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Watch Pistons introduce Josh Smith

The Pistons’ news conference to introduce Josh Smith, scheduled to begin at 1 p.m., is live-streaming on the team website.

68 Comments

  • Jul 10, 20131:25 pm
    by Moonchild

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    Enjoying this Josh Smith press conference….They asked him about his other options  his response “I had no other options, Detroit was the only team I wanted to play for, nothing else mattered”…..

    • Jul 10, 20131:34 pm
      by frankie d

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      he told the truth in that first statement.
      he had no other options as the market for him had dried up.
      no one, except detroit, was going anywhere near him for the money he wanted.  and as it turned out, he didn’t get anywhere near the money he really wanted.
      i heard him say, specifically, that he thought he was a max player.
      obviously, no one else agrees.
      dumars is lost.
      talking about the way the league has evolved, he misses or neglects so much of what is really going on in the league, like the dominance of 3 point shooting.  he talks about players playing different positions, without talking about what those players actually do on the court.
      when i would watch the hawks i would always think that  smith was an excellent player, but i was glad he was not on the team i followed, as his shot selection drove me, a non-hawks fan, crazy.
      unfortunately, pistons’ fans are now going to have to endure 4 years of smith jacking up bad shots at crucial times.
      only good thing is that at least he has enough courage – unlike a guy like lamarcus aldridge – to take tough shots.
      too bad he doesn’t have better judgment about what constitutes a good or bad shot.
      what a mess! 

      • Jul 10, 20131:51 pm
        by Tony J AD1 for 3!!!

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        Yes but the heat brings their shooters off the bench, Memphis has one good 3 point shooter in Conley then the rest of the shooters come off the bench, The Spurs have Danny Green and Kawhi then the rest of the shooters come off the bench, Indiana has 2 starters with a reliable 3 point shot in Hill and George. All 4 of these teams made it to their conferance finals and all have something in common. They have no more than 2 reliable 3 point shooters. The Pistons have CV31, Luigi, Middleon and even Singler who can step out and hit the 3 off the bench. I wouldn’t worry too much about the 3 point shooting.

        As for his good and bad shots, some of that come with coaching too. A player doesn’t just go out there and shoot shoot shoot. There has to be a driving force telling them to shoot. And if he wasn’t asked to shoot then sit him on the bench. I think the coach should take some blame for those shots as well.   

        • Jul 10, 20132:24 pm
          by frankie d

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          about smith’s bad shots…
          nonsense.
          it was well publicized and discussed in atlanta media.  woodson often, as delicately as he could, talked about taking good shots.  he even convinced smith to only take 7 3 pointers one year.  that only lasted for one year.
          smith’s decisions about taking lots of long shots – even though he didn’t make them – was clearly a decision he was making on the court, during the flow of the game and it was clearly contrary to what coaches wanted him to do.
          however, he was, arguably, the hawks best player.  i’m sure it was just something woodson had to live with, though it seemed to be a constant source of irritation and conflict between coach and player. 

          • Jul 10, 20132:41 pm
            by Tony J AD1 for 3!!!

            You make a valid point but telling someone to stop shooting bad shots only goes a long way. Best player or not if he was started to make bad decisions then yank him out of the game and make it clear that if he wants to be out there on the court he has to make better decisions. He may have been the best player but those shots were hurting the team more than helping them. It may seem a little harsh but Im hoping Cheeks has a backbone and tell Smith straight up that he either make sound decisions or watch from the sidelines.

          • Jul 10, 20133:06 pm
            by frankie d

            unfortunately, cheeks’ manner of handling players is going to be the worst possible one for smith.
            cheeks tends to just let his guys freelance offensively.  he rarely calls plays or imposes his will from the bench on his team’s offense.  his approach is to let guys do what they want as long as they play defense.
            that will probably mean that smith will have license to shoot whatever kind of shots he wants to shoot.
            which will be a problem. 

        • Jul 10, 20134:26 pm
          by joe dumars

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          Indiana, Memphis, and Miami all have big men that have reliable mid range game unlike the big men in Detroit which is a big problem. People seem to ignore that simple fact.

      • Jul 10, 20132:55 pm
        by Huddy

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        Joe didn’t talk about 3pt shooting in the league, but it doesn’t really apply.  It is important and like the guy below said a lot of teams use role players for that not stars.  It is not as if there was some big free agent dead eye shooter available…the team added talent and the KCP draft addresses shooting so its not like Joe is avoiding that (plus the italian guy).
         
