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Joe Dumars satisfied with Pistons’ roster

Joe Dumars, via Vincent Goodwill of The Detroit News:

“We’re still open to doing things,” Dumars said. “I’m not sure how much more. I feel good about where we are.”

Of course, Dumars is still open to making a trade, but we know how this process typically ends. “We weren’t going to make a trade for the sake of making a trade,” Dumars will say. And that’s fine. He shouldn’t make a trade for the sake of making a trade.

But that leaves this roster – likely with Peyton Siva’s potential contract dropped or deferred – for Dumars in what very well could be his last season if the Pistons miss the playoffs. Should he feel good about where he is?

In Josh Smith, Dumars got the available free agent who is most capable of helping the Pistons reach the playoffs next season. Even if Smith isn’t a perfect fit – and there are ways to work around thathis talent is so far ahead of the best well-fitting free agent, Smith still projects to make a bigger impact for Detroit.

The rest of the offseason was OK, as judged through the lens of getting the Pistons into the playoffs next season. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope can fill a role as a 3-and-D player, but it’s probably too early to ask for much more. Chauncey Billups is great for sentimental reasons, though he hasn’t played much, let alone played well, lately, and that problem rarely gets better for players his age. A re-signed Will Bynum is far enough down the bench that he’ll probably play his way up into a marginal role. Luigi Datome is intriguing, but credible comparisons to Austin Daye are hardly reassuring. Tony Mitchell is raw, and maybe if plays with sustained energy, he will carve out a role this season. He’s still more of a future investment at this point.

So, is this a playoff team? The Pistons have certainly put themselves in the mix, which is progress. I’d feel a lot better if they had added a point guard who was guaranteed to play better than Brandon Knight has the last two seasons, though an improved Knight, a healthy Billups, a hot Bynum or a contract-year Rodney Stuckey would do the trick. The Pistons have several players who could be a quality starting point guard next season, none of whom can be counted on to do it.

I’m not ready to make a playoff prediction one way or the other, but if I were Dumars and my job were on the line, I would be hopeful – though not quite confident – this roster can save me.

And I’d be on the phone looking for a point guard.

71 Comments

  • Jul 19, 201310:27 am
    by Rich

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    I wonder who it was that has Datome at replacement level.

    One of the Wages of Wins guys has him at solidly above average.

    http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2013/7/9/4508888/NBA-free-agents-free-agency-2013-detroit-pistons-sign-Luigi-Datome-stats 

  • Jul 19, 201310:29 am
    by John

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    Dan, I’ve heard Chauncey say he expects to start, so why go look for a PG when Chauncey can do what we need him to?

    • Jul 19, 201310:52 am
      by jerrific

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      Just because Chauncey thinks he’s capable of starting at pg, doesn’t mean he is.  At this point in his career,  he’s proven himself at MOST as effective as either Brandon Knight or Will Bynum, and I’d call that a stretch. I love Chauncey,  he was my second favorite 04 Piston behind Big Ben, but if Joe signed him thinking he could solve all our pg problems we might as well start looking for a new gm now.  

    • Jul 19, 201311:17 am
      by Mark

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      I don’t think Billups is the answer on the floor.  His last few years he’s only averaged just over 20 games played.  I plan on him being injured most of the season but he could definitely help mentor all the young players n the squad

    • Jul 19, 201311:51 am
      by Ryan

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      Ask again when his legs give out in November. He’s an extra assistant coach.

    • Jul 19, 201311:56 am
      by Crispus

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      He might just start and play low minutes, like whoever plays in front of JR Smith.

  • Jul 19, 201310:38 am
    by Big G

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    I love Monroe, and I realize he was the first good player to come to Detroit and give it all he had. But at this point if we’re trying to build a defensive and athletic identity as a team with KCP Smith and Drummond, he just doesn’t fit anymore.

    And you can argue that Smith Monroe and Drummond won’t be on the floor enough for spacing issues to matter enough, but they will still be on the floor together at the very beginning and end of games. Who of those three are you going to ask to sit for the last 5-7 mins of a game?

    Monroe is still a valuble trading piece before he gets a bloated contract. I would argue for trading him for an upgrade at the 1,2, or 3 positions. We’re decent at both those positions, but not solid the way we are at the 4 or 5. I wouldn’t mind even trading for a slightly worse player (but a better fit in terms of their three point shooting) and securing one or two first rounders. Ryan anderson or west matthews and first rounder? Or lilliard and we throw in a first rounder, although portland wouldn’t let go of ROY

    • Jul 19, 201310:56 am
      by jerrific

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      The more I think about it the more I like the idea of trading Monroe. But, that’s only if the Pistons get a player who projects to be part of the core into the future, as opposed to the win-now type of asset that the 27 year old Smith clearly is. 

      • Jul 19, 20131:21 pm
        by Otis

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        I won’t fight you too much, because you’re warm to the idea of trading Monroe, which I believe is the best path for the team right now. That said:
         
        The team doesn’t necessarily need some young, under-control asset for trading Monroe to make sense. Let’s say, for instance, that Dumars traded Monroe and Knight for Rondo and Green. Neither one of those guys is a spring chicken, but if Rondo was healthy I could see this making the Pistons a genuinely dangerous team. And once you have a team that’s legitimately good, it’s up to the strength of your management to keep it that way and continue making moves to win now or win later.
         
