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Pistons don’t offer Josh Smith contract, but meeting goes well

David Aldridge of NBA.com:

DET, Josh Smith didn’t get specific on $ at meeting Monday, per source. It was a "feeling out" process to see if both are comfortable w/fit.

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports:

After Josh Smith’s meeting w/ Detroit GM Joe Dumars, source close to Smith tells Y!: "Good, productive talks. Intriguing to say the least."

Josh Smith is like every other free agent (save Chris Paul and Dwight Howard, who would be quality signings even with the max contracts they’ll surely get). Smith could present good or poor value depending on his contract. Until we know how much the Pistons offer Smith, it’s impossible to evaluate completely whether they’d be getting good value by signing him.

175 Comments

  • Jul 1, 201310:13 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Josh Smith….

  • Jul 1, 201310:16 am
    by Robb

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    You get him here then let him leave without signing?

    BAD!! BAD!!

    Sign both Smith and Igadollar while both here, we have the cash and won’t get a second chance… 

    • Jul 1, 201310:52 am
      by chris

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      Noob you cant sign players until june 10th

      • Jul 1, 20134:33 pm
        by tarsier

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        True, but you can offer a contract. Not saying Detroit should have, but they could have.

        • Jul 1, 20137:15 pm
          by frankie d

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          feel a bit better.
          usually, a team will make an immediate offer, if the teams are going to go forward.
          looks like detroit did not hit the number that smith wanted them to offer, so he’s probably going forward to see if he can get it elsewhere.
          will be surprised now, if he signs with detroit. 

          • Jul 1, 201311:07 pm
            by tarsier

            I wouldn’t be. Nobody is going to give him the number he wants. It’s just a matter of who comes closest.

  • Jul 1, 201310:17 am
    by jacob

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    Might as well sign him.

  • Jul 1, 201310:19 am
    by James

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    This is very odd to me.  Why do you spend 5 hours talking to someone right after free agency starts, yet not make an offer?

    Believe me, I’m glad we didn’t make an offer though.  I don’t want Smith for what it’ll likely take to get him and for the fact the Pistons seem to think he can play the 3.

    • Jul 1, 201310:46 am
      by Jeremy

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      I think it’s more the fact that he can give you minutes at the 3 – a la Lamar Odom style (actually their 3pt and shooting %’s are very similar to one another). It also would give them the option of going big against more traditionally built teams (see the Nets) or small against the newer style of team (see Miami – hell, the last 4 games of the NBA finals had a starting line up of Chalmers, Wade, Miller, James, and Bosh). Furthering that sentiment, we all know that Monroe or Dre would be able to check Lebron when Miami goes small. So the idea would probably be to rock Smith, Monroe, and Drummond as a starting front court and then bring Singler/Jonas off the bench to substitute for Monroe or Drummond and then slide Smith to PF with Monroe/Drummond at center. I guess for all we know they may feel Drummond isn’t ready to start and they want to go Smith and Monroe as bigs to start.
       
      I’m not saying any of this will work or that it is the right signing, just trying to play the devil’s advocate here. I think Smith at a certain price is worth the risk – $7 to $9 mil per is a manageable contract – I wouldn’t pay him anything near what he wants.

  • Jul 1, 201310:19 am
    by koz

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    = CV or BG?

  • Jul 1, 201310:21 am
    by Blocks by Dre

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    We don’t want good players here…it’s mediocre or nothing!

  • Jul 1, 201310:29 am
    by jacob

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    Ya we should tank every year. Trying to win the lottery is so fukcing fun to watch.

  • Jul 1, 201310:38 am
    by D_S_V

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    I wish Joe managed his team like the Rockets, Pacers, or Thunder.

  • Jul 1, 201310:40 am
    by Black_Magic

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    jeeeesus christ. You guys rip the shit outta dumars for even talking to the guy, and no contract was offered, so you guys rip him too. You fans are a joke. Why the hell would you not want a 17 and 9 guy. Who gives a flying fuck that he can’t shoot well, KCP and BK7 will make up for that. Id rather have Josh Smith at 3 than kyle fucking singler. He plays killer defense, gets boards, and scores points. All you are so fucking negative. No to josh smith, no to iggy. WHO THE FUCK DO YOU WANT THEN. 

    • Jul 1, 201310:58 am
      by G

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      Can’t play BK7 & Pope at the same time unless Pope is going to pack on 15 lbs of muscle & play an undersized 3.

      I want Detroit to make their FA run at Jeff Teague, & then go after a guy like Martell Webster or Dorell Wright at the 3 and maybe a guy like Carl Landry or Speights for a backup big. I realize none of those names are sexy, but they make the team better while not crippling the cap for next year.

      • Jul 1, 201311:59 am
        by ryan

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        Dude how is it that your plan for the summer sounds so much better than what the Pistons appear to be doing? I totally agree with making small moves that’ll help get us into the playoffs without using up all our cap space for next year.

        I also think we should be getting on those deals like The Blazers did taking Thomas Robinson from the Rockets for next to nothing.

        • Jul 1, 201312:18 pm
          by G

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          Thanks man. I think my plan sounds better in part because I don’t have an impatient owner breathing down my neck & my job isn’t at stake, so I’m more free to make reasonable suggestions. Several moves Dumars has made over the years smack of panic moves. As in “must DO something, must do NOW”.

          I’m all on board with Bill Simmons’ idea that each team hire a “VP of common sense” to say things like “you want to spend max money on a guy who’s never made an all star team?” and “I’m sure there won’t be a problem running an offense that features 3 players who mainly score within 3 ft of the hoop”.

        • Jul 1, 201312:43 pm
          by Filo Putz

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          There is a reason that he’s on his third team in 3 years after getting being the 5th player taken in a good draft. Can you guess what it is???

          • Jul 1, 20131:16 pm
            by Huddy

            Because the Rockets think Dwight Howard is better and Sacramento is a terrible organization?
             
            There is a reason no one wants to pay Josh Smith max money.  Can you guess what it is???
             

          • Jul 1, 20134:01 pm
            by Filo Putz

            Huddy  Have you seen Thomas Robinson play??? Looks to be one of the alltime busts.. And yes you’re right No one wants to give Josh Smith the max salary because his assessed value in free agency is 15-18 per year not 20.

      • Jul 1, 201312:03 pm
        by Filo Putz

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        Not just not sexy but the team wouldn’t be as good as it would if they just signed Smith!

        • Jul 1, 201312:42 pm
          by G

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          That’s, like, your OPINION man.

          Explain how adding one really good (but flawed & poorly fitting) player trumps adding 2 good (and well-fitting) players and a decent bench guy.

          • Jul 1, 201312:46 pm
            by Filo Putz

            Obviously you’ve learned nothing about what it takes to win from all the analytics you read in the media.

          • Jul 1, 20131:32 pm
            by G

            Really? Say Detroit gets Smith and maybe a couple bench guys… Where do you think they finish? MAYBE they make the playoffs. Maybe. And they’re locked in with Smith for 4 years.

            Add Teague, Webster & a couple bench guys, maybe they make the playoffs and they’ve got money to spend next year. Both guys would have easily movable contracts (if a trade possibility comes along) and they fit the team better. Detroit could spend summer of 2014 on re-signing Monroe & go after Deng or Granger to upgrade the 3.

            Then you’ve got a lineup of Teague, KCP, Deng/Granger, Monroe and Drummond with whoever, Knight, Webster, Mitchell and Wright coming off the bench. That has potential. Possibly 4 seed in the East, depending on the breaks. 

          • Jul 1, 20131:48 pm
            by Max

            Smith stays healthy.   Granger and Deng are hurt almost every year.   

