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Pistons to meet with Andre Iguodala later today

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports:

Dumars also will meet with forward Andre Iguodala on Monday in Los Angeles, but it’s doubtful the Pistons have the willingness to outbid Denver to sign him.

I’m glad the Pistons won’t necessarily overpay Iguodala, but with Josh Smith being their top priority, it might just be a matter of whom they overpay.

52 Comments

  • Jul 1, 201312:16 am
    by Max

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    I think Dumars is approaching the right free agents but in the wrong order.  First offer should be to Iggy and then Smith if Iggy already declined.  

  • Jul 1, 201312:18 am
    by Max

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    @DAN–off topic—Any chance the Pistons could get Luke Ridnour from MINN?  Heard he is in play and I’d actually rather have him then Calderon due to the health concerns.   

    • Jul 1, 201310:02 am
      by Ryan

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      Just speculating here, but he and Barea might be some of the best candidates to have their salaries absorbed by Detroit. But we’ll probably have to wait for Detroit to sort out its courtship of Smith and Iggy, and for Minny to match Pekovic, sign Martin/Mayo/Budinger/etc., and decide on AK47. So it could be awhile.

  • Jul 1, 201312:45 am
    by ryan

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    Josh Smith is totally the wrong free agent to approach. Andre Iguodala would be worth the money.

  • Jul 1, 201312:54 am
    by Travis

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    Somewhat informative Q&A with Tom Gores
     http://www.freep.com/article/20130701/SPORTS03/307010016?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

  • Jul 1, 201312:55 am
    by Jon

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    why are they not talking to tyreke evans. he is the only top tier player in this FA class who makes sense age-wise, money-wise, and talent-wise. this team isn’t ready to win yet by just adding pieces that don’t fit together like smith. iggy would fit with the team i suppose but he’ll costa whole lot and might not be good after age 30 when his athleticism starts to go

    • Jul 1, 20138:28 am
      by Keith

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      Can you think of a single thing that Tyreke does better than Iggy? Iggy will likely lose some athleticism to age, but his passing ability, positional defense, and overall awareness are likely to only improve as he relies more on his smarts than his leaping ability. 

      • Jul 1, 20139:02 am
        by G

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        Other than being 6 years younger, Tyreke shoots better than Iggy does. Compare Tyreke’s .478/.338/.771 to Iggy’s .451/.317/.571. Now that was Tyreke’s best shooting year ever & it’s unclear whether it represents an upward trend or an outlier… In actuality I’d rather have Iguodala based on total package, but he certainly wouldn’t help the shooting on the wing.

        • Jul 1, 20139:35 am
          by MrBlockedShot

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          @G What about Danny Granger? Can’t understand why nobody is (apparently) paying no attention to him. It would be my top pick for the SF spot, no doubt. We need somebody to stretch the floor for our bigs and Granger fits perfectly.

          • Jul 1, 201310:04 am
            by Ryan

            Because he’s not an FA and Indy wants too much in return for someone who hasn’t even come back from injury yet.

          • Jul 1, 201310:06 am
            by G

            Not sure if Granger can stay on the court, he’s a poor defender, and it’s unclear how his game will have changed after his injury. VERY nervous about Granger. If the Pistons can get him on the cheap though, why not take a risk? 

  • Jul 1, 201312:56 am
    by Travis

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    Better link on the Gores interview:
    http://www.freep.com/article/20130701/SPORTS03/307010016

  • Jul 1, 201312:58 am
    by Mike

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    I understand Dan’s concerns about Iguodala’s age, but I would rather pay Iguodala $15m a year over 4 years to sign here to play SF than pay Josh Smith $12m a year over the same amount, even though Smith is a better player and younger. Smith at the 3 is just a disaster, and the only way that signing would work is if Monroe or Drummond was dealt to create a spot for him at the 4 at some point.