        The myth of the good young team has been clouding the judgment of fans for the last few years. So many people acted like nobody was worth bringing here if they were over 21, but that’s not how NBA teams are built, and it’s not like you’re guaranteed that these guys are all going to stay here and grow into something special. And even if that does happen, your good young players are going to need FAT contracts after their rookie deals. Greg Monroe was a lot of fun when he was “a good young player on a cheap long-term contract” but that time is almost up. If he’s on the roster next year, he’s our highest paid player. And like Big G said above, he doesn’t really fit what it looks like this team is doing.
         
        There’s no reason this team should necessarily be a “young” team. If Chauncey has anything left in the tank and KFC pans out and Dumars can get a great player who’s a good fit on the perimeter, we might just have a pretty darn good team. And that sounds much better to me than a team of young players that has promise but may never actually pan out.

        • Jul 19, 20132:27 pm
          by Jerrific

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          The thing is, you have to look at the current landscape of the NBA, where your core players are at, and plan a championship window accordingly. By no means should the Pistons fail to trade Monroe for an older guy if they really think they can contend. But honestly, can you see a Smith/Drummond/Rondo core really beating out the top contenders like Miami, Houston, and OKC? By the time Drummond develops enough to be a truly dominant force, the other two will be at the tail-end, or possibly well past, the prime of their careers.

          Maybe such a core could pull off a title, but the Pistons would be better served collecting young assets that will reach their primes after a player like Lebron is done bringing in championships left and right. Drummond is a great player with loads of potential, but he’s not even close to his prime. Getting players that are younger and can grow into their game alongside him would benefit us both by allowing us to stay flexible now, and can grow and develop chemistry together over time.

          There’s no specific age requirement or anything like that, but you have to admit it would be incredibly risky to trade a young, talented player who hasn’t even entered his prime (Monroe), for a slightly more talented player who is in the middle of it (Rondo), and is just coming off a major injury. 

          All of that being said, a Drummond/Smith/Rondo core would be the beginnings of a GREAT defensive team, and I can understand if someone thinks it has championship potential.

          • Jul 19, 20134:42 pm
            by James

            Well said Jerrific.  You hit the nail on the head about building the young core around Drummond and probably Monroe so that by the time they hit their primes the team is ready to compete for championships.  I don’t want to win 5 more games this year if it hurts our ability to win championships down the line.  Before even considering trading Monroe we need to give the front line of Smith, Monroe and Drummond a season of work together.  It’s a line-up that brings a lot of question marks (mostly offensively) but also a ton of intruige (mostly defensively). 

          • Jul 19, 20135:22 pm
            by Who Is Us

            The biggest problem that everyone who is in love with trading for Romeo seems to want to gloss over and apparently assumes that the magic fairy dust of playing in Detroit will fix is the fact that RONDO CAN’T SHOOT, like at all!! He doesn’t even make 1/4 of his 3pt attempts, he shoots an pathetic 62% from the free throw line, and while his overall FG percentage is high he depends on layups to keep it that way and a Drummond/Smith front court doesn’t provide a whole lot of space for those. He would need to vastly improve his 15 jumper.

            To put it in perspective, the only Piston regulars for this season that Rondo out shot at the FT line would be Charlie V and Drummond and that is only based on last year as Charlie V is a career 77.8% FT shooter. When your primary ball handler is your 2nd biggest FT liability that is not a good late game situation, especially since he is only making slightly more than 1 of ever 2 he puts up.

            Further perspective. Rodney Stuckey who everyone here will agree is a laughable 3pt threat threat, last season shot 6% better than Rondo. That is about 1 more make in ever 20 attempts but it is a significant difference. Knight shots it at a 13% better clip Singled at 11% and Charlie V at 10.5%. The only Pistons PistonsRondo would be out shooting from 3pt range would be Monroe and Kavtsov and only because they have never attempted a career 3pt shot.

            Rondo isn’t a good fit for the Pistons because of his age, contract, and inability to shoot. The Pistons would be much better served to pursue a player like Kyle Lowrey, Eric Bledsoe, Goran Dragic, Kendall Marshall, or Ty Lawson. They are all significantly better shooters, younger, and on better contracts than Rondo, and best of all might be had at some point for a package of Knight, a 1st Rd Pick, and cap space depending on where their teams are at the trade deadline. To me the best option is to wait it out and see if Knight improves; wait until the deadline to deal for anyone since that is when expiring contracts have the most value and players have their lowest value.

          • Jul 19, 20136:44 pm
            by jeff m

            Why trade for Rondo’s crappy shooting, when you already got a guy that might be comparable down the road in Siva.

          • Jul 20, 20132:05 pm
            by G

            @ jeff – You think Siva will turn into Rondo? That’s… REALLY optimistic. The fact is, there really isn’t a move the Pistons can make at this point that could make them any more than a 6-8 seed in the playoffs. They’re probably better off holding out for a mid-season trade or FA next year, maybe making a 8 or 7 seed this year.

