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Kyle Singler ahead of Luigi Datome in rotation

Maurice Cheeks on Kyle Singler, via Keith Langlois of Pistons.com:

“Kyle’s going to be on the floor,” Cheeks said. “We know that. He’s going to be on the floor.”

“Bobby Jones was a no-nonsense guy, just came in and played, got eight to 10 points, was always a defensive stopper, always guarded the best three man, sometimes four man, and just always knew what you were going to get,” Cheeks said. “He has those same qualities as Bobby – and Bobby was pretty good.”

Cheeks on Luigi Datome, via Langlois:

“There are times where guys in practice make you take a look at them and make you think about giving them more minutes and maybe he’s a guy like that and maybe not,” Cheeks said of Datome. When you’re on the active roster, you always have a chance to play. His opportunity can come, but he’s a little set back because of his injury right now.”

So, Singler reminds Cheeks of a five-time All-Star (four NBA, one ABA), and Datome is only sometimes making Cheeks consider maybe giving him more minutes. Maybe.

I find those quotes pretty telling.

Datome has been injured, so that at least somewhat explains why he’s behind, but he’s still behind.

More preseason games remain, including tonight against the Bulls, but at this point, I’d be surprised Singler is left out of the rotation and Datome makes it.

34 Comments

  • Oct 16, 20136:36 pm
    by CNA5

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    There’s bound to be a learning curve for Datome- especially on the defensive end.  Most European teams play predominantly zone defenses.  In the NBA, teams still play mostly man. 
    I hope he picks things up quickly.  His jumper can really help this team.
     
     

  • Oct 16, 20137:02 pm
    by Erik

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    I think the raised expectations (playoffs bound) for this team after free agency and trade of Jennings will likely pressure coach to go with the known quantities over potential. So KCP and Datome will likely rarely sniff honest minutes unless injuries or trades dictate their use.

    I’m not saying it’s the wrong approach. But I for one am far more interested in seeing the new guys get heavy rotation minutes. I could care less if Bynum, Jonas, Singler, Stuck or Villy ever play again for the Pistons.

  • Oct 16, 20137:48 pm
    by RyanK

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    The BS machine that is pistons.com always builds up guys.  I’ve learned that very little of optimistic information posted on there is reliable.  I’m convinced Langlois suits up as hooper during games…it’s that bias.

    I made the point that Luigi was nothing and the know-it-alls on here blasted it.  Where are those guys now?  The ones who were so convinced that we needed outside shooting too bad for him to be out of the rotation.

    • Oct 16, 20138:15 pm
      by gmehl

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      For crying out loud where not even half way through the preseason and your already giving up on Datome. The guy has been injured and is a mature aged NBA rookie so i’m sure if he bides his time his chance will come. I for one am excited to see him play and if we are to make the playoffs then our outside shooters like him, KCP and even CV will need to all make an impact.

    • Oct 16, 201310:14 pm
      by CNA5

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      lol… it’s a bit early to say he’s nothing.  This guy was MVP in what is generally regarded as the third best league in the world (behind NBA and Spanish).  

      Dumars signed him to a 2 year $3.5M deal.  If you throw out that coin for a guy in his mid 20s that’s not a big, it usually means that you think he has the talent to cut it in the NBA.

      Do I expect he’ll be a rotation player?  Yes.  But, there’s a learning curve.  If I had to guess, he’s probably slow on the pick and roll defensively.  Because teams play so much zone, it takes time to know where everyone is and what to do.  Add into that the speed of the game, it’s not surprising he’s behind.

      Considering he’s missed the last two preseason games, I think it’s safe to say injury’s a factor.  Even if he’s nothing like you claimed, he would still get preseason minutes because, well, everyone gets preseason minutes. 

      I have no idea if he’ll pan out.  I certainly don’t think he’s a starter in the NBA.  But, give him a chance to get healthy and actually acclimate to the NBA game before you start saying how awful he is. 

      • Oct 17, 20131:30 am
        by gmehl

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        “I certainly don’t think he’s a starter in the NBA”

        We don’t need him to be a starter, we just need him to be able to come in for 15 or so minutes a game and knock down some 3s. That and be able to at least hold his own on defence which you’d hope he’ll be able to do. If he’s hurt his hamstring like what was reported then that can be  3-4 week injury depending on what grade tear it is. We NEED this guy to have a 3pt shooting impact or we could be f**ked in that department. On that not it was good to see KCP hit some shooting form.

        • Oct 17, 20138:36 am
          by CNA5

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          Absolutely.  A 3, a stop, and a 3 is a 6-0 run.  That can be huge in a game against Indiana or any other team that likes to clog the lane.
          You’re right about the hamstring.  He might not be healthy until the opener or so.
           
