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Pistons sign Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Tony Mitchell, Mitchell gets three-year contract

The Pistons have signed Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Tony Mitchell.

Caldwell-Pope will receive the standard 120 percent of the rookie salary scale, according to ShamSports.com.

More interestingly, Mitchell signed a three-year contract – though the third season is fully unguaranteed until the July preceding that season. That will allow the Pistons to hold his bird rights if he completes the contract.

Mitchell’s contract pays more than league minimum for the upcoming season. I’m not sure how far back you’d have to dig to find a Piston second-round pick who didn’t play in Europe – eliminating Kyle Singler and Mehmet Okur, both of whom received more – and got more than a minimum salary, but I bet it’s been quite some time. Though his pay bump is relatively small ($9,820) and he’ll make just the minimum the following two seasons, I wonder what Mitchell did to earn such an honor.

ShamSports.com also updated its info on free-agent contracts. A few nuggets:

All updates are now reflected on the contract information page.

43 Comments

  • Jul 25, 20137:46 am
    by Anthony

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    Good move on Mitchell. The chance he becomes really good we will have the bird rights. And didn’t KCP sign for 4 years technically? 2yrs+2yr team option?
    any word on Siva? I think we really need to sign this guy.  

    • Jul 25, 20139:49 am
      by tarsier

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      There’s no room on the roster for him. The Pistons would have to cut someone with guaranteed salary.

      Besides, why would “we” really need to sign him? How many PGs are already on the roster? 

      • Jul 25, 20131:31 pm
        by Anthony

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        I think Siva will be a better contributor than the players we should cut. Villanueva is dead space. Stuckey I think can turn it around, but not here. Will Bynum was a dumb signing. I think Siva should have had a chance to make the roster. Not to mention he did good in summer league. I know that means nothing, but I mean, it’s something lol. 

        • Jul 25, 20137:21 pm
          by tarsier

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          Let me ask you, how highly would you think of Siva if Detroit had not drafted him?

    • Jul 25, 20131:56 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      KCP is two years guaranteed plus two team-option years. As reflected here:

      http://www.pistonpowered.com/salary-chart/ 

  • Jul 25, 20138:26 am
    by RyanK

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    My understanding is the new CBA makes all second round players restricted and teams can go over the cap to resign them even without the bird rights.  It was called the Gilbert Arenas rule and it was added to the CBA back when it was revised in the previous version.  

     
    I wonder why Joe D didn’t front-load these contracts to the limit this season…Smith in particular.  If Joe paid Smith more this season, he could pay him less in the coming seasons.  Pay these guys a bigger percentage of their contracts this year and allow for more flexibility in come years.  Monroe is due to resign next year for a big pay raise.  Knight might breakout and become a big money guy in two years.  Andre will need a big contract in 3 years.  

    If Monroe, Knight, Andre, and Smith are all signed to large contracts, luxury tax will likely be a factor.   

    • Jul 25, 20138:32 am
      by Vince

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      The Pistons have something like 37M in capspace next season, thats enough to resign Moose to a solid contract, not to mention the upcoming years are fairly flexible cap-wise if we were to re-sign Dre/Knight/KCP. I wouldn’t worry about our cap situation.

      • Jul 25, 201310:17 am
        by tarsier

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        Where did you pull that number? I guess you’re assuming Jerebko doesn’t pick up his option, the Pistons don’t pick up their options on Drummond, Knight, Middleton, or Billups, and that–in spite of having only 6 guys under contract–there are no cap holds applied to the team.

        Jerebko would have to be fantastic to walk away from $4.5M. Middleton and Billups probably won’t be cut, but at least they are possibilities. Knight and Drummond definitely won’t be. So think more along the lines of $20M-maybe $25M in cap space.

        • Jul 25, 201310:33 am
          by Vince

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          Yeahp sorry, should’ve made that clear, I’m not including options. Even with options though, we’re looking at around 20M+ in space, which is still decent.

          • Jul 25, 20131:28 pm
            by tarsier

            If they were options that were unlikely to be picked up, I wouldn’t nitpick. But since 3-5 of them will almost certainly be picked up, it seems silly to dismiss them.

            And that $20+M in space is if Monroe walks. Really, he’ll be on the books for a hair over $10M until he signs a deal (probably for a higher rate).

            So either the Pistons give up Monroe or they are looking at about $11M in space. That’s decent, but not fabulous.

            If we’re lucky, that’ll fetch Granger or Deng. If Monroe gets traded for a PG, we could add Dirk, Cousins, and Bosh to the list of hopeful long-shots.