        • Jul 19, 20138:08 pm
          by Otis

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          Yes and no, Jerrific. In a perfect world, the stars align, your best players all peak at the same time, and you win 5…6…7 championships. But I don’t think you can build like that anymore. Also, I don’t think you can build your team with the attitude that there are teams you’ll have to get through so you pass up opportunities to improve your team in places where you could. As a matter of fact, the new CBA doesn’t really seem to favor keeping the same team in place for years and years and years. You can’t lock up a guy for seven years anymore, and if he’s not your own player the most you can offer is four. So you’re going to have to hope for some spooky magic to happen if you’re going to be able to pinpoint these peaks and line everything up just right.
           
          I do understand that there is a gap between the haves and have nots, and I think that a team needs to either be getting better NOW or sell off assets and get worse now in exchange for future assets (one of the reasons the last four years have sucked so bad is because we did neither). And the Pistons are finally on the upswing, so no I emphatically don’t want to wait until Drummond is like 25 or something to start thinking about winning. Sports are a continuum. If the GM knows what he’s doing (a very big IF in this town) he should be able to roll over assets and continue winning with different faces. The Spurs are a great example of this.
           
          You should also consider that I just plain think Monroe and Drummond are NOT a good fit and make each other (and the team) worse when you play them together. And that isn’t going to change unless he develops a reliable midrange jumper. Even then, I’d like to turn some of our big man depth into perimeter help, since we have the biggest front line around (probably a little too big) yet don’t have a single above average perimeter player.
           
          Do I think a core of Rondo, Smith and Drummond are going to blow past the Heat, Spurs, whoever and win a championship right away? Not necessarily. But I think they at least have a chance. I don’t think you’re looking at some five extra wins. I think you’re looking at a legitimate foundation, and if even a few of your role players work out, why couldn’t you be one of the best teams around? Maybe next season Detroit takes a big leap and attracts another free agent who tightens things up. You never know. But this team has already pretty much gone all-in, so I’d like to see them put pieces in place that FIT and make us better.

    • Jul 19, 201312:31 pm
      by T Casey

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      I know there’s legit reason for concern as to how well our frontline will work together, but we should at least wait until they play some games together before declaring what pieces do and don’t fit.  The last thing you want to do is act prematurely and end up giving up the wrong piece.

      • Jul 19, 20131:37 pm
        by Otis

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        I don’t have the slightest concern that Monroe is the wrong piece to give up, for what it’s worth. His upside is at center, he’s a defensive liability, and he’s the kind of offensive player who only dominates bad defenses (but he’s pretty easy for good teams to game plan against). Plus after this season, he’s set to be our highest paid player. I genuinely believe he’s the kind of player you’d want to have in training camp if he’s going to be on your roster, so trading him mid-season could limit our options.
         
        Yes, having the ability to go big like that is a somewhat intriguing luxury, but I think most of the time you’re better off rotating them at the 4-5. I don’t see it being effective very often at all, and meanwhile you don’t have a single above average player on the perimeter. Not one. I don’t think it would be difficult in the least to trade Monroe for an athletic, defensive, dynamic perimeter player who makes the team better. If you’re implying that Smith or Drummond should be the one to trade, I couldn’t disagree more.

        • Jul 19, 20132:32 pm
          by Jerrific

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          Agreed, Monroe is the odd man out. As much as I love him for giving this franchise a glimmer of hope when times were truly bad, he’s your typical Al Jefferson type player in terms of impact. Negative impact on defense, good enough on offense to be intriguing, but never truly dominant. He’s great on the rookie scale, but scary next year considering Joe’s history of handing out bad contracts/extensions.

        • Jul 19, 20134:53 pm
          by Huddy

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          Its easy to game plan for Monroe when he is standing next to Jason Maxiell and Kyle Singler in the front court.  When has he ever played and not been the 1st and 2nd and sometimes 3rd option on offense?  I’m not saying he is amazing, but I think it makes a difference to play with guys that actually require a gameplan from the other team as well.  If his mid range improves it changes everything as well.  Working with Josh Smith would be much more effective as long as they both can hit an elbow jumper. 
           
          Depending on how much Josh Smith dominates the ball this year, Monroe might not command as high of a contract as people act like.  KCP and Knight have the opportunity to show they are good perimeter pieces and if one or both don’t the team still has the ability to make another signing or trade to improve the perimeter.

          • Jul 19, 20138:16 pm
            by Otis

            But Huddy, “as long as they can both hit an elbow jumper” is basically asking for the world. If Monroe can reliably hit that jumper, sure, give them a good long look. But he hasn’t done it in three seasons, or really improved all that much over that time. And Smith has been a poor shooter for, what, eight seasons now?
             
