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Pistons have about $8 million of cap room

After signing Josh Smith for $56 million or $54 million, the Pistons still have about $8 million in cap room, as reflected on the updated salaries page.

That figure assumes the Pistons will renounce all their free agents, max-raise estimates for Smith’s contract structure and a $58.5 million salary cap – none of which has been confirmed.

So, roughly, the Pistons have about $8 million and the room mid-level exception, which has a starting salary of $2,652,000, to use on free agents. The cap room and the exception cannot be combined.

73 Comments

  • Jul 6, 20136:52 pm
    by angry little man

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    I think Josh Smith is a true power forward, do we trade G monroe now ? and sign a outside shooter to take pressure off of Smith and Drummond ? This should on paper at least be a very formidable front line.

  • Jul 6, 20136:56 pm
    by angry little man

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    Josh Smith is better player then Greg Monroe on the defensive end. Smith may not be the toughest 4 in the league but he is a more balanced player then Monroe.

    • Jul 6, 20137:39 pm
      by oats

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      If balanced means purely a defensive player instead of purely an offensive player then you are right. If you actually mean all around, I give the edge to Monroe. Smith is a terribly inefficient scorer, and some advanced stats think he’s actually harmful to his team’s offense. I’d say Monroe has a pretty big advantage on that side of the ball. Defense definitely favors Smith, but not quite as much as most would assume. Greg is actually better at defending the pick and roll, the most exploited play for getting 4s points. Monroe is also better at defending spot up shooters. Monroe is truly awful at defending the post, but there aren’t exactly a lot of post scoring 4s. I’d say that if offense and defense are being taken into account it’s mostly a wash. The problem is that Monroe is much better on the boards, and that makes him the better player. He’s also younger and has room to improve while Smith has hit his peak.

      • Jul 6, 20139:43 pm
        by frankie d

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        Agreed wholeheartedly.
        Imho, fans who are talking about trading monroe-unless it is for an allstar level talent – are just crazy.  With the scarcity of competent big men like monroe, you keep him unless you get an offer that knocks your sox off.

      • Jul 6, 201311:08 pm
        by Who Is Us?

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        Monroe is also a better passer/facilitator, is 2+ inches taller and is a good locker room guy. The thing that worries me the most about Smith coming in his attitude. That last thing the Piston’s young locker room needs is to learn how to be me first locker room, coach killing cancers.

        • Jul 7, 20131:41 pm
          by Huddy

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          Wouldn’t say Monroe is a better passer.  Smith averaged more assists on a team with a real facilitating PG already.  Monroe averaged less with the offense running through him most
          of the time. 

      • Jul 7, 201310:42 am
        by tarsier

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        /I think he meant balanced in the psychological sense./ 

  • Jul 6, 20136:58 pm
    by angry little man

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    One more thing , trade Monroe for Rondo !!!!!

  • Jul 6, 20137:00 pm
    by Eric

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    If I had to guess I would say Rondo is a real option right now. In the talks with Smith on the opening day of free agency I’m sure Rondo was brought up by Dumars as a potential selling point to Smith. What else do you talk about for 5 hours? Rondo and Smith were roommates and best buds in high school and they have wanted to play together ever since. Also there were reports about the Pistons going after Rondo. With the Celts new coach I would see them wanting to move Rondo and tank this season. I think it might just be a matter of time before Dumars offers something like Moose and Knight or Moose and expiring contracts for Rondo. With Rondo, Smith, and Drummond we are probably the 3rd-4th best team in the weak Eastern Conference behind Miami, Indiana, and maybe the Bulls.

  • Jul 6, 20137:03 pm
    by Jack56

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    Everyone talks about Rondo as if they can’t stand the guy…even the Boston Reporters say that none of his coaches (even college coach) liked him.

    Most players don’t even want to be around him….they say he is uncoachable….is that really what we need?  

    • Jul 6, 201311:12 pm
      by Who Is Us?

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      Just what the team needs after adding a highly questionable locker room guy in Smith is to add Ron-diva who has a Will Bynum-esque jumper and is coming of an ACL injury and whose who game is based on speed an quickness.
       
