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Pistons want Jose Calderon back, but Kings and others are courting

Chris Broussard of ESPN:

Pistons also intent on bringing back Jose Calderon

HoopsHype:

Free agent guard Jose Calderon is meeting with the Kings in Sacramento today, agent Mark Bartelstein tells HoopsHype.

Tim MacMahon of ESPN:

It’s no surprise then that the Mavs are among several teams to express interest in point guards Jose Calderon and Mo Williams, according to a league source. The Mavs have long been intrigued by Calderon, who they discussed trading for last season. Calderon is also drawing interest from Detroit, Houston, Atlanta and New York among other teams.

I wrote about it more at ProBasketballTalk, but it seems like the writing is on the wall. Retaining Jose Calderon seems like an uphill climb for the Pistons.

If Calderon signs elsewhere, it becomes increasingly likely the Pistons hand the starting point guard job back to Brandon Knight or maybe even Rodney Stuckey, which would be pretty disappointing at this point. If Knight (or maybe even Stuckey) beats out a player who has proven more, that’s one thing. But simply getting the job by default – as has been the case the last few years – wouldn’t indicate the incumbent has really improved.

23 Comments

  • Jul 2, 20132:20 pm
    by Todd

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    If we lose Calderon, it is likely that one of three scenarios play out:

    1) The scenario Dan suggests in which Knight and/or Stuckey is handed the starting PG role with no competition.

    2) We bring in a middling PG who is willing to play in Detroit, but is not good enough to make us better (e.g., Devin Harris, Daniel Gibson, Beno Udrih, etc.).

    3) We overpay for a combo guard with the intention they will be able to play the PG (and likely ultimately fail) (e.g., Tyreke Evans, Mo Williams, Aaron Brooks, Randy Foye, or Gary Neal).

    None of these scenarios are exciting! Sad! 

  • Jul 2, 20132:21 pm
    by Todd

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    If we lose Calderon, it is likely that one of three scenarios play out:

    1) The scenario Dan suggests in which Knight and/or Stuckey is handed the starting PG role with no competition.

    2) We bring in a middling PG who is willing to play in Detroit, but is not good enough to make us better (e.g., Devin Harris, Daniel Gibson, Beno Udrih, etc.).

    3) We overpay for a combo guard with the intention they will be able to play the PG (and likely ultimately fail) (e.g., Tyreke Evans, O.J. Mayo, Mo Williams, Aaron Brooks, Randy Foye, or Gary Neal).

    None of these scenarios are exciting! Sad! 

  • Jul 2, 20132:21 pm
    by Todd

    Reply

    If we lose Calderon, it is likely that one of three scenarios play out:

    1) The scenario Dan suggests in which Knight and/or Stuckey is handed the starting PG role with no competition.

    2) We bring in a middling PG who is willing to play in Detroit, but is not good enough to make us better (e.g., Devin Harris, Daniel Gibson, Beno Udrih, etc.).

    3) We overpay for a combo guard with the intention they will be able to play the PG (and likely ultimately fail) (e.g., Tyreke Evans, O.J. Mayo, Brandon Jennings, Monta Ellis, Mo Williams, Aaron Brooks, Randy Foye, or Gary Neal).

    None of these scenarios are exciting! Sad! 

  • Jul 2, 20132:33 pm
    by Eric

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    If Stuckey or Knight is our starting PG, Joe loses his job.  He has to get Calderon or someone else simply to justify drafting KCP over Burke.

    • Jul 2, 20133:31 pm
      by Who Is Us

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      Actually having Knight improve as PG does that far more effectively.

      You, like so many others on this board seem to think that Knight can’t be a good OF. You all want the 2nd coming of Billups.  Well news flash, Knight has been BETTER than Billups over his 1st two years. 

      http://espn.go.com/man/player/stats/_/I'd/63/Chauncey-Billups

      Stop writing off a 20 year old kid who has played all but 30ish games in his entire basketball career at PG as a legitimate point man for the Pistons.

