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Pistons meeting with Tyreke Evans

Sam Amick of USA Today:

Restricted free agent Tyreke Evans (Kings) expected to meet with the Detroit Pistons & Kings today in Los Angeles. Already met with Pelicans

Combo guards!

Evans was incredible as a rookie, joining LeBron James, Michael Jordan and Oscar Robertson as the only first-year players to post 20 points, five rebounds and five assists per game. But Evans lost his way in the next couple years, producing less as the Kings shifted him from point guard to the wing. You can play the chicken-or-the-egg game with those two events, but Evans is fairly enigmatic.

He rebounded with a solid 2012-13, showing some of his rookie-year strengths from his new wing position, and here we are with Evans a restricted free agent.

Perhaps, the Kings’ math changes now that they drafted Ben McLemore, but the type of offer necessary to prevent the Kings from matching should probably make Evans undesirable to the Pistons.

127 Comments

  • Jul 1, 20134:12 pm
    by Max

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    Evans couldn’t be a worse fit.   Can’t think of a worse player to sign.  

    • Jul 1, 20134:26 pm
      by G

      Reply

      Rodney Stuckey. Oh wait… we already have him.

      • Jul 1, 20134:38 pm
        by KaBa

        Reply

        Just what I was thinking. 

      • Jul 1, 20137:48 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        sure and they have soo much in common… Oh Wait they Dont

        • Jul 2, 20138:42 am
          by G

          Reply

          Other than being combo guards that don’t shoot the 3 well and don’t defend well? The only comparison I was making (initially) is that they’re both terrible fits, but Stuckey is a worse fit. Evans is basically a more talented version of Stuckey. He’d be an upgrade, but not one I’d be happy about.

    • Jul 1, 20134:33 pm
      by Jon

      Reply

      josh smith is a worse fit

    • Jul 1, 20135:07 pm
      by Einstein

      Reply

      J.J. Redick, Brandon Jennings, Monta Ellis

      • Jul 1, 20136:25 pm
        by Max

        Reply

        I’d take any of the those three over Evans.

        • Jul 1, 20136:55 pm
          by Jon

          Reply

          thank god you’re not the GM

          • Jul 1, 20138:31 pm
            by Max

            I know I’m happy you are not the GM.   At least those guys can shoot.  

          • Jul 1, 201310:59 pm
            by tarsier

            Jennings can shoot if you mean throw the ball in the air, but it will hardly ever go through the rim.

          • Jul 2, 201312:18 am
            by Jon

            only reddick of those 3 can shoot and he only has one possible position which was just covered in the draft

  • Jul 1, 20134:24 pm
    by Jack56

    Reply

    Pretty much all I see on this site are people saying what not to do in their comments. Don’t get this guy…he is awful! So who do you fans want the Pistons to get? 

      

    • Jul 1, 20134:27 pm
      by G

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      Been saying Jeff Teague for months now, and a deep threat like Martell Webster wouldn’t be bad either.

      • Jul 1, 20134:36 pm
        by Jack56

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        Yes, you have said Teague, but he alone won’t help the Stones…so who else are you hoping we get?

      • Jul 1, 20134:36 pm
        by Jack56

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        Who else?

        • Jul 1, 20135:01 pm
          by G

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          Teague, Webster or Dorell Wright, bench help. Get a guy like Jack or Collison to run backup PG, Speights to be backup C… Maybe get a guy like Kevin Martin to come off the bench for offense with the first unit.

      • Jul 1, 20134:42 pm
        by KaBa

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        Jeff Teague could really work. Atlanta is not happy with him, and there has been talks (german sites mainly) that they could even give big minutes to Schröder. So getting Teague would probably be easier during the season? What do you think?

        • Jul 1, 20135:01 pm
          by KaBa

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          Shame on me, didn’t even know that Teague was RFA.

        • Jul 1, 20135:02 pm
          by G

          Reply

          He’s RFA & Atlanta signed his sheet, but I think something like $7M-$8M/yr might scare them off

          • Jul 1, 20136:46 pm
            by Filo Putz

            Someone take the pipe away from this guy.. Your Idea is to scare Atlanta with an 8M offer  for Teague then sign 2 backup quality players.. Oh great. I’m sure if you mention this to Dumars he’ll throw the plan out the window that he’s been hatching for the last year..

          • Jul 1, 20137:32 pm
            by KaBa

            So, how much is Teague worth to you? Would you go after him?

          • Jul 1, 20139:34 pm
            by Filo Putz

            doesn’t matter what you offer him. Atlanta will match unless it’s really off the wall. Much more than 32M over four years. He is the only point guard with NBA experience besides Shelvin Mack, on their roster .

          • Jul 1, 20139:38 pm
            by Ryan

            Good point, Filo. Let’s all talk about the Pelicans’ future and let Joe do his thing.