            This is all such nonsense.    To keep things simple, let’s say Drummond, Monroe and Smith all play 36 minutes a night.   That means they can play 12 minutes together and Smith can play 24 minutes at PF with Monroe and Drummond each playing 24 minutes at center.  What is wrong with that scenario?   Everyone is so concentrated on offense that they are blind to the defensive and rebounding dominance that Smith would bring to this team when paired with the Pistons bigs.   DE-FENSE! 

      • Jul 1, 201312:06 pm
        by Ryan

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        2 votes for this plan – prefer Webster’s 3PT% to Wright’s but the latter would be OK on a small contract.

        • Jul 1, 201312:37 pm
          by G

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          Webster & Wright are not mutually exclusive, especially for what they’ll cost.

          • Jul 1, 20134:43 pm
            by tarsier

            True, but is having both worthwhile? That just means keeping one fewer young prospect around.

    • Jul 1, 201311:43 am
      by Ron

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      Hey, you’re totally right. While we’re at it, we should just give $14M to Andrew Bynum, too! I mean, he’s a really talented player, he’s young — WHAT MORE COULD WE POSSIBLY WANT??

      Oh, that’s right:

      1. Players that fit this team, not ones that just happen to be available this season (see Gordon, Ben and V., Charles)

      2. Players that won’t cripple us financially when we can use that money on other players that fit the team in the near future (see Prince, Tayshaun and Hamilton, R.I.P.)

      3. Players who will improve the culture we are trying desperately to finally rebuild here, not rip it to effing shreds in its effing infancy (see Allen “Abomination” Iverson)

      What we want, Black_Magic, is a the Pistons’s front office to execute a plan and to act like they have a clue, not like a bunch of clowns. The restraint shown by not signing the first guy they talked to at midnight is, yes, a step in the right direction.

      I get from your all-caps that you are emotional like many of us. Welcome to the show, my bro. So, now you know what we want: Sanity, and the inner peace of knowing that the mighty Motor City is capable of running our team as well as some overweight, cow-wrangling ghost town in Texas or the collection of freaks, weirdos, and face eaters that is South Beach. That is not too much to ask. That is our demand.

      • Jul 1, 201312:19 pm
        by G

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        1. Agree
        2. Agree
        3. Agree

        Well put. 

    • Jul 1, 201312:01 pm
      by Ryan

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      Black Magic, I disagree that blowing money fast on Smith and/or Iggy is our only option going forward, but I’ll give you one point here: As a fan base, we can’t knock Joe for talking to him AND for not putting numbers on the table.

    • Jul 1, 201312:31 pm
      by oats

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      @Black Magic. It looks like one group of people are not happy Detroit is interested in him, and another group are not happy he wasn’t given an offer. I’m don’t think Detroit should sign Smith to anything close to the number he made last year even, which means I am actually happy that they didn’t offer him a contract that he might accept.

  • Jul 1, 201310:42 am
    by Black_Magic

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    like honestly, you cant go back to winning championships with just signing role players, or players that you can get for a bargain. You have to pay somebody. And the only players that are PERFECT fits for this team are lebron and Paul George. So good luck with that. 

    • Jul 1, 201310:47 am
      by D_S_V

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      Agree! Paul George and LeBron would both be great fits! I’ll take either!

      • Jul 1, 201310:49 am
        by Ryan

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        Haha! NBA Live GM mode…

    • Jul 1, 201312:36 pm
      by oats

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      Let’s be realistic, this team isn’t winning championships for at least another 3 years. I would say 5 is more likely, but let’s be generous and say 3. In 3 years Smith will be 30 and probably slowing down too much to keep at the 3. So adding him won’t get you in championship contention either, and his hefty contract will likely be pretty hard to live with when he is a backup PF. The team might be forced to trade Monroe because they have too much money locked into the 4 spot. I’m not unwilling to trade Monroe if it makes sense, but I don’t want the team to have to move him even for less than even value. That’s not a smart use of assets. Adding some nice little pieces gives the team assets for a trade, it makes them better now, and it doesn’t screw up long term plans to try to find another good player. It just makes more sense to look at this off season as the first of a 3-5 year plan.

      • Jul 1, 20131:56 pm
        by Max

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        Um, when Shawn Marion slowed down he went from playing the four to being a champion while playing the 3.   Smith seems like a pretty reasonable comparison to Marion in terms of projecting their career arches even though Smith is a much more complete player and therefore should be a better small forward.  

        • Jul 1, 20132:47 pm
          by oats

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          Shawn Marion is smaller, and probably a little bit quicker than Smith. It’s also not like Marion was much of a focal point on that Dallas team. They were starting Caron Butler at the 3 to start the season, and they tried desperately to avoid playing Marion there. They tried to trade a first round draft pick for Tayshaun that year to avoid playing Marion at the 3. They gave starts to Deshawn Stevenson (with Roddy Beaubois in the back court so he could slide over) and Peja Stojakovic at the 3 because they didn’t like Marion starting at the 3. They kind of were forced into playing Marion at the 3, but they wanted to play him as a backup 4. He also played PF almost exclusively last year.

          • Jul 1, 20135:16 pm
            by Max

            But when they won the championship in the finals and throughout the playoffs, Marion mostly played the 3.   Whatever their plan was, it seems like playing him at 3 worked out.  

    • Jul 1, 20131:50 pm
      by Max

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      Thank you, Black Magic.   Role players without stars will not get it done.  

    • Jul 1, 20133:04 pm
      by Chris

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      Except for the 2004 Pistons who didn’t have any “stars” (they had some known names, but no stars) and they turned out pretty fine.
       

      • Jul 1, 20133:46 pm
        by Max

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        The 2004 Pistons had four all stars, Tay and the 6th man of the year.  What nonsense. 

  • Jul 1, 201310:53 am
    by Steve K

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    Aldridge said “DET, Josh Smith didn’t get specific on $”. So that could very well be Josh Smith’s call. He might want to see what other teams have to say before committing.
     
    I’ll criticize Joe when appropriate, but I don’t think this is that time. Let someone else max out Josh Smith’s contract. It does no harm in waiting. Otherwise, the Pistons are bidding against themselves.

  • Jul 1, 201311:05 am
    by tommy t

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    oh god…NO! please let somebody else sign him.

  • Jul 1, 201311:13 am
    by Ryan Kelly

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    Lol.  Here we go again with the ‘value’ comment.   I’ll say it again.   No really good player is coming to Detroit right now at a bargain price.   So either you overpay guys like josh smith or you can have bums like Gerald Henderson at good ‘value’. 

    • Jul 1, 201311:21 am
      by G

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      If the Pistons are going to overpay someone, I’d want it to be a better fit than Josh Smith. I’m fully aware that they’ll have to overpay whoever to get him here, but I prefer it be Jeff Teague.

      • Jul 1, 201312:09 pm
        by Filo Putz

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        You just refuse to open your eyes wide enough to see that a point guard upgrade won’t result in more wins anywhere near as much as an upgrade to one or both of the scoring positions

        • Jul 1, 201312:26 pm
          by G

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          A good PG helps everyone score more. A bad PG makes it harder for a scorer to do his job. I have no stats to back this up, but based on watching knight play PG he probably cost Monroe an additional 2 PPG this year with poor passing.

          • Jul 1, 201312:34 pm
            by Filo Putz

            Ridiculous. Did you see some sort of transformation in Monroe when after they traded for Calderon who in the words of that basketball genius Patrick Hayes was “light years better than Knight”.

          • Jul 1, 201312:47 pm
            by G

            Did you expect instant chemistry between 2 players that never played together before?

          • Jul 1, 20135:00 pm
            by Filo Putz

            I love the chemistry comment. You are a just clueless when it comes to assessing talent and what it takes to build a winning team in today’s NBA. But you seem to enjoy acting a buffoon. Keep at it. It’s pretty funny.