        He pretty clearly discussed how players have different roles like Lebron playing 1-4 and how Smith was versatile to guard 2-4 and such…this was a press conference introducing Josh Smith, not Joe Dumars taking a verbal exam about today’s NBA.

  • Jul 10, 20131:27 pm
    by acr

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    I liked his demeanor – soft spoken yet confident, a little self-deprecating with the guarding Kobe story.  Seems to really want to step into a leadership role too.  I’m really psyched about our defense for next year.  Now, about those shooters…

    • Jul 10, 20131:37 pm
      by Moonchild

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      im right there with you, hopefully the Luigi is legit…I have a couple friends who play in the Italian league and they both co-signed him, for whatever that is worth…..But yeah, I hope we use at least one other roster spot on a knock down shooter.

      • Jul 10, 20134:19 pm
        by acr

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        I hope that he’s legit too.  I agree, I’d be more comfortable with at least one more proven shooter though.  I’m cautiously optimistic about J. Smith though – dude’s a baller, despite his suspect shot selection at times.  I’m hoping that our defense can get us a lot of fast break points, which would hopefully mitigate any offense problems that we may have in the half-court.

  • Jul 10, 20131:37 pm
    by Otis

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    I had a hard time streaming it, but I like what I heard. Seemed mature and so on. One thing that stuck out and made me groan was when he said Monroe could hit outside shots. I saw Ben Wallace make a three pointer once. That doesn’t mean he’s a three point shooter.
     
    I give Smith-Monroe-Drummond very little chance of success at the 3-4-5, but I LOVE the options the team has once that experiment crashes and burns. I’ll breathe a lot easier after this team escapes handing Monroe a max contract.

    • Jul 10, 20133:02 pm
      by Huddy

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      From what I have seen Smith can keep up with most SFs because of his athleticism so I think offensively the big frontline is flawed, but defensive it could dominate.  Long arms, clogged lane, quick tall guards..seems like a nightmare for opposing teams, plus there should be added offensive rebound and garbage buckets that will help on offense.  If those 3 play 15 min a game together, but those 15 min are locked down D I don’t see the problem.

      • Jul 10, 20138:47 pm
        by Max

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        Pistons fans have forgotten that it is possible to win ugly.  

        • Jul 10, 20138:58 pm
          by Huddy

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          There’s too much focus on who the team can be like.  in recent history no one is beating the heat…maybe a new look is necessary.

  • Jul 10, 20131:39 pm
    by Sergio Fried Chicken

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    Shooting will be fine Kcp can shoot and we have Luigi we will be ok.

  • Jul 10, 20131:40 pm
    by Lee

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    It’s not a mess, the season hasnt even started and the offseason isnt even over. It’ll be one of the best seasons we’ve had in years, lighten up.

  • Jul 10, 20131:40 pm
    by Tony J AD1 for 3!!!

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    Not too bad. I wish that these press conferances would last longer though.

    Josh seems like quite the character. Good sense of humor and seemed like he knew a bit about Detroit basketball and our history. I also had a sense that he was a bit nervous but that was just a random thought that popped into my head haha.

    As for Joe, I think he answered the questions thoughtfully. He did bring up a decent point about versatility in the NBA now. Many players in the league have the ability to play 2 maybe 3 and even 4 positions now. I also like the fact that Smith guarded Kobe. That eases my worries as to if he can keep up wih SF’s in the league.

    Lastly, I know a lot of people worry about floor spacing but look at the silver lining. We now have a young and exciting team that LOVES to run the floor. All of our starters love to run the fast break and are athletic albeit Moose. Just imagine the defense of Knight, KCP, Smith and Drummond leading to a steal or block and an easy fast break dunk. My mouth is watering to see this team next year. Let’s not also forget that we have athletic players in Slava, Jonas, Mitchell and Siva on the bench as well. I honestly wouldn’t worry about the 3 point shooting. I can see this team operating like the heat who don’t have a reliable 3 point shooter in the starting lineup except Chalmers. The heat brings their shooters off the bench and the pistons have shooters in CV31, Luigi, Middleton and even Singler on the bench. The heats strong point on offense is running their opponents out of the building and the 3 point shot when the second unit comes in. I can see the Pistons being similar to that albeit with less talent.