    • Jul 1, 20131:07 am
      by Jon

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      agreed. i’d actually be ok with trading monroe for maybe rondo or something to create some room for him at the 4 but if the plan is to trade monroe i’d much rather it be done for lamarcus aldridge and have no smith on the team

      • Jul 1, 20131:42 am
        by Ryan

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        If Monroe is going for Lamarcus, they could probably wait until the trade deadline to see if Moose and Dre work better than expected as starters. Overall, if we’re sending off Monroe (hopefully it doesn’t need to happen), it should be for someone at a position of need, and provided that we already have his replacement (Smith/Millsap/etc.) in place.

  • Jul 1, 20131:15 am
    by Max

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    Stop trading Monroe!  It’s outrageous!  And Monroe can shoot.   He just doesn’t have three point range.  Flanked by Drummond and Smith, Monroe will actually turn into a very good defender.   Name a better third shot blocker in anyone’s frontline than Monroe would be.   Name a better third best rebounder in anyone’s frontline than Smith would be.   The Pistons need to get back to defense.  Defense is the identity of the franchise and putting a great defensive team on the floor should always be the very next priority after pursuing a ring.  

    • Jul 1, 20131:32 am
      by Tyrone

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      I totally agree w/max.

      And to add to his comment, in my opinion, Drummond will befit the most by adding Smith and Monroe to the front line.  Drummond is still very young and raw, with a undeveloped NBA game. Drummond can hide some of his flaws when flanked by Monroe and Smith.

  • Jul 1, 20131:27 am
    by Wilson

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    Going after Josh Smith will be the biggest blonder of many big blonders the pistons have made….
    Sign Iggy ASAP, try and get Tyreke Evans.. That will get it done!!! 

  • Jul 1, 20131:59 am
    by joe

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    I hope Dumars can sign Josh Smith, the Pistons need to start making the playoff’s, anybody that want the Piston’s to be in the lottery next year must be an undercover Bobcat fan! I wish the Pistons pick next year is terrible that the Bobcat wind up drafting a bust.

  • Jul 1, 20132:11 am
    by Matt

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    Hey, I’m curious what your thoughts on acquiring Jeff Teague. I think we should go after him.

    • Jul 1, 20139:37 am
      by curriergroh

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      Jeff Teague makes a lot of sense to me.  I think we should be looking for less established players at the 3 position also.  Set everyone up to overachieve rather than under perform and give them at least one year to develop.  If everyone isn’t moving forward then bring in a star replacement and make a run.

      • Jul 1, 201310:06 am
        by Ryan

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        See previous posts for thoughts on Teague. He’s worth a run, but will probably be hard to get since Atlanta has so much cap.
         
        The Pistons will probably be forced to go with less established options in a week or 2, which is almost certainly a good thing, especially since they’ll have cap space again next summer.

  • Jul 1, 20132:45 am
    by Gus

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    I think that the man that really need the pistons are Tyreke Evans. 

    • Jul 1, 20133:02 am
      by Max

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      I agree if you are saying Evans needs the Pistons–they have cap room. 

      If you are saying the Pistons need Evans: not so much.   He’s not a point guard and he’s not a small forward.   The team just passed on the best point guard prospect in the draft in order to get KCP.  The team also needs outside shooting.  Evans is a terrible fit.  

  • Jul 1, 20132:46 am
    by Tom Y.

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    The Smith rumours make Iggy sound really good.

  • Jul 1, 20132:59 am
    by joe

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    hey if Dumars could loose his job after this year, he should go out swinging!

  • Jul 1, 20133:00 am
    by Walt

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    Sign Smith and Iggy.  Then trade Monroe for Rondo.  Become a championship contender right away.

    Rondo_Siva
    Pope_Knight
    Iggy_Mitchell
    Smith_JJ
    Andre _Slava

    • Jul 1, 20139:04 am
      by G

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      Amazing. There’s 2 guys on that 10 man rotation that can make a 3. And Mitchell is a 4, not a 3.

      • Jul 1, 201311:54 am
        by Walt

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        Mitchell, can play both… He can hit a three.  Iggy can hit A three.  Smith can hit A three.  JJ can hit a three.  Maybe not consistantly, but they can make some threes.  Who needs shooting when you’re fast breaking all day and grabbing tons of offensive rebounds from all you the horrible shots we produce. 