            And please please please give up any hope that Monroe will get anything other than a max contract. He will get a max contract. Nobody who’s paying attention disagrees with that. He’s not giving anybody a hometown discount, and someone with his size and skills is going to get a max contract from somebody. If we can all agree on the impossible deluded dream scenarios, then we can start intelligently discussing what the team should go. I say this because assuming Monroe is guaranteed a max four year contract (which he is) it sounds like a lot of his fans would rather see him go. Let’s just accept reality that a young 17, 9 & 4 center will fetch the max on the open market. Then we can see what people would do in a realistic scenario.
             
            There’s a fair contingent who say: “No matter what, you gotta keep Monroe. He should be untouchable. I wouldn’t give him max dollars, but we gotta keep him.” These people have no idea how black-and-white his status is, and I’d rather hear their opinions when faced with reality. He’s getting that max contract. Would you rather he gets it from us, or from somebody who gave us an asset for him?

          • Jul 20, 201311:25 am
            by Huddy

            The elbow jumper thing is just in addition to the different possibilities having the front line gives us…not something I think is the difference between success and failure for the team.  It should also be noted that Smith doesn’t take many of those shots and we are talking about being able to hit a wide open elbow jumper if defense is collapsing, which is far different than asking players that usually command most of the attention of the defense to themselves to shoot while covered.  Again I don’t think that is the make or break.
             
            I am not a hold on to Monroe at all costs person, but I think most pro trade commentors are under the impression that their are a lot of better fitting players that are readily available to trade with the Pistons.  I don’t see how someone can find a player so limited and unimpressive and then out of the other side of their mouth say that they could easily be exchanged for one or more truly impactful better fitting players.  If Greg Monroe is just another Al Jefferson who isn’t worth the money and Charlotte’s signing of Al Jefferson is widely considered either a terrible move or one that is only good because it means they will stay in the lottery…why is it that Monroe is expected to net the Pistons the final piece to the playoff puzzle?
             
            I think the Pistons have a chance to be different and do some things other teams aren’t doing.   They have a player in Smith that is as good as any other option at guarding the top players in the league like Lebron and Melo.  No body guards them well, but our team has someone who can do the best possible.  The Pistons have the ability to have a starting level front court pretty much the entire game, something that really isn’t common around the league.  The team should also out rebound pretty much anyone.  On defense the Pistons should really be able to make it hard on everyone.  I understand Monroe isn’t a great defender, but the combination of Smith and Drummond in the front court with Knight’s solid guard defense and KCP (who appears to be another solid defender with great size) the team should be good.  The 2004 Pistons didn’t have 5 DPOY candidates, this year’s team will have 2 very good defenders, 2 solid defenders, and a bad one….that is better than most of the league can say.
             
            It might take one or two more pieces to really be complete, but I think that move will come after the team has at least half the season to assess Knight’s ability going forward, see how KCP translates in the league, and find out how useful the front line rotation can be.

          • Jul 24, 201310:06 am
            by MIKEYDE248

            I’m a big fan of holding on to Monroe.  He is part of the future.  If they get rid of him, it had better be for a superstar…not Rondo.  If they get rid of him, it’s like trading Josh Smith for Monroe when looking at the team from last year.  Does that make them better?  Not really, but keeping both of them, will make them better.

            Most likely Josh only has a couple of good years left, where Monroe is still only 23 years old and has another 10+ years of being good.

            We don’t even know what Monroe’s ceiling is going to be yet.  He has been the main focus of other teams defense the last few years.  It will be nice to see how he does when he’s not being triple teamed every time he gets the ball.

  • Jul 19, 201310:57 am
    by stuckeyandwhoever

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    Dont know who would be guaranteed to play better than knight for low cost.  What about Reggie Jackson?  6’3 208, still raw but potential.

    • Jul 19, 201311:53 am
      by Ryan

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      Would be great to get him now, but OKC isn’t about to let him go after what they just went through without Westbrook – or before they see what his ceiling is.

    • Jul 19, 20138:29 pm
      by Who Is Us

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      He’s not much of a shooter either. 25% from 3pt. Range.

  • Jul 19, 201311:05 am
    by jerrific

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    If Joe really wants to keep his job,  he probably shouldn’t be happy with this roster. While Smith definitely makes us a better team,  I’m not convinced we’re playoff caliber just yet. We have the talent, but the pieces don’t fit together.  I expect a trade mid season,  hopefully Joe doesn’t make a desperation move that sacrifices our future just to become become a middling playoff team, ie trading Monroe for Rondo. More than anything the Pistons need assets that project into the future. If this team has a championship window, I highly doubt it’s going to be in the next 2-3 seasons. 

    • Jul 19, 201312:04 pm
      by Crispus

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      I think it’s a good roster to start the season. There obviously need to be evaluations of what’s working and what isn’t as things get under way. Teams might be scrambling around the trade deadline to meet the salary cap and that’s when Joe can strike.

      • Jul 19, 201312:34 pm
        by Jerrific

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        Agreed. This roster is okay to begin the season with, as long as more moves are to come later on. I just worry Joe is going to make a short sighted move that sacrifices our future for the now. 

  • Jul 19, 201311:08 am
    by RyanK

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    It surprises me that you continue with the Dumars losing his job posts.  There is no evidence that this was ever going happen.  Media and bloggers created it.  When Gores publicly praises Dumars several times over the last few months, how can you still hold this position?