    • Jul 10, 20132:37 pm
      by frankie d

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      the league has a long history of versatile lineups.
      look at the sonics from 1978-79.  or the lakers of the ’80s.  those lakers teams often had 4 guys around 6’8″ or 6’9″ with byron scott at 6’4″.  pat riley intentionally built those teams with that kind of versatility on mind and teams adjusted accordingly.  magic played all over the court, just as lebron does now.
      again, back in the ’80′s.  30 years ago.
      if this season proved anything it was that every kind of team could effectively play against any kind of team.
      miami is unique because of lebron.  just as the lakers were unique with a jumbo point guard like magic.
      imho, joe would be a lot better off if he’s stop chasing the latest league trend and just concentrate on assembling the best roster he can, considering his core, drummond and monroe.
      this fan just doesn’t see how he will often be able to get his best 3 players – smith, monroe and drummond – on the floor at the same time.  especially in crunch time.
      just a thought, but if i’m putting together a team, i want to be able to, most times, have my best players on the floor together, especially with the game on the line.
      with this current roster, there will be plenty of times when one of those guys – smith, monroe, drummond – will be sitting, while a game is being decided.
      that is a problem. 

      • Jul 10, 20132:55 pm
        by Tony J AD1 for 3!!!

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        Valid argument Frankie. That’s one thing I am a bit weary about as well (in regards to the Smith and DrumRoe being on the court at the same time.) I hope this does come together. If not, then someone might have to be traded.

        • Jul 10, 20138:52 pm
          by Max

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          You can talk about crunch time Frankie but coaches don’t seem to think like you.   I can’t understand it but coaches who know more about basketball than us saw fit to sit Hibbert and Duncan in crunch time and I don’t think the Heat would have won the title if the coaches had just played the best players in crunch time.  

  • Jul 10, 20131:45 pm
    by Gordbrown

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    It’s an impossible question to answer – “what did other teams offer you?” I thought he handled it well, that he felt most comfortable with Detroit and he didn’t want to go anywhere else (but then again, what else was he going to say). I think Smith thinks in his mind that his best position is at small forward and he is perhaps determined to prove that. As long as he is willing to be a 3 and doesn’t come to see himself as a 2, it should work out (no guarantees in this life). I believe that, in the end, the success of this move it will come down to Monroe and Smith’s abilities to pass in a more motion-like offense. If they can achieve that and also run in the open court, things will work out. If not, batten down for the hurricane of “I-told-you-sos”

  • Jul 10, 20132:02 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    negative fan thread i see

    • Jul 10, 20132:08 pm
      by Jack56

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      LOL…negative fan thread from the guy who has I HATE FRANK as his name…funny

      • Jul 10, 20139:33 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        Frank was not a upgrade from day one!

  • Jul 10, 20132:07 pm
    by Pimp Zombie

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    Mark my words…He will Start at PF and Drummond will be a 6th man of the year canidate…then when Monroe’s again foolishly asks for a MAX extension this summer, we will let him walk and insert Drummond into the starting lineup, by then he will be ready to be a more seasoned beast.

    • Jul 10, 20132:09 pm
      by Pimp Zombie

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      or we will trade monroe at the trade deadline….

    • Jul 10, 20132:39 pm
      by GEORGIO

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      Mark my words, Drummond will start at center and not come off the bench, and I have not seen anywhere that Monroe has asked for a MAX extension, where do you people get this bogus info from then go around spreading it like it’s fact. Sad

      • Jul 10, 20133:32 pm
        by Pimp Zombie

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        Calm your tits, ‘Georgio’…I meant to type “AGENT”, not “AGAIN”. An if you think Monroe wont ask for a MAX contract in a world wher eRoy Hibbert makes MAX money, then you are the sad one.

        • Jul 10, 20134:12 pm
          by GEORGIO

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          I’ll worry about it WHEN it happens and I certainly won’t trade him because he MIGHT ask for a max contract. Josh Smith WANTED a max contract also and he didn’t get it so it’s not a given. Monroe will get the contract that he deserves and Joe will gladly pay it.

        • Jul 10, 20135:00 pm
          by tarsier

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          “calm your tits”?

          Where do people keep coming up with these bullshit expressions? This doesn’t even make sense. Are tits particularly more prone to agitation than any other body part? Or is this just a misogynistic comment implying that someone who displays a lack of composure must be female?

