said, I don’t expect the Pistons to win any games when Drummond leads the team in FT%.

  • Nov 30, 20133:56 am
    by @GPMasters

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    Loved Langlois’ description of the Lakers’ 42-3 disparity in points from beyond the arc as an “edge”… Try “chasm” or “gulf”. Pathetic all round. Scrubs like Hill and Johnson going for career numbers every time they face us. Fuming right now.

  • Nov 30, 20134:58 am
    by Vince

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    So uhhhhh we’re going to forget about Smith’s two defensive assignments roasting the Pistons on the perimeter and blame it on the rookie? Okay then.
     
    The reffing I thought was average, there were some bad calls but I mean they hardly influenced the game, its more Cheeks and the Pistons’ fault for letting the lead in the fourth evaporate more than anything else.
     
    The free-throws are excruciating to watch, Moose needs to become more consistent, Smith just needs to put the ball into the hoop somehow, I for one am sick of his antics, near triple-double or not he is an absolute liability, and Jennings… Dear lord BJ, come on son. Knock those freebies down.
     
    Its a shame we lack a threat on the perimeter, we really need to sign someone with a high career 3pt%. Oh wait. I forgot. We have one. He’s the f*cking Italian League MVP. And we’re paying him 2M to sit on the bench and look miserable. Singler gets so much love on this site when he is nothing but a solid role player and I don’t understand it, Cheeks is so enamored by him he does not see his glaring deficiencies.
     
    I’m at the point where’d I’d rather see the Pistons miss out on the playoffs. Only half of the Smennings experiment has worked – Jennings – and the other looks like absolute garbage, Cheeks is bloody bi-polar, he does good things then does very bad things, he infuriates me but I am still intrigued by him. Dumars though… sorry buddy, you had my support but I think at this point this Pistons’ squad needs a good kick in the ass otherwise you’re done.
     
     

    • Nov 30, 20139:12 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      Smith is not a perimeter defender. That is becoming increasingly obvious this year. Any time his man goes off for a ton of 3s, the majority of the blame goes to Cheeks. That said, in this game, his assignment was rarely one of those guys. Drummond was out most of the game, making Smith an interior defender.

      Singler is nothing more than a role player. But hat is all that is expected of him. Nevertheless, I gave him a D+ tonight. How exactly is that showing him extra love?

      • Nov 30, 201310:31 am
        by Georgio

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        Smith’s problem is he gets lost on defense, overhelping when unnecessary, and he looses his man and can’t get back to him in time. This is NOT new, he was doing the same thing in Atl and it was pointed out when he was traded here. Is it that hard for Cheeks to demand that guys stay with the hot shooter regardless of what else happens on the floor. The same thing happened with Ariza and P George, they got hot and were constantly left open. Smith can guard these guys, he just needs to stay focused and attached to his man, not wander all over the place.

        • Nov 30, 20133:02 pm
          by Tim Thielke

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          You may be right that he can guard on the perimeter. But these are known facts: Smith plays poor perimeter D, Smith plays excellent interior D. Cheeks should use those facts. Put Drummond on a perimeter player if need be. I love watching him trap and corral point guards, he’s really good at it.

  • Nov 30, 20135:21 am
    by Mark

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    I agree with Vince. Josh Smith’s “defense” was terrible. Constantly overhelped on Johnson and was caught in no-man’s land on multiple occasions even when it became obvious that Johnson was on fire. Failed to box out, got caught on backdoor cuts, was slow to get back in transition. Terrible defensive showing and to blame the rookie is flat out wrong.

    • Nov 30, 20135:52 am
      by gmehl

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      Yep Smith has been terrible when defending as a SF on the perimeter and is then magnified by Monroe not being able to defend faster PF. Both guys are struggling on D playing out of position and I think it is safe to say the experiment is a failure. One of Monroe or Smith has to go and I’m hoping its Smith. I am still trying to come to grips with the fact that we scored the most points in the paint by ANY team this year and lost this game. Realistically we should’ve had a double digit lead at the half but we missed way too many free throws which kept LA in it. I we’re not but I really feel like we should at least be at .500 right now but have choked 3-4 very winnable games .

      • Nov 30, 20133:06 pm
        by Tim Thielke

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        This is a roster with a lot of talent, but pieces that require outside the box thinking and an unorthodox game plan. Most of the players are really good at certain things but also have major flaws. A good coach could do wonders for the Pistons. Cheeks cannot.

  • Nov 30, 20137:47 am
    by Majed

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    what is killing me is the horrible plays we keep running after a timeout or break. what is wrong with cheeks? in the end of the game, after the timeout, he calls an isolation play for stuckey? there was zero movement. 
    any decent coach knows how to get his team an easy bucket on a set play after a break in the game. Just watch any spartan game, Izzo is one of the best i have seen at doing this. 