        • Jul 1, 201312:39 pm
          by tarsier

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          Wait, point guards don’t score? What are these two positions that score?

          If I look at the top ten NBA scorers, I see two PGs, 3 SGs, 2 SFs, 1 PF, and 2 Cs. That’s pretty darn balanced.

          And then the next three are all PGs. So if there is imbalance, it’s probably toward PGs scoring a lot because to score, you need the ball. And guess which position has the ball the most…

          • Jul 1, 201312:58 pm
            by Filo Putz

            Point Guard can be a scoring position but in a traditional set the point guard is a facilitator where the shooting guard and the small forward are relied on to produce points. Of course if you have a guy like Rose or Westbrook they take on both the role of facilitator and getting baskets.

          • Jul 1, 20131:18 pm
            by G

            Or the PF can be a scoring position, or the C… So really all positions can be scoring positions depending on personnel. Unless you have a predisposition to limiting 2 positions as “scoring positions” and everyone else helps in other ways.

          • Jul 1, 20133:04 pm
            by tarsier

            traditional set?

            Who the heck cares how you define a traditional set. As far back as I can tell, all five positions have scored. And even if they didn’t, just make things work, traditionally or not.

            The Pistons need another big time scorer, at any position. The Pistons need a big time distributor, again at any position. But the vast majority of those are PGs. The scorers play at any spot.

            And I still don’t know which two positions you think score? If you’re talking tradition, I’m betting Cs have scored a lot more than any other position. but if you’re talking today, I think they score the least. 

  • Jul 1, 201311:24 am
    by Black_Magic

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    If you want to win, you need talent, and to get talent, you need to spend money. Its up to the coaching staff to coach around their team. You can’t build everything like its a puzzle. Josh Smith is no Ben Gordon or Charlie V, we know what we’re gonna get. At least 17 and 8, with good defense. if you have to overpay for that, then do it. Its not like we only have 8 mil, and can only sign 1 player. Even if we sign Smith, we can sign other players that excel in his weaknesses. 

    • Jul 1, 201311:37 am
      by G

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      Detroit has too many holes, and it’s not the greatest FA year. Next year should be lots better. So why blow your wad this year & be stuck next year with no cap space and no draft pick? Why not get a little better this year (get some pieces, make the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed) and then swing for the fences in summer of 2014?

      • Jul 1, 201312:43 pm
        by tarsier

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        I think the main reason is because the Pistons have surrendered a pick to be making a FA splash this summer. If they don’t that’s a total loss. Also, now is the best time for cap reasons because next summer, Monroe is due a big raise.

        Furthermore, “great FA years” tend to come with more competition for said FAs. I don’t know that that really helps Detroit. I mean, why is next year considered all that good anyway? Mostly because the Heat’s trio could opt out. Do you think any of them are going to be Pistons? 

        • Jul 1, 201312:58 pm
          by G

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          In addition to the big three you have Pierce (who may retire but still…), Deng, Dirk, Monroe, Granger, Bledsoe, Kobe, Pau, Z-bo, LARRY SANDERS!, Carmelo, Amare (I know, I know), Cousins, Duncan (yeah right), Gay, Favors, and Wall.

          Put with LeBron, Wade and Bosh, and that’s a massively talented free agent class. Wouldn’t you rather make a run at Deng, Wall, or maybe Bledsoe (really 3rd tier guys in next year’s class) instead of Iggy, J-Smoove & possibly JR Smith (2nd tier guys in this year’s class).

          • Jul 1, 20133:07 pm
            by tarsier

            Sorry to burst your bubble but those guys won’t all be FAs. Most classes will look really good if you count everyone who could be a FA a couple years in advance.

            Also, are you really excited about Kobe, Dirk, ZBo, Amare, Duncan, or Pierce a year from now? Even Pau will be a bit questionable. 

          • Jul 1, 20133:25 pm
            by Matt

            How many of them are really going to be FAs though? A lot of them are going to sign extensions this year. A lot of the player you mentioned either are restricted or need to opt out too. This year I suspect things to open up in the trade market once Dwight, Andrew Bynum, Iggy, and Smith sign. Toronto looks like they could blow it up and that could mean DeMar DeRozan could be available. The Nuggets want Iggy might make Chandler available to make room. The losers in the Dwight sweepstakes will want Bynum when he’s gone they might fold and rebuild. Aside from Iggy and Smith I think our talent will come from the trade market. A few more dominos should fall soon and then we could see some moves. Plus don’t forget a lot of trades don’t become public until completed.

          • Jul 1, 20133:49 pm
            by G

            Unrestricted – Deng, Dirk, Bogut, Granger. Kobe, Pau, Z-bo (player option), the Heat’s Big Three (all have ETO’s), ‘Melo & Amare both have ETO’s, Thabo, Gay will probably opt in with his player option, Kyle Lowry.

            I’d guess Amare doesn’t take early termination but LeBron, Wade, Bosh & ‘Melo all take theirs (unless the Heat’s Big Three come to another agreement), and Z-bo opts out for the long-term deal (like Iggy did this year). That’s still pretty good, and then some of those RFA’s will be available too. Some teams will want to renounce their RFA’s to take a shot at the LeBron/Wade/’Melo/Bosh group.

            @ tarsier – I’m not too excited about the players you mentioned for THIS team, but I think a few teams that are a piece away from contending would be. That leaves the younger players like Bledsoe, Lowry, Granger, etc. more available.

          • Jul 1, 20135:04 pm
            by Matt

            Pau Gasol, Z-bo, Dirk, Bogut, and Bosh we already have big men. Kobe’s a Laker. Lebron, Bosh, Wade, and Mello aren’t coming here if they opt out it’ll be to form a super team. Grenger and Deng are good but Grenger’s always hurt and Deng will ask for the moon.

            I think next year will look like this year. Every year it’s “next year is great this year sucks”. That goes for the draft too. If we keep waiting until next year we’ll just keep being mediocre at best. This is the year we set up for so this is the year we go for it. Weather we like the options or not. There are options and by the start of the year our team should look different. Keeping Stuckey and Charlie is our way of praying off teams that are waiting for next year. Unfortunately they won’t help until the deadline. They always play up next year until it gets here and than it’s the next year thats great.

      • Jul 1, 20132:05 pm
        by Max

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        The biggest reason to get a solid player like Smith or Iggy now is that they are extremely solid players who are extremely unlikely to under perform in Detroit due to the fact that they are in their prime and have been incredibly consistent pros on winning teams.  

        Now, I actually left out the biggest reason, sorry.  Signing either Iggy or Smith would represent the biggest marque signing of a free agent in franchise history.   Billups was probably a better signing than either could be but he wasn’t a marque player that anyone was willing to break the bank for–he signed for the midlevel exception.   Detroit has never been able to land a single marque player and to think you can do better than Iggy or Smith (as in a perfect fit player with no questions  next year when other teams will have money too) ignores that the Pistons are not and have never been an attractive franchise for top free agents.   Honestly, I’d be surprised if Iggy or Smith were even willing to sign with Detroit at the end of their process so I would certainly overpay for either of them.   

      • Jul 1, 20132:18 pm
        by rick77

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        This is for G. They cant hold cap space for a year my man, they have to use 90% of the cap. So to say grab this player and that play for this bargain basement price is cool, but it wont save anything cause they have to use the money I have thought of this myself but was told they have to spend 90% of it..

        • Jul 1, 20132:50 pm
          by oats

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          Front loaded deals or one year contracts will allow the team to spend the money this year and not next. High priced long term deals are the ones that sit around and potentially cripple franchises. There are plenty of options better than overspending needlessly on a guy that doesn’t fit.