           

    • Oct 17, 201311:05 am
      by oats

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      I’m one of the ones that argued that Datome would get play time. I’ve always thought that he would likely begin the season behind Singler, and quite likely out of the rotation. I also have always thought that over time he would adjust to the NBA game a bit and shoot well enough to force the team to just play the guy. This news just means that he isn’t forcing his way into the lineup sooner than I’d expected.

  • Oct 17, 20131:07 am
    by Mike

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    Isn’t it funny how white dudes can only be compared to other white dudes.  Singler’s just like this other skinny, shaggy hair white guy.  

  • Oct 17, 20131:43 am
    by Ryan

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    That is funny but it’s also a reasonable comparison in this case. I don’t know if Kyle Singler can reach that type of ceiling or not but he is generally a similar type of player. He reminds me a bit of Shane Battier and Jared Dudley with his high basketball IQ, solid overall game and general size. If he can start to reach Battier’s level as a defender and shoot a little more like Dudley he’ll be a really valuable sixth man.

    Checked out Milwaukee’s box score and saw that Khris Middleton and Brandon Knight both had good games. I would so happily undo the the trade for Brandon Jennings… really our free agent and trade moves have been horrible this summer. Gores must’ve really wanted mediocre.

    Knight, Peyton Siva, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Khris Middleton, Kyle Singler, Jonas Jerebko, Tony Mitchell, Greg Monroe, Andre Drummond… that was a really exciting, athletic young core and we would’ve had the money to pay most of them as they came off of rookie deals… still can’t believe how badly Gores screwed us.

    • Oct 17, 201310:03 am
      by tarsier

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      You think two nice big men and a bunch of scrubs are an exciting core?

      Heck, how do you include all those guys in the term “core”? That’s nine players. The 9th man on a team would be lucky to get 10-15 minutes. Do you really call guys who are hoping to maybe play 15 minutes occasionally “core”?

    • Oct 17, 201311:18 am
      by Mark

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      Did you watch Knight as a Piston?  Sure he would have a decent box score from time to time.  The problem was that there would be big gaps between them.  I tried to get on board with Knight but he would drive me up a wall 3 out of every 4 games.

    • Oct 18, 20138:05 am
      by Tone

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      Knight has the upside and potential but low basketball IQ and is inconsistent, takes bad shots, has a SG mentality more than a PG. Siva is very overhyped it’s a reason we got him at 53 in the draft. Middleton at best would probably average 7 off the bench. Mitchell reminds me a lot of Maxiell high energy and motor but undersized for his position. Jerebko is trade bait. Singler seems like he’ll be consistent he is a fundamentally sound player good IQ.

    • Oct 18, 20138:08 am
      by Tone

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      KCP is clearly our SG of the future. Dre is untouchable (won’t be traded) has plenty of upside looks like he could be the next Dwight Howard. Moose as much as I hate to say it will likely be traded hopefully in a deal go get Kevin Love or LaMarcus Aldridge.

      • Oct 21, 20139:15 am
        by tarsier

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        KCP has the most upside of any SG on the Pistons’ roster. But “clearly our SG of the future”? Come on now. If he absolutely maxes out, he’ll be a Wes Matthews/Jimmy Butler/Danny Green. Those guys are really nice to have, but they are also expendable. And that’s IF he plays to his max. So far all he’s shown us is that he is a decent defender and a prolific shooter who doesn’t hit a whole lot.

  • Oct 17, 20133:02 am
    by JGoplay

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    Look at Knight’s and Middleton’s previous games before that. They’re still the inconsistent players they were for Detroit. Don’t get too excited over a game. 

  • Oct 17, 20135:16 am
    by Some Dude

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    I’m a Singler supporter, but he needs to play a bit smarter. He take the ball to the hole and gets called for offensive fouls too often. He needs to know when to the rock. He had a open Drummond dunk on a fastbreak last night but kept it and just steam rolled over the defender. Not sure what he was thinking but I hope to learns unless he can rise up and jump over the defender that’s not gonna work. He just seems a bit clumsy, but I’ll forgive him since it’s only preseason.

    • Oct 17, 20135:17 am
      by Some Dude

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      * dish the rock…

  • Oct 17, 201311:52 am
    by Huddy

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    Cheeks really didn’t say anything ground breaking or absolute about Datome’s place on the team.  He is a guy that needs to get acclimated to a new league and  he is missing out on a great opportunity to do so in preseason because of injury.  This is an obvious set back, but in no way changes his potential on the team.  If the team is winning and others are stepping up and shooting from outside like KCP, Singler, Billups or Smith/Monroe have improved shooting then it might vary well be that Datome has a hard time pushing his way in the line up.  If that is the case it will be less about him and more about others proving themselves.  If the team isn’t winning and outside shooting is a concern as the season progresses I would be shocked if Cheeks didn’t at least try and see what Datome can do.
     
