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Trey Burke likely in Pistons’ range

Chad Ford released a list of NBA Draft prospects divided into tiers, slotting players as he could best discern how NBA teams see them. Here are the players listed in the top tier used:

  • Anthony Bennett
  • Alex Len
  • Ben McLemore
  • Nerlens Noel
  • Victor Oladipo
  • Otto Porter

Notice a missing name? That’s right, Trey Burke is somehow omitted.

He’s in the next tier, though he gets special mention with C.J. McCollum and Michael Carter-Williams as players who some teams believe belong a tier up.

So, if we assume the six players in the top-used tier will definitely be off the board when the Pistons pick, that means only one other player – most likely McCollum or Carter-Williams – must go before the Pistons, and then they can draft Burke.

And remember, the two teams picking just before the Pistons – i.e., the teams that will most likely have the fewest top-tier players available to them before the Pistons pick – reportedly aren’t particularly high on Burke.

I’m getting really hopeful this could happen. Burke is far from a perfect prospect, but at No. 8 in this draft, he would be a phenomenal pickup.

In each of the last three years, as the draft neared, I became hopeful a top player would fall to the Pistons. In 2010, it was Greg Monroe. In 2011, it was Jonas Valanciunas. In 2012, it was Andre Drummond.

So, I’m 2-for-3, but not without plenty of nerves.

As the draft approached, I scoured every report and analyzed every tidbit with an eye on how it would affect the likelihood of my guy falling. I laughed uncontrollably when the Warriors fell in love with Ekpe Udoh, slumped in my seat when the center-needing Bobcats traded ahead of the Pistons and pumped my fist silently as the Bobcats kicked of a perfect storm by drafting Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.

I cheered and cried with every twist and turn, and as PistonPowered has grown, posted more and more about it here. Burke will get the same treatment between now and Thursday.

60 Comments

  • Jun 22, 20135:25 pm
    by joe dumars

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    The Pistons are reportedly not high on Burke, yet he came in for a visit this week.

    http://mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2013/06/trey_burke_among_several_detro.html

  • Jun 22, 20135:28 pm
    by ryan

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    I just don’t get the love for Trey Burke. He’s one of the guys I really hope we don’t draft because i just don’t see him as a viable starter due to his lack size and elite speed.
    I’d much rather have Cody Zeller, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope or Steven Adams project though he is.

    • Jun 22, 20137:44 pm
      by sop

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      I agreed Ryan. I hope it does come down to having to pick between McCollum, Burke, and MCW because the there’s the possibility of some huge draft day regret. I have watched and read about these three more than is healthy and I just don’t know who would be best for the Pistons much less best player. If I had to rank them:
      1. McCollum might develop into an insanely good player if he has hidden playmaking abilities that were masked by lack of teammates to pass to or offensive plan that was only built around him scoring. He can already shoot and is long, but he’s old and #s are inflated this year.
      2. Burke might bring some fire and passion for the game that the Pistons have been lacking if he can get enough penetration to make plays that get him excited. I just wish his second step was quicker and elevation was slightly better. As the youngest of the 3 his upside is equal to any PG in the draft.
      3. MCW has the most bust potential of the 3. If he can’t learn to shoot or gets pushed around because of his lack of strength, then he will be pretty worthless. But he could be the perfect fit and could be a Rondo level impact PG.

    • Jun 22, 20138:39 pm
      by Jeremy

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      How does Burke lack size? He is listed at 6’1 and 187lbs. CP3 is listed at 6′ and 175lbs, Rondo is listed at 6’1 and 186lbs, and Tony Parker is listed at 6’2 185lbs. Yes there are bigger PGs out there, but it’s not like we’re talking about Spud Webb here. 

      • Jun 22, 20139:39 pm
        by danny

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        Everytime I read about size i think of what you just said. 

        • Jun 22, 201310:20 pm
          by jacob

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          You don’t block or shoot with your head. You use your hands and Burke’s wingspan is 6’5″. In this draft if Burke fell to 8 and the Pistons don’t take him then something is wrong. He is a great offensive player and is underrated defensively. Unless another player drops with him like oladipo, bennet or porter then explain to me why the pistons would not draft him? We need a pg, IMO we don’t have to trade Knight just use him as a sixth man. Then add another big wing player in FA.