    Most recently I read Gores statement that Dumars and the management team knocked it out of the park this offseason.   

    • Jul 19, 20131:42 pm
      by Otis

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      Joe was on the last year of his contract, has been the worst GM in the league for most of the last decade, and sacrificed a first round pick in order to have flexibility one year sooner. If Joe struck out in free agency and wasn’t able to significantly improve the team, I see zero percent chance he gets a new contract here. Furthermore, even though Gores (who does not understand basketball) was thrilled with the offseason, if the results don’t show in wins and losses, I still think Joe is a goner.
       
      Before Gores praised the offseason, he didn’t exactly give Dumars a ringing endorsement. If he was totally into Dumars and truly wanted to embolden his GM, he would have given the guy a contract extension by now. But that hasn’t happened yet. Until they announce his newest contract extension, he’s going to be sweating.

      • Jul 19, 20134:09 pm
        by Max

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        It was just three years ago that Dumars was named the best GM of the previous decade.   Your posts are so lacking in substance.   All you ever do is spout wild opinions and say “I feel” and “I think” like you are some authority without providing any real evidence as if your thoughts should be enough.  Not even Bill Simmons is as arrogant.  

        The funniest thing is when you constantly assert that Monroe is a center and can’t play power forward when it’s quite obvious he’s a a much better power forward than he is a center.   I’ll keep asking since you’ve ignored my question before but do you have any memory whatsoever of how Monroe played when Big Ben was lining up at center with him?   

        BTW:  All of you acting like Al Jefferson is a bad player and bad signing for the Bobcats/Hornets are being patently absurd since he has always put up very strong numbers and has never played on a team that should win anything due to his teammates.    Walker, Gordon figures to be by far the best back court he has ever gotten to play with which doesn’t say much for his former back court mates.    

        Also, no one ever put Randolph ahead of Jefferson or acted like he was a real asset until he started playing with Gasol.   Until that point, Randolph would have been treated by a lot of fans like Monroe is being treated in terms of the harping on his bad defense and the things he is not great at.  People used to call Randolph an albatross, saying his contract was the worst in the league, he couldn’t play defense and he was a black hole on offense with a toxic personality that would infect locker rooms.   Most of that proved to be total bullshit.   Monroe is a much better defender when someone else has the main responsibility of the rim and that is why Drummond is a perfect fit for him.  

      • Jul 19, 20135:02 pm
        by Huddy

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        How is what has gone on with the Pistons the last few years worse than Charlotte, Sacramento, Milwaukee.  Milwaukee may be making the playoffs, but it is with a below .500 record, not getting draft position they need to improve, they just alienated their best players and loaded their front court so that their youth won’t get enough PT, and they drafted a guy who won’t be ready to think about the NBA for a couple of years.  This is all not to mention how much easier it is to be a GM for the top ranking teams.  Joe D doesn’t get a pass because he isn’t in LA, but its hard to say how many “good” GMs truly exists when so many teams are aided by current star power and tradition. 

        • Jul 20, 20135:55 pm
          by Who Is Us

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          You forgot Toronto, Phoenix, Washington, Portland and Philidelphia. Also the Knicks were very bad until acquiring Melo. The Clips were a consistent lottery team until they were able to pair CP3 and Blake Griffen. Aside from tanking into LeBron the Cavs have been bad from 1992-93 until LBJ and every year after him. All of these teams have been worse over the last decade than Detroit. So Oats, while you do generally raise some good points, you are dead wrong about Joe D. being the worst GM.

  • Jul 19, 201311:22 am
    by Terrell

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    I really think dumars in on the right track. He is in the driver seat this year. He only has to trade his inspiring contracts if he is offered something he can’t pass (Rondo). With a 28 year old Josh Smith in hand next season with max money and a young Drummond, detroit will look scary. One of the big men has to go! Depending on Drummonds health, Monroe will be traded. If Drummonds health is a liability then he will be traded. I see a champion contender in the 2014-2015 season. I see Billups starting if healthy.

  • Jul 19, 201312:02 pm
    by deusXango

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    The trade to make with Boston? How about Stuckey, J.J. and Kravtsov for Bradley and Olynyk? Sound ridiculous? So does Rondo for Monroe or Drummond!! I’m not a Boston fan.

  • Jul 19, 20131:19 pm
    by KaBa

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    Wow now I feal really bored about that PG talk because Dan you talk about it like the Pistons are having the worst PG in the NBA. And the thing that you talk about it day and night does not make it better. So realistically how many PGs are out there that could really help the Pistons make a jump? Keep in mind that those players need to be willing to play for the Pistons and they even have to be somehow affordable. Can’t wait to see those names.

    • Jul 19, 20133:20 pm
      by Brandon Knight

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      I agree, Knight can get the job done. 

    • Jul 19, 20135:08 pm
      by tarsier

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      If Dumars had handles the off-season competently, Teague and Jennings would have basically been the list. There weren’t a lot of FA PGs this year.