          • Jul 1, 201311:02 pm
            by tarsier

            Might as well at least offer Teague something. If he accepts and the Hawks match, there’s nothing lost. If nobody makes him an offer, odds are the Hawks retain him at a bargain. No reason to let that happen.

          • Jul 1, 201311:28 pm
            by jacob

            Really, you don’t want josh smith because he shoots a low percentage. Instead you want a Pg that shoot the ball almost as bad. WOW.

          • Jul 2, 201312:06 am
            by Filo Putz

            You’ve been reading too many of that narcissists posts. If the Pistons did target a point as their top priority then it’s worth it to go get into a financial war with Atlanta. That not being the case why bid for another team’s player just to screw with them?

          • Jul 2, 20131:37 am
            by tarsier

            Smoove shoots 28% from downtown. Teague 35%. How is that even vaguely comparable?

          • Jul 2, 20138:47 am
            by G

            Atlanta wants to sign Dwight Howard. Think they’re going to do that if they have to match an $8M offer for Teague? I don’t. I see Filo slamming my ideas left & right, but I’ve yet to see him promote a single original idea. Go ahead. Shock and awe me.

      • Jul 1, 20135:46 pm
        by frankie d

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        of all the guys joe has met with so far, only wright makes sense.

        no mention of teague or any other PG.  sure, there is word that they want to sign calderone, but i will believe that when i see him sign back with detroit.  i think they are simply tossing that out to placate fans, and everything points to them going back to the knight as pg experiment. 
        if they don’t get calderone back, what is their pg plan b? except for knight?
        and the way to force atlanta’s hand on teague is to come in early and hard, make him an offer he can’t refuse, with terms atlanta can’t match if they want to entertain thoughts of keeping smith and force them to make a decision asap.  
        will give dumars the benefit of the doubt on this issue, but so far it is not looking good.  like a replay of the coaching search. 

    • Jul 1, 20134:38 pm
      by Ryan

      Reply

      Troll time

    • Jul 1, 20134:50 pm
      by Max

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      I want Iggy or Smith.  DE-FENCE!   Either would instantly become arguably the best player on the team.   Tyreke is Stuckey 2.0  

      • Jul 1, 20134:58 pm
        by Jon

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        except he showed a higher level of play his rookie year than stuckey ever has

        • Jul 1, 20135:07 pm
          by Max

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          Stuckey has showed just as high a level of play if not better.    Just not for a whole season.   One of the last months of the 11/12 season, Stuckey averaged over 25 points and the Pistons played well.  During that stretch, the Pistons even beat the Lakers with Stuckey convincingly outdueling Kobe Bryant down the stretch of the game.   

          • Jul 1, 20135:20 pm
            by Jon

            brandon jennings scored 50 as a rookie. what’s your point? anyone can have a big game or month. sustained success is hard to come by. so far 2 of evans’ 4 seasons have been very good seasons. three of those seasons he has played with one of the worst teammates in the league. i’ll take evans’ 2 years over stuckey’s 3 months in 5 or 6 years any day

          • Jul 1, 20135:49 pm
            by Max

            I wouldn’t argue that Stuckey is as good as Evans but rather that they are similar players due to their skill set and also that drafting KCP means Evans doesn’t fit with the Pistons.   

            Also, there are just as many excuses to be made regarding Stuckey’s situation and teammates as there is for Evans.   

  • Jul 1, 20134:40 pm
    by Mike

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    how if the world will wasting money on teague and martell webster make us better. we need to spend money on evans and or josh smith and shoot for what could be instead going the safe route to stay in nba purgatory for the next 5 years 

    • Jul 2, 20138:54 am
      by G

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      Teague is an upgrade at PG. He’s not quite the play maker or shooter that Calderon is, but he’s much younger and a much better defender. Webster is a significant upgrade over Singler. With a Teague, Knight/KCP, Webster, Monroe, and Drummond starting 5, and Stuckey, Knight/KCP, Singler, Middleton, Jerebko, Mitchell, free agent X (Wright, Speights or someone) coming off the bench… That team looks better to me than Milwaukee & could make the playoffs.

      The main point, which the more impatient seem to ignore, is that next year is a better year for free agency & this would sort of ramp the team up to spend next summer. The fact is Detroit would have to seriously overspend to get a FA in the top 2 tiers this year, but if they make the playoffs next year, they look like a sweeter landing spot.

