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Tony Mitchell all over the place in summer-league loss to Celtics

The Pistons’ suffered one of the worst summer-league losses in history, falling by 30 to the Celtics today. Fortunately, that ranks just behind the best summer-league win in history.

Tony Mitchell

  • Kelly Olynyk ’s offensive moves were too advanced for Mitchell’s defense
  • Very active again the offensive glass, though I think offensively rebounding airballs, which he did a couple times, is easier than shots that hit rim
  • Powerful putback dunk, followed by a stare-down to match
  • Nice cut and strong alley-oop finish. More mean mugging
  • Didn’t follow same routine on a pair of free throws. Spun the ball around his hand before dribbling it on the first, but not on the second. Missed both.
  • Shot another jumper just inside the 3-point arc, which won’t be frustrating until the regular season, but I’m readying myself
  • Also played for the Celtics (not really, but this guy made for one confusing matchup)

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

  • Another day, another airball
  • Shot 3-for-10, including 1-for-6 on 3-pointers. Clearly getting frustrated.
  • Made another 3-pointer, but it was wiped out by a moving screen that got him open
  • Again tried for a thunderous dunk, again missed, but this time didn’t draw a foul
  • Good instincts to swarm for a steal and fastbreak dunk when Olynyk bobbled the ball on the perimeter
  • Good hustle to get a fastbreak steal

Kim English

  • Shot 0-for-8, including 0-for-5 on 3-pointers
  • Yikes
  • Kicking his legs out on his 3-pointers
  • How is he going to make the team?

Viacheslav Kravtsov

  • Shot an early jumper, obviously missed, and then fouled on an and-one on the other end. Great way to indicate he didn’t really care about this game at the outset, but he came around
  • Repeatedly showed good hands inside
  • Used quick feet to cleanly block Celtics shot right in front of basket

Peyton Siva

  • Landing spot on jumper nowhere near where he lifts off
  • Shot 0-for-4
  • Nice defensive rotation and impressive guts to take a hard charge

Khris Middleton

Nice in-air adjustment on contested fastbreak layup

Trying to use the summer league to develop his passing

Sent to the bench in the third quarter with a right leg injury and was attended to by Mike Abdenour

Ryan Evans

  • Good defense
  • If he could shoot just a little bit, he could play in the NBA

Travis Petersen

  • Who the heck are you, Mr. 6-foot-10 making 3-of-4 3-pointers?
  • Amnesty Charlie Villanueva, please

39 Comments

  • Jul 8, 20136:11 pm
    by timetodienow1234567

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    I agree. We need to cut Tony Mitchell. The scrub takes too many long twos.
     

    • Jul 8, 20137:11 pm
      by Javell

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      Tony mitchell is a beast (personal attack removed)

      • Jul 8, 20139:18 pm
        by oats

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        I took that as sarcasm and a lame attempt to make fun of the second to last bullet point for Mitchell. The line was, “Shot another jumper just inside the 3-point arc, which won’t be frustrating until the regular season, but I’m readying myself.”

        • Jul 8, 201311:05 pm
          by Tony J AD1 for 3!!!

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          If that’s the case then I owe Mr. timetodienow1234567 an apology for misunderstanding haha.

    • Jul 8, 20137:27 pm
      by mike

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      At least he’s played better than the other scrub KCP who takes too many airball 3′s.

    • Jul 8, 20138:48 pm
      by Tony J AD1 for 3!!!

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      You must really be trolling. Mitchell is an athletic freak who can block shots, score from the mid-range, dunk. Definetly an upgrade over J Max who in all honesty was a decent rol player and veteran. I can see Mitchell being 6th man on this team if he keeps up this type of play and he gets better in the season.

  • Jul 8, 20137:13 pm
    by Javell

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    Kcp is so great on defense and athletic!  the next step for him will be taking more mid range jumpers and driving more

    • Jul 8, 20138:49 pm
      by Tony J AD1 for 3!!!

