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Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond get workout in win over Wizards

Washington Wizards 96 Final
Recap | Box Score
99 Detroit Pistons
Andre Drummond, C 35 MIN | 4-8 FG | 1-4 FT | 14 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 9 PTS | -8

This wasn’t Drummond’s best effort, and he still had 14 rebounds. His post-ups yielded mixed results, and generally, the key was how deep he got before catching the entry pass. He seemed to get tired late as the Wizards came back, and they took advantage.

Greg Monroe, C 36 MIN | 5-13 FG | 8-10 FT | 7 REB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 18 PTS | -2

Monroe also looked tired late in the third quarter and into the fourth quarter when the Wizards made their run, even more so than Drummond. But Monroe was better throughout the game. When Josh Smith plays – he had the night off to rest – Monroe won’t be depended on to this degree, but it’s nice to see Monroe flash such an all-around game.

Chauncey Billups, PG 32 MIN | 4-10 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 6 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 12 PTS | +1

It seemed Billups deferred to his younger teammates at times, even though he’s better-equipped to run the offense. The veteran clearly understands the point of the preseason. And when Will Bynum and Peyton Siva set him up, Billups delivered, including a key 3-pointer late.

AUBURN HILLS, MI - SEPTEMBER 30:  of the Detroit Pistons poses during media day on September 30, 2013 at The Palace of Auburn Hills in Auburn Hills, Michigan. NOTE TO USER: User expressly acknowledges and agrees that, by downloading and/or using this photograph, User is consenting to the terms and conditions of the Getty Images License Agreement.  Mandatory Copyright Notice: Copyright 2013 NBAE (Photo by Allen Einstein/NBAE via Getty Image Peyton Siva, PG 23 MIN | 2-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 5 PTS | -9

Siva played within his limits, which are still pretty constricting. He’s a rookie second-round pick, after all. Ideally, enough guards will be healthy by opening night to keep Siva on the bench, but if he must join the regular-season rotation, I want him to play like this. Let the better players shoulder the load, defend aggressively and avoid mistakes.

Kyle Singler, SG 25 MIN | 5-10 FG | 1-2 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 14 PTS | -1

Singler has a real knack for getting open. Four of his baskets were assisted and all four by different players (Peyton Siva, Will Bynum, Chauncey Billups and Greg Monroe). This wasn’t a matter of Singler having exceptional chemistry with a single teammate. It was Singler seeing the court well and playing with passers good enough to take advantage.

Josh Harrellson, PF 6 MIN | 1-4 FG | 2-2 FT | 0 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | +13

Made a jumper and a nice pass, but didn’t have an opportunity to make much of an impact.

Tony Mitchell, PF 16 MIN | 4-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 2 BLK | 0 TO | 8 PTS | +2

He looked very good offensively, getting to the rim and even making a jumper. He used his athleticism to more than make up for his occasional defensive positioning issue.

Charlie Villanueva, PF 3 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | 0

Villanueva didn’t play in the second half due to a sore back. Could this injury give Jonas Jerebko a victory in their battle to be the backup power forward?

Jonas Jerebko, PF 23 MIN | 5-7 FG | 0-1 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 11 PTS | +3

For the most part, he worked hard to get good shots, and that’s appreciated. Can I be a little greedy and ask Jerebko to work just as hard at defending and rebounding? His intensity while handling those less-glamorous tasks seemed to pick up as the game went along.

Will Bynum, PG 25 MIN | 5-9 FG | 2-2 FT | 4 REB | 9 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 13 PTS | +13

I figured Drummond was the bigger component in all the great alley-oops he received from Bynum last season, but maybe Bynum deserves more credit for throwing quality lobs. Not only did Bynum connect with Drummond tonight, he also threw oops to Caldwell-Pope and Mitchell.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG 17 MIN | 2-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | +3

Same story as the rest of his preseason and summer league. I liked his defensive effort, and he rebounded well for his position. But he has to make shots. Going 1-for-5 on 3-pointers just won’t cut it, and time is running out to show he’s fixed his jittery shooting

Maurice Cheeks, Coach

Not only did the Pistons have an impressive 29 assists, those came from 23 different passer-finisher combinations. That indicates a true acumen for team-wide ball movement (and tonight, off-ball movement by players) rather than exploiting a particular matchup, and the Pistons need good ball movement to counter the lack of perimeter shooting in their starting lineup. I also liked Cheeks playing Monroe and Drummond big minutes. Those two need to be in shape to handle major roles in the regular season.