          • Jul 10, 20138:55 pm
            by Max

            Tits are sensitive. 

          • Jul 10, 201310:16 pm
            by Pimp Zombie

            You see, Tarsier: If you had much experience with the female gender, you would know that one of the more sensitive areas of the female body are indeed the tits. Not much is required to arouse/rile them. So the expression “calm your tits” parodies this into a figure of speech used to indicate someone (like yourself) that is easily riled/sensitive over what are often non-matters.

            If you like, I’d be willing to let you and ‘Georgio’ accompany me to a gentleman’s club…see if we can get you boys laid…although its clear that letting me do the talking would behoove all involved.
             

    • Jul 10, 20132:40 pm
      by David

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      I know floor spacing will be an issue. And Smith will take some bad shots. One thing I’m REALLY looking forward to this season: the front court battles:
      Smith-Monroe-Drummond
      vs
      Deng-Boozer-Noah
      George-West-Hibbert
      Pierce-Garnett-Lopez
      Melo-Amare-Chandler

      that’s gonna be awesome to watch. Central Division is gonna be a blood bath in the paint. 

    • Jul 10, 20134:11 pm
      by oats

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      Monroe is worth a max deal, so if the team let’s him walk they are doing something wrong.

  • Jul 10, 20132:49 pm
    by danny

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    Did people forget that the Griz have the worst shooting from three’s and still did pretty well?  Conley and when Gay was on the team were the only respectable shooters on the starting roster.  Due to Drummonds inability, at the moment. to hit from the stripe will have him out at crucial moments in the game.
     
    We have the luxury of interchanging many positions and playing a bunch of line ups.  Playoffs???  I’m pretty sure we got a good chance at it. 

    • Jul 10, 20133:22 pm
      by Keith

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      Is this a fair comparison considering Memphis had one of the best defenses in the entire league? Is this a fair comparison considering Memphis got trounced by the Spurs packing the paint, and never would have gotten out of the second round had Westbrook not gotten injured? I mean, everyone is trying to point out how teams that don’t shoot well can succeed, but both teams in the finals were huge from the 3 point line. All the teams that were still good but couldn’t shoot ultimately were done in by strong defenses that packed the paint.

      You can’t point to one thing like shooting and ignore the ENTIRE REASON those teams succeeded was having elite defenses. Detroit is not going to have a top 5 defense next year, and that’s the ONLY way teams that can’t shoot are able to succeed.

      5 playoff teams were within striking distance of Detroit last year. 4 of those 5 were top 6 defensive squads. The final team was Milwaukee, who wasn’t actually good and shouldn’t be considered a win-scenario for Detroit. There is little to suggest our offense will be better (especially knowing we go into the season with non-PG Knight and a rookie SG as our starting back-court), and there is nothing to suggest we will have an elite defense. 

    • Jul 10, 20133:22 pm
      by Keith

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      Is this a fair comparison considering Memphis had one of the best defenses in the entire league? Is this a fair comparison considering Memphis got trounced by the Spurs packing the paint, and never would have gotten out of the second round had Westbrook not gotten injured? I mean, everyone is trying to point out how teams that don’t shoot well can succeed, but both teams in the finals were huge from the 3 point line. All the teams that were still good but couldn’t shoot ultimately were done in by strong defenses that packed the paint.

      You can’t point to one thing like shooting and ignore the ENTIRE REASON those teams succeeded was having elite defenses. Detroit is not going to have a top 5 defense next year, and that’s the ONLY way teams that can’t shoot are able to succeed.

      5 playoff teams were within striking distance of Detroit (offensively) last year. 4 of those 5 were top 6 defensive squads. The final team was Milwaukee, who wasn’t actually good and shouldn’t be considered a win-scenario for Detroit. There is little to suggest our offense will be better (especially knowing we go into the season with non-PG Knight and a rookie SG as our starting back-court), and there is nothing to suggest we will have an elite defense. 

      • Jul 10, 20133:24 pm
        by Keith

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        Sorry for double post

      • Jul 10, 20135:03 pm
        by danny

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        Think you are missing the point here.  Yes they do have elite defense and we dont and yes they did get killed by the Spurs.  What I’m trying to say it is that it can work, and by work means make the playoffs.  Lets be real here we are not winning anything for a while.  We will learn to tweak things and get players in here. 
         