    • Jul 25, 20139:02 am
      by Keith

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      I wouldn’t worry too much about saving money for Knight. To date, he’s arguably not even lived up to his rookie salary.

      • Jul 25, 201310:04 am
        by tarsier

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        How much do you expect of a player who makes about $2.5M/yr? Knight is an above average backup. That easily lives up to his rookie contract.

    • Jul 25, 201310:01 am
      by tarsier

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      Because you can only slightly front-load contracts anyway. So a $54M/4 yr contract could go

      $12.65M, $13.22M, 13.78M, $14.35M
      or $13.5M, $13.5M, $13.5M, $13.5M
      or  $14.35M, 13.78M, $13.22M, $12.65M
      or anywhere in between.

      So that’s not a lot of difference between a front-loaded deal and a back-loaded one. That said, it’s no excuse for Dumars not to front-load it as much as possible. But do understand that he can’t do so very much.

      I haven’t seen full specifics of the deal yet, so who knows what its year-to-year looks like. But I’d assume that Dumars lacked the savvy to front-load it as much as possible because, let’s face it, when has he ever done something like that? 

      • Jul 25, 201310:59 am
        by MIKEYDE248

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        He could be leaving money open for this year because he is still hoping to pull off a trade where he needs the money this year too.  At least we can hope.

      • Jul 25, 201312:45 pm
        by frankie d

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        some teams use signing bonuses to front load their contracts.  that is how portland got wes matthews away from utah and they also signed millsap to that same kind of immediate-large-bonus contract that utah still biotches and moans about, because they matched it and it caused them plenty of headaches.
        there are lots of things joe d could have done, but that kind of creativity has never been his strong point. 

        • Jul 25, 20132:45 pm
          by tarsier

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          I thought the same thing. but it turns out that such scenarios are very limited.

          The Wes Matthews deal was basically just the equivalent of the third variant I posted above for how Smith’s contract could have been structured. But it was under the old CBA so the annual raises/declines in income could get up to 8% instead of 4.5%. Also, the discrepancy between the average salary and the highest year salary was slightly higher just because it ran 5 years instead of 4.

          Apparently, there are very few scenarios in which you can make a signing like Nick Collison’s with a big signing bonus all going to the cap sheet in the first year.

          Dumars couldn’t have front-loaded Smith’s contract much. But he should have done what little he could.

    • Jul 25, 20131:58 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      The Arenas Provision helps teams re-sign second-round picks on a one- or two-year contract, but it doesn’t completely guarantee the ability to go over the cap to sign that player. Bird rights afford teams different options. It’s case by case which scenario is more helpful to the team.

    • Jul 25, 20132:34 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      Check out the cap room:

      http://www.pistonpowered.com/salary-chart/

      There isn’t much left to front-load the contracts anymore than they have. Most contracts escalate. Flat rates for Smith, Billups and Datome are a step toward front-loading.

      • Jul 25, 20133:02 pm
        by tarsier

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        Yet another argument to amnesty CV or not sign Bynum.

  • Jul 25, 20138:27 am
    by Vince

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    I was watching some Mitchell’s highlight plays from SL and he is an absolute athletic freak, great defensive potential and has a good post game, solid choice by the front-office. 

    Relating to Siva, I’m annoyed but not surprised he didn’t make the cut, I thought he showed some good potential in SL. From what I’ve heard, the Pistons have been talking to Siva’s agent for a while and have explored the possibilities of him playing in Europe. I for one would pay close attention to the situation, I’m all for keeping Siva’s rights and it seems Joe D is too.

    • Jul 25, 201310:26 am
      by tarsier

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      Yet another good reason to have amnestied CV. I’m no big fan of Siva. But he, or anyone else, would now have to displace another guy to make the team.

      And signing Bynum was a big mistake. next summer, he could well be the difference between being able to offer a FA $11M and $14M. That’s significant, and I don’t expect Bynum to see a whole lot of court time anyway.

      With shortsighted moves like these over and over, I just don’t understand how people can keep trusting Dumars. 

      • Jul 25, 201310:39 am
        by Vince

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        Mo Cheeks actually wanted Bynum back, and I suspect its the main reason he was retained. I love Will but Siva could so what he does for less money and has way more upside and potential. 

        I strongly believe CV should’ve been amnestied, people also believe its wise to keep him around for the sake of his contract, but when you’re having a youth movement and trying to start a new era in Pistons basketball, you don’t keep a remnant of the crappy days around. CV has been joyriding with his huge contract for too long, we should’ve cut him.