      Not really the ideal trade target for a young team in need of leadership and shooting.

  • Jul 6, 20137:06 pm
    by Justin

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    Detoit is going to be lob city with Drummond Smtih and Mitchell
    Trade Stuck CV and a 2nd rounder for Rudy
    Trade Monroe for Rondo
    Pick up Maxiell contract for another year
     
    PG: Rondo, Bynum, Siva
    SG: Knight, Caldwell-Pope
    SF: Gay, Sigler, JJ
    PF: Smith, Mitchell
    C: Drummond, Maxiell 
    I Like that Lineup
    C’mon Joe 
    Make it happen                     

    • Jul 6, 20138:42 pm
      by Domnick

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      Im againts trading monroe this season… Trade away expiring contracts like stuck and cv

    • Jul 7, 201312:45 am
      by jamesjones_det

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      I have no idea why you guys are so blinded by Brawndo…  Add coming off an ACL injury and you are just nuts if you do this trade.  Guy will be lucky to play 50 games for us and avg 1/2 of what he used to.  Go ahead and look up the numbers for guards and any player in general coming of an ACL injury.  Most have less than a 20% chance of returning to the previous form.

  • Jul 6, 20137:06 pm
    by Alex

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    OJ Mayo for $8M would have looked nice in Red, White, and Blue.

  • Jul 6, 20137:07 pm
    by Satch

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    What players don’t want to be around him? KG? Pierce? Not anyone who gives a shit about winning a championship. Rondo is a defensive monster and he’s got a pissy mean streak. Sounds like just about the identity that the Pistons should be trying to foster.

    • Jul 6, 20137:41 pm
      by Jack56

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      Yes, KG and Pierce couldn’t stand the guy and not b/c he was a winner…this is why they kept trying to trade him….Rondo will scare others away and sow seeds of immaturity on the Pistons…exactly what our young Pistons need!

  • Jul 6, 20137:16 pm
    by Eric

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    We have some leverage against the Celtics now that we have Josh Smith also. We can give them a low ball offer and if they don’t accept we can just say we will get Rondo when he is a free agent in 2 years. At that point we will still have Smith who Rondo wants to play with and we can keep our young assets like Moose and Knight.

    • Jul 6, 20137:46 pm
      by Jack56

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      Leverage? If we are willing to wait two years we will be in trouble….we hold no leverage…we need someone now.

  • Jul 6, 20137:18 pm
    by Geof

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    Jeff Teague for 8 mil over 3 years! Get it down Joe. Knight off of the bench in a nice 3 guard rotation with KCP.

    • Jul 6, 20138:08 pm
      by oats

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       Why doesn’t Atlanta match that offer?

      • Jul 6, 20138:39 pm
        by Geof

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        i’ve read that Atlanta hasn’t been doing much contract wise with him, maybe they’re not interested in retaining his services

        • Jul 6, 201311:32 pm
          by Who Is Us?

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          More likely just avoiding bidding against themselves. They are waiting for other teams to set the market value for him rather than give him bigger contract than it would take to keep him.

      • Jul 7, 201312:32 am
        by piston fan

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        because they signed Paul Millsap to replace him.

        • Jul 7, 201312:19 pm
          by tarsier

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          They signed millsap to replace teague??????

  • Jul 6, 20137:18 pm
    by mike

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    Don’t forget 17 mil in expiring contracts too to combine with the capspace in trades.

    I have a feeling we are getting Rondo somehow. But it may not be until mid-season next year. I read a BOS insider say they think BOS wants to wait until he can prove he’s fully healthy on the court before trading, so they can get full value for him. By then, we may also have realized that we don’t need Monroe anymore with Smith, and I could see a trade happen then. Especially with Monroe due for an extension next year that will probably cost MORE than Rondo. It would make sense. Its also always possible Joe feels Rondo is going to be fine and doesn’t want to wait, agreeing to deal Monroe for him now.

    But I believe the 3 of them Moose/Dre/Smith can be amazing together should no Rondo trade ever happen. 