      • Jul 2, 20133:34 pm
        by Filo Putz

        Reply

        The Pistons have no choice but go all in.. The Pistons need a serious upgrade in talent at the 2, the 3, and a rotational 4-5 to be competitive. . I like Martell Webster. Don’t like Brandon Wright or Speights as meaningful upgrades.. if you signed those guys along with calderon your entering the new season with essentially no higher expectations than this past.The patience for building through the draft went out the window when they screwed themselves dropping from 5 to eight in the draft. This along with the Gordon trade resulting in not having a pick in 2014 or 15. My hope from this Draft was Zeller who could have been counted to step in and help up front. I thought he might drop to 8 until he tested off the chart at the combine. Then I thought they should go after the JR to step in as the starting 2 and Iguodala at the 3. But because finding an upgrade for Maxiell is going to be difficult it forces them to go in a different direction. Which is why I’m so high on the possibility of Josh Smith. If you’ve seen him he is a unique talent. although a different body type and skill set he brings to your team someone who contributes like Lamar Odom (without the emotional issues) when he was still relevant ( I don’t want to get hammered he doesn’t look like a clone, just talking about how he would contribute). He does so many different things to contribute throughout the course of a game offensively and defensively.Like Odom it doesn’t matter what position he is slotted he does  things his team needs whether it’s scoring, rebounding, or defensively and he is an underrated passer. Smith isn’t a superstar. He’s a versatile cog. Someone who does what is need to win. He’s always said he views himself as small forward and has moved back and forth between the 3 and the 4 in his career. Why he dislikes so much being slotted as a 4 is probably related to not liking being pigeon holed as someone with a limited capability to just low post score and defend. He brings much more than that to his teams dynamic. Of course they also need to sign a pg. because Knight has not proven that he can be a plus contributor.  As far as next year they really are limited in ability to add more plus talent. Villanova and Stuckey come off the books but they are going to need that Cap relief to go all in to resign Monroe.

  • Jul 1, 20134:42 pm
    by Some Dude

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    Evens put up big time numbers playing PG as a rookie. His numbers went down because Sacto didn’t use him properly. If the Pistons get him, he should be put back at the PG position. If he starts with KCP, the guards would both be 6’6. That sounds like a fit to me, why not?

    • Jul 2, 20138:56 am
      by G

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      Evans isn’t a PG. If he’s playing with KCP, Pope would have to slide down to the SF and I don’t think he’s ready for that yet.

  • Jul 1, 20134:48 pm
    by Jon

    Reply

    Really hope they sign him. the last time he didn’t play with the cancer known as demarcus cousins was also the last time he was viewed as a future superstar. he is still so young he might still be able to play point or at least play there part time.  he is definitely not a prototypical pg but there have been plenty of teams to have success without a true point guard and he has shown an ability to get to the rim at will and dish off the drive fairly well. he’d be a great upside sign

    • Jul 1, 20134:52 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      Long before Cousins was on the Kings, there were already reports that said Evans teammates all hated playing with him.   

      • Jul 1, 20134:56 pm
        by Jon

        Reply

        its probably bc he was a rookie and already better than all the veterans. i really don’t care what a dysfunctional sacramento team thought about him when he was putting up 20 6 and 5 boards as a rookie

        • Jul 2, 20138:57 am
          by G

          Reply

          Evans was viewed as the main contributor to the disfunction. You should care about it.

  • Jul 1, 20134:55 pm
    by rick77

    Reply

    Let the Gm and owner do their damn jobs before we all crazy about intentions. The way I see it Joe D’s best chance at competing in the East is to have a great bench as well as decent starters. If he got Evans who says between him and Stuckey that one cant be the man coming off the bench? Why is everyone on this blog a pessimist? If he loaded his bench and added a point guard then the sky is the limit in terms of the potential. Let this shit play itself out before we begin condemning. 

    • Jul 1, 20135:06 pm
      by Ryan

      Reply

      You guys – what if we get Smith, Iggy, Martin, Evans, Wright AND Lin? That lineup would be sick! Just sit back and let Joe work his magic!
       

      • Jul 1, 20135:31 pm
        by Ozzie-Moto

        Reply

         ”work his magic ” ?     Where have you been the last 5 year ..   only thing he has not screwed up was selecting a few draft picks that fell to him….. 

        • Jul 1, 20136:06 pm
          by Ryan

          Reply

          Maybe that suggestion’s about as ridiculous as the post above it…

    • Jul 1, 20135:15 pm
      by G

      Reply

      <Sure, that worked out great with the coaching hire>

  • Jul 1, 20135:04 pm
    by Einstein

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    Hey guys Einstein here – apparently you don’t know Tyreke Evans is talented, so I guess I have to tell you. He won’t command max money and he’s an athletic guard who needs to redeem himself after having his position changed. Also, Sacramento has not been a great team or franchise to play for lately, in case any of you don’t follow basketball. I’d gamble on him, absolutely. Who cares where he plays – he CAN play….and that’s all that matters.

    • Jul 1, 20135:16 pm
      by mike

      Reply

      Agreed. Evans has superstar potential. I mean big time superstar. If he ever develops a consistent jumpshoot, which he already improved immensly at last year, he could be at Wade/LeBron type territory. 