        • Jul 25, 201311:11 am
          by Crispus

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          As the only big man on the team with shooting range, CV does possess some amount of on-the-court value. CV’s attitude and play improved drastically last season from the season before (recall the “ankle injury” that kept him out most of that season).

          Even if CV’s a 6 fouls and 3′s guy off the bench, I have a feeling he’ll be some use to the Pistons this season. Jerebko can take his place when he puts some consistent play together.

          • Jul 25, 20133:07 pm
            by tarsier

            What can CV do that Singler or Jerebko cannot replicate? They are comparably sized, comparable, shooters, better defenders, much better hustlers, and a lot cheaper.

          • Jul 25, 20133:38 pm
            by Crispus

            In theory nothing, but last season CV played better than Jerebko, and Singler’s services were needed at SF and SG. CV is completely confident in his 3 pointer, which was pretty important in a few games last year. I say keep him for trade or floor spacing. Amnestying him wouldn’t make him any cheaper in real dollars, just cap.

          • Jul 25, 20137:32 pm
            by tarsier

            2012-13 stats:

            Villanueva:
            6.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.8 apg, 38/35/55, 0.11 fta/fga

            Jerebko:
            7.7 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.9 apg, 45/30/77, 0.28 fta/fga

            And Jerebko was unquestionably the better defender. So in what way was Charlie better than Jonas?

            This season, there are a ton of Gs under contract and the best players on the team are all bigs. So the majority of the available minutes to any of CV, JJ, or Singler will probably be at SF. 

        • Jul 25, 201311:55 am
          by I HATE FRANK

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          I was against trying to Amnesty Charlie, for the reasons explained soo many time.

          End of the day he has more value than to be amnestied…

          I’d rather him come off the books or be trade bait

          • Jul 25, 20133:06 pm
            by tarsier

            He is not trade bait. Who wants a CV at $8.5M?

        • Jul 25, 20133:16 pm
          by tarsier

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          “ I love Will but Siva could so what he does for less money and has way more upside and potential. ”

          Is there anything to substantiate this? Since when does Siva have upside? Since when can he duplicate Bynum’s production? That’s a possibility, but it’s certainly not a given.

          I’m not a fan of the Bynum signing because he is superfluous. But it is absurd to suggest that the 56th pick can come right in and duplicate the production of a 6th year NBA veteran (7th year if you count his 15 games with Golden State). 

      • Jul 25, 201311:08 am
        by MIKEYDE248

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        I liked the bynum signing up until they resigned Billups, but we still don’t know which Billups we are getting.  He only played in 42 games the last 2 years put together.  If that is the Billups we get, I think the Bynum signing could still be a good one.

        Would love to see CV & Stuckey gone at some point this year.  If that were to happen, I would really like the team they have this year.

        • Jul 25, 201312:56 pm
          by frankie d

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          exactly right on bynum.
          siva could do almost everything bynum does at 1/4 the price.
          you’d save money and develop a young player.
          its just the same old story, so far as putting together a roster.  joe gets stuck on players and can’t let them go absent some kind of exigent circumstances.
          it’s just ridiculous that you draft a guy, he obviously fits a need on your team, and you don’t have the roster space to accomodate him.
          regarding mitchell…
          probably a good move to tie him up for as long as possible.  he looks like he will, at least, be a serviceable rotation player, if given a real shot.  i think it’s pretty clear that he can run and rebound and maybe even defend at the nba level.  as long as he does that, he’ll be worth the money.  if they play him and he produces reasonably well, he will be a steal by the end of his contract.
          nice move by dumars. 
          unfortunately, for every nice move like that, he does 2 or 3 dumb things. 

          • Jul 25, 20131:03 pm
            by Huddy

            “siva could do almost everything bynum does” based on what?

      • Jul 25, 201311:11 am
        by Huddy

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        I dont know about a big mistake signing Bynum.  The difference between offering a FA 11M and 14M only matters if there is a FA out there worth 14M that is a fit for the team and scanning the list of FA next year none really jump out at me that would command that dollar amount(especially factoring in no PFs or C are needed for sure).  That is all based on not moving any of the teams current roster in trade as well. 
         
        Bynum seems like a luxury if the team can plan on Billups playing big minutes and Knight moving forward as a PG, but neither of those things can really be planned on. 

        • Jul 25, 20133:21 pm
          by tarsier

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          Let’s say you sign one guy for $8M. Then it’s the difference between offering another guy $3M or $6M. It is a mistake because Bynum is not needed.

