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Pistons to sign Josh Smith to four-year, $56 million contract

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports:

Josh Smith has agreed to a four-year, $56 million deal with the Detroit Pistons, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The best free agent left on the market chose the Pistons.

Is he a perfect fit in Detroit? No. Does his contract come at a bargain price for the Pistons (the initial figure leaked in Pistons’ contracts is often lower than the actual salary)? No.

But could this all work out? Absolutely, because Smith is so darned talented.

More reaction coming.

79 Comments

  • Jul 6, 20134:30 pm
    by Brandon Knight

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    Great move! now we just need to trade for Rondo!

    Rondo
    Knight
    Josh Smith
    Greg Monroe
    Andre Drummond

    Sick lineup! What do you guys think?

    And I know we need more shooters! 
     

    • Jul 6, 20134:35 pm
      by Jack56

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      The only way you get Rondo is by trading Knight or Monroe….

      • Jul 6, 20134:58 pm
        by Brandon Knight

        Reply

         I would trade Monroe since we have Smith. But I doubt the Pistons would trade him.

      • Jul 6, 20135:34 pm
        by Pimp Zombie

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        Knight AND Monroe.
         

        • Jul 6, 20135:48 pm
          by Brandon Knight

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          Knight and Monroe for Rondo! No thank you… that’s too much.

          • Jul 6, 20136:41 pm
            by Who Is Us

            Rondo can’t shoot, would actually be one of the worst possible choices for a line up with Smith, Monroe, and Drummond.

    • Jul 6, 20135:37 pm
      by Pimp Zombie

      Reply

      Nooooooo….who in that lineup can hit an open jumpshot? Pisons shouldnt get a single player from this point on that cant shoot.

    • Jul 6, 20135:48 pm
      by Pimp Zombie

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      The Greg Monroe Trade watch begins…….NOW. Give us J. Lin and Chandler Parsons and you can have him, Houston!

    • Jul 6, 20136:37 pm
      by jamesjones_det

      Reply

      I’ll put money down that Greg isn’t going anywhere.  I would have taken Jack over Rondo with a bum knee but he’s gone now.

  • Jul 6, 20134:33 pm
    by Black_Magic

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    trading for rondo is gonna cost either moose or Dre. If we HAD to give up one, id rather give up moose. But this is an interesting stat. LeBron James and Josh Smith were only 2 players to average at least 17 Pts, 8 Reb & 4 Ast in 2012-13.

    • Jul 6, 20134:59 pm
      by Huddy

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      Interesting but skewed stat.  Blake Griffin, David Lee, Monroe, Al Horford are all within about half an assist of this stat line (with better rebounding in most cases)  Gasol Brothers are about the same with  a little lower scoring and Pau playing off the bench.  The 17 8 and 4 are just a cut off point that make Smith look superior when hes not.  Lebron averages 3 more apg and 9ppg more…its not like they are on the same tier, 

      • Jul 6, 20135:13 pm
        by Derek

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        Interesting…and yet Griffin, Lee, Horford, & Gasols are all All Stars (Monroe could be an all star) Nobody is in a LeBron tier, but I’ll take an all star tier player at less than 14 per year, especially one that brings it on the defensive end.

        • Jul 6, 20135:27 pm
          by oats

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          Smith has never been an All Star. If you actually care about shooting percentages then he doesn’t belong in an All Star game and is clearly on a tier below those other guys that have made an All Star game. The only year he arguably may have belonged is the year he stopped shooting 3s as a 24 year old. I’m betting playing SF some guarantees we won’t see the Smith that avoids shooting 3s again. No, he’s not an All Star caliber player.

          • Jul 6, 20137:28 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            He has been considered a deserving all-star atleast Twice….

          • Jul 6, 20139:19 pm
            by G

            Smith should have made it once or twice based on his defense alone. I swear, all they look at is PPG and RPG.

        • Jul 6, 20136:37 pm
          by Huddy

          Reply

          “Nobody is Lebron.” That’s the whole point.  Acting like Smoth is somewhere near Lebrons tier because of a misleading stat is bad.  I like Smooth, but he is no more like Lebron than any other double double player really.  There is a huge difference between saying a guy is a borderline all star and trying to link him to Lebron-like play because of a set of stats that don’t tell the whole story.  