33 Comments

  • Oct 23, 20131:34 am
    by jamesjones_det

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    My main problem with KCP (besides shooting) is the way he is standing around in half court offensive sets.  This is the 3rd game I’ve watched him in and it doesn’t seem to be getting any better.  Guys that move get themselves easier shots that usually helps get their outside game going, so far KCP doesn’t seem to be interested in doing that or just isn’t comfortable enough to do it yet (hopefully the latter).  Defensively I can’t praise him enough.
     
    It’s too early to say anything other than I just don’t like what I see so far.  However I am starting to lose faith that he is the guy that is going to be able to help our outside shooting and floor spacing.  Time will tell, hopefully it’s just a slow start for him.

    • Oct 23, 20132:04 am
      by Some dude

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      Obviously it’s a slow start, he’s a rookie so we can’t expect too much too soon. His main problem is simply shot selections, and Billups is working with him on that. But that’s normal for a rookie. It is better than the first few games tho. It’s not that he isn’t moving around enough, it’s that he’s looking for spot up opportunities. He still needs more time, more experience. It might take a month or two, but it’ll come.

    • Oct 23, 201310:24 am
      by Rich

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      This was a problem for him in the summer league, too.  He’s gotta get a bit of Rip Hamilton to his offensive game.

    • Oct 23, 201310:26 am
      by tarsier

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      Just imagine, if the Pistons had lost one or two more games last year, they could have had a third absolute steal of a draft pick in McLemore. Alas, they got Pope.

      • Oct 23, 201310:27 pm
        by Max

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        And it really looked they were going to have a higher draft pick two weeks or so before the end of the regular season.   I have high hopes for KCP as a role player and perhaps elite defender but McLemore looks like a Vince Carter level talent to me.  

        • Oct 23, 201311:37 pm
          by tarsier

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          I’d say McLemore is still a very good bet to be the best player to come out of the draft. He’s like a better version of Brad Beal.

          • Oct 24, 20134:17 am
            by Some Dude

            McLemore was first on my list, and it couldn’t have been possible. The Pistons had the #7 pick, but the lottery balls pushed them back one pick. Oh well, I perfectly fine with KCP. McLemore may have more offensive skills, but I like the complete package KCP offers. And there is no guarantee McLemore will turn out better either. For all we know they could be the same. Allow KCP to find his niche first before we compare.

          • Oct 24, 201310:07 am
            by tarsier

            I’d only give Pope a very slight edge, if that, over McLemore on D. McLemore guarded really well at Kansas.

            Could Pope turn out better than McLemore, sure. But it’s highly unlikely. That’s why I was hoping for more losses. As I pointed out, it would have only required one or two more. Although, as it was, the Pistons could have won like 8 more games and grabbed Pope at 12th or so.

          • Oct 24, 201311:51 am
            by oats

            I have to disagree about McLemore’s D at Kansas. He was the weak link in the starting lineup at least. Johnson, Releford, and Young all took time guarding the best perimeter scoring option. McLemore was often asked to guard the 3rd best perimeter scorer due to who he was playing with, and he usually had the Jeff Withey safety net behind him. I always thought that McLemore looked like an average defender that was on a really good defensive team. Pope is a lot quicker than McLemore, and he does a good job using that speed to his advantage. He presses his man more, he is better at providing help defense, and he is better at closing out on shooters. I haven’t seen enough of the Kings games to actually talk about what he looks like defensively in the pros, but in college I felt that there was a pretty big difference between the two.

  • Oct 23, 20139:58 am
    by Oracle

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    What do you mean time is running short on KCP?  The guy hasn’t even played in a regular season game yet.  He has all season to figure out how to shoot at this level.  It’s not like he’ll be heavily relied upon from the start of the year.

    • Oct 23, 201310:29 am
      by tarsier

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      Have you seen who the Pistons have to play the wing spots? If KCP can’t be relied upon from the start of the season, that’s definitely going to cost Detroit some games.

      Time is running short for Pope in the sense that he can play as poorly as he likes and still get preseason minutes. But if he doesn’t pick things up real soon, he’ll have a tough time getting many regular season minutes any time soon. 