    I was more shocked by Cheeks’ comments on Singler.  Since when is he a stopper?  He doesn’t even look like a guy who has the potential to be guarding the oppositions best forward IMO.  He hustles and does a little of everything, but Cheeks went a little over the top on the comparison.  There is a huge difference between a guy who casually puts up 8-10 a game , but can lock down the oppositions best player and a guy who casually puts up 8-10 a game and is an average defender.  The first guy is a 5 time all star and the second guy describes 1-2 players on every team in the league (maybe valuable rotation players, but nothing that special).

    • Oct 17, 20134:39 pm
      by oats

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      Bobby Jones didn’t make the All Star game scoring 8-10 a game. He made it scoring 14-15 a game while also being on the All NBA Defensive First Team. You’re right that his defense was a lot better than Singler, but let’s put this in perspective. Bobby Jones was better at everything. More points, better shooting relative to his era, better rebounding, better passing, more blocks, more steals, and better overall defense. That is literally every facet of the game. It’s not just that his defense was way better than Singler’s that made Jones an All Star, it’s the fact that he was way better at basketball that made him an All Star.

      • Oct 17, 201310:47 pm
        by gmehl

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        Cheeks would’ve been better off just saying that Singler should/could be a heck of a glue guy and left it at that.

      • Oct 18, 201310:00 am
        by Huddy

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        I was just using 8-10 because that was from Cheek’s quote.  The overall point is that the comparison is bad.  If he wanted to say Singler doesn’t have to score 20 a night to have a big impact because he does other things that would be ok, but I don’t really see tremendous defense from Singler so that is still confusing.

  • Oct 17, 20132:25 pm
    by sebastian

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    Mo Cheeks comparison of Singler to Bobby Jones is an apt comparison. In his day, Bobby Jones was a very good 6th-man option for the Sixers; and as I posted more than a few times, during last season, Singler would be a perfect 8th or 9th-man option on OUR roster whenever WE were able to get OUR roster set properly with talented players.
    This should be the season that Singler becomes that 8th or 9th-man option.

    • Oct 17, 20132:40 pm
      by Huddy

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      The comparison is apt because Bobby Jones was a good 6th man and Singler would be a good 8th or 9th man?

      • Oct 17, 20132:49 pm
        by sebastian

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        Yep. If Bobby Jones was playing in today’s NBA he would be a good 8th or 9th-man, too.

        • Oct 17, 20133:02 pm
          by Huddy

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          And by the same logic you think Singler would be a 4 time all star in Bobby Jones time (you know all star teams featuring Isiah Thomas, Robert Parish, Dr. J, Larry Bird, Magic, Kareem, etc.)?  You really think players from that time were considerably worse than now?  Athleticism has changed, but come on now.

          • Oct 17, 20133:49 pm
            by sebastian

            Huddy, good point about the 4-time all-star thing. But, no I don’t think that Bobby Jones would be an All-Star in today’s NBA. But, Zeke, Chief, Dr. J., Larry Legend, Magic, and Kareem would be All-Stars in any era.
            Remember, Bobby Jones was not a member of the 50 Greats, either.
             

        • Oct 17, 20135:22 pm
          by Matt

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          True, but the dude is also 62 years old.

          • Oct 17, 201311:35 pm
            by Ryan

            That’s have to slow him down a bit.
             

  • Oct 18, 20132:03 am
    by Some Dude

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    I really hope Datome can beat out Singler for the rotation minutes at some point. If Singler struggles, and Datome is healthy, just play Datome. He’s just a talent boost, simple as that.

  • Oct 18, 20137:56 am
    by Tone

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    Singler aka the Bucket Man is a very good role player in my opinion and he is durable considering he played all 82 games last season I really like the guy he can play SF/SG I think we will trade Stuckey and Billups will get hurt moving KCP to start and Singler as the backup SG with Datome as the backup SF

  • Oct 18, 20137:58 am
    by Tone

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    I like how people are talking like they would want Singler gone when we should be tryna get rid of Stuckey and Villanueva

  • Oct 18, 20138:24 am
    by Tone

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    My nickname for Datome is the Italian Sniper hoping he shoots good so I can get it to stick also Pistons follow me on Twitter I’m a DIE HARD FAN @Opinionisafact

  • Oct 21, 201312:13 pm
    by Chris E.

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    Datome has played zero minutes through the first six preseason games. You might want to wait until he is at least able to suit up and play before you decide he can’t help the Pistons.

    Also, anyone who has ever seen Datome play knows that this guy can help any NBA team. He can shoot it, pure and simple. What he does will work in any basketball league. Now, whether he can play NBA defense, nobody knows that now. But a pure shooter is a pure shooter, Europe or NBA.   

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