      • Jul 6, 20135:19 pm
        by Derek

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        Also interesting that all those players (except Monroe, so far) have made an All Star team. Yes nobody in the league is on LeBron’s level but I’ll take an all star Tier player for under 14 mill per.

  • Jul 6, 20134:35 pm
    by Max

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    I’m back to loving Dumars as the GM.   Just hope he doesn’t trade Monroe.   Drummond, Monroe and Smith is a monster front lines that could lead the league or come close to leading all front lines in blocks, rebounds and steals.   The DEFENSE is back big time!  

  • Jul 6, 20134:37 pm
    by Todd

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    At the very least, the fact that we got such a big-time FA at a price that wasn’t overly exorbitant, means that Detroit is not in as bad of shape as we had hoped (even if most of the bidders were out of the game). 

    Truth is, this gives us options. Many have already designed a split of time with each of the big 3 getting 36 minutes a game, which could work. We could still see a trade for a real PG, which could potentially open up some looks for the big boys down low. As it is right now while it may be clogged – we should get some serious offensive rebounds and low-post scoring out of this trio.  

    • Jul 6, 20136:00 pm
      by Tony J

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      I agree with the fact that this signing gives us leverage. Smith is talented and you should never let a talented player slip away easily. This gives the Pistons some wiggle room and give them the option to give Moose, Dre and Smith 36 minutes each or explore trade options. People worried about how Smith fits on the roster shouldn’t be worrying too much.

  • Jul 6, 20134:39 pm
    by Jack56

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    I also, hope we don’t trade Moose unless it is an awesome deal…I’m looking at Teague as a possibility in a sign and trade with the Hawks.

    • Jul 6, 20135:01 pm
      by oats

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      I like Teague, but I’m not interested in this idea. Monroe is better and younger than Teague. This definitely seems like Atlanta would be winning that trade.

    • Jul 6, 20139:28 pm
      by G

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      Why not offer Teague the $8M & just try to steal him from Atlanta? I’m not in favor of a sign & trade at this point.  Agree, Monroe is a better player than Teague and a sign & trade that dumps Monroe on Atlanta makes no sense. Sign & trades are almost invariably 3 quarters for a dollar deals. Say, Stuckey & Charlie V or something.

      • Jul 7, 20134:00 am
        by Dan Feldman

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        That would be next move, as well, though I don’t think Teague would accept that offer sheet. And even if he does, I think Atlanta would match.

        But the other options are so poor, there would be minimal downside to letting the Hawks keep Detroit’s cap room tied up for three days while deciding whether to match. 

      • Jul 7, 20133:33 pm
        by Huddy

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        From what I’ve read Teague is upset with not getting an offer yet and the hawks might be looking to spend bigger on someone like pekovic so it might not be so crazy.

  • Jul 6, 20134:46 pm
    by oats

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    I’m not exactly happy with this deal, but I don’t hate it. It’s lower than I thought Smith would get, so he should be an asset that can be moved if necessary. I’m actually ok with this move as long as the team doesn’t dump Monroe for a short term improvement.

    • Jul 6, 20135:22 pm
      by Tony J

      Reply

      I’m with you man. I’m not a big fan of Smith but this dude has MASSIVE talent. The fact that we got him at 14 Mil is surprising. This team has been bad for 5 years and he could have went to teams like the Lakers or even to Houston with his buddy Dwight in a sign and trade deal. 16 Mil was his asking price coming into free agency but we managed to knock that price down by 2 mil.

      That extra 2 mil leaves us at about 10 Million left to spend. What do you think about the Pistons using most of that 10 mil to sign Smith’s teammate Jeff Teague?

      • Jul 6, 20135:41 pm
        by oats

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        I had Teague as my favorite free agent target the whole time, ahead of Smith and Iggy. I doubt he’s available though. They just got Millsap cheap, so they have money to afford Teague and little else to go after in free agency. I guess they might decide to do something odd like make a run at Monta Ellis, but that’s not exactly a good plan. I’m going to assume Teague is staying put.
         