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      Agreed, He has a lot of athleticism and would like to see him change it up a bit on offense instead of just shooting spot up 3′s.

  • Jul 8, 20137:50 pm
    by baines

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    Dan………………..I agree that Kim English is playing his way off the roster.  I want him to succeed but he just doesn’t have the skill or athleticism to be an NBA player!

    • Jul 8, 20139:21 pm
      by Tyrone

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      Good point and I agree,

      Kim English is going to have to shake off the rust and start knocking down some shoots.  I want to see Kim succeed but that Jumper is going to have to get going NOW because we still need shooters to open up the floor spacing.  Like it or not, CV31 is safe because of his skill set, shooting and I’m hoping that CV31 has a big year behind the arc.  

      Pope is off to a slow start shooting the ball but i’m not worried at this time, there is time for the nerves to settle down and get into his zone.   

    • Jul 8, 20139:22 pm
      by jeff

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      I agree he is terrible, after seeing him going super slow to try to get a layup, and instead get blocked. I was like crap this guy is a tortoise on the court. I thought i read that he played like power forward or center in college cause he was so slow. You would think the could find someone in free agency, or another guy that is better then him in the summer league, that has more skill and is just scratching, and clawing to get a chance.

  • Jul 8, 20138:33 pm
    by Ryan Kelly

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    Yeah watching English and Kentavious makes me think one thing….   Need a starting sg.  Don’t wanna see stuckey handed the spot which at this point he is the best we got.   gimme Wayne Ellington please.   The spacing fears will skyrocket if no one can make threes.   Team desperately needs a bomber.  kcp 1-16?   Yikes.  

  • Jul 8, 20138:40 pm
    by frankie d

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    i will be very pleasantly surprised if i am wrong about mitchell.
    he’s like a pocket drummond.
    if he continues with his defensive intensity and stops taking those 18 foot shots, he will make quite an impact.
    but he needs to play with a point guard, like bynum, who can get the ball to him in his scoring zone.
    i can just imagine drummond and mitchell playing with will bynum, setting picks for each other down low, driving defenses crazy because they just don’t know which player is being set up for a lob.
    it could be a central division version of the clippers lob city.
    now, all they need is a PG who can deliver that lob regularly. 

    • Jul 8, 20139:21 pm
      by oats

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      He reminds me of a Summer League’s Josh Smith, but with a better jump shot. There is admittedly a long ways to go from Summer League’s Josh Smith to being Josh Smith, but the way he plays is similar. That still makes Mitchell looking like the steal of the draft right now.

  • Jul 8, 20139:06 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Sheed was the best thing about today…. He looks to have a great relationship with the players…you can tell that he challenged Mitchell to lock in on Kelly in the 2nd half …. 

  • Jul 8, 20139:23 pm
    by Jon

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    Yes!!!  Amnesty Charlie V and  bring Travis Peterson and Brandon Jennings or Jeff Teague!  Isn’t it obvious!?  Am I the only one?  We can clear that money and get one of the PG’s to Detroit.

  • Jul 8, 20139:28 pm
    by domnick

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    wow bad games for KCP.. i hope he can pick himself up before the start of the season… we need his shooting

  • Jul 8, 20139:30 pm
    by Max

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    Please Joe:  Sign NATE ROBINSON.   

    • Jul 8, 201311:18 pm
      by tarsier

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      Are you really still hoping to tank?

      • Jul 9, 20132:01 am
        by Max

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        Huh?  i never advocated tanking.  I want the Pistons to be as good as possible.   

        Are you saying something against Nate?   Didn’t he just light up the Nets and Heat in the playoffs?   Didn’t he come close to matching Michael Jordan’s highest scoring playoff quarter?   He is coming off a great season shoots the three, gets his own shot and he can dominate games.  

        • Jul 9, 201310:14 am
          by tarsier

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          He can dominate 20% of games while shooting his team in the foot in 40% of them. I know it’s tough, but please try to get over your recency bias. A couple good playoff games does not make a good player.