      • Jun 23, 20134:32 am
        by Vic

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        This. Is exactly why the Pistons are getting another steal.

    • Jun 23, 20132:29 am
      by oats

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      On top  of the point’s made by people here on his height, Burke is plenty fast. Faster 3/4 court sprint than Paul. If lacking elite speed is more about quickness, then he also had a better lane agility test than Mike Conley. While not exactly elite, that means that we have evidence that elite quickness is largely over rated.

  • Jun 22, 20135:44 pm
    by steppxxxz

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    I dont think burke has anywhere near the athleticism to be a starter. Lots of intangibles, smart, but he’s barely 6 ft and not explosive…ie he is DJ augustin. Give me denis schroder any day or MCW even. But who not draft ray mccallum with the second pick…..frankly i think Ray and Kabango both have as much upside as burke and schroder has considerably more. But Id love olidipo to fall, though not likely. And then there is the case of tony mitchell, who nobody rates this high except me. 

    • Jun 22, 20136:09 pm
      by deusXango

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      Have a field day until draft day when Joe breaks many of our hearts. Has anyone seen Dennis Schroeder play against tough competition for a few games? Ray McCallum is a great fall back pick if Burke is gone at #8 but, McCallum may be gone by the time #38 rolls around also. As badly as we need a natural PG, I’m open-minded with the pick; I noticed that Cody Zeller is nowhere to be found on this “tier” chart and IMHO he would add to the growing strength of the team, which is our big men.

      I’m hopeful that someone worthy of a first round selection falls to us at #38 like Mitchell, Rice Jr., Crabbe, or Muscala. 

    • Jun 23, 20134:35 am
      by Vic

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      I rate Tony mitchell high too. I’d take him in the lottery with a 2nd pick. We need a pg first Burke, or an sg, KCP

  • Jun 22, 20135:45 pm
    by ryank

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     Knight must go if this the direction they pick.  I’m not sure if that’s a good thing our not.  

    • Jun 22, 20137:50 pm
      by jacob

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      Why couldn’t knight be the 6th man?

  • Jun 22, 20135:57 pm
    by Alex

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    Agreed if oladipo fell it would be a great pickup, but upside Is overrated when it comes to how many draft busts their are. Yea burke is small but his playmaking and leadership are underrated, burke would be a great pickup, much better than BK was for are pg. Burke is small and that would leave us with a small backcourt, but b knight should be coming off the bench, he is a shoot first pg and burke can see the floor much better than him and MCW, MCW numbers were much worse against top notch competition last year, burke seemingly played good teams every other game, that says a lot.

    • Jun 22, 20137:06 pm
      by Filo Putz

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      I believe the player being overlooked in the top 5 is Zeller.  He’s the guy that might fall to 8. The reason his sophomore year wasn’t what everyone expected was Oladipo, Hulls,Ferrell didn’t look to him as the first option like he was his freshman year. He’s better than Tyler who had a nice rookie year.

      • Jun 23, 20131:51 pm
        by tarsier

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        It would be surprising if he wan’t available at 8. But he isn’t a top 5 prospect. And he is probably not a top 8 prospect.

      • Jun 24, 201310:31 am
        by Huddy

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        Its not like Oladipo brought his offense down, he still scored 16 a game, which is a slight improvement over his freshman year (although FG% dropped). 

    • Jun 23, 20134:38 am
      by Vic

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      I would take Burke and Porter over Oladipo because they play more critical positions thit use more intelligence.

  • Jun 22, 20136:42 pm
    by ffz

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    have any if you guys noticed that this year the word “bust” has barely been used.

  • Jun 22, 20136:42 pm
    by Khalil

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    Id rather draft ray mccallum in the second round and shabazz in the first round! This team needs scoring . 

  • Jun 22, 20136:43 pm
    by John John

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    ^ I AGREE @Khalil

  • Jun 22, 20136:57 pm
    by Mike

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    Burke and CJ McCollum are both really good options, IMO. I keep going back and forth between them as far as who I like more. I’d be extremely disappointed if they took MCW over either of them.
     
    I’d still take Oladipo, McLemore, Porter or Bennett over any of the PGs, but I like Burke and McCollum by a significant margin over that second group of wings like KCP and Shabazz.