        In other news, I saw Jack is going to Cleveland for a little over $6 million a year. Detroit doesn’t have the money to throw at Jennings, and I’m actually happy about that. Are there any point guards worth getting in free agency if I’m right about Atlanta keeping Teague? It looks like we’re down to the Mo Williams, Devin Harris, Beno Udrih group. Yeah, it’s looking like we’ll see a Knight/Stuckey battle for the starting PG job. I’m also starting to think Bynum will come back.

        • Jul 6, 20136:07 pm
          by Tony J

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          Agreed and I don’t fancy much of the Moose for Rondo trade talk. Moose is younger and Rondo just came off of an ACL injury and he drove both Doc Rivers and Ray Allan away from Boston. That’s a lot of negatives coming in for Moose who is talented, young and causes no problems from what I hear. I just hope Brandon Knight learns a lot from Cheeks and actually improve as a PG this year. Fingers crossed!!!

  • Jul 6, 20134:58 pm
    by Jack56

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    Who would you rather have?:

    Rondo: Knowing it would likely cost us Monroe

    Teague: In a sign and trade w/ Hawks

    Jarret Jack

    Other (BURKE IS NOT AN OPTION!!! LET IT DIE :)       

    • Jul 6, 20135:09 pm
      by oats

      Reply

      Ah, my mistake, I thought you were including Monroe in the sign and trade. Never mind then. I don’t know what we’re sending out to them to make it so they don’t just keep Teague. I guess if the salary is high enough they might threaten to match unless they get Knight and Singler or something, but it still seems unlikely the move is a sign and trade.

    • Jul 6, 20136:41 pm
      by Huddy

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      With Jack now gone I have no idea what the team is going to do.  I ffeel like there’s no chance Teague isn’t resigned, the hawks are way too depleted.  Rondo seems like to high a price tag…might have to accept Knoght is starting at the point. 

    • Jul 6, 20136:42 pm
      by jamesjones_det

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      My first choice would be Jack but he’s gone to the Cavs.  I would be happy with Teague, having seen many many players never be the same after an ACL surgery I don’t want Rondo at all.  If he was in his last year sure, but if he’s done do to that ACL I don’t want a another 13 mill bad contract.

      • Jul 6, 20138:55 pm
        by Max

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        The team could still use the cap money to acquire a PG through trade.   I’d rather see Luke Ridnour or Andre Miller come to Detroit than the free agent names I’m hearing. 

  • Jul 6, 20135:06 pm
    by acr

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    Nice!  Smith, Drummond, and Monroe is a beast of a front line.  Now we need to find a few shooters and a veteran PG via trade.  Jack just signed with Cleveland, so he’s out…

  • Jul 6, 20135:06 pm
    by Tony J

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    I agree Dan. Is this the best move in terms of fitting on this team? No but at the end of the day, J-Smoove has talent. I am not a big Josh Smith fan but I feel like this was a good move for the Pistons. You should never let a talented player slip away just because you are “set” at a position. Unless you have LeBron or a top 10 player in the league, you can never be content. Go after talent no matter how the team looks. Were there better fits for the team? Yes but again, Smith IMO is the 3rd maybe 4th best player in this free agent class.

    I also believe that at 14 Mil, this signing was decent if anything. It would’ve been a steal if we could get him for 12 Mil but he would have declined that easily. It would have been a bad deal if we signed him to his asking price of 16 Mil or higher. 14 Mil is decent for a player at his skill level. PLEASE don’t try to compare Smith to CV and BG because Smith has much more talent than them.

    SN: I do believe that Smith will play SF (with some minutes at PF.) Joe Dumars stated that he was looking for more athleticism at the SF position and that’s what Josh Smith brings. I know a lot of people worry about his less-than-average long 2 and 3 point shooting but Dumars must have some confidence BK7 and KCP to be 3 point threats and for Monroe to develop a consistant mid-range game. Don’t get me wrong, I want Smith to spend most of his minutes at the PF position but I think Dumars may feel differently based on his statements. Let’s also not forget that Smith WANTS to play SF instead of PF and that could have also been a driving factor for him to sign with us.