      • Jul 2, 20134:05 pm
        by oats

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        Billups played for 3 different teams in his first two years. Before his second season he was moved full time to SG and not given any chance to play the point. Billups also made a leap that is so rare that he is completely useless for comparisons to young point guards. He’s pretty much the only guy who failed to get to 2 assists per turnover in his first 2 season and then became a good passer. I seriously can not come up with another example of that happening. Expecting Knight to duplicate that is like expecting lightning to strike twice. The odds against the Knight at PG experiment panning out are exceedingly bad.

        • Jul 2, 20134:12 pm
          by tarsier

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          Fully agreed. just took me a couple more minutes to type it all out.

      • Jul 2, 20134:10 pm
        by tarsier

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        First, this argument has been dealt with ad nauseum. Who the hell cares if someone was better than Billups first two years. The vast majority of players who fit that description never became half the player Billups was. he was an exception, not the rule. If he was the rule, let’s sign every player who has struggled so far. Time to go all in on Beasley?

        Second, Billups was better in his first two seasons.
        Knight: 13.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.8 spg, 1.47 AST:TO, 51% true shooting, 0.22 FTA/FGA
        Billups: 12.1 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.3 spg, 1.79 AST:TO, 53% true shooting, 0.45 FTA/FGA

        And Billups did that in fewer minutes while having to play for 3 different teams. 

      • Jul 2, 20134:20 pm
        by Who Is Us

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        The point isn’t that Knight is the 2nd coming of Billups, it is that he is a 20 year old PG who has had 2 years of sub par coaching and has better numbers in those first two years than Billups had in any season before he joined the Pistons. Compare Knights first two years to any available FA PG other than Paul and tell me he who has the better numbers. I haven’t wasted the time, but I’m gonna bet on Brandon in almost every case.

        It is incredibly foolhardy to write of Knight as a legitimate PG at this point in time. Not to offend anyone personally, but if you believe he is beyond improvement then you are stupid and not in touch with the realities of athletics and coaching. I was a Jr. High/H.S. basketball coach for 22 years and I know that with good coaching and a willing athlete almost anything can be accomplished.

        • Jul 2, 20139:30 pm
          by tarsier

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          “It is incredibly foolhardy to write of Knight as a legitimate PG at this point in time.”

          True.

          “[Knight] has better numbers in those first two years than Billups had in any season before he joined the Pistons.”

          False.

          Long and short of it is that, these past two seasons, Knight has been arguably the worst starting PG in the league. But it is way too soon to give up on him unless you can get a good return because he is still young and could still get good. But it would be foolhardy to claim that he has been good so far or that his improvement is inevitable. 

  • Jul 2, 20133:01 pm
    by Vic

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    The Mavs just picked up a point guard from Israel, Gal Mekel. Pretty good shooter passer and defender just won a championship. Hopefully that’s good enough for them to give him a chance.

  • Jul 2, 20133:17 pm
    by sebastian

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    “If Calderon signs elsewhere, it becomes increasingly likely the Pistons hand the starting point guard job back to Brandon Knight or maybe even Rodney Stuckey” — great! The Pistons don’t need Jose Calderon.

  • Jul 2, 20134:01 pm
    by GEORGIO

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    I would have no problem with a Knight/Stuckey backcourt under the guidance of Mo Cheeks, Stuckey has played for now 5 coaches entering his 7th yr and none of them has had the pedigree of Mo Cheeks. Maybe Mo will be to Stuckey what LB was to Billups, let’s see. I also could envision a Knight/KCP starting backcourt and a Stuckey/English or Middleton 2nd unit backcourt. I for on am willing to see how it plays out. 

  • Jul 2, 20134:18 pm
    by tarsier

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    I have made clear that I don’t have a particularly high opinion of Vasquez. But the Pistons should at least inquire about him. The Pelicans don’t need any more PGs so he might be cheap. And he is basically a younger version of Calderon.