      • Jul 19, 20137:54 pm
        by KaBa

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        While Teague does make sense even though he had a contract season. Never really saw Hawks giving up just like that on two of there starting 5 players. Jennings would be a terrible fit with the contract as big as he wants it. Jennings isn’t really that good of a ball distributor that would make sense for the pistons to throw out the money plus tradebaits just to get him. The current roster can be strong and good enough to minimize the potential need for a new PG. In order to achieve the Pistons need to play like an unit, like a team. Cheeks will be the one to try to do that.

  • Jul 19, 20131:48 pm
    by Otis

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    Joe Dumars is literally always satisfied with the roster. I try not to be one of those people who always shits on your blogs, but Joe Dumars being satisfied with the roster is not headline news. It’s way beyond meaningless, and more often than not, it reflects either dishonesty or delusion (despite having the best roster we’ve had in ages). Let’s not forget that Joe Dumars is the man who, with an elite roster and near-unlimited freedom to operate, in one season he turned it into a roster whose primary players were Ben Gordon, Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Charlie Villanueva, Rodney Stuckey, Jason Maxiell, Austin Daye, Jonas Jerebko and Chris Wilcox. Like, it’s not just that he was satisfied that this was a good roster, he HAND-PICKED it. So, I don’t really need to read anything else about how satisfied he is or isn’t.

    • Jul 19, 20132:43 pm
      by Jerrific

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      ^this

      Part of his job is putting a positive spin on things to the media. Of course he’s going to say things like this. It doesn’t really mean anything, as he’s proven in the past to talk like this, then do the complete opposite only days later. Anyone remember when he said Kuester was the Pistons head coach going forward, only to fire him just a week later?  

  • Jul 19, 20132:01 pm
    by Terrell

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    I wonder while every one is concerned about the spacing problems,  lets talk about what we do have in the pistons. Think of the potential of the defense. “If” Knight starts and thats a very big “if”, we have a very good defense. Pistons basketball is defense so you don’t got to score 100 points to win a game, JUST SCORE MORE POINTS. 

    • Jul 19, 20132:37 pm
      by Jerrific

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      The problem is many fans have trouble believing the Pistons would be capable of scoring more points. Their three best players all need to be in the paint to score. Sure, they could have some solid defensive lineups, and that will win them some games. However, good teams will just clog the paint on us, making it almost impossible to get points without shooters keeping defenses honest. Also, Monroe is such a defensive sieve, I doubt we will ever have a top ten defense with him on the team. 

      • Jul 19, 20134:12 pm
        by Max

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        Exactly how many good teams have the man power inside to clog things up to the extent that the Pistons won’t be able to score inside?   I count Indiana and the Bulls in the East and that’s it for the conference.   That said, no one is keeping Drummond off the offensive boards–no one.  

        • Jul 19, 20134:50 pm
          by jerrific

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          Also the spurs, rockets,  and grizzlies. I was thinking in terms of playoffs,  the ultimate goal being a championship. My bad, should have clarified 

          • Jul 19, 20135:00 pm
            by Max

            I don’t think the championship is in question.    Winning 50 games and getting to the second round would qualify as a home run for this group and I don’t there was any combination of moves that would would have pushed their ceiling beyond that goal this year.  

          • Jul 19, 20135:09 pm
            by jerrific

            Neither do I, that round be insane. However,  obviously that is Gores goal, and he isn’t willing to take the patient route,  so I this core has to be looked at under that lense. Quite frankly, I’m not convinced this team will even make the playoffs.  I’m not saying they won’t, but it’s far from a sure thing. We need to unload some of our frontcourt talent for a decent guard or two. 

          • Jul 19, 20135:10 pm
            by jerrific

            *would not round

          • Jul 20, 201311:31 am
            by Huddy

            Legit concern, but I would say clogging the lane on 3 talented guys can also mean a lot of fouling (especially in today NBA) and I don’t think even the mentioned teams are deep enough to keep that up for extended periods of time.  Thats where FT shooting becomes key and we have to see which Josh Smith at the line we get this year and how Drummond can improve, but it also means key guys on those teams are out of the game opening it up for other players to get points.
             
            We should also remember Knight, KCP, Datome, Singler, Middleton still exist…its not like aren’t players that can be waiting to take open outside shots if team really want to collapse and clog the inside (plus the Pistons bigs pass well).

  • Jul 19, 20132:14 pm
    by Eric

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    Everyone nees to calm down You dont need to live by the 3 to win floor spacing will be fine 

  • Jul 19, 20132:15 pm
    by Eric

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    I love how everyone on here are better gm’s and basketball coach’s then whos getting paid to do it… LoL 

    • Jul 19, 20132:35 pm
      by stuckeyandwhoever

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      seriously!  Everyone complaining about not enough moves and the ones made 8 years ago..lol  Joe D is a 3 Time champ, !)  Most people complaining couldn’t be a 3 time champ in the YMCA over 50 league! 

    • Jul 19, 20132:38 pm
      by Jerrific

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      Isn’t that the purpose of sites like this, to discuss our ideas as a community? Just because people have opinions doesn’t mean they are declaring themselves experts. If you don’t like it just ignore the comments, for some of us, that’s the reason we come here. 