  • Jul 6, 20135:08 pm
    by Tony J

    Reply

    I agree Dan. Is this the best move in terms of fitting on this team? No but at the end of the day, J-Smoove has talent. I am not a big Josh Smith fan but I feel like this was a good move for the Pistons. You should never let a talented player slip away just because you are “set” at a position. Unless you have LeBron or a top 10 player in the league, you can never be content. Go after talent no matter how the team looks. Were there better fits for the team? Yes but again, Smith IMO is the 3rd maybe 4th best player in this free agent class.I also believe that at 14 Mil, this signing was decent if anything. It would’ve been a steal if we could get him for 12 Mil but he would have declined that easily. It would have been a bad deal if we signed him to his asking price of 16 Mil or higher. 14 Mil is decent for a player at his skill level. PLEASE don’t try to compare Smith to CV and BG because Smith has much more talent than them.SN: I do believe that Smith will play SF (with some minutes at PF.) Joe Dumars stated that he was looking for more athleticism at the SF position and that’s what Josh Smith brings. I know a lot of people worry about his less-than-average long 2 and 3 point shooting but Dumars must have some confidence BK7 and KCP to be 3 point threats and for Monroe to develop a consistant mid-range game. Don’t get me wrong, I want Smith to spend most of his minutes at the PF position but I think Dumars may feel differently based on his statements. Let’s also not forget that Smith WANTS to play SF instead of PF and that could have also been a driving factor for him to sign with us.

  • Jul 6, 20135:10 pm
    by wilmer sanders

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    great move,i see a little rotation coming along here now all we need is a point guard 

  • Jul 6, 20135:10 pm
    by Javell

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    Great now we will make the playoffs yesssss!

  • Jul 6, 20135:18 pm
    by RyanK

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    It’s a bit more than I would have like to have seen, but at least we’re adding a talented player.  We in essences traded Prince for Smith…most would say we upgraded the spot, but tied up a lot more salary doing it.

    Can we trade this contract in the future if it doesn’t work out?    

    • Jul 7, 20132:56 am
      by Dan Feldman

      Reply

      If the Pistons never made the Prince-Calderon trade, they still would have had enough cap room to sign Smith.

  • Jul 6, 20135:21 pm
    by Kobina

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    Anyone who does not like this deal is out of their mind.  Smith is better than any player on our team and that makes us a better team… PERIOD!  People talk about Dumars overvaluing players yet talk about the Monroe, Drummond pairing like it has already dominated the league, or that it is guaranteed to reach the lofty height they have imagined for it.

    This team needed a talent infusion and it just got a major one.  For the record, getting talent, makes it easier to get more talent.  If DET makes the playoffs and looks like a team on the rise; which I feel very good about now, next year’s free agents will look more favorably in this direction.  Do not forget, we still have additional cap space left and the expiring deals of CV and Stuckey to continue making roster upgrades.  Hell, we could start the season with this lineup and be in excellent position for a deadline deal.

    This is a Piston win, enjoy it. 

    • Jul 6, 20135:37 pm
      by mike

      Reply

      oh man I’m buying what you are selling!

      So true on the Monroe/Drummond fans who grossly overrate them based on 10 meaningless games. We don’t even know if Monroe can play PF full-time yet, so its way to soon to proclaim them as a dominant duo. Getting Smith means we now have a backup plan in place if Moose/Dre don’t fit or Moose can’t play SF, and we have starting SF in place in the meantime, who posted 17/8/4 last year 2nd to only LeBron. Who can be mad at that??? 

      • Jul 6, 20139:02 pm
        by Max

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        Monroe has played plenty of power forward with Big Ben at center and looked much more comfortable doing so.   Am I the only one who remembers this?   

        Personally, I feel Josh Smith and Greg Monroe have played out of position most of their careers and it’s funny how people identify them now with a position they were not drafted to play and at best reluctantly filled.   Atlanta has been playing small ball for years.   Al Horford has played his whole career at center.   That doesn’t mean he is a center and he and his father have been trying to convince Atlanta to acquire a center so Horford can play his natural position of power forward for years.    I’m not saying Josh Smith is a natural small forward exactly but would say he is a classic tweener who is a bit undersized at power forward and it’s a position he’d prefer not to play.    The questions of whether he can defend small forward is pretty silly.  He is one of the best defensive players in the league and I could name players for hours like Larry Johnson and Michael Beasely who played small forward and brought much less to the table defensively.  

  • Jul 6, 20135:24 pm
    by jacob

    Reply

    just heard deal is for 54 mil not 56

  • Jul 6, 20135:29 pm
    by Lorenzo

    Reply

    Interesting move….lets see how they continue to shape the roster in the months to come. The squad still needs more shooting help and the big question will still be what they do with the 1 guard spot. I’m guessing the trade market is what we keep our eyes on now.