      • Oct 24, 20134:35 pm
        by Oracle

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        He wasn’t drafted to be a savior who pushes them to the playoffs.  That’s why we traded for Jennings, signed Smith, and haven’t traded Monroe.  They’re carrying the weight of taking us to the playoffs. KCP is a role player in year one.  8-16 MPG split between backup 2 and 3.  Watch him start slow and come on as the year progresses.  He may get more important time in the playoffs. He’ll be better at the end of the year, when the team is entering the playoffs.  

        • Oct 24, 20135:07 pm
          by tarsier

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          He wasn’t drafted to carry the team. But the Pistons still need competence out of him. Every win gin Detroit is well below average starter caliber.

    • Oct 23, 201312:41 pm
      by jg22

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      I’m guessing he meant time is running short for him to win a spot in the rotation. Because right now it looks like he’s going to be out once Stuckey/Jennings return. And once you are out, its hard to get back in without PT. So he needs to start showing something on offense to make the coach’s believe that he can play and maybe give him another look.

      I like his defense, but he needs to stop with those 3′s and take the ball inside.

       

    • Oct 23, 20139:05 pm
      by The Guru

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      Preach to them Oracle…

    • Oct 23, 201310:36 pm
      by Max

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      I feel like Dan meant time was running short for the Pistons in terms of having the year they need to have and not on whether KCP will eventually be a good player in the league.  

      In my opinion shooting guard is the weak spot in the Pistons’ blueprint if KCP can’t contribute this year and possibly even if he can only contribute the second half or down the stretch because the Pistons need to make the playoffs.  If not the season will be a cataclysmic failure that could lead to Dumars being fired, all the players being traded and the team starting the rebuilding process all over—incoming GMs usually have no attachment to any of the players or staff they inherit and even worse, in some cases, feel like any good players they have will undermine them since the previous GM gets the credit for them.   So even Drummond wouldn’t be safe from a possible fire sale.  

      • Oct 24, 201311:59 am
        by oats

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        Drummond would be exactly as safe as he is with Dumars. If a new GM traded Drummond and he becomes the kind of star player that he appears capable of being, that GM is fired. He will then always be labeled the guy that gave away Drummond. It doesn’t matter who the GM is, it takes a ridiculous haul to pry him out of Detroit.

        • Oct 24, 20134:50 pm
          by Max

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          You might be right but you might not.   For one thing, if the Pistons don’t make the playoffs then Drummond probably didn’t have the breakout year many are expecting and his stock will go down.  Either way though, I don’t want a ridiculous haul for Drummond unless Kevin Durant is coming back in the trade and that’s not happening.  Also, new GMs tend to have about five years to turn things around and I could easily see Drummond traded by a new GM for a more established star and some draft picks if the new GM is intent on blowing everything up to bring in a full roster of his own players.  The argument would be that after a failed season with Drummond’s stock going down by at least a bit that he should be traded before his value goes down any further.  

  • Oct 23, 201310:29 am
    by Rich

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    Couple comments:

    Harrellson actually played great man-to-man defense during his limited minutes.  Two consecutive post-ups against him yielded a harmless lateral pass and a turnover.  Another time, he got switched on a perimeter player and didn’t allow him to get to the basket, forcing another harmless lateral pass.

    Drummond needs to settle down on offense.  Yes, he’s going to get fouled if he’s near the basket.  Yes, he sucks at shoot free throws.  But if he’s going to hurry his shot to avoid getting fouled, it’s going to result in ugly looking rushed bricks like he put up more than once in the 5-8 foot range.  He may not want to go to the foul line, but he’s got to risk it rather than throwing up weak sauce that isn’t going to go in anyway.

  • Oct 23, 201312:37 pm
    by jg22

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    Poor evaluation of Harrelson. He was great.

    • Oct 23, 20131:58 pm
      by sebastian

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      Rich and jg22 are right J.H. (“Jorts”) played very decently, during the time he was on the floor. He shot the ball with confidence from the floor and the line. He moved to different spots on the floor, setting nice firm picks.
      Jorts’ grade should be much higher than a D+. I would say a solid B for the minutes that he played.

    • Oct 23, 20132:00 pm
      by tarsier

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      just how great can you be in 6 minutes?