    • Jul 6, 20137:42 pm
      by sop

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      Are people forgetting that Rondo is likely to miss most or all of the season recovering from the ACL? Count me among the believers that Smoov/Monroe/Drummond can work. I’d actually rather see the Pistons throw $8mil a year at Jennings and see what happens. Monroe is worth more than Rondo.

      • Jul 6, 201310:15 pm
        by gucci mane

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        he did not fully tear his acl. he is expected back for training camp or first month of season at latest

        • Jul 7, 201311:08 am
          by jamesjones_det

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          Even small tears have a impact on players maneuverability going forward.  Before you guys start toughing Brawndo you should do some research on his injury…  If you know anything about ACL injuries in any sport you would know most have a low success rate when it comes to not re-injury and returning to their previous form.  Yes, that’s even with “today’s” medicine.

      • Jul 7, 20138:36 am
        by Butterscotch

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        I totally agree with you. Amen.

  • Jul 6, 20137:24 pm
    by angry little man

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    The signing of Smith leaves Monroe the odd man out imo, Monore is too feeble defensively. Monroe for Rondo Joe get it done.

    Now on Rondos attitude, isnt this why we signed Cheeks as head coach ? His ability to handle and develop problem players ? ie Westbrook of the Thunder. I think this could work.   

    • Jul 6, 20137:45 pm
      by Lord Jesus Perm

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      The Pistons signing Smith doesn’t mean that Monroe is automatically out; they can run a lineup with all three on the floor (though it pretty much kills them against small ball lineups like the Heat) given Smith’s ability to play out on the perimeter. Monroe is still a good rebounder, and Drummond can protect the rim in case Monroe is beaten in the post.

      I think some people are overrating Rondo a bit here; he just tore up his knee, and even before the injury, he wasn’t the defensive terror he was 2 years ago (when a Monroe for Rondo deal would be a no-brainer). He’d be an upgrade to be sure, as he can still play good defense and distribute the ball; however, I don’t think he’s as good as he’s being made out to be right now.

      As for Westbrook, the only “problems” the guy’s really had are flareups during games (two public yelling matches with Durant and being benched once due to poor play). Rondo was a big reason for a player (Ray Allen) leaving for Miami and his coach bolting to the Clippers. Those are two entirely different things. 

      • Jul 6, 20138:50 pm
        by Max

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        I really think Miami’s small ball lineup is the biggest reason they came close to losing in the conference finals and finals.   Historically, they are the only team to achieve much of anything with a small ball lineup.   There is little reason why Drummond can’t punish the Heat going forward even more than Roy Hibbert managed to do during the playoffs last year when Miami was ceding him wide open dunks every couple of minutes. 

        • Jul 6, 20139:03 pm
          by Ryan Kelly

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          Lol.  You are assuming Drummond who hasnt hit one jump hook in his entire career and cannot make free throws either will do more damage then Roy hibbert who is an all star.    Hahahah.  I need some of that weed you smokin.   Might make sense to see if Drummond actually has any offensive game outside of dunks before making that claim.   

          • Jul 6, 20139:24 pm
            by Max

            For the record, last year veteran Hibbert averaged 12 points a game in 28 minutes while shooting 45% from the field.   The rookie Drummond averaged 8 point a game in 21 minutes while shooting 61% percent from the field.   Drummond’s scoring numbers are much more productive and I was talking about Drummond getting open dunks.   He is definitely more athletic and faster than Hibbert.    

          • Jul 6, 201311:21 pm
            by STILL BELIEVE IN BK

            For the record I saw Drummond hit at least one hook on a post up on Jonas Valanciunas. It was his first game back from injury too.

          • Jul 7, 20132:28 pm
            by tarsier

            I’m not considered among the more optimistic Pistons fans. But even I expect Drummond to have a better career than Hibbert.

        • Jul 6, 201311:45 pm
          by Who Is Us?