  • Jul 19, 20134:55 pm
    by Thiago

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    I cannot understand why they did not go after Devin Harris, who’ll be a backup for Caldy in Dallas.

    • Jul 19, 20135:38 pm
      by ToddM

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      Because Devin Harris has seriously regressed the last couple years, according to every article I’ve read.

      I love Chauncey and all, but I wish we’d stayed away from him, let Bynum go, and made a serious play for Jeff Teague.  Atlanta matched 4/32 from Milwaukee, so it would have been pricey, but the guy is exactly what we need — a non-ball-hog, all-around point guard that’d be happy with 10 shots a game and running the offense correctly.  

  • Jul 19, 20136:23 pm
    by MrBlockedShot

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    Monroe is the craftiest player on the roster and is among the best in the league, and he has only three years as a pro under his belt!  He’s a lot of things to improve (get stronger legs, set better screens, better effort on deffense , better ft %…) but he has been our better player last year overall, and would say the same about the year before.  I see no need to trade him, even more without pairing him for a whole season with Drummond, I think they complement each other and that would be the key for the team to be succesful. He could be one of the best bigs in the league should he improve his jumper and those things. Would not let him go without an allstar player in return…and not even sure about that. Not Rondo’s case anyway…

  • Jul 19, 20136:52 pm
    by Vic

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    Miami
    CHi
    bkN
    InD
    dET

    I say this because Cheeks doesnt seem to be micromanaging type of coach. He’ll let the best players play. Letting the best players play last year would have had us a #8 seed, w/o Drummonds injury

    • Jul 19, 20137:24 pm
      by Vic

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      ANd when you add KCP Billups Datome and Josh Smith I don’t see how that’s not a competitive team. I’d even say depending on KCP and datomes development they could beat Indiana

      • Jul 20, 201311:38 am
        by Huddy

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        I think BKN is a little over hyped too.  100% healthy they are definitely a pretty legit team, but they are aging fast and are really going to have to fit together quick with all the changes they made, which they are capable of.  Their lack of athleticism and Brooke Lopez could probably expose them in the rebounding dept especially against a team like Detroit.  
         
        I definitely wouldn’t count them out, but I have a feeling their spending spree is going to fall short again.

  • Jul 19, 20137:17 pm
    by MrShourite

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    Great post Dan! Lately you’ve been spot on in your assessment of our roster. I’m on the same page with you as far as that I’m “hopeful” that make the playoffs. But my confidence would increase in that possibility if we upgraded the point guard position. Was never really a Siva fan, although it was just a small sample size seems like a player that we would benefit from by having on our roster. 

  • Jul 19, 201311:17 pm
    by angry little man

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    For years we’ve lacked beef in the front court, not anymore. With Drummond, Smith and Mitchell we should have enough tougness and athletticism to not only compete against the best teams but possibly dominate them. Now I know this is a stretch, because it’s predicated on how well our newly aquired outside shooters can knock down shots. I personlly think they wil do just fine, I am very excited about the up coming season and cant wait to see how our new front line will do against the likes of Indiana, NY , Brooklyn, and Chicago.

  • Jul 20, 201310:22 am
    by Corey

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    Anyone look at the pistons salary structure carefully lately? I’d been wondering why they are giving out all these two year contracts this year. looking at it, I noticed something very interesting. Even with resigning Monroe next year, they are lined up to have $10-15 m in cap space next year, depending on Monroe’s starting salary and whether Chauncry retires or plays his 2nd year. So they have $ to sign a good guard next year, if they can’t trade for one. And if THAT fails, they have very few commitments in 2015. Even with a big contract to Monroe, in 2015 they have just over $30m committed to Drummond, Monroe, Smith, and KCP. So in the worst case (they can’t upgrade the roster much before then) they’ll be looking at $25m+ in space that year- or more likely they’ll know which of Singler/Middleton/Datome is worth keeping and resign for a few mil, and have $20m for the guard spots. If either of KCP or Knight pans out, this team will be in a very strong position in two years.

    So what does this mean for now? That it makes a lot of sense for this team to be pushing for the playoffs, rather than tanking. If they can show they are a playoff team, they could be very attractive to free agents in 2014 or 2015. Suppose KCP proves to be a good shooting guard. Then, if Monroe and Drummond progress, they are one good free agent PG signing away from being an honest-to-god contender. There are ifs, but this is looking like a basketball team with real potential, unlike the last few years.

    • Jul 22, 20134:43 pm
      by Crispus

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      So maybe Joe isn’t the big dope Dan and a number of commenters are making him out to be. I get the feeling him and Gores are both pretty shrewd and have a fairly good working relationship.

      I don’t think the Piston’s “win-now” looks like other “win-now”s we have seen. A lot of those teams give the appearance of flailing like the guy making big bets at the casino (remember Houston last year?). The Pistons are more measured. If the Trey Burke vs. Killer Clown Posse thing (a speck in a mosquito’s eye in my opinion) and the Josh Smith signing (a no-brainer) are the biggest concessions to “win-now” we really have nothing to complain about.