        They do have marc that can step out and make the midrange and Zbo’s shot should be respected from time to time.  We are playing the the east and there are only a handful of teams that will be a shoe in for playoffs. 

        • Jul 10, 20139:03 pm
          by Max

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          So silly how everyone refers to the Grizz losing as some law of basketball now in stone and reason to dismiss them.

          Two years ago, the Grizz trounced the Spurs.  The best team doesn’t always win.   A lot of teams win because of the breaks of health and whether they get hot at the right time, get the key calls and lucky bounces.   Next year the Grizz could beat the Spurs again even though the Spurs have generally been the better team.  

          The Grizz are just good enough to have a chance but they need some luck.   That’s still pretty good.   

    • Jul 10, 20133:27 pm
      by Tony J AD1 for 3!!!

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      Yea if you look at a lot of these playoff teams, they usually bring shooters off the bench. The heat’s 3 point shooter in the starting lineup is just Chalmers. The spurs is just Danny Green and Kawhi at times. Memphis with Conley. Indiana with George and Hill. Nets with D Will and Johnson. And OKC with Kevin Durant. Those are just a few playoff caliber teams who only have 1 or 2 reliable 3 point shooters in the starting lineup. The pistons will have Brandon Knight and KCP for 3′s so I’m not too worried about not having 3 point shooters. Smith’s shot selection is the only question mark and I believe that can be fixed still with a coach who will make it clear that that will NOT be tolerated.

      • Jul 10, 20133:58 pm
        by Keith

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        Don’t forget Lebron was over 40% on threes and Bosh is one of the best mid-range shooters in the NBA. It’s not just three pointers that space the floor, and Miami starts 3 shooters every game with nearly everyone on the bench being a quality 3 point shooter.

        Duncan’s mid-range game is a big part of San Antonio’s spacing as well, and Parker routinely has one of the best short floaters/jumpers in the league. They also design their system around getting corner 3s, so they make more with less when Green and Kawhi are the only shooters on the court.

        OKC has the best scorer in the world, a mid range sharpshooter at PF, and an over 40% three point safety valve at SG. They have 3 legitimate floor spacers all the time, and have to because Perkins has negative offensive value.

        Teams like Memphis and Indiana are pretty bad comparisons because they actually had poor offenses in the regular season. Their offense was NOT a strength of their team, and it was precisely because they didn’t have the floor spacers to get better shots. Those teams won entirely on the strength of their defenses (which were 1 and 2 in the league, btw). Unless you are presuming we will sport a top 5 defense in the league, I believe your point is not substantiated.

        • Jul 10, 20134:32 pm
          by oats

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          Gasol is a great mid range shooter, and that opens things up. Randolph and Prince aren’t exactly good, but they are quite a bit better than Monroe and Smith and break the 35% mark in the mid range. Mike Conley has similar shooting numbers to Knight. Conley also gives them a competent point guard to manage the bad shooting. They basically have 2 solid shooters and 2 not completely awful shooters. Detroit will be worse if it features Knight, Smith, Monroe, Drummond, and some other player. Detroit will at best have 2 solid shooters and 3 awful ones. That’s an edge to Memphis.
           
          Indiana has David West who is a great mid range shooter. Paul George is a solid shooter, as is Hill. That leaves them with 3 guys with a jumper in the starting line up versus Detroit’s 2.
           
          Those teams are bad offensively, but Detroit has a real chance to have even worse shooting than they did.

          • Jul 10, 20134:38 pm
            by joe dumars

            This guy knows whats up.

  • Jul 10, 20133:04 pm
    by Taylor

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    Josh Smith sounds like an all around good study for all accounts. Even though what I have to say next has nothing to do with the article I think the pistons should trade Monoros and Stuckey for Lamar us Aldrige. Aldrige would provided the mid range shooting we need and gives space for smith and ultimately Drummond once he realizes his potential to dominate inside. In return the Blazers would get Monroe who averaged a PER of 20 as a center last year (L.A averaged 20.5) and a good post passer who can get Matthews and Lillard easier shots and a guy in Stuckey who would thrive in their up tempo system.