    • Nov 30, 20138:02 pm
      by gmehl

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      Yep and D’Aatoni drew up that perfect out of bounds play to end the half which resulted in an alley oop at the rim by Wes Johnson. I mean seriously with that little time on the clock it is really the only place on the court you have to defend. 24 hours has passed and this game is still pissing me off.

  • Nov 30, 20137:51 am
    by Vic

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    KCP is NOT to blame, he’s the only competent wing defender on the team.
    one piece of common sense would have made this a win.
    Gambling on defense = losing on 3 pointerS
    Whenever the intelligence quotient of Cheeks, Smith, and Jennings figure this out… They might start winning some real basketball games.
    The blame for this loss goes squarely on Cheeks gambling defensive philosophy, and josh smith and Jennings stupid gambling for steals the whole game. If KCP is guarding the 1,2,3 by himself because of Smith & Jennings consistent gambling, you can’t blame him for the loas

    • Nov 30, 20139:15 am
      by Tim Thielke

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      Pope is the only good wing defender on the team (there are plenty of competent ones). So that is what I expect from him–good wing defense. I don’t penalize him for his bad shooting, I expect that. I do penalize him for playing mediocre D at best in this game.

  • Nov 30, 20137:54 am
    by Vic

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    KCP and Drummond only played 15 and 16 mins each

  • Nov 30, 20139:22 am
    by Jake

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    Blaming Pope for the 3-pt defense woes when he only played 15 minutes is strange.  Instead, blame Cheeks for leaving the Pistons’ best perimeter defender on the bench for the vast majority of the game.

  • Nov 30, 201310:20 am
    by hoophabit

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    I defended Cheeks early on, but last night’s game was poorly coached.  Just couldn’t figure out what he was thinking?  Pope played well (3 of 7 is not “poor” shooting).  Granted, he got off to a horrendous start this season, but has been doing better of late when he actually gets some run.  On a team that can’t or won’t defend the perimeter he needs to be on the floor more.  Datome needs more run, since he is about the only guy who causes the opposing team to even think about stepping away from the paint.  CV is CV, and except on the occasional “blue moon” is valuable only for his expiring contract.  I wonder if the Pistons aren’t paying the price of having been so bad for so long.  I couldn’t blame Stuckey for taking the tech after repeated muggings with no call.  I do blame Cheeks for not taking one.  When you’re getting that kind of treatment at home the coach has to make a point.

  • Nov 30, 201310:32 am
    by Alex Serina

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    Pistons needs a perimeter shooter.  When lakers clamped down its defense in the interior there was no alternative. Detroits’  perimeter defense was so so considering lakers lives with their outside shots. The officiating sucks but not enough to influence the game’s outcome.

  • Nov 30, 201310:55 am
    by Edgar

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    What’s so frustrating to me is that Cheeks is the second straight coach to not realize what he has in Drummond. The only gameplan he should have is play Drummond 38 minutes a night and get him as many touches around the rim as possible. He’s playing more minutes and yet his field goal percentage and true shooting percentage are both up BUT his usage rate is down! Does Cheeks really think letting Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings freelance and shoot a ton is a more effective gameplan than feeding Drummond (and Monroe)? Based on his reasoning for keeping Drummond on the bench he does. He sees Drummond and sees poor offense. Sure, he’s not skilled but he’s one of the most effective finishers in the league right now for a variety of reasons, not just athleticism. The stats back this up, it passes the eye test, so why doesn’t Cheeks see it?!

  • Nov 30, 201311:03 am
    by zdwtr

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    they should try something like this. clearly the formula of josh-greg and dre doesnt work. the starter should be C-Dre PF-Josh SF-Datome SG-KCP PG-Jennings. Why josh instead of Moose? Moose natural position is C. Let him be the back up for Dre. We desperately need a shooter in this team. The answer is italian league mvp Datome. Make him work harder on practice and real game on the D. His shot will fall. SG we dont have other option because Stuck is beasting as 6th man. PG off course is BJ. The back up should be C Monroe PF Mitchell (experimenting a little bit to make him the next dennis rodman) SF Singler SG Rodney PG Billups (neither wb or siva is good enough to be a backup pg)

  • Nov 30, 20131:54 pm
    by Otis

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    Tim, I’d love to see a moratorium on complaints about the refs until this team proves itself worthy of respect. “Fair” or not, you’re only going to encourage the fools who think this is a good team if only they played Datome (naturally these fucking clowns fail to recognize that they’ve tried this) or bench Bynum (tried this too, you f*cking twits), and anyone else who thinks there is something wrong with the team other than it being poorly constructed and poorly coached. It’s sort of like when Stuckey used to plow his way to missed layups possession after possession and never get calls. He should never have expected to get those calls, so he needed to adjust. If he showed more control and maturity he’d get the calls, and lately he does. This may have been a close game, even a “toss up” (though these Pistons have an almost perfect track record of losing them because they always fold) but this wasn’t one of those hard fought games where both teams played well and the refs were the only difference.
     