  • Jul 6, 20135:39 pm
    by Otis

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    This was a good and necessary move. You didn’t dump a future first round pick so you could sit on your hands and wait for next year’s class. That was an AWFUL trade, and this is a best-case scenario in its aftermath. I’m very surprised at how reasonably priced this deal is, too. Not sure what the fuss is about. He’s a big infusion of talent, and an ideal backup plan if Moose can’t adapt to PF. At the very least, we needed to make sure that the pick we owe Charlotte is as unattractive as possible.

  • Jul 6, 20135:40 pm
    by Russell C

    Reply

    The question is can Cheeks keep these guys motivated, especially if they get Rondo. Right now its a pretty good starting five. The bench has some talent but its redundant with Singler, Jerebko, Mitchell, and Middleton

  • Jul 6, 20135:41 pm
    by Theoneandonlyhahah

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    Goood move jd now we have alot of free agents left thats will be goood now look at this http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2013/ this is all left brandon jennigs monta ellis that might cost alot but if we can get someone cheat probably like dj or jeff but im saying we still have good option but we need it at the right cost that when we’ll start contending agianst the heat

  • Jul 6, 20135:43 pm
    by Brandon Knight

    Reply

    This site crashes too much! It’s becoming annoying.

  • Jul 6, 20135:44 pm
    by David

    Reply

    So that Prince/Daye – Calderon/Davis – Gay trade:

    Memphis ended up with Prince at 7.7 million for the next season
    Toronto will pay Gay 17.8 and 19.3 million next two seasons
    Detroit will pay Smith 54 over the next 4 seasons (13.5 a season)

    Dumars did alright there. Upgraded the SF without paying Rudy Gay money.

  • Jul 6, 20135:46 pm
    by Tempts4ever

    Reply

    I wouldn’t be surprised to hear Joe upping the ante with Toronto; adding Monroe to the mix. If we got back Gay and Klieza Toronto would get significant cap relief; Raptors would be around 14 mil under the cap. Not talking about the volume of shots Gay takes or whether Klieza could help or not but someone whom the Grizzlies sorely needed against the Spurs. Rudy closed out some pretty tight games while in Memphis:

    6 Rudy G game winners:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttHBHC7BqTk  

    More winners here:

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rudy+gay+game+winners&oq=rudy+gay+game+winners&gs_l=youtube.1.0.0.5313.12690.0.15030.27.19.1.7.8.0.289.2706.5j9j4.18.0…0.0…1ac.1.11.youtube.iQeLEJKMAVs  

  • Jul 6, 20135:47 pm
    by jack

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    I like the deal and the price is right. if we move Monroe for Rondo we have to sign Brandan Wright or try to make a salary dump for Omer Asik (Rockets also have no depth). I would have liked to get Jack, but he signed a deal with CLE that makes me want to puke. over all I think we can get some primo free agents next year with the signing.

  • Jul 6, 20135:53 pm
    by Jack56

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    The PG’s are signing fast…the only one out there I really like is Teague…I would much rather try for him than offer Monroe for Rondo…

    What other PG’s are out there?

      

    • Jul 6, 20136:15 pm
      by oats

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      I think the Mo Williams, Devin Harris, and Beno Udrih group is available. That isn’t pretty, but they can at least create a relatively low bar for Knight to hurdle before he starts. I think that’s about it for guys with a chance to start. I think the most likely scenario is Bynum comes back. I’m mentally preparing myself for the Knight/Stuckey PG battle, winner starts and the loser is a 6th man.

  • Jul 6, 20136:01 pm
    by jack

    Reply

    Brandon Jennings in a salary dump sign and trade.

    • Jul 6, 20136:44 pm
      by jamesjones_det

      Reply

      Given they just signed Mayo I don’t think they are thinking Salary dump, but maybe.

  • Jul 6, 20136:04 pm
    by Lorenzo

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    I would shy away from Teague….honestly I’m not a huge fan of his, but that’s the type of player I see Knight developing into. No point in paying over the odds for a RFA that provides a likely short term benefit, rather us invest in more shooting. 