          • Jul 1, 20132:59 pm
            by G

            ^This is what I’m saying, and why I don’t like the idea of signing Smith for a max deal. On top of that, Detroit really doesn’t have many tradeable pieces right now. Smaller, shorter term contracts are more easily movable & would enable the Pistons to get more trade offers, or to be part of a three-team deal.

  • Jul 1, 201311:33 am
    by Terrell

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    Please Joe don’t get Smith.  Unless he plans on trading monroe. But he definitely can’t play the three. Joe you wasting company time. Iggy really isn’t a good fit.  Think shooter Joe!  Nice sneaky draft. But don’t be dumb! 

  • Jul 1, 201311:38 am
    by RyanK

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    I agree with Dan that Josh Smith could be a good signing…at the right price.  He would be an asset at the right price and a liability at the wrong price.  I’d be shocked if this actually happens…not because it’s not possible, but because it’s unlikely he signs a modest contract.

    • Jul 1, 201311:46 am
      by Jack56

      Reply

      I also agree with Dan…for the right price…Smith would be awesome…for a Max deal…that would be stupid.

  • Jul 1, 201312:08 pm
    by Terrell

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    There is no right price for Smith. He is not a three. It will bw dumb at Joe will get fired over it. Dont want iggy but I rather have him. There will have to a sign trade for us to get a quality starting small foward. But for you people who scream cap space…look you have to spend 70 percent of your cap.

  • Jul 1, 201312:19 pm
    by Black_Magic

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    i understand that we are all fans of the same organization, but man, some people just dont want to do anything. No to Smoove, No to iggy, no to kevin martin, no to jr smith. Who should we sign then? We have to spend the money somewhere? Guaranteed that when Joe D doesnt spend the money on these guys and spends on some other lower teir free agents, everyone will be flipping a shit. OJ Mayo? aw naww all he does is score. You are not going to find a perfect player. Obviously you sign players that counterbalance the weakness’s of others to make a good team. 

    • Jul 1, 201312:31 pm
      by Steve K

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      Who should we sign?
      I’d be cool with a trade for Bledsoe. Or if we’re talking SF, I’d prefer to pay Thaddeus Young $9M than Josh Smith $15M or whatever absurd amount he’s gonna demand. Young is also an actual SF, who shoots over 50%.

    • Jul 1, 201312:39 pm
      by Jon

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      tyreke evans, one of the younger and better players in the FA. he could form a three man rotation with bk7 and KCP that would have huge upside

      • Jul 1, 20131:09 pm
        by G

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        No passing on that perimeter, and it’s a little small if you’re throwing KCP at SF right off the bat.

        • Jul 1, 20133:21 pm
          by Jon

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          yeah i realize right now there isn’t that much passing but tyreke has enough talent and is young enough that he can still learn how to pass. also his shooting this year was much better even from range so that would be good in the backcourt.  i was thinking that either knight or tyreke would start at point with KCP at the 2 then have whoever the 6th man is play both positions.  i realize its not ideal but i’m not quite sure the difference between tyreke and the consensus top 2 pg andrew harrison who is probably going to be a top 5 pick next year except that tyreke is several years older.

          regardless it probably doesn’t matter. pelicans are already all over him and ready to offer him big money 

  • Jul 1, 201312:23 pm
    by Matt

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    @Chris_Broussard: Detroit’s top priority this summer is to get Josh Smith or Andre Iguodala.
    Pistons also intent on bringing back Jose Calderon

    Well… starting lineup
    Jose Calderon
    KCP/Knight/Stuckey/free agent
    Smith/Iggy
    Monroe
    Drummond

    Not sure about this. 7 or 8 seed maybe a little better. I’d rather make a run at Teague than Calderon more potential and defense. The good thing about this is the 17 mill coming next year to fill in some holes. Granted it’ll probably be 10 million once the cap plays out but thats still a good player. Plus the trade chips in Knight and the expiring contracts that will be valuable at the deadline. Who knows at the deadline maybe Dumars can work out some crazy trade for an all star. Crazier things have happened. Minus Calderon this could be a good start. I just don’t see how Calderon fits. If you want to build a suffocating defense Calderon and Monroe won’t cut it. We have a big opportunity right now and have make sure the moves we make are the right ones.

    • Jul 1, 20131:19 pm
      by Filo Putz

      Reply

      I don’t understand most of what your saying here but keep in mind that Monroe becomes an RFA after next season and he’s going to cost a lot to resign

    • Jul 1, 20132:10 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      The Pistons would most definitely have a suffocating defense with Monroe and Calderon in that lineup.  Look, Monroe is a great rebounder and an ok shot blocker.   However, no team has a third best shot blocker in their frontline as good as Monroe.   He will be taking less of a pounding at power forward and the paint will be incredibly well defended in general since Moose will be flanked by Drummond and Smith who could help him.    As for Calderon, he will be free to play as far up on shooters as possible and it will actually be good for the defense if anyone gets by him because they will run into 3 shot blockers–2 of which are elite.  

  • Jul 1, 201312:48 pm
    by tarsier

    Reply

    How would people feel about Eric Gordon assuming the Pistons could trade virtually nothing for him, just taking his onerous contract off the Pelicans’ hands?

    • Jul 1, 201312:58 pm
      by jacob

      Reply

      Hope not, we just drafted kcp, he’s always hurt, he’s overpaid.

      • Jul 1, 20133:12 pm
        by tarsier

        Reply

        Drafting Pope is irrelevant. He’s an unproven role player, although he may be a really good one. I can see rejecting Gordon on his own merits. But Pope is a virtual non-factor to the discussion.

    • Jul 1, 20131:03 pm
      by G

      Reply

      Too much money, too many years left, too many games missed. They’d have to pay us a 2014 draft pick like we did to dump BG, except it should be unprotected.

      • Jul 1, 20131:12 pm
        by jacob

        Reply

        They traded theirs to Philly haha.

        • Jul 1, 20131:21 pm
          by G

          Reply

          Oh yeah. Whoops. Well, I guess they can’t make a deal sweet enough for me then.

      • Jul 1, 20131:23 pm
        by Filo Putz

        Reply

        Your comparing Eric Gordon to Ben Gordon. And you think he’s worth less in trade. Boy you really don’t see value in the shooting guard position do you???

        • Jul 1, 20131:35 pm
          by G

          Reply

          Eric Gordon has a bigger cap hit, dumbass. More money, more years, and he hasn’t done shit since the Clippers shipped him out. 

          • Jul 1, 20134:28 pm
            by Filo Putz

            I’m not talking about his salary I’m talking about his trade value, Moron.. you said he has less trade value than Ben Gordon. You have no clue. Your assessment’s of player for the Pistons to target  for acquisition have been just idiotic. But if you enjoy spouting meaningless crap have it. And by the way, Eric Gordon is 24 years old.  Ben Gordon is 30.

          • Jul 1, 20134:52 pm
            by tarsier

            A player’s salary greatly affects his trade value. David Lee doesn’t have a ton because he makes 8 figures annually. If he were getting $3.5M/yr, his trade value would be through the roof.

          • Jul 2, 201310:53 am
            by G

            Wow, a trade value comment that suggests we completely ignore the salary implications… That’s cute. I’ve been reading Bill Simmons for something like 10-12 years, and his NBA Trade Value column is one of my favorites. Contracts MATTER.

            Yes, Eric Gordon is younger than Ben Gordon (although BG was going into his 29th year when he was dealt and Eric Gordon will be going into his 25th). I consider Eric Gordon to be a better overall player than BG, but not by much. His shooting numbers have gotten worse every year, and he’s missed a TON of games.