      • Jul 1, 201311:54 am
        by Walt

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        Mitchell, can play both… He can hit a three.  Iggy can hit A three.  Smith can hit A three.  JJ can hit a three.  Maybe not consistently, but they can make some threes.  Who needs shooting when you’re fast breaking all day and grabbing tons of offensive rebounds from all you the horrible shots we produce. 

        • Jul 1, 20132:12 pm
          by oats

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          Mitchell shot the 3 well as a freshman on only 41 attempts. He was then terrible as a sophomore with 100 attempts. It is a huge stretch to say he can shoot the 3. He might be able to shoot it, but most of the evidence suggests he really shouldn’t be taking it. He also is really slow for a SF. He’s slower than Paul Millsap, and Millsap is too slow for the 3. He’s clearly a PF.

  • Jul 1, 20133:06 am
    by Wolverines23

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    Eric Bledsoe. We should take up Caron Butler’s contract and send Siva/Singler or Siva/English, we need speed, defense, and more athleticism. Bledsoe can pass as well, he’d be a great fit with KCP.

    In terms of free agents, I’d prefer we take a better 3 point shooter then both Josh Smith and Andre Iggy, what happened to spacing the floor, as Joe Dumars claimed at the press conference for Drummond and Monroe to operate? Smith would add defense, but only if he can rely on his outside shooting which I’m not too sure of. I say no to Andre Iguodala. We could look at Martell Webster, Corey Brewer, why over pay these guys? Yes we do improve over night but if both Calderon and one of Smith or Iggy are resigned, how long is this lineup going to last? And Kevin Martin? Why? We have KCP, unless he’s willing to come off the bench, why would he leave OKC. The Jermey Lin report better be a bad rumor lol! I’d rather have Brandon Knight play the point or Rodney Stuckey then Lin. 

    Really hope we can steal Bledsoe, because Toronto seems to be aggressively pursuing him as of now, and they have successfully parted ways with Bargnani to the Knicks as well. 

    Hope the Pistons can add good pieces this month, but no reason to overspend for the popular guys, what happened to Joe Dumars now….? Going with the popular free agent signings? We need a guy like Shane Battier but younger to play the 3. Danny Granger would be perfect (but again injury concerns and he’s not getting younger).  

    • Jul 1, 20133:19 am
      by Max

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      If the Pistons sign Iggy or Smith, they will be a much improved playoff team and might win over 50 games.  

      If they sign Webster or Brewer, the team might be a bit improved but it will entirely based on Drummond’s improvement and they probably will just miss the playoffs and lose their pick next year.  

      The team has to spend a lot of money on someone or some combination of players.  They are not allowed to go into next season without adding a lot of salary.   Would you rather add impact players or journeymen?    I’ll be extremely disappointed if they don’t add an impact player as in a star.  There is no benefit to be had in not trying to win as many games as possible next season because, barring injuries, they are going to lose their pick.  

      • Jul 1, 201310:11 am
        by Ryan

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        All the way on board for signing Webster. But I’m not against a bunch of short deals so we can go after guys next year or have the flexibility to absorb/make trades during the season.
         
        Clippers need an SG, not just a salary dump, and the market for Bledsoe is intense right now. Unless they like Knight or we make KCP/Monroe available and broaden the trade, it’s not happening (takeaway: It’s not happening).

  • Jul 1, 20133:11 am
    by Max

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    @Dan…….you said it might be a question of whom the Pistons overpay.   Just wondering what percentage of players you think are appropriately paid.  I think most media and fans think that the vast majority of players are overpaid when the reality is that they get exactly what they deserve as per the collective bargaining agreement as a group.  Things become much grayer when looking at the individual salaries players receive but it seems pretty obvious to me that most players who are even consistently borderline all stars deserve salaries well north of 10 million a year.  So what is an appropriate contract for Iggy and Smith who have been consistently borderline all stars at the least for many years?  

  • Jul 1, 20133:22 am
    by joe

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    Rondo       Bynum     Siva
    KCP          Martin      English
    Greene      Middleton  Singler
    Smith        Mitchell    Jonas
    Drummond  Wright     Kravtsov  

    Trade Monroe, Stuckey and Knight for Rondo and Greene, find a sucker for Charlie V?