        • Jul 9, 201312:32 pm
          by Huddy

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          Robinson has been bumped all over for a reason.  His shooting numbers are all over the place and he is insanely undersized albeit with great athleticism, but pushing 30 that is on the way out.  Most guys come off of great seasons when their contacts end.
           
          The MJ record is a hilarious example of why to sign a guy.  Don’t worry, we already resigned the player who broke Isaiah Thomas’ record for points in a quarter (Bynum) he must be a dominant force too.

          • Jul 9, 20131:55 pm
            by Max

            Robinson didn’t have a great couple of games.   He had a great season.   He’s a perfect bench player for the Pistons but whatever, they signed Bynum so it doesn’t matter.  

          • Jul 9, 20132:18 pm
            by tarsier

            The new definition of a great season is 13, 2, and 4 with terrible D.

          • Jul 10, 20131:30 pm
            by Max

            It’s not like he started all season the way Brandon Knight did.  I was talking about bringing in the guy as a backup and yes, for Nate Robinson to put up those numbers and cap it off by being one of the very best players in the entire playoffs, he had a great season.  

  • Jul 8, 20139:30 pm
    by domnick

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    right now… Tony Mitchell is gonna replace maxiell and he’s got alot of upside… if he plays tremendous defense like Drummond then… he is a REAL STEAL!

  • Jul 8, 20139:35 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    This was my concern about Pope Streaky shooter, with limited offensive moves … This was why I was big on Shabazz ….

    Pope needs to attack the rim … And work more Mid-range jumpers 

  • Jul 8, 201310:06 pm
    by Prerich

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    Pope is limited…GA depended on him for offense in a weak conference. Im a ‘Stones fan thasettled in SEC country so I’ve had an opportunity to see him play – potential, yes, but can he make his own offense – can he get his own shot? Starting 5 will be Knight, Stuck, Smoove, Moose, and Drum 

  • Jul 8, 201310:08 pm
    by Prerich

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    Very happy about Tony Mitchell!!!! Great second round pick!!!! 

  • Jul 8, 201310:15 pm
    by Brandon Knight

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    Off topic but back to the Brandon Knight at the PG debate!
     
    This is what he had to say:
    Knight said it doesn’t take rocket science to figure out his situation, that the “he’s not a point guard” chapter on his career shouldn’t yet be finalized.
    “If you think about it using common sense,” said Knight, who averaged four assists and shot 37 percent from 3-point range last season. “First year (2011-12) was a lockout, didn’t have that summer. Next year, played half the year (at point guard). I pretty much played it for a full year. Some of the best point guards don’t take a year to develop into what they are. They are given an opportunity to develop. Using common sense, I played it (around) 80 games.”

    Brandon Knight is our guy for now. He should be given another shot at the PG position. He never had the opportunity to develop. 

    and also he never played with good shooters!
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    • Jul 8, 201311:04 pm
      by oats

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      He’s also wrong. There are a ton of PGs that got much fewer minutes at the position than him that still showed more promise than him. His rookie season was shortened by the lockout, but he still logged an awful lot of minutes because he was the starter for most of it. He then came in and started for 40+ games this year. That’s more time to show improvement than the above quote is suggesting. I’m not saying he should have shown that he is great, just shown a basic aptitude for the position. He is terrible at inlet passes, his ball handling is sloppy, he is not very good in the pick and roll, and he makes bad decisions. You know what he is good at? He is good at scoring on hand offs or in catch and shoot situations. Those are good skills for a SG, and much less important for a PG. Admittedly Detroit now has a pair of passers in Monroe and Smith that will allow the PG to use that skill set a bit more, but that doesn’t change the fact that he has been bad at point guard stuff.

    • Jul 8, 201311:29 pm
      by tarsier

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      I challenge you to find one example in NBA history of a good PG who posted an AST:TO ratio below 1.5 after having played at least 3000 minutes.