  • Jul 21, 20136:50 pm
    by Leon

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    This season will have to play out for people to see what’s going on with the Pistons. Like someone posted we are on an upswing, Rondo is a good CELTIC with Paul and KG. you’ll have half a season to determine if he would be good anywhere, especially in Detroit. We need to see how our bigs work out together. in my personal opinion trading Monroe would be the stupidest move ever. I mean he’s a more competent backup center than anybody else on the squad. remember we don’t have Max anymore. We do got Kastov but the jury is still out on him. hope the Pistons do keep Siva somehow I really think he could be a real gem If coached and used properly. I admit I’ve only seen highlights and only two games he played during the final four and the championship game but he’s the truest point guard we have and is good defensively. It’s funny i like T. Mitchell but I think Siva is the real steal. But we’ll see

  • Jul 22, 20132:43 am
    by Wolverines23

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    Dan (and other writers @ pistonpowered) what do you think about the following idea?

    After being against the idea of trading Monroe at all. I feel that this move below can really help us become an elite team. 

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k453f2v

    Greg Monroe and Kyle Singler for Kawhi Leonard and Boris Diaw.

    Leonard would be another great young piece who fits perfectly with this current roster at the 3 for us. His development last year was outstanding (12.0 PPG, 6.0 rebounds, PER 16.46), and his improvement in the post season is worth noting. He provides outside shooting (37.4% from the 3 during the season, and 39% in the post season), great defense, and can rebound the ball efficiently. Also, would be one of the only players who has both playoff and finals experience, only one other player – Chauncey Billups, Assistant coach Rasheed Wallace, Head Coach Mo Cheeks, and GM Joe Dumars can talk about what it feels to play in the finals and win games. 

    In return San Antonio get their next Tim Duncan. Greg Monroe can play center until Duncan retires, and then alongside Splitter, Green, Tony Parker, and Manu, Spurs would still be a contender in the West next year, and would have additional rebounding and scoring in Monroe. Singler helps them at the 3 spot with his outside shooting. I’d rather trade Singler and keep Middleton who is a better shooter and defender. Diaw can also play both Center and PF for us, he can also shoot the 3 as a big man, which helps. 

    Our lineup would then look like:

    Brandon Knight
    Kentavious-Caldwell Pope
    Kawhi Leonard 
    Josh Smith
    Andre Drummond

    Bench:
    Chauncey Billups – Bynum
    Rodney Stuckey
    Khris Middleton  
    Tony Mitchell – Jonas/CV
    Boris Diaw – Slava 

    This trade would be a win-win for both teams…..thoughts? 

    • Jul 22, 201310:43 am
      by prerich

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      If Greg Monroe is “the Next Tim Duncan” should we be trading him at all? Don’t get me wrong I love Leonard, but if Monroe pans out to be like Tim….lets stand pat and keep him.  Just remember what the Washington Bullets/Wizards did….they traded away a championship team that eventually became Detroit Pistons.

    • Jul 22, 201312:03 pm
      by Corey

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      I’m torn on this one. I don’t consider it a stupid proposal like some of the trades people suggest, but am not comfortable with it either. Leonard would make an outstanding, well-matched front line next to Smith and Drummond, and is a fast-improving young player who’s already good.  Diaw, on the other hand, I would expect to be approximately worthless.  I don’t want him if his contract goes past this year. 

      I think I’d want more than just Leonard, effectively. Diaw isn’t really a center, he just masquerades as one when playing next to Tim Duncan.  Drummond would have a very heavy load with only Kravtsov to back him up.  It’s good to have Monroe to play Center when Dre isn’t on the floor.

      Additionally, I wouldn’t trade Monroe before the season unless it was a total no-brainer – a young already allstar-level perimeter player. I’d trade him for Steph Curry, for Paul George, but not for someone below that level. And those teams probably wouldn’t make the trade the other way.  Leonard is a step below that.  I want to see how the Drummond/Monroe/Smith thing works out. Hopefully the coaches aren’t dumb enough to try to play them together for 30 minutes a game.   If they play two of them consistently for the vast majority of the big man mintues, that could be something really special.  By the end of the year, it could be the best 3 big man rotation in the league.  That would be fun to watch – and great to build on.

      And if it really doesn’t seem to work, they can trade someone near the deadline or next off season.

    • Jul 22, 20137:51 pm
      by Huddy

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      Monroe is still the 1-2 best player on the team (drummond is still in the potential stage).  And Leonard is maybe in a 2 way tie for the 4th beat player on the Spurs.  I think the kid is good, but not an even trade for Monroe at all.  On top of that you have to consider what he would look like if he wasn’t playing with 2-3 of the greatest in the game.  Being on the court with Duncan and Parker can open things up for anyone.  if Monroe is a possibility to trade for Rondo then he better net Leonard, Green, and rounder(or something better, can’t really see anything realistic) 

  • Jul 23, 20134:06 pm
    by Lake Side Live

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    “I asked someone — outside the Grizzlies organization — who does research and projections on European prospects.”

    This is credible? 

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