  • Jul 1, 20133:22 am
    by jay

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    i would rather have trevor ariza over smith but hes not a free agent

    • Jul 1, 20133:29 am
      by joe

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      You rather have Ariza playing PF instead of Smith?

  • Jul 1, 20134:05 am
    by Tom Y.

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    Iggy at least plays a position of need. Josh Smith is absolutely not a SF, and we have a much better PF. What the fuck is Joe thinking?

    Actually, I do have one idea what he might be thinking – he may be planning to trade Monroe and fill the gap with Smith, with Mitchell behind him. That’s a terrible idea, but maybe makes more sense than Smith at SF. Or maybe less. It’s hard to tell at these levels of horribleness.

  • Jul 1, 20134:29 am
    by Kaneda

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    Smith or Iggy would do it for me. Both aren’t great shooters but the talent upgrade at SF would be massive for us and would provide much needed defense. I really think that we need to resign Calderon.
    iggy shot chart 2012-13 – http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1063-Andre-Iguodala/season/2012-2013-REG
    smith shot chart 2012-13 – http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1084-Josh-Smith/season/2012-2013-REG
    I personally wish we would go after Deng or Wilson Chandler to fill our SF spot. I think both are a better fit for us.

  • Jul 1, 20134:40 am
    by Wolverines23

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    I hope we don’t waste our money on both IGGY and/or Josh Smith. 

    I’d rather see the following roster:

    Bledsoe – Jarrett Jack, Stuckey
    KCP – Rodney Stuckey/Caron Butler
    Jeff Green – Corey Brewer
    Greg Monroe – Tony Mitchell 
    Andre Drummond – Slava

    We could acquire Bledsoe mainly because Clippers need cap space to free up through Butler’s contract, and we would only give up Siva/Singler or Siva/English. There considering dealing Bledsoe to Toronto for Demar Derozan, because CP3 needs a SG next to him, I hope somehow we can steal him. His athleticism fits perfectly with KCP in the backcourt and Drummond/Mitchell.

    Trade Brandon Knight/Middleton/Jonas for Jeff Green (if James Harden can go for cheap so can Jeff Green, he helps the Celtics have more money to spend in FA down the road, they also get to experiment with BK7 as they will lose Jason Terry via trade with Nets).

    Green at the 3 makes perfect sense, a go to guy who can hit the 3 and take over a game as we saw in the playoffs, he was playing exactly like Paul Pierce and learned a lot from him. I think the Celtics would rather trade him then Rondo at this point. I don’t want to give up Monroe, Celtics biggest need is at power forward or center.  

    Jarrett Jack and Corey Brewer would be great pieces off the bench for us, with our available flexibility financially we won’t be overspending on players as well. Both Brewer and Jack were in the playoffs last year and were great pieces to their respected teams. Keeping Stuckey, because with a limited role he can be effective, as we saw during his first year in the playoffs, now he has the experience to start if someone goes down with an injury.

    With this roster we’d be close to the fourth or fifth best in the East, behind Miami, Indiana, Chicago, Brooklyn, New York and we would be much younger then Brooklyn/and NY. I also think Washington has a good chance to move up next year as well as Cleveland, Bucks will probably stay borderline. With Josh Smith/and or Iggy, we’d probably be in the same position, but we could do that for how long? 2 to 3 seasons? We can’t become the best in the East with them. We can with this group above. 

  • Jul 1, 20137:35 am
    by Vitals

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    Wolverines23, why would the Celtics trade Green? He’s 26, he’s their second best player, and he’s on a reasonable contract for the next couple of years. They’re rebuilding, so they want to keep good young players. And bringing up James Harden every time you want a team to make a stupid trade that benefits your team doesn’t help. (Also, Harden was traded for luxury tax purposes, and the Celtics are nowhere near that tax after their recent move).
    And why would the Clippers trade Bledsoe for our garbage? Bledsoe makes almost nothing this year, and while they would like to get rid of Caron Butler, doing so wouldn’t give them enough cap space to sign anyone meaningful. Plus they would have traded away their best bench player in Bledsoe. Don’t make sense.
    Lesson is…yes it would be great if we could get good players that fit our team without giving anything up, but teams rarely give those players away. Especially not for the flimsy reasons you’re suggesting.