    • Jul 10, 20133:11 pm
      by frankie d

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      the only fans who would give up a potential young all star are those who don’t watch aldridge much.
      portland fans are done with aldridge and realize that he is, at best, a number 2 guy on a good team, and most likely a number 3 guy on a team that can go deep into the playoffs.
      he puts up numbers, but his game is extremely limited: shooting midrange jumpers and rebounding the basketball.  every team would love to have a guy like that, but you don’t build a team around someone like that.  especially when he has a proven allergy to taking tough shots at the end of games.
      we don’t know how good monroe will be.  but there is a very good chance that he will be a better all around player than aldridge.  and one you can count on in the clutch. 

  • Jul 10, 20133:24 pm
    by Taylor

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    @FrankieD That is exactly what I am banking on. Smith is the better all around player since he is a lock down defender and once Drummond learns the defensive nuances of the game and develops a go to drop step/ jump hook he will become the best player on the team and the second best player in the league behind opinion in my opinion.

    • Jul 10, 20134:48 pm
      by oats

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      Better than who exactly? Smith is not a pretty bad offensive player really because he takes so many bad shots. It’s not like Monroe doesn’t have advantages on Smith. Monroe is actually better defending the pick and roll, as well as defending spot up shooters. Monroe should be a better defender at PF than he was at C, so they defensive advantage is quite as pronounced as most people assume. For all his defensive advantages on Monroe, Smith gives them up on the other side of the court by being a terrible shooter that shoots a lot. Plus Monroe is the better rebounder. I would say Monroe is better than him right now. Even if I’m wrong, the fact is Monroe is 5 years younger than Smith. Smith is pretty much at his peak, but Monroe has a long ways to go before he gets to his. If he’s not a better player now then Monroe will be better soon. 
       
      Here’s the main reason this makes no sense. Drummond is a long ways from getting to his peak. He has no chance of getting there before he turns 24 because no peaks before the age of 24, and usually it’s much later. That is really when Detroit’s window to contend will be opening, when their star player starts playing at his full potential. Monroe will be 27, but Aldridge and Smith will be 31. Monroe will solidly be in his prime while Aldridge and Smith will be starting to decline. That narrows Detroit’s window to compete significantly.

      • Jul 10, 20135:04 pm
        by tarsier

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        “Monroe is actually better defending the pick and roll, as well as defending spot up shooters.”

        How so? Is there anything at all to back this up? The biggest issue I always saw with Monroe was his help D or complete lack thereof. He wasn’t good at anything defensively. But his least bad was one-on-one defending a post up. 

        • Jul 10, 20139:10 pm
          by Max

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          Monroe’s best defensive skill is actually showing on the perimeter to break up plays but he’s only really done it pre-Frank and only when Big Ben was on the court.   It’s the biggest reason I’m still hoping he can still be a good defensive player once he gets to play with Drummond.  

          He has good hands.  He gets steals.   He needs someone else to have to worry about the rim.  The team’s have been so small the last couple of years that Monroe has not been put in a good situation regarding what he can do well defensively.  

        • Jul 11, 20131:45 am
          by oats

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          Synergy sports has him rated as giving up fewer points in those areas than Smith. So, yeah, there is something to back that up. Monroe gave up .73 points per possession while defending the pick man in pick and roll sets, good for 34th best among all players in the league. He also gave up .88 points per possession on spot up attempts, good for 85th. Smith gave up .92 points per possession against the pick man, good for 76th. He also gave up .93 against spot up shooters, good for 133rd.

  • Jul 10, 20133:29 pm
    by Taylor

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    *behind LBJ in my opinion

    • Jul 10, 20134:01 pm
      by Keith

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      Kevin Durant is still in the league too. Even if Drummond becomes a healthy Dwight, LBJ and KD are going to be 1-2 until they start getting old.

  • Jul 10, 20133:39 pm
    by Fennis

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    @Frankie D, skeptics

    Two points:

    1) We aren’t in position to make the NBA Finals. We’re collecting assets to position ourselves for serious contention in about a year or so. Think about it. The Heat didn’t have a sufficient number of shooters in their first year, they got them the following year and won the title. We just got Smith at 13.5 million… There are 34 players in the league who make more money than Josh Smith! 

    2) (Related to 1)) We’ve signed Josh Smith to a *very* reasonable contract. We now have three excellent assets in Smith, Drummond, and Monroe. We’re obsessing about whether they play well together or can win a title together. It is *way* too early for that assessment. Collect assets, win a few more games, raise the profile of your team, then make the major move for an elite wing that fits whichever two big-man pieces you want to retain. 