      Knight is about 4500 minutes in and still beneath that thresh hold. I have hope that he can become a good player. But it would be mental to expect him to turn into an above average starting point guard.

    • Jul 9, 201312:37 pm
      by Huddy

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      Come on guys we are talking about Brandon Knight’s take on himself…we should definitely take it seriously.  What kind of professional athlete has confidence in himself and thinks he can be great?  (end sarcasm) Who cares what Brandon Knight thinks about why he will be fine.  Every player in the league says they have always faced adversity and nay sayers and they use that to drive them to be better…nothing new or of any substance.  Seems like a nice guy and I hope he does well, but a player’s analysis of themselves is not of any value in a “debate”.
       
      If Charlie Villanueva told you he thrives on pressure and will be an ace next year would you believe him?
       

  • Jul 9, 201312:07 am
    by timetodienow1234567

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    I was being sarcastic, but I don’t understand the constant negativity from Dan about this team. This team upgraded its talent level with the signing of Josh Smith. Drummond’s offensive game still needs work, but he dominated game 1. Tony Mitchell has looked pretty good. He can back up both Smith and Monroe. 

    • Jul 9, 20131:11 am
      by Tony J AD1 for 3!!!

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      I agree. I don’t see the hate of Josh Smith. His contract is not terrible and just because we have Drummond and Moose doesn’t mean to just pass up on a talent like Smith because he “don’t fit.” I understand that the Pistons have other needs but who else in this free agent class would have been better than Smith? Iguadala would have been good but that’s about it. CP3 had no chance of coming here. There’s no one else that has Smith’s talent and fills a role with this team. Smith was our best option and w got him. Can we at least wait till the end of pre-season to determine if a Smith-Monroe-Drummond lineup will work. I mean good God people are so quick to write this team off without Smith even having a practice session with the team yet.

  • Jul 9, 201312:18 am
    by erik

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    Im struggling to figure out the type of offense they can run.  This lineup is very 1 dimensional.  They need shooters to drive and kick and to keep the post defense honest.  They could run triangle with no point if the guards can shoot.  But then no real good inlet passer.  The could run that old high post offense like they did in in circa sacramento webber days but u cant keep the spacing in that offense without 3 point shooting.  I mean not only did they have divac and webber, they had peja and bibby.  

    What they need is either a shooting guard that has the triple threat and demands the double team or 2 guards that can space the floor with a motion offense and creates mismatches on pick and rolls. 

    If I were to guess, joe isnt done yet.

  • Jul 9, 20132:58 am
    by Hook shot

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    Joe better not be done yet. Nate Robinson is too small, especially since we  resigned Bynum. Krastzov is a stiff(repeat after me). Matisse Speights is a much better option. English is toast. We may need to settle on Ellingson. 

  • Jul 9, 20139:26 am
    by Prerich

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    Just read a story on MLive, my opinion on KCP has gone up exponentially!!!! He gets it now, he notices the close out speed on shooters is extremely fast (this isn’t the SEC), now he knows and that’s half the battle!!!! Love his defense – worried about his offense, but he’ll learn. Hope Pope does well, it will take time to get used to quality opponents (NBA vs SEC), but I’m trusting he’ll get there! 

  • Jul 9, 20139:56 am
    by danny

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    You can see why he is a steal here because of his defensive prowess.  He still needs to learn the game and how to position himself, this is why I think the hire of sheed is the best thing for our young bigs.  He will teach them how to position themselves and how to run the offensive sets.  
    Mitchell played hard and you could hear sheed call out players to guard other players.   I heard him call out pope to pick up a player earlier.  Seems like sheed has a way of motivating the players and we all know they need that.
     
    Pope did shoot well but I see why dumars picked him over burke.  He has the foot speed to clean up a lot of mistakes.  He understands defensive schemes and switches during times he comes up short on gambling.  Give him sometime to learn how to play with his teammates.  Seems like he doesnt want to over control the ball and I think it is taking him out of the game. 

    Mitchell is a great pick, dont let these fools tell you other wise.

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