          If the Pistons were going to be between the cap and the tax anyway, $3M one way or the other is not a big deal. But when you will have significant cap space, you don’t want to waste $3M of it on your 3rd-4th PG.

          Also, there are lots of FAs that could be worth that price tag. And the numbers could easily shift a few million between now and then anyway. So then it might be the difference between $15M and $18M or between $8M and $11M. It is stupid to waste future cap space on a guy who adds basically nothing to the team.

          • Jul 25, 20139:44 pm
            by Huddy

            Didn’t address the Billups/knight security.

            you made the scenario where Bynum is a mistake even more complicated, which mmakes how big a mistake it is even more suspect.  Who worth 18 m is detroit going after?  It’s a pretty specific situation where the pistons need that much space for one guy and of the team is adding two pieces with the roster how it is it more likely a trade is happening anyway.

            if Bynum was straight up the 4th PG I agree, but like I mentioned none of the PGs above are really reliable which makes PG security a little more important for the Pistons than the average team.
            I’m not saying its the teams best signing, but idk about huge mistake. 

          • Jul 25, 201310:39 pm
            by tarsier

            My point is simple. It seems I have overcomplicated it to you by providing multiple scenarios. But it comes down to the fact that the Pistons will be under the cap next year and Will Bynum is not worth $3M of that cap space (no matter how much the total comes out to and regardless of whether it all gets spent on on guy or gets split between a couple).

            Whether it is a huge mistake depends on how you define that. It probably won’t be disastrous, so in that sense it is a minor mistake. But on the other hand, it is a very obvious mistake with no chance for upside and virtually no chance to even break even. There is zero reason to do it. In that sense it is a huge mistake because it offers no opportunity to pay off. Think of it like trading a late second round pick for nothing. It won’t hurt you much, but it won’t help you at all.

            The PGs ahead of Bynum are not reliable. That may be true. But three unreliable PGs is enough. What is the point of adding a fourth unreliable one? Heck, the Pistons could always sign one midseason if it ended up being an issue. 

  • Jul 25, 201311:38 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    I feel like this deal means the Pistons are going to really try to move Jonas….

    We all know Stuckey, and Charlie are trade bait… But Jonas would be part of any package deal

    • Jul 25, 201311:48 am
      by MIKEYDE248

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      I can see Jonas as one of those players that will blossom on another team.  He was one of our only bright spots in his rookie season, then came the injury.  He played really tentative after that, but finally started getting his confidence back near the end of last season.  And Frank screwed him for most of last season.  Sure he started off playing really bad, but if he continued to get some minutes, he could have gotten out of his slump much earlier in the season.

      • Jul 25, 201312:28 pm
        by Huddy

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        He might play well somewhere else, but this gets said about just about everyone the team moves really.  I read the same sad story about how Austin Daye would have shined if given a better shot from too many commentors when he was traded (until he also did nothing for Memphis).  At the end of the day Jonas may be good, but he is not better than Monroe and Smith making him an expensive luxury as a 3rd PF on top of the fact that Mitchell has potential at the position at a much lower cost.  It makes more sense to free up flexibility to acquire a starting level PG than it does to have an overpaid hustle player get 10 min a game at the 4.

  • Jul 25, 201311:38 am
    by David

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    Offseason isn’t over. Let’s not talk about Siva in the past tense just yet. The Pistons have until Sept 6 (I think) to give him an offer sheet, and he’s got about a month after that to sign it or not (in which case the Pistons retain his draft rights and he’d have to play in the D-League or Europe or elsewhere).

    There’s another 6 weeks or so for Dumars to potentially make a 2 for 1 trade, opening up a roster spot for Siva.

    Alternately the Pistons and Siva could work out (a fairly common) under the table deal where they make him an offer which he doesn’t sign so they can retain his draft rights while he goes and plays overseas or in the D-League. 

    • Jul 25, 201312:32 pm
      by Huddy

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      Better yet lets not talk in the future like Siva is a stud that needs a roster spot one month after being drafted 56th just because of a good summer league.

      • Jul 25, 20133:34 pm
        by tarsier

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        A good summer league is still overstating it. More like a decent summer league.

    • Jul 25, 20133:34 pm
      by tarsier

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      Do you know how many trades get made at this time of the season. The odds are well under 10% that Dumars pulls a 2-for-1 anytime soon. Even if he did, the odd at that point would probably be about 50/50 that he then signs Siva.

      You just don’t make personnel decisions over a 56th pick who has yet to show anything.

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