            If you’ll recall, the BG trade was done ENTIRELY for salary purposes. Detroit basically paid Charlotte to take Gordon’s contract off their hands by sending a first-rounder. Maggette was no more than an expiring contract, empty space. Eric Gordon’s deal is worse, especially considering the fact that he hasn’t seen the court much. If the Pistons were to take on that contract while trying to rebuild (which I wouldn’t recommend), they should get an asset for it.

            Since Eric Gordon has basically gotten worse every year while being perennially injured (playing in 247 games out of a possible 394) & his contract is worse, YES, I think Eric Gordon’s trade value is lower now than BG’s was last year.

        • Jul 1, 20131:42 pm
          by G

          Reply

          Eric Gordon gets paid $15M/yr through 2016, Ben Gordon was dealt with 2 years left on a deal that paid him $12M-$13M/yr. BG shot .442/.429/.860 his last season in Detroit. Eric Gordon shot .402/.324/.842 and only played in 51 games total the past 2 years. I feel like you’re arguing just to argue & don’t care how moronic your argument is.

          • Jul 2, 20138:43 pm
            by Filo Putz

            They dealt BGordon because they shouldn’t have signed him in the first place, despite the need at shooting. Ben Gordon was a 6th. man in Chicago and they signed at a proven high level starting 2 salary. Eric Gordon has been a high level starting 2 since day one. Allstar quality. True injuries have derailed him but he appeared to be working his way back after he returned.

    • Jul 1, 20131:16 pm
      by oats

      Reply

      He’s played 49 of 148 games for NO, and he’s hit only 31% of his 3 point shots since getting there. He might get healthy and return to form, he might get healthy and stink, and he might never stay healthy. It’s a bad risk.

      • Jul 1, 20131:55 pm
        by oats

        Reply

        Sorry, that’s 51 of 148 games played. I was looking at starts on accident.

  • Jul 1, 20131:23 pm
    by Scott

    Reply

    People keep talking about fit, and its fun to talk about how good or bad it would be for our to to sign/not sign a player, but all of the conjecture is irrelevant really until the season starts. We have no idea what kind of talks Dumars has had with other GM’s. They may intend on starting Smith at PF, then is he a bad fit? The answer is no. Since were not privy to GM talks we could be looking to move one of Monroe or Drummond to bring in a starter at another position for all we know. Its fun to talk about these things, but it sounds like some people think they would be a better GM than Dumars or have a better plan than Dumars, and they are delusional. Dumars couldn’t become a Doctor or Lawyer, or whatever job someone else has done for over a decade, tomorrow and not be terrible at it in comparison, the same goes for the people who think they have it all figured out and could do his job with ANY success at all. Its crazy talk. Let the man do his job, and start your complaining when the season starts, but I’d bet the roster looks like a potential playoff team when the season starts. Win now = get fans to the palace, and fill in players at a value $ aren’t going to get the casual fan in the building, hence the Smith, Iggy, JR Smith talk. If Dumars signs Iggy and Josh Smith, and lets say Monroe gets moved for a all star caliber type PG or SG, then is J Smith still a bad fit. Patience Pistons fans Patience.

  • Jul 1, 20131:36 pm
    by jacob

    Reply

    If we signed Smith, then resign calderon, and added someone like martin or korver we could still spread the floor pretty well. That would be a dominating front line.

    • Jul 1, 20131:58 pm
      by G

      Reply

      So KCP would come off the bench, and you’d have your PG and either Martin or Korver as the only guys on the floor who could make an open 3. That’s worse 3PT shooting than there was after the Prince trade, so no, NOT good floor spacing. And I fear the defense would still be terrible with Calderon, Martin/Korver, and Monroe all being minus defenders.

      • Jul 1, 20132:40 pm
        by jacob

        Reply

        I would keep Charlie v trade Stuckey.
        Start kcp bring in knight and Charlie off the bench along with whoever else we sign. It’s all about the rotation. Calderon would not be as much of a liabilty on d with kcp smith Monroe and Drummond out there. Also rotate our bigs. Those three wouldn’t always play together. It’s all about how we use our players.

        • Jul 1, 20132:51 pm
          by G

          Reply

          So you either have a rotation of Calderon, KCP, Smith, Monroe & Drummond, which is better defensively but not with floor spacing, or Calderon, Martin/Korver, Smith, Monroe & Drummond, which as I said before is shit defensively & not good floor spacing…

          Your best offensive lineup would be Calderon, KCP, Martin, Smith & Monroe, and your best defensive lineup would be Knight, KCP, Singler/Jerebko, Smith and Drummond. The offensive lineup looks pretty good except there’s no Drummond, but the defensive lineup still isn’t very good & there’s no Monroe. 

        • Jul 1, 20133:27 pm
          by Jon

          Reply

          it doesn’t matter how many shooters are on the bench. if the pistons are playing their best three players (smith, monroe, drummond) for the majority of the game as they should that leaves at most 2 shooters on the floor at any one time. that’s not enough spacing

        • Jul 1, 20133:37 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          “I would keep Charlie v”

          If a comment starts this way, you know right off the bat that the person doesn’t know what he is talking about. 

          • Jul 2, 201312:03 am
            by jacob

            Charlie V spaces the floor isn’t that what all you smart people want?

          • Jul 2, 201311:01 am
            by G

            His floor spacing ability is a bit overblown because that’s basically the only thing he does. He’s actually a sub-average 3PT shooter. He also gives you crappy rebounding & crappier defense, which is NOT what you want from your 6’11″ PF. A guy whose strength is sub-average doesn’t fix that problem, especially when his weaknesses make the other problems worse.

  • Jul 1, 20131:51 pm
    by Black_Magic

    Reply

    No Jacob, that makes too much sense. No way everyone would go with that
     

  • Jul 1, 20132:41 pm
    by frankie d

    Reply

    “My expectation is that the Hawks won’t re-sign him. Neither general manager Danny Ferry nor coach Mike Budenholzer has stated this publicly but I don’t think he fits the type of player they’re looking to build with. Ferry and Budenholzer came from the San Antonio Spurs, a high-IQ team. Smith, for as great as he can be at times, too often has not been a high-IQ player.”
    http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/jeff-schultz/2013/jul/01/best-guess-hawks-will-let-josh-smith-go/
    that is just the one view of an atlanta columnist, but i’d agree with it.
    i also am troubled by the fact that joe d seems to not value BB IQ anymore, as he seems to be collecting players – from  tony mitchell to stuckey to possibly smith, now, and i’d put knight in that category also – who don’t show a high BB IQ.  imho, that is the wrong way to build a winning team.  a team might survive one low BB IQ player, even though that type of player puts a big strain on a team, but putting 3 or 4 players of that sort on the floor will only lead to disaster. 
     

  • Jul 1, 20132:56 pm
    by Max

    Reply

    For everyone saying you cant’s have three players in the starting lineup who can’t shoot threes the 96 Bulls managed to win 72 games under that arrangement.  

    • Jul 1, 20133:01 pm
      by G

      Reply

      Yeah. Didn’t they have… that one guy… what’s his name? The best player on the planet? Murderously competitive? Hang on, it’ll come to me…

    • Jul 1, 20133:07 pm
      by G

      Reply

      …AND they did it in ’96, not 2013. The way defenses are designed now, floor spacing & 3PT shooting are more important than they ever were. And, even with all that, it’s still not entirely true. The 3 players that led that team in minutes were Jordan (.427 3PT% on 260 shots), Pippen (.374 3PT% on 401 attempts) and Kukoc (.403 3PT% on 216 shots).

      • Jul 1, 20133:29 pm
        by Jon

        Reply

        yeah those shooting numbers look really good actually. not really bad

        • Jul 1, 20133:32 pm
          by G

          Reply

          Harper started at PG & shot poorly, but he didn’t get a ton of minutes. Kerr played more coming off the bench & shot .515 3PT%.