  • Jun 22, 20137:13 pm
    by Georgio

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    This draft if full of PGs, and make no mistake Burke isn’t the only PG with “intangibles”, why draft one at 8 when you can get one at 37 who may be just as good as the one at 8. Joe should draft Zeller at 8, athleticism at his size dosen’t come around often, and go for a wing (PG or SG) with 37. The Pistons’s calling card should be their size and the difficulty matching up with it. PGs you can get, 7 footers with elite athleticism you can’t. Get one now while you can.

    • Jun 22, 20137:18 pm
      by Filo Putz

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      Agreed. but think he’ll be gone before 8.

    • Jun 23, 20132:40 am
      by oats

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      Because the guys at 37 are way worse prospects. They are all significantly less likely to be starters. While it’s true that they could be as good as Burke, it requires them to get reasonably close to their ceiling while Burke stays reasonably close to his floor. The odds are way better that the team will get a good player if they take Burke than if they wait until 37.

      • Jun 24, 201310:40 am
        by Huddy

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        First sentence is all you needed.  Guys fall to the second round for a reason and despite any specific player in history that overachieves and proves otherwise,  it is far more likely to get a quality player at 8…obviously.

    • Jun 23, 20134:42 am
      by Vic

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      I agree but the only one with proven skill like Burke is Wolters… And PG is too important a position to leave to chance and nonskilled players. The last 5 years shouldhave proven that.

  • Jun 22, 20137:16 pm
    by jacob

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    If burke falls he should be the pick. If not either shabazz or zeller.

  • Jun 22, 20137:41 pm
    by Eddie

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    I am very torn with this pick myself.  I’ve kinda talked my self into hoping it’s Burke, but if not, I’d be happy with CJ as well.  I just really don’t want to see MCW be the pick.  I saw several of his games and have never come away impressed.  Zeller too would be interesting as well.  What scares me about him is he’s not an “elite” rebounder, nor is he a “long” player.  Both of those skills/traits translate very well at the next level.  Also, if Dallas offered up the #13 pick and Shawn Marion, I’d be all for that.  We have the cap room to take on Marion and then draft someone like Tony Mitchell or Jamaal Franklin (this guy is gonna be good…..mark my words).

    • Jun 22, 20137:54 pm
      by Filo Putz

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       7′ isn’t long to you?

      • Jun 22, 20139:00 pm
        by Tony J

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        His 6’8 wingspan is very concerning for a 7 footer

        • Jun 22, 20139:28 pm
          by Filo Putz

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          Not to me. He has a 37″ vertical!

        • Jun 22, 20139:54 pm
          by jacob

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          get real

          • Jun 22, 20139:58 pm
            by Filo Putz

            I did but you can’t handle it.

          • Jun 22, 201310:14 pm
            by jacob

            It’s not 6’8″ its 7′. Below average yes. 6’8″ no

          • Jun 22, 201310:15 pm
            by Filo Putz

            OK so going by the medical definition of normal wing span isn’t enough for you. Just do the math. When he leaves his feet his head is 1″ above the rim add in his standing reach and his overall is about 12′. And the is perceived somehow to present a problem?

          • Jun 22, 201310:53 pm
            by Worm

            Have you ever watched Zeller play? He doesn’t play like a 7 footer with huge hops. He rarely gets full extension on his layups and has significant trouble with people who are bigger than he is. People drooling over his measureables are forgetting that he is frail. His offense consists of putting his head down and driving to the rim hard. Most college defenders weren’t big enough to stop him so they had to foul him. That won’t be the case in the NBA.

          • Jun 23, 20132:56 am
            by oats

            Worm has a point. Zeller got his shot blocked an awful lot for a 7 footer with huge hops. If I had to guess on the explanation, I’d guess that it is because he struggles to gather himself while also fighting off defenders that are likely stronger than him. Whatever the reason, he didn’t really play above the rim very much in college and I see no reason to assume that he will in the NBA. Maybe he figures it out, but maybe he doesn’t.

  • Jun 22, 20137:54 pm
    by jacob

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    Shabazz is coming in on Monday for a workout with the Pistons. I honestly think that if both Zeller and Burke are gone then why take a chance on MCW or CJ, when we can take a chance on a player with maybe the highest upside in the draft. If we think he can play SG then we take him and try to resign calderon or take a pg with our next pick. Or trade both of those picks to move up into the late first maybe and take a pg.