    When a team is constitutionally incapable of making a basket outside the paint, you can’t continue like this. It’s maddening. I made similar comments after they steamrolled Maccabi Haifa and made something like zero shots outside the paint as well. It’s terrifying. You can not win like this. The best you can do is play skeleton crew teams missing their best players down to the wire and choke it away. And blaming the refs, especially in the banner, only distracts from that. The calls will come when this team is no longer constructed like complete shit.

    • Nov 30, 20132:01 pm
      by Otis

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      One more thing: Blaha and Kelser made this fuss about “you live by the three, you can die by the three” as if being ABLE to make a three pointer was the problem with teams who die by the three. When you have good shooters who get open looks, they’re shooting it with confidence and they go in more than enough. Those jackasses weigh points in the paint against threes and act like just because paint points are higher percentage shots, that’s just plain the way to go. But you HAVE to be able to score outside the paint. 29 minutes!? It’s utter madness. I really hate Blaha, I can tell he gets on Kelser’s nerves at times (though K does a good job of masking it and being cordial) and I’m this close to just watching games on mute from now on. Blaha is the worst kind of fan. Mark Champion does a very entertaining, reasonably unbiased call, and he’s phenomenal. And when Mahorn is disappointed, he’s not afraid to let you know it. I really appreciate those guys.

      • Nov 30, 20137:27 pm
        by zdwtr

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        I agree with your comment on blaha otis. He is commenting as if the situation is perfectly normal when its not. But I see it as more absurdity than a problem. Its fun to laugh at absurdity sometimes. 
        I agree also with the viewpoint on the correction should be made from the top. But given the talent we have on this team. Shouldn’t it be more acceptable if the coaching staff stick with one paradigm. keep the same starter that fits the needs. We recognize the problem is with our perimeter shooting and defending the three. 
        Knowing monroe hitting the midrange and smith shooting 3s not gonna help maybe they should change the fwd composition to gigi, smith and dre. make the moose coming off the bench. stick with this plan for more than five games and see where its heading, Maybe the three can also be occupy by singler although I think hes the same liability on d as gigi. Just look at the way he guarded nick young yesterday. 

  • Nov 30, 20132:06 pm
    by Hook Shot

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    Granted this is a limited sample size, but Cheeks doesn’t adjust well and his substitution patterns are bizarre. Tony mitchell has the athletisism to play the 3 and can help defensively. Is Cheeks getting help from his assistants?????

    • Nov 30, 20134:36 pm
      by Otis

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      Friend, I agree with your first sentence, but the fact that playing Tony Mitchell at the 3 is your only firm suggestion makes me wonder who is writing this and what you could possibly be thinking. I’m not going to get too deep into why that suggestion is so bizarre. Suffice it to say, we have enough floor spacing problems as it is before we plug Tony Mitchell in at small forward. We have enough to complain about with Smith at the three.
       
      I am going to personally beg you to please stop suggesting that our ninth, tenth, eleventh man is the difference between this team winning and losing games. End of the bench players will never be the answer to any long term questions. Start at the top (GM) and go down from there.

      • Nov 30, 20138:04 pm
        by gmehl

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        There Otis hoes again trying to save the world from idiotic thoughts. There will always be a couple man :-)

        • Nov 30, 20138:51 pm
          by gmehl

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          Ha ha…’hoes’. Damn iPad

  • Nov 30, 20135:58 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    So far all the new players and coaches seem to be making sure they fulfill all the concerns we had of them coming in.  Josh Smith is really better at PF. His shot to unreliable for SF and can’t really guard those better at the SF position. Chauney Billups is pretty much done.  B Jennings is still leaning the point and Mo Cheeks is not a very good x and o or substitution coach.  Some can be fixed:  Josh Smith can play more at  the 4 if the rotation is handled right, 3 good bigs is not a problem if there minutes are handled right and egos are kept in check. I have even thought about Monroe coming off the bench ala K Mchale.   Jennings has showed signs, assists are up and i think we need to give him time.  Stuckey is playing better (maybe his best) but it is fools gold. He has never been consistent and his shot is not good enough that teams will  loading up on his drives late in the games. But the real issues are shooters and the coach: BOTH fall at the feel a J Dumars.  He still has an unbalanced roster and he picked another ” Comfortable ” for him coach that not good enough to see this squad develop as it should,  We still need a REAL dynamic small forward that can SHOOT.   Also really at this point giving time to CB and CV or anyone else over developing younger players is a waste of time based on the JD usual over valuing what this team is, It not really much of a playoff team (though might get in) but a team that under development.
     