          • Jul 1, 20134:02 pm
            by Max

            Harper actually played .2 more minutes a game than Kerr.  

          • Jul 1, 20134:32 pm
            by G

            Kerr played more total minute, and what the fuck is 0.2 minutes anyway? 12 seconds? Doesn’t change the fact that the 3 guys that played the most all shot over .370, they had the best player in the world on their team, and defenses were different 17 years ago.

        • Jul 1, 20134:07 pm
          by Max

          Reply

          I didn’t say the shooters they had were bad.  I said they started Rodman, Longley and Harper and that those three starters couldn’t shoot 3s.   

          • Jul 1, 20134:34 pm
            by G

            They had more 3PT shooters than the Pistons will, and (I know I keep bringing this up, but it’s the biggest flaw in your argument) the Bulls had MICHAEL JORDAN.

      • Jul 1, 20134:04 pm
        by Max

        Reply

        Also, Kukoc was 5th on the team in minutes.   Jordan, Pippen, Rodman and Longley all played more.  

        • Jul 1, 20134:44 pm
          by G

          Reply

          Kukoc – 2103 minutes, Rodman – 2088 minutes, Longley – 1641 minutes

          Longley had more per game (barely), as did Rodman, but Kukoc still averaged more than Harper even though he wasn’t starting & Harper was. 

          • Jul 1, 20135:38 pm
            by Max

            I was going by minutes per game and you are going by total minutes.

          • Jul 2, 201311:03 am
            by G

            Yes. Kukoc still averaged more minutes than the starter Harper did. And you haven’t addressed the other holes in your argument (Jordan, different eras).

          • Jul 2, 20131:28 pm
            by Max

            I don’t see any holes in my argument.   I was combating the frequent premise on these boards that a team is required to have three outside shooters in their starting lineup.  Kukoc averaged the fifth most minutes on that squad but he didn’t start so he doesn’t count.   Jordan or any player, no matter how good, is still just one player in the equation.  Pippen is the other outside shooter.   They only had two starting shooters and their spacing was obviously good enough.   Memphis is a probably a better argument since they were from last year and were the worst 3 point shooting team in the league.   So the point is that the best record of all time featured such a lineup and that one of the very best teams from last year did so as well.   

    • Jul 1, 20133:35 pm
      by Worm

      Reply

      Well when Michael Jordan gets in a time machine, goes back in time 20 years, then signs with the Pistons, you let me know.

      • Jul 1, 20133:58 pm
        by Max

        Reply

        You guys can say what you want but even though Jordan shot well from 3 point land that year, 3s were never a big part of his game at all and Pippen was at best a streaky 3 point shooter.   That starting lineup didn’t even put up four 3s a game.  Their 3 point shooting came via role players off the bench and there is no reason why the current Pistons can’t start to plug in those holes off the bench after putting together the starting lineup as the chief priority.  

        As for it being 2013, the Memphis Grizzlies were the worst 3 point shooting team in the league last year and made the conference finals.   3s and spacing are not as important as you guys are saying.   Teams win by playing to their own strengths,  not by conforming to some hypothetical ideal that doesn’t take their foundational pieces into account.    There would be nothing wrong with the Pistons going all in on DE-FENCE and trying to hold teams under 90 or even 80 like the 2004 group did.   I’ve said it before but I like the Pistons best when they are winning ugly.   

        • Jul 1, 20134:56 pm
          by G

          Reply

          I don’t know where you get your “facts”, Pippen himself averaged over 5 threes a game (Jordan over 3, and then Kerr & Kukoc just under 3).

          I don’t understand how you can point to a SPECIFIC season for a team, say they succeeded in spite of poor 3PT shooting, be proven wrong, and then make the case that “well, Jordan & Pippen had good years” like it justifies your argument.

          Memphis’ 3PT shooting was viewed as a primary weakness and a big reason they were swept by the Spurs. Also, they weren’t a particularly GOOD offensive team. You can point to outliers all you want, the league is HEAVILY trending towards 3PT shooting and floor spacing, and the number of offenses that eschew it are dwindling.

          • Jul 1, 20135:32 pm
            by Max

            I was going by made 3s and you are going by attempts.    Kerr and Kukoc didn’t start so they don’t count.  
            I didn’t say their team had poor 3 point shooting.  I said their starting lineup only had 2 players who could capably shoot the 3.  

            To just dismiss Memphis because they don’t conform to some kind of league trend or norm is pretty silly and I wasn’t arguing that Memphis was a good offensive team anyway.   They won because of defense and rebounding.  My point is that there isn’t just one roadmap to success in the league and that the Pistons can sign Smith and win by being a dominant defensive team that destroys everyone else on the boards.    If KPC is as good as advertised, he will be a much better 3 point shooter than anyone on Memphis to boot.   

          • Jul 2, 201311:11 am
            by G

            Out of these many road maps to success, which do you think the Pistons should chose? They’ve currently got piss-poor D on the perimeter and inside with Monroe, so that’s a long row to hoe. They’ve got poor outside shooting with only Knight & KCP being above average on the entire team (and they play the same position). They don’t have a young stud scorer to build around. What is this team’s identity?

            Since the team’s top 2 talents are Monroe & Drummond, 2 interior players, my suggestion is to beef up their perimeter D and shooting. This seems pretty logical. What’s your suggestion. 

          • Jul 2, 201312:56 pm
            by Max

            My suggestion is to sign Josh Smith and be the best rebounding team in the league (rebounding looks like KCP’s best skill to me) and I’ve said before that I actually think Monroe is a good defensive player if flanked by Drummond and Smith.  Who has a better shot blocking frontline that they would be? 

          • Jul 2, 20131:54 pm
            by G

            Monroe is a weak defender any way you slice it. You can hide him, but that’s about it. Your plan looks good for ending up somewhere between the 8th seed & the 13th pick in the draft. IF they make the playoffs, guarantee first round sweep.

          • Jul 3, 20136:25 am
            by Max

            I don’t agree about Monroe.  He’s one of the better thieves in the league for a big man and one of the best rebounders.   Zach Randolph used to be considered a terrible defender but I always thought with him as I do about Monroe that being a great rebounder makes up for a lot and that being a good team defender is about a 100 times more important than judging whether a guy can check his own man.   Once Randolph was put in a good system people stopped dogging his defense.   Monroe has yet to prove he can be a good team defender but he also hasn’t been part of a good team system with capable players yet.   I don’t think Monroe has to be hidden but rather that he has to be put in a good position to succeed.    So far he has basically been playing out of position and part of an undersized lineup in general where he was by far the biggest player.  Drummond changes all of that even without Smith.      

  • Jul 1, 20133:00 pm
    by Piston fan UK

    Reply

    For all you people who think deng is a better fit than iggy or smith, I thought you’d like to know that he is not 27 years old.  You thought shabazz lied about his age !! It’s common knowledge in UK basketball circles that he is a lot older then you guys think he is. Past his prime. Coming from a UK deng fan!

  • Jul 1, 20133:13 pm
    by tarsier

    Reply

    So if the Pistons do sign Smith, who should Monroe be traded for?

    • Jul 1, 20133:30 pm
      by G

      Reply

      Send him & Jerebko to Minnesota for Kevin Love. Love is still a PF but gives you the perimeter game & lets Smith play inside on offense.

      If I had to, I’d like to ship him out for a PG but can’t think of a good match. Rondo can’t shoot threes, neither can Vasquez, and Washington is NOT getting rid of Wall. Maybe to Denver for Wilson Chandler & Andre Miller?