    3) People act as though Smith at the SF is an abomination given that we have two bigs that lurk in the paint. We see how great Memphis is right now. Do you mean to tell me they wouldn’t be a significantly better team with Josh Smith, shooting be damned?! 

     

    • Jul 10, 20134:30 pm
      by joe dumars

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      Memphis isn’t a team where the big men only lurk in the paint. Marc Gasol is takes a lot of jumpers. He had 734 jump shot attempts last year, and his shots went his at a 43% percentage.

    • Jul 10, 20134:54 pm
      by oats

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      In addition to the point made by Joe Dumars, it’s hard to argue that a $56 million contract is a good deal because the guy can be traded. It’s really hard to move those monster deals for value. The best example is that Utah had Jefferson and Millsap, and then they left without them getting a single thing for them. Trade value is not a particularly good reason for handing out $56 million dollars.
       
      I do agree the team will probably be better. The team lost Jose Calderon and likely has Knight playing the point again, so they might not be much better. Upgrading the team slightly is also not a good reason to spend $56 million.

      • Jul 10, 20135:07 pm
        by danny

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        Utah didn’t want to make any trades and that’s why they lost out on those assets.  Just FYI.

        • Jul 11, 20131:47 am
          by oats

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          They were trying to trade for a PG pretty much the whole season. When they didn’t get an offer for one they liked they decided to hold on to them and just make a playoff run, but that doesn’t change the fact that they’ve been trying to trade one of them for the better part of 2 years now.

    • Jul 10, 20135:10 pm
      by tarsier

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      1) Agreed. Getting good players is the most important thing. Sorting out how everyone fits together can more easily be done after the fact than straight up getting more talent.

      2) I don’t know that I’d call his contract very reasonable. But it’s not too crazy.

      3) Memphis does not have two bigs who can really only operate in the paint. 

      • Jul 10, 20139:44 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        It is very reasonable…. I can compare his contract to about 20 other current NBA players…since the new collective barrgaining agreement, that makes his contract VERY REASONABLE…

        How much do you think he is work?

         

        • Jul 11, 20139:50 am
          by tarsier

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          “Monroe is actually better defending the pick and roll, as well as defending spot up shooters.”

          He is worth about what he is getting on this deal. I suppose I don’t know what you mean by “very reasonable”. But to me that sounds like he is on a bargain of a deal. He’s not. This is about the max I’d be willing to pay him. He is on a contract that if the Pistons wanted to move him for expiring deals, they  probably could, but probably wouldn’t get much of anything back in terms of assets (although that would depend on who they are trading with, somehow Bargs just fetched the Raptors a pick).

          “ I can compare his contract to about 20 other current NBA players” 

          I do compare it to about 1000 others, both current and recent contracts. That’s the wonderful thing about currency. It makes it easy to compare items of varying values.

  • Jul 10, 20133:59 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Only piston fans will complain about signing a Top 20-15 player,Top 3 free-agent number 1 free-agent on our list… No Max deal and still complain…

     

    • Jul 10, 20134:31 pm
      by Jens

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      You are so right, man! Joe D really pulled one off, here. I haven´t seen the contract so far, but 13,5 per (assuming it´s flat) is not too much for that kin of Player. I love the signing , like Luigi as well, like Will coming back. I only hope for a starting caliber PG. We cannot start the season with Knight, NO WAY

  • Jul 10, 20135:52 pm
    by Fennis

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    Interesting points…

    1) it wouldn’t surprise anyone if Monroe evolved over the next year into a Marc Gasol level shooter. 

    2) Josh Smith is much more valuable and moveable than Milsap and Jefferson, even (or especially) given his contract. Keep in mind, in two years 13.5 mill will feel a bit more like 10 mill feels today.  

    3) Why do we always focus on the negative? No team is perfect. Think about this. The Pistons could plausibly lead the league in a) rebounding, b) blocks, and c) steals. I mean, this isn’t roto basketball, but if they’re even top five in all three categories we’re looking at dramatic improvement. And for a playoff team (.500 or better)  your assets are more attractive, regardless of their objective value. 

    We may have a series weakness in shooting, but we have a year and another 20 mill in cap space next offseason (assuming no more signings) to get an elite shooter. With that, we might actually be talking about legitimate contention.

    Baby steps. 

  • Jul 10, 20136:13 pm
    by Vote for Dumbars

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    For every time Joe says Um.. We do shots!

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