      Given he’s only 23 there is a great chance he could still reach that potential. Word is NO offered him somewhere from 44-48 mil for 4 yrs. So it will be expensive to sign him if we do, but still might be cheaper than what Smith or Iguodala costs.

      I like Smith or Iguodala, but I had Evans as my #1 target before FA began. He can play all 3 perimeter positions, and when Joe said he;s looking to upgrade all 3 positions, its no surprise that hes looking at Evans. It would be a wise move.

      One thing that could get him to sign here over NO is their already muddled perimeter. They have Eric Gordon, Vasquez, and Holiday already. Evans may not want to go there with all that competition for PT. Whereas here all we really have is Knight who may end up coming off the bench, so we can offer him his pick of any of the 3 perimeter positions he wants.

      • Jul 1, 20135:27 pm
        by Jon

        Reply

        agreed. he’d be an upgrade at any position 1 through 3 although i would rather see him at the point with knight coming off the bench since he showed so much potential there as a rookie.  

        we could offer a ridiculously front-loaded deal to try and get him here. we’ve got the cap space to do it. something like 15M year one then 10M for the next three. that’d wouldn’t be too crazy for someone who can be as good as him 

        • Jul 2, 20138:59 am
          by G

          Reply

          He doesn’t want to play SF and he’s a poor PG. Evans is a SG with poor 3PT shooting. Signing him would fly in the face of every justification Dumars gave for drafting Pope.

    • Jul 1, 201310:11 pm
      by Filo Putz

      Reply

      He is very talented. He had a rookie year that really opened a lot of eyes.. The problem is they took him off the point because they felt he wasn’t giving them enough production for the amount he dominated the ball. Basically the problem comes down to his shooting. If had worked with the right shooting coach and fixed that broke shot of his, he would be hotly pursued by every team in the league.

  • Jul 1, 20135:22 pm
    by Butterscotch

    Reply

    Word on the street is that the Pelican offered Tyreke 4 yrs 48 million.  That’s just cray!!!! That price is way too high. I hope Joe D thinks so too.

  • Jul 1, 20135:24 pm
    by Joey

    Reply

    No

  • Jul 1, 20135:52 pm
    by ffz

    Reply

    yeah detroits probably not going to offer for him if they dont want to take a gamble http://www.nba.com/2013/news/07/01/pelicans-offer-tyreke-evans-44-million/index.html

    • Jul 1, 20136:13 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      yup, that’s too much. move along dumars.

    • Jul 1, 20136:54 pm
      by Filo Putz

      Reply

      The Pelicans hope to do a sign and trade with Sac for Evans sending back Eric Gordon.

      • Jul 1, 20138:22 pm
        by Jon

        Reply

        if sacramento does that trade, it proves their new management is just as bad as the last. hopefully they don’t accept resulting in NO not having enough money to offer him that contract

  • Jul 1, 20136:24 pm
    by frankie d

    Reply

    if the 44 or 48 million is correct, i’d wish him luck and hope he works out for NO.
    much, much too much money for a guy with his game and background.
    but, this is what happens in free agency.
    almost every deal will be a deal that overpays.  the only guys who end up not getting too much money are the mid-range guys like wright, who will probably be priced just about right.
    and here in portland, the blazers just picked up thomas robinson for a bunch of second round choices.
    i would have done that deal any day.  i think he was just a victim of circumstances.  both in sactown and in houston, where he was a victim of a numbers game and then houston trying to land howard.
    great deal for the blazers and imho lots of teams will end up kicking themselves for not jumping at the shot to get him for cheap. 

    • Jul 1, 20136:29 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      If you think all standout players are overpayed, maybe you aren’t appropriately judging what an appropriate contract is. 

      • Jul 1, 20137:02 pm
        by rick77

        Reply

        Right…People always judging a guy based off the money and not realizing they do in fact get paid, millions..

  • Jul 1, 20137:27 pm
    by mshansky

    Reply

    I have a question which maybe someone out there knows the answer to. If the team has to spend 90% of the allotted salary cap (if that is true), then if the pistons cant attract any “name” free agent (they go to other teams), does that mean the team MUST spend that money somehow, so thy will end up paying way too much for mediocre talent? 
    In other words, even if they dont want to get in the bidding for free agents, they still have to spend that money?
    I am kind of perplexed by the idea that they are forced to offer large contracts just to spend a certain  amount…..

    • Jul 1, 20138:09 pm
      by ffz

      Reply

      thats why the pistons said they’ll be active in the trade market too if they miss out on who they are trying to target

    • Jul 1, 20139:40 pm
      by Dan Feldman

      Reply

      In other words, even if they dont want to get in the bidding for free agents, they still have to spend that money?

      Yes.