      • Jul 1, 20134:37 pm
        by Filo Putz

        Reply

        More of the same from you. Are you having fun? Monroe and Jerebko for Kevin Love? Where  doe a thought like that come from.  I guess the same place as Knight and Singler for Teague

        • Jul 1, 20134:56 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          The reason Pistons fans talk about a Kevin Love trade is because it is well known that Love is more likely to be available than most players of his caliber. Management isn’t in love with him and he really doesn’t seem to like them. And if they have to deal him, they are unlikely to get a significantly better return than Monroe.

        • Jul 1, 20135:06 pm
          by G

          Reply

          Any bright fucking ideas from you? I haven’t heard one yet.

          Trade machine is down, but that one could work & it gives Minnesota something for Love before he jets in 2015 (which he will). Detroit does an extend & trade with Monroe, giving them 4(ish) years of double-double fun with Monroe, along with Jerebko – who’s a better version of Derrick Williams.

          • Jul 1, 20135:37 pm
            by Filo Putz

            Such descriptive language. Wouldn’t expect anything less from you. You want to get the most bang for your buck then you sign smith. Then sign another point guard (your favorite position on the floor. This trade Monroe talk is just one in a long  string of ridiculous ideas from you. Why would they sign Smith then trade Monroe. The logic of this could only come from someone who has no clue. They’d make a major commitment to a guy whose’ biggest complaint with his current organization is that he doesn’t like to play the 4. Then what you would do is sign him and trade Monroe forcing him back into the position. Too Funny.

          • Jul 1, 201311:12 pm
            by tarsier

            When has Smith complained that he doesn’t want to play the 4? And more to the point, why would anyone want him if he wasn’t playing the 4?

            Smith is not really cut out to play any other position. yeah, he can take spot minutes at the 3 or even, depending on the opponent, at the 5. But he is a 4. That is why the idea of trading Monroe came up in the first place. 

      • Jul 1, 20134:58 pm
        by tarsier

        Reply

        Love would be the pipe dream of course. But assuming that wasn’t an option, because it most likely won’t be (although it’s more likely than any other player of that caliber), then who?

        There just aren’t a ton of great trade fits. 

        • Jul 1, 20135:07 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          I’d explore Monroe for Porter or Gallinari.

        • Jul 1, 20135:09 pm
          by Filo Putz

          Reply

          Then what was the point of the previous post.. To say that Minnesota doesn’t love Love is not true. I’ve read statements from them that he is untouchable Love is considered far and away the best player at a hard to fill position..

          • Jul 1, 201311:15 pm
            by tarsier

            There are some such statements. There have been such statements about countless players right before they were traded. It is hardly new speculation that the current GM isn’t thrilled with Love in part because he didn’t acquire him. And we know they didn’t offer Love their max contract. And we know that Love has made his displeasure with the organization known.

            So yes, Love is a good potential trade target. But, assuming that didn’t work out, I am wondering if people have any other decent ideas. 

    • Jul 1, 20133:35 pm
      by Jon

      Reply

      rondo doesn’t bring enough shooting. aldridge would be redundant. bledsoe and some picks maybe but LA doesn’t need that unless they trade griffin for dwight. kawhi leonard and a pick for when duncan retires maybe. none of them brings back monroe’s value. maybe they could convince indiana they need another 4 for granger

      • Jul 1, 20133:48 pm
        by Ryan

        Reply

        Kawhi’s the best match if San Antonio would do it (even if it would turn into a multi-player deal)… unless Minnesota’s willing to part with Kevin Love.

    • Jul 1, 20133:43 pm
      by Worm

      Reply

      Although I’d be pissed if the ‘stones traded Monroe, I’d be ok with Leonard and maybe a sign-and-trade of Gary Neal. Sign a middle of the pack PG in free agency like Jack or Collison and you’ve got yourself a pretty solid team.

      • Jul 1, 20133:50 pm
        by Ryan

        Reply

        If anything, San Antonio would likely ask for more. But if that gets us a starting 3 for the next 15 years, it might be worth it, especially if they see something in Jerebko or Singler.

        • Jul 1, 20133:55 pm
          by Worm

          Reply

          I actually think Monroe for Leonard straight up is relatively fair, though 1 for 1 trades rarely happen. Singler and Jerebko would become very dispensable in this hypothetical scenario so I wouldn’t be too sad to see either of them go out in a trade. Especially Jerebko since it cuts more cap to sign ancillary players.
           

  • Jul 1, 20133:43 pm
    by Jeremy J.

    Reply

    I would like to get Smith. I just don’t want to pay max money or anything close to it for a player that has never made an All-Star team

    • Jul 1, 20133:47 pm
      by Worm

      Reply

      I’d be okay with like 4 years 40-44 mil, but I know he wouldn’t.

      • Jul 1, 20133:53 pm
        by G

        Reply

        Heard a rumor about a $12M/yr offer from Detroit that turned out to not be true. As much as I hate the fit, I’d be ok with Smith at that price. This is a team that needs to tinker, and if they can get Smith for $12M a year, they can move pieces around until they fit.

        Not that I think they can get him for $12M/yr. 

        • Jul 1, 20133:56 pm
          by Worm

          Reply

          Nail, meet Head.

          • Jul 1, 20133:57 pm
            by Worm

            Hammer*

        • Jul 1, 20134:39 pm
          by Filo Putz

          Reply

          Who did you here that from? It sounds really credible

          • Jul 1, 20135:12 pm
            by G

            Here it is (personal attack removed). It wasn’t actually an offer but the amount of cap room the Pistons have available at the moment. Any more, or are you done for the day?

          • Jul 1, 20135:51 pm
            by Filo Putz

            Hey thanks for sharing that I enjoy reading meaningless crap… Josh Smith for 12 million.. (personal attack removed). He made more than that last year. but keep it up. Keep citing your experts media sources. Like all the guys who had you believing  that the Pistons would take Trey Burke.. 

          • Jul 1, 201311:18 pm
            by tarsier

            Since when is there a rule that a guy can’t make less than the previous season. Most big names do when they start new contracts because contracts tend to have built in raises. So a $10M/yr contract, for instance, usually starts below $10M and ends up significantly higher in the last season.

        • Jul 1, 20134:43 pm
          by Filo Putz

          Reply

          Hey maybe when Dumars was down in Atlanta he offered 5 million a year to Teague. Ask your source if he knows anything.

          • Jul 1, 20135:10 pm
            by G

            You are an asshole dude.

          • Jul 1, 20135:43 pm
            by Filo Putz

            Right back at ya Chief

          • Jul 1, 201311:30 pm
            by Desolation Row

            Talk about an inferiority complex. 

            G is one of the top commenters on this blog. I don’t know where you came from dude, but don’t walk in and act like you’ve got all the answers or a shred of credibility, putting long-time commenters with valuable insight down. Add something to the dialogue, don’t just rip on people with ideas that are different from yours. It contributes literally nothing to the dialogue. 

  • Jul 1, 20135:57 pm
    by Filo Putz

    Reply

    Hey smart guy,,,You think it was credible information that you shared with us, that Dumars went to Josh Smith’s door Sunday at Midnight and offered him a PAY CUT?>?

    • Jul 1, 201311:25 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      He is most likely going to get a pay cut. The question is which team he gets it from. Unless someone honestly thinks he is worth more than $14M/yr (or I suppose if they think he is worth more than $13.2M annually and build a contract without any raises).

  • Jul 1, 20136:00 pm
    by Max

    Reply

    @G   You keep saying the Pistons have too many holes to sign Smith instead of a combination of scrubs–I know you must not think the combination of players is scrubs.   Doesn’t Smith address multiple holes though?