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          I think the point is more along the lines of if you try to play a small ball line up against the Pistons they have 3 guys to potentially take advantage of that match up with.
          Using the Heat as an example: if they have Bosh, James, and Battier/Miller/Allen on the floor against Drummond, Monroe, and Smith, then you have Bosh on Drummond-Draw, James on Monroe: Monroe SHOULD be able to get a quality shot off, Battier/Miller/Allen on Smith: Huge Mismatch especially in the post. Is you shift James onto Smith then Monroe should score at will. It becomes a matter of can other teams match the Pistons size.
           
          On the defensive end, for all Smith’s faults he is good enough to cover all of those guys in the Miami hypothetical. Having Drummond on the back end also helps Monroe and the rest of the Piston’s defenders be more aggressive man-to-man defenders away from the basket. Overall I think the Pistons would be a Plus against small ball line ups and very dangerous.

          • Jul 7, 20134:18 am
            by Dan Feldman

            I’m not convinced Smith is a good enough post-up player to consistently take advantages of those matchups, but that will be one of the most interesting elements to watch next season.

          • Jul 7, 201311:03 am
            by Who Is Us

            I think that it is less of a concern when he is being guarded by SGs in a small ball line up, with his size, talent, and strength alone he should be able to get whatever shot he wants in those match ups. Should being the operative word.

    • Jul 6, 20137:51 pm
      by Jack56

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      Doc Rivers (a great coach) couldn’t handle Rondo…why would you think Cheeks could?

  • Jul 6, 20137:30 pm
    by MongoSlade86

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    How about Chauncey 8 mil 2 years where we would get him for his leardership and a chance to get some coaching experience as an assistant if we last 2 years with Cheeks, since Cheeks has only one assistant so far in Rasheed possibly. I am not sure if you can have a player be an assistant at the same.

  • Jul 6, 20137:33 pm
    by Russell

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    So…if Chucky is amnestied, how much do we have?

  • Jul 6, 201310:19 pm
    by angry little man

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     OATS : I’ll stick by what I said in saying trading Monroe. A few questions for you, where do you get your info that Monroe is better then Josh Smith at defending the pick and roll and spot up shooters from ? Every game I’ve seen Monroe playing he gets smoked by opposing guards exploiting his lack or unwillingness to defend.

    I will give you this, he is a better rebounder then Smith, however you said that Smith has hit his peak. With this I disagree most bigs hit their prime in their late 20′s so imo Smith can get better. Now Im certainly not saying that Monroe cant get better because I think he can at the very least get better defensively.

    My only problem with Monroe is that he needs to get tougher or get on a training program to get stronger.      Monroe imo is a glorified Nazr mohammed.

    • Jul 6, 201311:28 pm
      by Who Is Us?

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      You are insane, Nazr Mohammed never, and I mean NEVER had the offensive talent that Monroe has and has never been even close to as good a ball handler/passer, and is an inferior rebounder. That statement is simply uniformed at the very best.

      • Jul 7, 201312:42 am
        by jamesjones_det

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        Hum, I will go ahead and have to disagree about his handles and passing, he’s pretty good for a guy 6’10″.  His defense on the other hand sucks the monkey, no argument there.

    • Jul 7, 20132:15 am
      by oats

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      Synergy Sports. They use game tape to analyze how a guy plays. Monroe gives up fewer points per possession in those situations.

  • Jul 6, 201310:21 pm
    by tarsier

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    If the Pistons amnesty CV and sign Teague, Wright, and Jamison, their upside will be joining the ranks of the Pacers, Bulls, Knicks, and Nets in a dogfight for the 2 seed.

  • Jul 6, 201310:23 pm
    by angry little man

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    On Josh Smiths penchant for taking outside shots, with the presence of Drummond Smith should get a ton of open looks. Not that I’m thrilled that he does this but I think his shooting percentage will go up from the outside.

    • Jul 7, 201312:24 am
      by Worm

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      I’m sorry, does Drummond demand attention that Al Horford doesn’t?

    • Jul 7, 20132:19 am
      by oats

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      No one is defending Josh Smith on the perimeter now. They want him to take those shots because he is terrible at them. He seriously can’t get more open than he has been.