      I am kind of perplexed by the idea that they are forced to offer large contracts just to spend a certain  amount…..

      It makes as much sense as the idea that they are forced not to exceed a certain amount of spending (the salary cap). 

      The one thing to keep in mind is, if the Pistons are having trouble reaching the salary floor, they can offer one-year contracts and maintain flexibility. They are forced to spend 90 percent of the 2013-14 cap, but they aren’t required to make any obligations further into the future than that.

  • Jul 1, 20138:10 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    LOL!

    So now Stuckey and Tyreke are the same?

    Let’s start that size .. Tyreke is 6’5.5 (in shoes) 220 with. 6’11 wingspan vs Stuckey 6’4.5 210 w/ 6’7 wingspans (Not the same)

    Age tyreke will be 24 at the end of next season Vs Stuckey 28 (Not the same) 

    In 4 years Tyreke has shot over 45%  3 times  vs stuckey in 6 season never higher than 43.9 (only twice)
    (NOT THE SAME)

    Tyreke highest 3 point shooting year last season was 34% Vs Stuckey best year two season ago was 32% (close but Tyreke is still better)

    Rebounds In 4 years Tyreke averaged nearly 5 rebounds per game vs Stuckey even if you picked his top 4 rebounding years …he barely averages 3 (Not the same)

    Tyreke also averages more steals and Blocks ….(Not The Same)

    The only thing stuckey clearly doesn’t better than Tyreke is ft% ….

    So How In the Hell are they the same player?  

    This board is becoming ridiculos  

    • Jul 1, 20138:18 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      Tyreke also plays better off the ball than Stuckey …

    • Jul 1, 20138:21 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      Stuckey is 6’5.   Don’t know who told he was 6’4.  

      Neither can shoot but both can slash and get to the line.   Neither is a great defensively.  Both rely on their size to bully other guards.   Both players can get assists by breaking their own man down but neither player has shown much ability to run set plays and consistently keep others involved.   Stuckey is decent at all of the aspects of the game that Evans is good.  Stuckey is much better at taking care of the ball though.  Evans is better than Stuckey but Stuckey is already on the team and isn’t a great fit to be on the team.   Evans is a marginal upgrade over Stuckey but he doesn’t fit any better and he doesn’t push the needle.  

      • Jul 1, 20138:28 pm
        by Jon

        Reply

        http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rodney-Stuckey-1015/  
        this is where the height came from.

        they play similar styles but tyreke does everything better.  also as mentioned above, he plays off the ball much more effectively than stuckey, who is useless without the ball in his hands
         

        • Jul 1, 20138:34 pm
          by I HATE FRANK

          Reply

          @ jon..
          Exactly, we wish Stuckey produced like Tyeke, if he did he would have been worth that contact

        • Jul 1, 20138:36 pm
          by Max

          Reply

          The problem is that if the Pistons signed Evans they just wasted their draft pick of KCP.

          I notice you used draft express to get Stuckey’s height.  Maybe he has grown but I’ve always seen him listed as 6’5.  In any event here are links that all list him as such. 

          http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stuckro01.html

          http://www.nba.com/playerfile/rodney_stuckey/index.html?nav=page

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Stuckey 

        • Jul 1, 20139:08 pm
          by Matt

          Reply

          Tyreke is also trying to get better. He is finally working on his jumper. If we can snag him now and figures out his jump shot he could be a good fit. Plus at 24 hes got time to work on it.

          • Jul 1, 20139:47 pm
            by Jon

            exactly. if i didn’t think he was still getting better i wouldn’t even want him but he’s still got so much time to improve and after improvement last year it seems he realized he can’t be successful without putting some work in

  • Jul 1, 20138:32 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rodney-Stuckey-1015/
    my bad 6’4.5
    how the hell is he marginally better when he better in every category?
    He is much, much better player and he is younger… coming off a season where he shot nearly 48% from the field, it speaks to his potential.
    Stuckey is in his prime…
    its like saying Durant is slightly better than Melo because they both averaged 28ppg…but when you look at the numbers Durant did everything else clearly better than Melo…
     

    • Jul 1, 20138:51 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      Forget Durant.  Any team in any situation would be over the moon for Durant.  

      This is more like if you had Tyrone Hill, in his prime when he went to the all star game, but he didn’t fit very well with what the team was trying to do.   The off season commences.   You draft a power forward in the lottery that is of a totally different style than Hill.   Free agency begins.  Would you break the bank for Charles Oakley in that situation?  Or would you realize that if Hill wasn’t fitting, that Oakley wouldn’t fit either and that he would get in the way of the lottery pick?   Hill and Oakley were similar style players but Oakley was better at every aspect of the game.     