    If Smith is signed, he won’t just be the starting small forward but the backup power forward where I think he would actually spend more time.   Neither Drummond or Monroe have proven they can handle a ton of minutes and there is no reason Smith can’t play the power forward with both of them whenever one or the other is off the floor.    

    So my plan would be to sign Smith, resign Calderon and add one of the scrubs as a backup wing–Singler can backup both wing positions too.   Doesn’t that plan address all of the holes you’ve laid out?   

    • Jul 2, 20138:21 am
      by G

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      I don’t like the idea of signing Smith as the team is currently constructed. I agree with tarsier, if Smith is the target, then the team should explore the possibility of trading Monroe. I think Smith would be fine defending both the SF & the PF positions, but the offense would be stagnant & painful to watch.

      The problem with last year’s offense was there weren’t enough shooters. They drafted KCP, which puts a shooter at the SG position, where Knight would play. That’s basically a zero sum equation offensively. We don’t know who’s playing PG yet, but if Smith is at the 3, your starting lineup has either Knight or KCP at SG, hopefully a PG with a j, and 3 guys who do their work around the basket. It would be a mess. The best version of that scenario would be if Monroe magically added a mid-range jumper to his offensive toolkit. Even then it would still be a VERY congested offense.

      The defense would be slightly better, but not by much. KCP is hardly a stopper yet, and will probably take a couple years to really get there. If Detroit re-signs Calderon, they’d have 2 shooters on the floor most of the game, but still pretty weak perimeter defense. Smith would make them a LITTLE better than last year, but I doubt they would make the playoffs. Not without significant improvements in the younger players.

      • Jul 2, 20131:10 pm
        by Max

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        I can’t agree that the defense would be only slightly better.   I’ve thrown this out several times but no one has answered these questions.   Who has a better third shot blocker in their frontline than Monroe?  Who has a better third best rebounder in their lineup than Smith?    Personally, I always thought Billups and Hamilton were way overrated on defense and benefited immensely from having one of the only frontlines in NBA history with three shot blockers behind them.   When a guard’s job on defense is just to chase shooters off of their shots and actually allow players to drive by them to funnel them to the shot blockers, defending perimeter players becomes pretty easy for nearly any player.   

        As for the playoffs thing, I might be jumping the gun, but I think you are way underestimating Drummond if you don’t think they would extremely improved by adding Smith.   Personally, I look for Drummond to be at least one of the 5-10 best centers in the league next season if not better.  If he makes any improvement next year and lives up to his per 36 numbers he will be in the top 3 centers.  Again, I’m sure some will say I’m looking for too much but I fully expect him to be a superstar and the obvious best player on the team whether Smith signs or not.   Also, I’m of the opinion that the Pistons might have made the playoffs last season if they had simply started Drummond out of the gate.  The other factor is that Monroe has basically played out of position his entire career and I think he will be much improved on both sides once he gets to start at the four.  

        You are right about offensive congestion but I am still of the opinion that it is possible to be a dominant team in the league while playing an ugly offense because the defense and rebounding is just that good.   

      • Jul 2, 20131:33 pm
        by Max

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        @G….Also, whether you think I’m way off on Drummond or not, you never addressed the notion that Smith could play the majority of his minutes at power forward even though he would start at small forward.   What if Smith played 12 minutes at small forward and 24 at power forward?   Singler can shoot 3s and the team could still sign another wing.   Also, the team I detailed included the resigning of Calderon so the starters would be Calerdon, KCP, Smith, Monroe and Drummond with Knight and Singler off the bench which gives the team four 3 point shooters at least even though my premise included signing another low priced shooter to give the Pistons five 3 point shooters.  

        • Jul 2, 20131:38 pm
          by Max

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          Frontline minutes:

          Center:  Drummond 36 minutes, Monroe 12 minutes
          PF:        Monroe 24 minutes, Smith 24 minutes
          SF:        Smith 12 minutes, Singler and others 36 minutes   

          • Jul 2, 20131:48 pm
            by Max

             I’d also like to add that no frontline in the league would average more steals than Drummond, Monroe and Smith.   KCP looks like a great steals guy too and I’m more confident he will contribute as a defender and rebounder than he will offensively in his first year.  

          • Jul 2, 20131:57 pm
            by G

            You realize less than 12 minutes a game would feature all three players of that monsterous front line you’re imagining?

          • Jul 2, 20132:08 pm
            by G

            Singler is currently an average 3PT shooter at best. Don’t mistake KCP’s D for Oladipo’s either. At the moment he’s Oladipo-lite, and I expect it’ll take a year or 2 before he’s a GOOD NBA defender. Most of the bonuses you get with Smith’s D is when he’s at the PF spot, meaning either Monroe or Drummond is out and you’ve got Singler (good for the Pistons but a barely adequate defender on most other teams) at the 3, and you’ve still got Calderon at the PG.

            You’ve also left zero minutes for anyone else at PF, which means Mitchell never plays. I realize that mathmatically you can play all 3 guys 36 minutes while shifting positions around, but it never actually works that way. The defense would be better than last year’s, but I don’t think it would be better than league average, and the offense would struggle to get points. 

          • Jul 3, 20136:17 am
            by Max

            Well, I was giving them all 36 minutes to keep things simple but wouldn’t actually expect Monroe or Drummond to play 36 minutes a night anyway.   And I’m not worried about playing Mitchell.   Who said anything about Oladipo?   And you barely addressed any of my points about why the team would be great defensively and just said you don’t think they will be.    Basically answer me this: why couldn’t a frontline of Drummond, Smith and Monroe lead all of the the league’s frontlines or come close in rebounding, block shots and steals?

  • Jul 1, 20136:13 pm
    by Filo Putz

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    This is addressed to the know it all,but after reading his past post, his answer would obviously be NO. He would prefer to spend the CAP space on 3 backup quality players.

    • Jul 1, 20136:22 pm
      by Max

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      I’d still like to see how he answers and fellas; enough with the name calling.    I agree with you though Filo.  It seems to me like G wants to sign 2 or 3 players that will never be better than backups or the kind of players several teams discover out of nowhere every year and make league minimum.    Other than Teague, I’m not sure if anyone G has suggested signing will be better than Chris Copeland was last year.   Personally, I’d rather roll the dice on total unknowns than sign players who will never be better than mediocre because unknowns have potential.   

      • Jul 1, 20136:27 pm
        by Filo Putz

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        Teague is a pipe dream.. His situation is totally different then what happened with New York and Lin. You can front load the hell out of an offer to him and Atlanta will match.

        • Jul 1, 201311:27 pm
          by tarsier

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          That’s fine. He is worth making an offer to. If Atlanta matches, nothing lost.

  • Jul 1, 20137:53 pm
    by Detroit P

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    People forget we had Jerry a young really good sg who was young.  We traded him for rip.  i love Greg but wouldn’t be shocked if we traded him.  Maybe for a good three or two?  Whatever it is trading good players for good players isn’t unheard of.  And I know this post is written terrible doing it on my iPhone 

  • Jul 2, 201312:09 am
    by jacob

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    I just hope something happens soon so you guys will stop being so mean! haha

  • Jul 2, 20139:35 am
    by acr

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    Wow, it was nice to get off of an international red eye flight to a ton of Pistons FA news!  I’m just catching up, but I agree with others that Smith would be good at the right price.  He is a talented, young veteran who contributes on both sides of the ball – and the thing that we are missing most is talented players.  Were he to sign for less than the max money, there would definitely need to be another move or two to be made for shooters.  Someone above made an important comment (@Scott I think)- we really don’t know what other conversations Dumars has had with regards to trades – maybe he does have a few things in place to trade for a PG or SG were he to sign Smith.  At any rate, I’m just excited to see some roster turnover and the chance to add some talent to this team.

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