  • Jun 22, 20138:17 pm
    by AYC

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    McCollum might turn out to be a good player, but I don’t see him as a good fit.  I also worry him about him being one of those guys that will fill up the stat sheets during garbage time or against mediocre teams, but will end up bouncing from team to team because of poor efficiency and teamwork.  I might be tempted to take him if only to later trade him, but the glut at guard dims those prospects.  Do we really need another combo guard?  
    Burke and Shabazz might just not have the size and athleticism to bring out the best of their skill sets.  Especially with Shabazz’s difficulty in going right.  MCW has nothing but height going for him.  Even his PG skills, which are one of his selling points, have serious questions when it comes to turnovers and against top competition.
    Pope?  Could be a useful role starter, but questions about his ballhandling are there.  I’d certainly take him over CJ/Burke/Shabazz/MCW. Tony Mitchell might be another Josh Smith, and is intriguing.
    Who then? (assuming no one at the top falls)  I think Zeller might be the safe pick.  He certainly has the skill set and the athleticism to put up points in the NBA.  His athletic numbers suggest he might even be able to play the 3.  

    • Jun 22, 201310:55 pm
      by Worm

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      For better or worse, I see a lot of Ben Gordon in McCollum. I think he could be a better defender and rebounder though. When BG had a complementary role, he was an extremely valuable role player. I’d be ok with a Chicago BG clone.

      • Jun 22, 201311:06 pm
        by Filo Putz

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        I’ve never watched McCollum play so I can’t comment. But I have watched Zeller a number of times and as I said in an earlier post Zeller went from being the first option his freshman year to the third or fourth as sophomore. In many situations he didn’t touch the ball until the shot clock was running down and he had to try and create. He looked lost in the Indiana offense sometimes. Not sure what to do as the guys that that I mentioned looked to do something themselves.

      • Jun 23, 20132:49 am
        by oats

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        I don’t trust CJ’s shooting numbers this year. I also don’t assume that he can pass since he hasn’t proven it’s an actual skill for him. He really needs to prove that he can do at least one of those things well for him to be a decent player. If not, then I see a lot of Randy Foye potential in McCollum. He’s one of the more hit and miss players in this draft.

        • Jun 23, 201311:45 am
          by Worm

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          Yeah I absolutely do not believe that he is a PG. I could see him playing PG in a lineup with a couple other playmakers like Moose and Unnamed FA. He certainly is not a traditional distributor though. I’m also a little skeptical of his shooting numbers although his stroke is beautiful and he was such a high volume scorer that it could have detracted from his efficiency in previous years. This team desperately needs outside shooting and he COULD be elite at that, hence his attractiveness.

  • Jun 23, 201312:26 am
    by BD

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    I’ll be a little concerned if the Pistons had to choose between Zeller and Burke (if the Pistons are going for the absolute best option and prospect that would contribute right away). I expect these players to at least be role players throughout their prospective NBA careers, but I personally don’t see how they fit into the Piston’s system.
    Zeller has not improved his post game as much, but even more telling is his apparent lack of finishing ability by the paint. He got destroyed by Syracuse. Although having physical tools do not equate to being an NBA caliber player or not, it should be a concern that his reach is lacking; the reason why his finishing ability is lacking is because he shoots at a low release. Yes, even his above average leaping ability will not temper everything here. If Zeller could find a reliable go to move, however, he’ll be a reliable role player. One site, NBADraft.net, has him comparable to LaMarcus Aldridge, which is ridiculous. I see a more athletic Tyler Hansbrough for at least the first few years of his career.
    Although Burke was an outstanding player, I just do not trust his ability translating into the NBA. I agree that size should not be a factor, though athleticism may be a bit of gray area (basically you need one to guarantee success). Someone listed Tony Parker, CP3, and Rondo… they’re all fantastic athletes or have blazing speed/agility, unfortunately Burke does not have that. As for passing, I do not exactly trust his court vision yet… it just does not look fluid. Where Burke will excel at, however, will be jump shooting, and overall plays well off the pick and roll. His defense is a bit of a concern. I hope (especially if the Pistons draft him) that his best years weren’t in college… the NBA potential concerns me a bit.