      • Oct 24, 201310:23 am
        by Vic

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        Harrelson was REALLY good for the 6 minutes he was in. 

        4 points, 2 assists… spaced the floor and let the offense breath. 

        For a team with a need for outside shooting and smart passing, Harrelson is really being very underutilized.

        If I were coach, anytime Bynum or Stuckey or Siva were on the floor, I’d make sure 2 other shooters were on the floor. Singler, Datome, or Harrelson.

        Its really not smart how he’s not being used. 

        • Oct 24, 201312:43 pm
          by oats

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          4 points but he went 1-4 from the field, so it actually took 5 possessions to get those 4 points. He also had 0 rebounds. That is some bad shooting and bad rebounding. I can’t see how that adds up to a really good 6 minutes.

  • Oct 23, 20132:21 pm
    by Brandon

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    Poor evaluation of both Siva and Harrellson.  For someone who missed nearly two weeks of training camp and preseason games due to injury AND played no five on five since Summer League, Siva is doing just fine.   Louisville fans never believed he deserved to be late second round in the first place.  Apparently Mo Cheeks and the rest of the coaching staff see something in Siva you don’t or won’t.  

    As for Harrelson,  I’m no Kentucky fan, but I like him.  He played well, good defense and 4 points in 6 minutes.   I’m not ashamed to put aside bias when I see something special in a player. You’re wrong about Siva and Harrellson. 

    • Oct 24, 201310:41 am
      by Huddy

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      Dan is right on the money saying Siva needs to play within himself.  His previous performance he was asked to shoulder pretty much the entire PG burden and he ended up with 9TOs.  In this game he played half the time, but didn’t try to do too much so he at least didn’t end up negatively effecting the team.  Who cares where Louisville fans think he should have been drafted?  29 Professional Basketball Programs passed on him twice, which is far more telling of his NBA ability than what fans of his college team think.  There are certainly some examples of late round picks exceeding expectations, but it is much more likely that his detractors are right about limiting how much floor time he gets than it is likely that his fans from college are right that he is NBA ready.

  • Oct 23, 20135:05 pm
    by gmehl

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    Did anyone else find the small profile picture of Siva hilarious?

    • Oct 23, 20135:33 pm
      by tarsier

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      His head could fit in Cheeks’ mouth.

  • Oct 23, 201310:11 pm
    by Chris N.

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    “and time is running out to show he’s fixed his jittery shooting”

    Well, that was fast.  One summer league and a preseason and time has nearly run out on the 20 year old rookie.  

    But what does that mean?  How much time does he have to show he’s fixed his “jittery shooting”?  What happens if he doesn’t?  Does he get benched?

    My take?  I think he’ll continue to have opportunities to play in the rotation in the early part of the season.  Even though his shot is not falling, he does well enough on the boards and on D to merit playing time, especially in with the injuries to both Stuckey and Jennings.

     

  • Oct 23, 201310:39 pm
    by James Haliburton

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    Harrellson is an immediate backup big, first off the bench-type player. However, will it be palatable if KCP never becomes more than a John Salmons type of player? I can’t see much more out of him than that. His athleticism, or lack thereof just doesn’t impress me so far. Mitchell on the other hand, looks like a definite keeper.

  • Oct 24, 201310:26 am
    by Vic

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    5 bigs that should play in the regular season.

    Drummond
    Monroe
    Smith 
    Harrelson
    Mitchell

    For a team with 3 non shooting pgs, if Harrelson doesn’t get some minutes they aren’t doing it right.
     

  • Oct 24, 201312:33 pm
    by pistons moribund

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    The pistons went from no guards to too point guards.
    BJ point
    CB point
    MFWB point
    Siva point
    Stuckey combo
    KCP SG
    Singler SG/SF
    There is no balance on this team and a dearth of wing players.  There are maybe two player that can play the wing in their correct position, KCP and Singler.  Jerebko is a PF who plays a bit outside of himself which makes him worse.  Perks of being the best player on a JV Sweden team.  
    Would be a coup if we can trade away CV, MFWB, and Stuck.  At least two will be gone after this year.  CB will probably retire too.
    Going to be an interesting season.
     

    • Oct 24, 20134:53 pm
      by Max

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      Datome is another natural wing though he might be strictly a small forward and I believe Stuckey is in his correct position at either guard.

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