    • Jul 6, 20136:32 pm
      by oats

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      I disagree strongly on both counts. Teague is exactly the kind of player I would want to go after in free agency. He’s reasonably productive, putting up 14.6 points, 7.2 assists, and 2.9 turnovers with solid shooting numbers. He’s also young, and has steadily improved every season. That’s exactly the kind of guy I want to add.
       
      Knight on the other hand has never shown any signs that he will be a competent point guard. Teague had better than 2 assists per turnover every year in the league. Knight has 2 seasons with a 1.5 assists per turnover rate, which is not good enough for a starting PG that doesn’t score like Kyrie Irving. Knight also made no progress on offense from year one to year 2. To expect him to catch up to Teague seems bizarre to me. It would require a huge jump in his passing ability that just doesn’t happen often enough to expect any single player to do it.

      • Jul 6, 20136:46 pm
        by jamesjones_det

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        I’m not a fan of his A/TO ratio but if we don’t overpay i’m in agreement about Teague being a decent fit.

        • Jul 6, 20137:26 pm
          by oats

          Reply

          Teague is a bit turnover prone, but a 2.5 assist per turnover rate is pretty solid. ESPN has him ranked 26th amongst all players. Not all of the guys ahead of him are point guards, and several of them aren’t guys I’d want to start (AJ Price is 3rd for example). I think that I can safely say guys that fail to get to 4 assists a game are not guys I’m keen on starting at the point. Those guys also might have the most unreliable assist to turnover ratios anyways. If those guys are thrown out then Teague moves up to 20th. I can live with that.

      • Jul 6, 20137:55 pm
        by Brandon Knight

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        First of all he didn’t play two seasons, and second he was not a full time PG like Teague. He had to share his minutes with like 3 other PG’s. For the first shortened season when Bynum and Stuckey were on the court with him he played the SG position. So it was half half, 15 minutes SG and 15 minutes PG. The second season same thing happened for the first half of the season. and the second half we traded for Calderon and he never played the PG position after. He was also hit by injuries and was coached by the crappy Frank. 

        So summarizing: 1. He was never put in a position to succeed . 2. He was never given time to prove himself. 

         

        • Jul 6, 20138:02 pm
          by Brandon Knight

          Reply

          He missed about 50 games from playing the PG position. That includes injuries, lockout, and playing with Calderon. So do you think its fair to judge him when he only played 114 and wasn’t a full time PG?

          • Jul 6, 20138:48 pm
            by oats

            Yes I do, and your point is irrelevant. I feel like I should start of by saying that Teague had about 1700 minutes his first two years in the league. Your memory of Knight’s minutes are also wrong. Knight was clearly the point guard all year up to the trade. He got 48 games in before Calderon joined the team, and played 30+ minutes a night. That’s nearly 1500 minutes before the trade. He played some point guard after it, and he played it last year too. He has more minutes at the point than Teague had by the end of year 2.
             
            Assist to turnover ratio is not a purely point guard stat, just one that matters most for point guards. His entire time at the point he had a 1.5 assist per turnover ratio, and as a shooting guard he has a 1.5 assist per turnover ratio. When he’s at the point his assists go up some, but his turnovers go up at the same rate. It’s a constant ratio for him across positions and seasons. It’s also not good enough.

  • Jul 6, 20136:13 pm
    by frankie d

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    Deja vu all over again.  Guess dumars learned nothing from his 09 debacle.
    Another instance of signing  a talented player who is a bad fit in a way that will limit the teams ability to move forward.
    Sorry, just another bad dumars move on top of all the others.  The only positive is that he did not give him a max deal so he can move him if necessary.  Unfortunately, dumars recent history of fixing his problems has been very poor.
    So…after the draft and now with the big free agent signing the team still has the same basic problems it had previously.
    What a sick joke.

    • Jul 6, 20136:34 pm
      by mike

      Reply

      If you can’t see how he fits, that’s your problem, not Dumars’.

    • Jul 6, 20137:13 pm
      by labatts

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      Frankie, I find it hard not to agree with you, but (since there is no alternative), I will take a wait and see approach.  Clearly, Dumars is manuevering for his job, and not the best interests of the team.  Hopefully for our sake, he can make both work.

      I have to assume this is not the final lineup. 