     

  • Nov 30, 201311:45 pm
    by Hook shot

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    Hey Otis
    Not that I don’t think as deeply as you do, but I have already surmised like a lot of the guys here that the big frontline is a failure, we lack adequate perimeter players to defend and shoot the deep ball consistently ,and our coaching staff cannot make the adjustments necessary to  win games. My idea of Tony Mitchell at the 3 is based on the observation he appears quicker than Smith and he may have a chance at stopping/slowing down some of the athletic wings in the conference. Short of a trade, there is little chance to better the team at this point(?Monroe).  

  • Dec 1, 201312:27 am
    by Matt

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    Too many players without a defined role. Too many not playing their natural position. Too many think defense is optional. It doesn’t matter what the refs do you won’t win like this. Moose should be 6th man I don’t see what the big deal in doing this is. He can be our Ginobli. Granted most teams do this with SGs but you have to do whats right for the team not player. We’re not going to make a trade due to wanting flexibility in the offseason and with 12 awful teams in the east we’re not getting that pick so Cheeks is stuck with this mess. Only trade I see is Charlie V but not until the deadline. We’d probably do better if players played their natural position rather than Moose, Smith, Chauncey, Datome at PF, Harrelson trying to post up, and many others. It doesn’t make to tell the majority of the team to forget everything they’ve ever done and move to a new position and play a completely different style. Thats not realistic for success. Only one who should switch roles is Jennings and he’s done well.

    • Dec 1, 201310:41 am
      by T Casey

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      The problem with moving Monroe to the bench is he is our most efficient offensive player and arguably our best all around player. With Ginobl and Harden, their teams were talented enough to bench those guys because they already had 2 better, hall of fame bound players who could carry the load in the starting lineup.
       
      Right now, Monroe is our best all around offensive player. He’s scoring the most points on the team at a very efficient 52% on the season. Smith and Jennings are shooting 39% and 38% respectively. Now there are obviously other actors at play, but, simply put, if you move Monroe to the bench, you’ll be getting less 52% shooting and more 39%and 38% shooting.  That’s not a recipe for success. Then factoring in Drummonds inability to score and KCP’s struggles and that starting lineup is going to struggle more than it is now in favor of a moderate bump in bench production because Stuckey is most likely gonna be the offensive focal point off the bench as usual.

      • Dec 1, 201312:10 pm
        by T Casey

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        *That was supposed to be “factors at play” not “actors at play”

        • Dec 1, 20131:09 pm
          by Matt

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          Monroe would still play 30ish minutes a game so getting his offence on the floor wouldn’t be a problem. I think we’d benefit just by having players play their natural position. Having 2 of our best players come off the bench would be a testament to how poorly built we are. Unfortunately this would also mean Singler starts at SF again but he plays starter minutes anyway. Man if only we had a… a… italian MVP that plays SF and shoots 3s. Too bad. I’d start Datome and KCP and have Moose, Stuckey, and Chauncey as backup PG since he’s proven to suck at SG. Singler and Harrellson or Jerebko can round out the rotation. Any backup big would only play 5-10 anyway so thats not important. I just feel like right now we want to play our best 5 but the don’t fit so thats out. Greg Popovic has already proven any player can do well if allowed to play their natural position in their natural role so if we can get players back to doing the things that got them to the NBA in first place we’d benefit, theoretically.

          • Dec 1, 20132:50 pm
            by T Casey

            I see what you’re getting at, but I just don’t think Moose is enough of a focal point offensively for us to get much productivity out of him coming off the bench. When Stuckey’s in the game, the offense becomes mostly iso’s for him and if Monroe’s playing most of his minutes alongside that, I don’t see him being very productive. Much of that is his fault for not being assertive enough demanding the ball.
            My main concern is allowing Jennings and Smith more of a green light with Monroe out of the starting lineup to keep hoisting up bad shots. Smith’s shooting % may increase at pf, but there’s no reason for it to have dropped as low as it has. His insistence on shooting 4 plus 3′s a game is his problem. 
            And I wouldn’t use Popovic as an example. He’s one of the greatest all around coaches ever. Cheeks can’t even get solid defensive performances out of a lineup that screams very well suited to be a defensive powerhouse, much less get the team to get the ball to their most effective offensive player. Cheek’s just doesn’t have the x’s and o’s to get that kind of production out of his entire team.

          • Dec 1, 20133:05 pm
            by T Casey

            Nevermind the last part. I missed the “theoretically” bit. 

  • Dec 1, 201311:16 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    One thing we know is he won’t fire cheeks in the middle of the season

    • Dec 1, 20131:16 pm
      by Matt

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      He also won’t trade Stuckey or admit he’s wrong about 2 Cs and a PF being a good thing. He also won’t jeopardise our cap space in the offseason. So not too many options left unless someone REALLY likes a Singler and villinueva combo which would be hard to believe.

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