    • Jul 1, 201310:17 am
      by Ryan

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      If Ainge is all-in on the Andrew Wiggins sweepstakes, there’s no telling what he’ll do. Green is up-and-down. They don’t really need him now. Not saying I see that happening, just that it’s interesting, and not impossible.

  • Jul 1, 20138:35 am
    by Keith

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    I’ll just say, you can tell Joe doesn’t subscribe to statistical analysis. It looks like he plans on creating the worst spacing team ever. I can’t wait to start 4 guys who can’t score outside the paint and the perpetually inconsistent Brandon Knight. We could legitimately contend for the worst offense in the league, despite all the individual talent on the floor.

    This feels like AI all over again. Players Joe has liked in the past and apparently never thought to ask whether they make any sense with the team he has. 

    • Jul 1, 20139:01 am
      by Keith

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      That said, if we sign Iggy, at least we’ll finally have a decent PG (Philly tended to be at their best when Iggy ran the point rather than Jrue).

      • Jul 1, 20139:08 am
        by G

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        You think Iguodala should run PG? I admit, he would be preferable to Knight & Stuckey, but…

        • Jul 1, 20139:17 am
          by Keith

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          I’m just going off what we have. I’m hoping we sign a 3 pt shooting PG, but in the meantimes since our next best options are Knight, Bynum, and Stuckey, I rather the ball be in Iggy’s hands than theirs.

  • Jul 1, 20139:18 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Smith is very talented…Talent Wise / Ability Wise he is top 10 ….

    Im not going to sit here and say what he’s not worth….

    We need to talk about what he is….

    Smith is a boarderline All-Star…
    He has probably been snubbed more because of his attitude verse his play.

    Last three years…he has been around 17-18ppg 8-9rebs 1.6blks, 1.5 stls and around 46-47% shooting….He is a great athlete, he hasnt had any major injuries, he is entering into the prime of his career, he is a well rounded and versatile player…he has averaged about 4 ast in 3 of the last 4 years…defensively he can defend the 3 and 4 position… in the era of the stretch 4, he can make a team pay for going small, because of his defense,rebounding and offensive skills…

    He in 2011 started shaping his body to become more of an NBA SF…

    His weakness isnt lack of skill, talent or ability…its the lack of leadership ability…

    Thats the part that scares me, not his talent….If the Pistons dont re-sign Bynum,Calderon, Maxiell and release Charlie…he Pistons average age is about 23 years old…. Josh Smith becomes the veteran …..The leader….and i think he is fine when things are going well, but he struggles mentally when more is required of him…

    • Jul 1, 20139:34 am
      by Keith

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      I would add one more caveat to Smith as a player. While a great defender and tremendous passer for his position, he is a criminally inefficient scorer. 50% TS the last two years (and 5 times in his 9 year career) is terrible. To put it in perspective, the only Pistons from last year’s team that Smith was more efficient than are Jason Maxiell, Charlie Villanueva, Kim English, and Corey Maggette. There is a very real argument to make that Smith will hurt our offense in a high usage role.

      Surrounded by shooters and finishers, where his passing becomes even more valuable, he is a positive. Surrounded by non-shooters that force him into more of a perimeter role, Smith (and the team) is likely to struggle.

      Joe is making a gamble on talent, which is better than making a gamble on just potential, but the fit for our team is questionable.

  • Jul 1, 20139:55 am
    by Fennis

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    A few things re T. Evans:

    First, he said he won’t play the 3 under any circumstances. That’s a problem, especially given that in the current era teams need players to have primary and secondary positions given the value of having varied styles of play. Add to that the KCP pick and the *restricted* FA status and it’s pretty obvious why Dumars hasn’t given Evans top priority. 

  • Jul 1, 20139:59 am
    by Fennis

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    I was lukewarm on the Smith signing, then warmer, and these posts have taken me all the way to antagonistic. One thing I’d add: you cannot field a competitive team in which all three front court players shoot below 70% from the free throw line. It’s a non-starter. 

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