      • Jul 1, 20139:13 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        I dont like the example…nor the Point…
         
        because Stuckey decline has been horrible…nothing close to a all-star level…
         

        • Jul 2, 201312:01 am
          by Max

          Reply

          That only speaks to you not liking the example.   Why don’t you like the point?

          It was difficult for me to come up with two players who had extremely similar games where one player was simply better at everything which is why I had to go back to the early 90s for retired players, Hill and Oakley.       

          Oakley and Hill both made the all star team but I never considered either an all star.  Neither Evans or Stuckey have ever sniffed an all star game.  That wasn’t the point at all but rather that it was possible for two players to have similar skill sets where one was better than the other at everything and that it was possible to create a scenario where you wouldn’t want to sign the better player in free agency when you already had the lesser player under contract and he wasn’t fitting in.  

          BTW:  Stuckey hasn’t necessarily declined.   The team went in another direction the last two years after the drafting of Knight.   Unlike Evans, Stuckey spent years mostly at one position until a team decided to draft a point guard and play him at another position.   

          Now Evans is an extremely selfish player–one of the reasons his teammates have universally hated playing with him throughout his career and why coaches have essentially quit and gotten fired over him.  

          Stuckey on the other hand is not a selfish player.   The year before, Stuckey accepted that the Pistons were going to try and develop Knight and he didn’t dominate the ball nearly as much.   Last year, he actually suggested becoming the 6th man because he thought he could help the team off the bench since he wasn’t being used very much in the starting lineup and was being put in a bad position as a spot up shooter.   His thinking is actually right on.    He understood he wasn’t fitting into the team that well and tried to adjust without making himself or his ego the priority.   That’s a teammate.  

          Evans on the other hand continued to dominate the ball no matter what position the Kings put him at and no matter how it effected the rest of the team.    

          No thanks.   

      • Jul 1, 20139:56 pm
        by Jon

        Reply

        i haven’t been around long enough to know anything about that situation so i can’t comment on it but i don’t think getting evans would necessarily be getting in the way of KCP. i would rather play him at the point since he has shown in the past that he can dish the ball decently well even if its not an elite level. a high assist player is not a requirement for good team play. also you seem to be ignoring the fact that evans plays far better off the ball than stuckey. last season was his best since his rookie campaign and he played almost exclusively off the ball at the 2 or 3. 

        • Jul 2, 20139:07 am
          by G

          Reply

          Going back to something I said earlier, Evans is a poor PG and doesn’t want to play SF, so he’d be taking the SG spot. As was said earlier, Evans isn’t a PG that excels at running set plays, which would seriously limit Monroe & especially Drummond in the offense. KCP was drafted to bring size, defense, and especially 3PT shooting on the perimeter. If Dumars signs Tyreke, why did he draft KCP over Burke?

  • Jul 1, 20138:37 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    all I know this is turning into a place for complainers and whiners…
     
    Josh Smith is Overrated
    Iguodala is too old
    Tyreke is a stuckey clone
    whine, whine, whine….
    They are UPGRADES  over STUCKEY and SINGLER!!!!!
    we are not trying to replace Grant Hill

    • Jul 1, 20138:44 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      Everyone is whining and complaining on different issues though.   I desperately want the Pistons to sign Iggy or Smith.   Evans, I feel is redundant and makes the Pistons draft pick this year a million times worse.   

      • Jul 1, 20138:50 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        I like Iggy for his Leadership
        I like Josh Smith because he has takeover game ability
        I like Tyreke because he fits the youth movement
         
        either way we are going spend 11-12 mil per year…but a huge upgrade of talent
         

    • Jul 1, 20139:01 pm
      by Jon

      Reply

      i think most of the complaining is bc it seems detroit is really trying to force themselves into the playoffs with players that will get them there but not much farther. most of the complaining is bc they would prefer to contend instead of tread water in the 6 seed. josh smith or iggy or jr smith would probably put detroit over the 8 seed but i can’t see it getting past the first round. tyreke on the other hand is still young and would be able to grow with the young players we already have. the only reason i give him such a strong vote of confidence is that im hoping he hasn’t peaked yet since he’s so young and he’s been with a crappy team. if this was his peak then i wouldn’t advocate for him either 

  • Jul 1, 20138:52 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    btw: they are saying the pistons did a verbal agreement, 4 years 50 mil Josh Smith

    • Jul 1, 20138:53 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      I hope you are not teasing because I haven’t been this happy since the night Drummond was drafted!

    • Jul 1, 20139:03 pm
      by Jon

      Reply

      i hope not

    • Jul 1, 20139:10 pm
      by jacob

      Reply

      tyreke got offered between 40 &48 mil for 4 years by the pelicans.

    • Jul 1, 20139:14 pm
      by Matt

      Reply

      That would be amazing I hope it’s true. Anyone do the math? Do we still have enough for Iggy or Teague? Sorry dreaming.