  • Jul 6, 20136:16 pm
    by David

    Reply

    What do you guys think about trying to get Dragic from Phoenix (since they got Bledsoe)?
    Stuckey and BK for Dragic and one of the Marcus bros 
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k7mk4gn
     
    Probably have to throw a 2nd rounder in as well (hopefully not a future first)

    • Jul 6, 20136:51 pm
      by oats

      Reply

      I’m interested, but I doubt Phoenix is. They’ve already talked about playing Dragic and Bledsoe together. Bledsoe is a bad passer. Dragic is also a big point guard at 6’4″. My guess is they just stick Bledsoe on the better back court player and Dragic takes the other guy. Dragic will run the point and Bledsoe will play the 2 on offense. That makes sense to me. I really don’t think Phoenix is that interested in moving Dragic.

  • Jul 6, 20137:34 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    So are you complaining that we become a better team? Was not that the goal off the offseason? … You guys are terrible…we are way better than last year

    • Jul 6, 20138:50 pm
      by oats

      Reply

      I would say the goal is to improve the team’s long term prospects and not just the immediate results.

  • Jul 6, 20137:48 pm
    by sebastian

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    Okay, I will write it since no one else well. The Pistons already have their starting PG. It is Rodney Stuckey. Rodney is not as bad as you guys make him out to be.
    Fact: He will be working with his 5th coach, if he is on the roster when the season stars.
    Fact: The best coach that he’s had was Flip, during his rookie season. Fact: He’s always played on a roster that has had a crowded back court.
    Fact: In his  6 year career, he has averaged: 13.4 pts, 4.2 ast, 3.1 rbs, 1.0 stls., 82% from the line. His three point shooting hasn’t been good (.288%), but he can probably shoot better if the Pistons, the team can ever get things going.
    Stuckey’s ability to get to the line, get calls from officials is an underrated quality about his game that every winning team needs. Don’t forget this point, when you jumping down my throat blasting off about Stuckey’s ineptness and bad attitude that I still am not totally sure exist.
    Has anyone ever read anywhere that Stuckey’s teammates don’t like playing with him? If so, please do provide a link to the article.
    You guys act like you haven’t seen Stuckey have good stretches of games, where he has played his ass off.
    I think with better talent on the floor and less confusion about who the main three guards (Stuckey, B. Knight, and KCP) are, everybody’s game will be raised and yes, Stuckey’s, too.

    • Jul 6, 20138:14 pm
      by Brandon Knight

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      Starting Stuckey is a bad option. Other than he can’t shoot, he will not be able to drive cuz all the lanes are going to be closed by Smith Drummond and Monroe. Driving is his best feature and if he cant drive he is useless.

    • Jul 6, 20138:50 pm
      by Gordbrown

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      Fellow Stuckey slappy!!!!! I thought I was the last one left. It was always the case when he was the starting point that Stuckey was double teamed on every single play (usually the opposing four was invariably camped between Stuckey and the hoop). I hope he gets another shot at the point because he doesn’t turn the ball over and he has never really had targets to pass the ball. Assumes he has matured, can stay healthy and develops a relationship with Cheeks. None of these are entirely big stretches.

    • Jul 6, 20139:10 pm
      by Max

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      I’m with you Sebastian.  Knight has never done anything like beating Stuckey for the position and Stuckey takes care of the ball.  

      • Jul 6, 20139:44 pm
        by G

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        Neither can pass very well though.

        • Jul 6, 201310:03 pm
          by Max

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          I agree, G.   I’d rather have a player who doesn’t pass well that takes care of the ball though.    Stuckey can bring the ball up and make the simple pass.   I never know what Knight is going to do and he sometimes throws the ball to a player who is several feet away.   And his handle needs serious work.  

        • Jul 6, 201310:32 pm
          by Gordbrown

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          Stuckey has shown ability to pass in the past. His biggest problem was he had no one to pass to and other teams knew it. That’s why he was always (repeat) always double teamed. There will need to be some creativity and discipline to make it work, but that will be the case no matter who is on the floor.

  • Jul 6, 20138:06 pm
    by Domnick

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    Get teague or jennings? Who do you choose? We can also trade our expiring contracts cv and stuckey… Since they have been dangled around they must be dealt or else they will become a distraction this season

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