    • Jul 7, 20134:04 am
      by Dan Feldman

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      It’s not like Smith was taking a lot contested jumpers before.

      • Jul 7, 201310:59 am
        by tarsier

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        Yeah, his pass or his drive are a lot more intimidating to defenses than his shot when he’s 10 feet or more from the basket.

  • Jul 6, 201311:23 pm
    by Who Is Us?

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    RONDO IS NOT THE ANSWER!! HE IS A WORSE FIT FOR THE PISTONS THAN TREY BURKE WAS ESPECIALLY WITH THE SIGNING OF SMITH!!!
    AND GIVING UP MONROE FOR RONDO WOULD BE AN EPIC MISTAKE AT THIS POINT AND ANYONE WHO THINKS DIFFERENTLY JUST DOESN’T KNOW BASKETBALL!!!!!!!!
     
    Rondo can’t shoot.
    He is coming of an ACL injury and his WHOLE game is based on speed and quickness.
    He is not a leader, he has a questionable attitude and putting him, together with Smith’s attitude issues in the young Pistons locker room is a terrifying mix. Look at what Rodney Stuckey learned from being in a bad locker room with bad guys (AI).
    And if for no other reason to not acquire him, you never trade big for small. You don’t trade away a 23 year old, 6’11″ borderline all star, for a 6’1″ 185lb PG coming off an ACL tear who you still really don’t know how good he is without being surrounded by 3 Hall of Fame teammates.
    Rondo is very good, I don’t begrudge that he has talent. But, he has never been the best player on his team, he has never been the go to player on the Celtics, he has always had KG, Jesus Shuttlesworth, and Pierce to be the guys on that team to lead and take the last shot. Although his is more talented than Mario Chalmers, he benefits from the same principal of surrounding talent.
     

    • Jul 7, 201312:40 am
      by jamesjones_det

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      Thank you!  I want to shoot myself every time I hear someone talking about us getting Rondo for Monroe or some other out of their mind trade.

  • Jul 6, 201311:40 pm
    by TheDoctor

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    Joe D just updated our PF position.  In a couple years he would be forced to give Monroe a pretty nice chunk of money.  Smith is better and will come cheaper in the long run.  Monroe lacks the agression that the Pistons are built upon (Wallace, Max, Sheed, Laimbeer, Rodman, etc).  We will trade Monroe for Rondo somehow.  Also, 2 ways to spin the CV/Stuckey scenario.  It could be that we trade for Gay, Granger or Deng (all expendable SFs but also have expiring contracts) for Stuckey/CV OR if there are no suitors we can just let those run out and pick up one of them with that same amount of money (on the cheap) next year.  The beauty of getting someone this year is that you can get a nice relationship and see how they flow with the team…a sneak preview. 

    Starting lineup:
    Rondo
    BK7 then MCP
    GayDengGranger
    Smith
    Dre

    It would be very hard to beat offensively and defensively…young and veterans.

  • Jul 7, 201312:39 am
    by jamesjones_det

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    Too tired to look this up at the moment, if they amnesty CV they would have the space as well right?  Though I think the window for that is closed now, but was curious.

    • Jul 7, 20134:32 am
      by Dan Feldman

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      Pistons can use the amnesty only between July 10 and July 16.

      • Jul 7, 201310:56 am
        by tarsier

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        Here’s hoping they use it July 10.

      • Jul 7, 201311:11 am
        by jamesjones_det

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        Sweet, for some reason I thought it was from July 1st to July 7th!  Glad to know it’s 10-16 :)

  • Jul 7, 20131:12 am
    by Jim Batchelder

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    So how many double double guys do we have on the team?  I try not getting rid of them especially trading for a guy who just blew, or hurt his ACL.  MCL not so worried.  Apparently no one believes the draft was going to help us much.  All I hear is trade trade trade.  Max has got to go.  Love him but.  CV can stay or go.  Find another  6’10,” 3 point big man that can play better deffence then trade him.  Oh, Rasheed as an assistant?  Not a Big believer in Rasheed.  “Ball Dont Lie”.  He came to the Pistons with Planter Faceitas (sorry on spelling), and did not produce, thanks to Momet and Elden Campbell we didn’t even need Rasheed.  Then the next year he left the only other guy named Mr. Big Shoot Horry, to cover a guy falling out of bounds, and we lost.  So, maybe he can handle Smith, or teach him how to get T’s.