    • Jul 1, 20139:16 pm
      by Dan Feldman

      Reply

      Link?

    • Jul 2, 20139:13 am
      by G

      Reply

      I don’t like Smith as a fit for this team, but at that price I’d couldn’t say no.

      I don’t know man. I’d read something about $12M/yr earlier & didn’t really believe it at the time.  If it’s true, I don’t know how Dumars pulled it off. Smith was reportedly looking for a max deal. I’d be surprised if he took that much less without testing the market more.

  • Jul 1, 20139:01 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    i dont know if its true
     

  • Jul 1, 20139:09 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    Josh Smith is one of the most talented all around players in the league…

    • Jul 1, 20139:20 pm
      by Matt

      Reply

      Mixed with Sheeds attitude. As long as it translates into passion and wins I am all for it. I agree though hes a great player.

      ESPN “The Pistons are set to offer Josh Smith a substantial 4 year contract.”

  • Jul 1, 20139:20 pm
    by CCnation

    Reply

    Don’t Smith, Evans, or any other over-priced FA.

    Pistons need to do one thing this season:  Acquire Eric Bledsoe.

    Trade Stuckey.  Trade Knight.  Trade a 1st round pick.
    He’s a difference maker. 

  • Jul 1, 20139:26 pm
    by CCnation

    Reply

    Trade Stuckey + 2nd round pick to Clippers for Bledsoe and Caron Butler.

    No way Pistons should overspend for Smith, Evans, or Andre I.

    Build the team the right way.  Remember the Alamo! (Gordon contract!) 

    • Jul 1, 201310:04 pm
      by Ryan

      Reply

      Haha! People – the Clips have been offered Afflalo, DeRozan, Mayo, and Redick. You really think Stuckey’s gonna get this deal done?

      • Jul 1, 201310:44 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        eric Bledsoe is unproven and people are ready to throw everything at him for Potential

        • Jul 1, 201310:56 pm
          by Ryan

          Reply

          He has tremendous upside potential………

          • Jul 2, 20134:02 am
            by I HATE FRANK

             Its not all that tremendous…
             
            He struggled pretty bad as a starter, Defensively Yes …he is a very good player…but offensively not soo much …
             
            People will get hyped up about him, but in reallity offensively he not nut better than BK … I’ll use the Tyreke Evans and Stuckey arguement … they are the same type of player …..

            Edge goes to Bledsoe on defensive but Offensively I give the edge to Knight for his shooting … Also Knight is 2 years younger…

          • Jul 2, 20139:54 am
            by G

            If the deal is Stuckey & a 2nd rounder, that would be an AMAZING hijacking that totally would never happen.

            I like the idea of moving a guy like Singler (assuming Detroit signs a solid SF) & Stuckey for Bledsoe. That way they get rid of Stuckey, LAC gets a bench wing that can shoot 3′s and defend a little, and Bledsoe & Knight can combo it up to run the 2nd offense.

  • Jul 1, 201310:26 pm
    by Filo Putz

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    I’m not an expert on the CAP.  Dan or anyone who knows, could you enlighten us on the flexibility the Pistons have. My reading of it is that they are about 23m under and they could  exceed the  60 million CAP, with no luxury tax penalty, by resigning Calderon as a Larry Bird exception?

    • Jul 1, 201311:37 pm
      by jacob

      Reply

      He has a cap hold of 16 million and we are not already over the cap. I think this only works if your team is over the cap already and wants to resign its own player. So in other words we cant go sign Iggy and Smith to put us at the cap and then resign calderon. We would have to renounce him just to sign other players because of the cap hold. Get it. It keeps teams from doing what I just explained. 

      • Jul 2, 201312:40 am
        by Filo Putz

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        I’m sorry I don’t get it. If the amount the Pistons are under the cap is 20m, as has been thrown around, then what happens if they sign Smith for 18m of it. Then they can’t go over to resign calderon? Aren’t there exceptions available that allows for going over?? One time exception? mid-level exception? larry bird rights?

        • Jul 2, 20131:01 am
          by jacob

          Reply

          Right now there is a 16 mil dollar hold on the cap. Technically we only have lime 12 mil right now. A cap hold stops a team from going out and signing other players than coming back later and signing their own.

        • Jul 2, 20139:21 am
          by G

          Reply

          The Pistons don’t have Larry Bird rights to Calderon because he hasn’t played here for at least 3 years. They’ve already said they’re not spending max money on Smith, so you can throw that $18M idea out. Since Calderon isn’t an RFA and has no Bird rights, there isn’t any provision I know of that would enable Detroit to go over the cap to sign him without penalty.

          • Jul 2, 201312:07 pm
            by Dan Feldman

            Pistons have Calderon’s bird rights. They came over with him in the trade.