    • Jun 23, 201312:29 am
      by BD

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      Oh woops, when I said “reach,” I meant wingspan.

      • Jun 23, 20132:18 am
        by Filo Putz

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         Zellers shooting percentage went down from his freshman to sophomore for the reason I stated. He was not the focus of the offense. He was put in a position where he had no choice but to force a scoring opportunity because of the shot clock. Crean allowed Hull, Ferrell, and oladipo to try and work on the perimeter. Zeller rarely received the ball in an offensive set.

        • Jun 23, 20132:26 am
          by Filo Putz

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          oh and about your comparison to hansbrough. If Hansbrough was 6’10.75″ instead of 6’8.25″  I would take him over T Zeller. But he’s not.

  • Jun 23, 20133:26 am
    by koz

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    Shabazz can help push the pistons in the playoffs, maybe he’s ready to put up good numbers out of the gate, I think it can be so.

    • Jun 23, 20138:09 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      @Koz makes too much sense for this Board…To say Draft, most fans here are more emotional than rational
      They’d rather have Burke (who I thought was a great competior but refused to workout with or against McCollum and Carter-williams) …he is an emotional pick who stock is sliding

      They’d rather have a shooter than a scorer in Pope … although this team clearly need a wing scorer

      • Jun 23, 201311:30 pm
        by tarsier

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        How is Burke an emotional pick?

        If the rationale for taking Burke were “He played at Michigan”, I would agree. But nobody is promoting taking him on the basis of being a hometown hero. It’s based on how good he is at basketball.

        Burke can flat out ball. Who cares about the measurables when you can play well? And Burke’s measurables aren’t even bad. They might be slightly below NBA averages, but they’re right in the normal range. 

        • Jun 24, 201310:48 am
          by Huddy

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          I think you have posed this question every time someone makes the homer argument, but I never see a quality response.  I really don’t understand how a player with some much national recognition can be labeled a “homer pick” and a guy like Shabazz who slides all over the place (often in the mid teens) with a ton of question marks is a “sensible pick”.  I have no problem with someone liking Shabazz more or seeing upside in him, but to act like fans of the NPOY are irrational homers is just a weak argument.

  • Jun 23, 20135:45 am
    by Max

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    Been reading comments that Stuckey should be traded before Knight if Burke is drafted and I had a couple of thoughts.  

    Sure, Stuckey had a regressive year but he actually asked to be a backup which means his ego shouldn’t be hard to manage in terms of whether he starts moving forward whereas we don’t know anything about Knight’s attitude regarding being a backup.  

    More importantly though, Stuckey is arguably better than Knight at both guard positions and is better suited to being a combo guard who can play either position with Burke as the pure point.   Stuckey isn’t turnover prone, isn’t too small to play any shooting guard and causes matchup problems with his own size at the point.   Personally, I think he is still a better playmaker than Knight but the difference isn’t glaring.   

    On the other hand, Knight is a better outside shooter and has more upside.   He is also probably worth much more as trade bait which may be a good reason to trade him before he loses value.     

  • Jun 23, 20137:16 am
    by Eric

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    If Burke is there at #8 he should be the pick.  The Pistons are lacking a leader, a point guard that makes the rest of the team better, and the character the Burke has is definitely being over looked.  I have not seen the competitiveness of a PG in quite a while.  There is less risk in taking Burke than any other player in the draft in my opinion. 

    I can already see the pick and roll with Drummond being the go to play for the Pistons.

    Picking Burke will give this team direction as Stuckey, nor Knight have provided a direction to this point.  Burke is a point guard and will be a point guard and we know he will only play point guard.  The Pistons can then focus on putting some athletic wings that can shoot the three consistently and the Pistons may be moving closer to the playoffs.

    If they could add one big name this offseason, Iguodala, or someone via trade, possbily Deng this offseason the Pistons will start giving the fans a reason to go to the Palace.           

    • Jun 24, 20135:26 pm
      by Filo Putz

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      The pistons have so many needs to get to a championship level. They won’t get there by signing Iguodala or Deng. Unfortunately Dumars must spend to get to at least 90% of the cap. Which means he’s forced to overspend on players with no room to grow and improve.

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