    • Jul 2, 20135:10 pm
      by Filo Putz

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      I would take Greivis in a heartbeat over Calderon. He has developed a much more all around game than what he displayed at Maryland where he was pretty much just a scoring machine..  I love the way he can get in the lane and cause the defence to collapse then pass. Calderon is more of a perimeter guy who draws attention because of his ability to shoot. He is obviously very good at reading weak rotational defense and passing on the perimeter for open shots. But Greivis would help get the Pistons already strong 4 and 5 better shots and also better perimeter shots when the strong side of the defense is forced to collapse..

  • Jul 2, 20136:45 pm
    by Grizz

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    “But simply getting the job by default – as has been the case the last few years – wouldn’t indicate the incumbent has really improved.”  If you just hate BK7 and have no faith in him at all. Just flat out state it.  These insidious pot-shots are kind of snarky and low-class. Wish you would have been as snarky about Lawrence Frank, someone who is truly bad at what he does, and is a major reason why virtually no player got better on the Pistons, Greg Monroe notwithstanding.

    • Jul 3, 20133:34 am
      by Dan Feldman

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      “Wish you would have been as snarky about Lawrence Frank.”

      I guess you missed everything I wrote about his handling of Andre Drummond. 

  • Jul 2, 20137:48 pm
    by robertbayer

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    Feldman, for the “low-class” description, that applies only to me for using the term. Apologies to you. You are doing a great job at this site. I am just tired of the endless bashing of Knight, direct or indirect, not from you, but from the teeming masses, who have just as much a right to vent. WHO IS US posted the best post on this matter, and I should have left it at that.  Wish we had thumbs up / down and post-posting editing here.

    • Jul 2, 20138:06 pm
      by Filo Putz

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      Knight is not a good ball handler. He is not good at getting into the lane and either finishing or dumping off for an easy basket. He is not good at creating his own shot on the perimeter. He has really poor court vision. BESIDES ALL THIS HE”S PRETTY GOOD>

  • Jul 3, 20139:39 am
    by Todd

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    The issue that people seem to mistake here is that BK7 has not yet learned how to make other players better, just as Stuckey has never learned. The issue at stake here isn’t whether or not Knight can put up middling numbers, he can, its whether he can lead the Pistons to taking that next step, which we will have to wait to see, but I believe he can’t as the primary PG. I like the kid, but I believe that he is best suited in the Vinnie Johnson, combo guard, first guard off the bench role – not as a starting 1 or 2 in the NBA (it worked for Jamal Crawford). 

  • Jul 3, 20135:00 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    If and when BK get it… THEN he can be our point guard … Stuckey is a cancer on this team and his past BS behaivor mean he really has not business on this team any longer .. LEADER give me a break.. Back to Knight … Until he can dribble and pass i’m sorry tossing a ball over to a near by player that happens to make a shot is not the kind of assists we need… We need some that can throw the ally ooop To Drummond and get the ball to Moose …. NEVER seen him do it  SO when he can prove it OK but till then if we don’t get a Point Guard that can MAKE the other players better Detroit will be wasting it’s time 

  • Jul 3, 20135:11 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    PS   I am not say he could not develop (though I tend to think point guards a born not developed into) over time BUT NOT NOW have a bunch of inside players and not being able to get the the ball is a crime . SO is starting someone that assist to turn over ration was off the charts BAD.  If you want a BK at point or STUCKEY at any posistion I guess you don’t mind starting the season WITH the same bad team we have started the last 3-5 years…. NOT me i want a real point guard NOW.   I hope BK turns into the second coming of Magic / Stockton / Nash  combined but clearly that has not happened yet and clearly the team needs SOMEONE to make other players better.

  • Jul 3, 20135:15 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    Point guards that can’t pass, Shooting guards that can’t shoot and 6’5 power forwards is what Joe Dumars has been all about. So letting the results speak for themselves these rosters have made the Pistons HORRIBLE or the last few years.   So if you want something better i rather think you want some players that actually fit there positions.

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