          • Jul 2, 201312:19 pm
            by tarsier

            False. Larry Bird rights are only lost if he is waived or signed as a FA within the past three years. They go along with a player in trade. Otherwise the Lakers would never have planned on being able to re-sign Howard.

          • Jul 2, 201312:39 pm
            by G

            Didn’t realize that. So what part of his potential new salary wouldn’t count against the cap?

          • Jul 2, 20132:01 pm
            by tarsier

            His whole salary would count against the cap. It’s just that the Pistons can go over the cap to sign him.

          • Jul 2, 20132:31 pm
            by G

            By how much, I mean. Say they’re right up to the edge of the cap… Can they go $10M over to sign Calderon because his Bird rights transferred?

          • Jul 2, 20132:48 pm
            by G

            Andale. Por eso digo que lo renunciamos o lo contratamos, pero de volada.

  • Jul 2, 20131:05 am
    by jacob

    Reply

    We can still sign both. Once we sign Calderon for lets say 7 mil it will give us the room to sign Smith for like 16 I think. If we renounce Calderon and amnesty Charlie v we would have like 29 mil in cap space. Google cap holds.

    • Jul 2, 20131:35 am
      by Filo Putz

      Reply

       A little clearer. So if they renounce calderon and don’t amnesty Chalie V how much can they spend  before reaching the CAP limit? And aren’t there other Exceptions available to them once they hit the limit, where they can go over without paying the luxury tax?? Midlevel? One-time?

      • Jul 2, 20139:28 am
        by G

        Reply

        Found an exception that I didn’t see before – the non-qualifying FA exception. They would have to sign Calderon to 120% of his previous year’s salary though, if I read that right. They could structure it to go down steeply though, say 3 years for $12M/$6M/$4M.

        • Jul 2, 201312:20 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          same article, a couple lines up:

          “when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him” 

        • Jul 2, 201312:41 pm
          by G

          Reply

          Gotcha. I was skimming, missed that part.

  • Jul 2, 20131:46 am
    by jacob

    Reply

    Yes the are other cap exceptions, or whatever you call them. All a cap hold does is stop you from signing new player then using bird rights on your own players. I do believe it is Dumars plan to sign Calderon and either Iggy or Smith. So there are always ways around the cap. Just look at what the Lions did this year with very little cap room. I’m not sure that we wouldn’t play penalties if we go over that cap no matter how you do it. I think if you’re over the cap then you are over it and penalties will ensue. There are just certain ways you can go over the cap like bird rights, mle, veteran minimum, extending your own players, things like that. I don’t think there ways around paying the luxury tax just ways around the cap limit. I do believe that even without the amnesty of Charlie V that we can still afford both Calderon and Smith. Also I do believe that Smith will be offered a 4 year deal by the Pistons. No clue on the dollar amount. I just hope its around 15 mil a year.

  • Jul 2, 20131:49 am
    by jacob

    Reply

    Right now with Charlie V we owe out 34,410.

    • Jul 2, 20131:50 am
      by jacob

      Reply

      that’s 34 mil

      • Jul 2, 20131:53 am
        by jacob

        Reply

        That doesn’t inclue kcp Mitchell or siva so figure we owe like 38 out with rookies maybe 39. Amnesty cv and youre looking at almost 30 mil in cap space.

        • Jul 2, 20131:59 am
          by jacob

          Reply

          English has 788,872 in non guaranteed money. So still if we don’t keep him its only going to be about 30. So 7 mil calderon 15 mil smith that would leave us with about 8mil or Charlie V. That would be sweet either way. Remember next year we can still get rid of Kratsov Middleton Stuckey and Charlie V will be gone by then no matter what. Jerebko has a player option next year for 4.5 mil. We have a ton of money. we could spend all 30 this year and still have stuckey come off next year and extend Monroe with that money.

          • Jul 2, 20132:01 am
            by jacob

            We have to get that number to 54 mil to be at 90 %

  • Jul 2, 20132:01 am
    by Filo Putz

    Reply

    My understanding is that they have 23 million before hitting the cap. Although I might be reading the current salaries that they’re responsible for in 2013-14 incorrectly because the number being thrown around in the media is 20 million.. I’m in agreement with you about Calderon and Iguodala or Smith. Boy I hate Free Agency. The risk is so great. You’re paying a higher salary for someone based on their  previous performance. But there is a real possibility that those were their best years and the wear and tear they’ve gone through will start to show up  after you’re tied to them.  At least under the new CBA the maximum contract length is a year less

    • Jul 2, 20132:03 am
      by jacob

      Reply

      Ya it’s hard to tell exactly, we haven’t signed our rookies yet.

  • Jul 2, 20132:20 am
    by Filo Putz

    Reply

    Monroe is the guy that they need to focus on. He’ll be heading in to his prime on his next contract and only 24..

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