  • Jul 7, 20136:11 am
    by MrCarter

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    Jeff Teague is still available, and I’m surprised no one’s talking about Goran Dragic. Now that Phoenix has Bledsoe, I’d be targeting him as our PG of the future in case we can’t get Rondo. Maybe something like a deal where we take on Beasley’s contract in return for getting Dragic(much like how we’d most likely have to take on Courtney Lee’s contract if we got Rondo). I like Dragic a lot. Living in Arizona I get to see a lot of him and he’s a lot like a younger bigger version of Calderon with much better defense. Should be a great option should we choose to pursue him. And don’t forget about Wilson Chandler. I know he was injured last year but that would be a great option at small forward for us. In a cost adding move, maybe Singler + 2014 2nd round pick for Chandler. Should be noted that Chandler hit a career high 41% from 3pt range last year(seeing as how we need perimeter shooting). He’d be a nice fit on the wings with Pope. Those are just a few ideas I thought of. Hope they help. BADBOYS4LIFE!!!

    • Jul 7, 201310:54 am
      by tarsier

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      I don’t see Phoenix having any incentive to move Dragic. It might be doable if Detroit were willing to surrender Pope in the deal.

      • Jul 7, 201310:58 am
        by MrCarter

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        Why not? They got a logjam at PG there in Bledsoe/Dragic/Marshall and even Shannon Brown if you want to count him(plays a lot of pg as well)

        • Jul 7, 201312:24 pm
          by tarsier

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          Brown is irrelevant to the conversation. He is a minor role player who should never factor into a team’s personnel decisions.

          Bledsoe looked good for a short time, but so did Collisson as Paul’s backup/temporary replacement. He needs to prove it over a longer period before a team fire sales a starting caliber point. Besides, he and Dragic have complimentary skill sets. They can play together.

          Marshall is a prospect who has so far been unimpressive. if he improves, that might change things. But right now, if Phoenix looks to deal a PG, he’d be the one. And f you’re not interested in getting Marshall, that should help to answer your question about why Dragic isn’t necessarily available.

    • Jul 7, 201311:55 am
      by Russell C

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      I live out here too and he is much, much better since he came back. The Pistons would have to take Beasley probably and just bury him at the end of the bench. Keep him off the east side too.

  • Jul 7, 201311:14 am
    by druhouse

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    The Smith move is exciting and troubling at the same time. And it seems our options for the backcourt are dissolving quickly.  Joe D needs to pounce on Denver and their need to dump Andre Miller and get a steady hand at the 1 to guide our young core.  Miller has a history of splitting time with a young PG (Lawson) and helping them along ala Ridnour with Rubio, plus he is one of the premiere lob-passers.  And I don’t think he is terrible at the long-ball.  It seems like a stretch to think it would work out this nice. I would much prefer him to Mo Williams.  

  • Jul 7, 201312:43 pm
    by tarsier

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    May as well go hard after Teague. If that doesn’t work out, there are lots of serviceable PGs left including Jack, Udrih, and Collison.

    Henderson and Wright are available wings, although they seem pretty identical to Pope. 

  • Jul 7, 201312:58 pm
    by apa8ren9

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    It makes absolutely no sense that you would trade a 6’11 big man that can actually play before you absolutely have to trade him or you are trading him for someone thats an all-star or all-nba player. 

  • Jul 7, 20132:16 pm
    by brandow

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    how bout we trade knight and stuckey for rondo and keep monroe. i think monroe is too valuable to this team. then the starting lineup would be
    PG. rondo/siva
    SG. pope/english
    SF. smith/JJ
    PF. monroe/mitchael
    C. drummond     

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