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1. Ben McLemore
Jun 22, 2013 • 8:46 amby Travis
The homerism is strong in this year’s voting for Michigan’s Trey Burke. IMHO, Burke is at best the #6 prospect on the Pistons’ big board.
Jun 22, 2013 • 9:35 amby deusXango
@Travis, if Trey Burke is projected as a top 5 pick in the lottery (on the majority of boards) why would he be ”at best the #6 prospect on the Pistons big board?” This is the type of thinking and rational that has allowed Joe Dumars to make the foolish mistakes he has with full acceptance by most fans. Foolish mistakes makes for middle of the road teams.
Jun 22, 2013 • 9:53 amby Travis
So Drummond, Monroe, Singler, Affalo, Johnson, Prince, and Jeberko were all foolish mistakes in the draft by Dumars…okay.
Jun 22, 2013 • 10:45 amby tarsier
You’re contradicting a terrible argument. But who made it?
Jun 22, 2013 • 10:50 amby Travis
Considering the topic is on the draft, and not free agency, my counterpoint is reasonable. Free agency is for another discussion.
Jun 23, 2013 • 1:52 pmby tarsier
The topic was moves by Dumars, not a specific subset of them.
Jun 22, 2013 • 10:46 amby tarsier
Your point counters an argument that would be really terrible and weak. But nobody made that argument.
Jun 22, 2013 • 12:21 pmby Matt
The Pistons board and the NBA board are completely different. Different teams have different needs and for us wings should come 1st in my opinion. I think the novelty of having a guy from Michigan will wear of pretty soon after the season starts. Yes you want the best player available but in this draft there really isn’t that big a change between the top picks. I would say Burke falls for us because wings are more important.
Jun 22, 2013 • 2:12 pmby sop
While Burke has tremendous skill his lack of explosion and size drastically limit his upside. If your voting for him as the 2 option for the Pistons then your almost definitely a U of M fan. Oladipo, Bennett, Noel and Porter all clearly have more potential than Burke just because of their physical profiles. Sorry bro but no one is projecting him as #2 even if your the Magic who need a future point.
Jun 22, 2013 • 10:46 amby Travis
I don’t attend to monopilze the comments, but Burke is “projected” to go #6-8 in 5 mock drafts, with the former Michigan guard falling to the Pistons in 2 out of 5 of those mock drafts. Burke strikes me more as a Luke Ridnour than a Chris Paul, but Im just a fan using an eye test for my evaluation.
Burke’s biggest liability on the Pistons team is being an undersized guard in a small backcourt featuring Burke & Knight. However, that can change if the Pistons sign a large SG to compliment Trey Burke.
Jun 22, 2013 • 10:48 amby tarsier
How much of a correlation is there among PGs between size and how good they are?
Jun 22, 2013 • 11:38 amby Jon
he’s not that small. he’s 6’1 with a 6’5 wingspan making him bigger than chris paul and his athletic numbers are comparable to paul’s PRE ACL INJURY. no one knows what paul’s athletic numbers are now but players don’t normally become better athletes post acl surgery so there is a decent chance burke has more size and more athleticism than the best pg alive and he has a similar game meaning his supposed limited athletic abilities can be hidden by strength and good ball handling
Jun 22, 2013 • 11:49 amby Matt
Height is one thing strength is another. I see Brandon getting bullied by SGs. Anyone who gets Knight on the low block will have an easy 2. There are a lot of SGs who will try and post up Knight leading to more DeAndre moments when Monroe loses his man. Injuries would then become a problem too as we saw last year. I think you’ll have to pick one or the other but not both.
Jun 22, 2013 • 12:02 pmby joe
This is too much thinking, If the Pistons is trading Knight then they should draft Burke, McCollum or MCW, if they keep Knight then they should Draft KCP,Rice Jr or Hardaway. All this Burke and Knight backcourt shit is a quick way to get somebody fire!
Jun 22, 2013 • 12:23 pmby Matt
Yes I agree 100%. That is my opinion exactly.
Jun 22, 2013 • 12:40 pmby Travis
@Joe – exactly the point I attempted to make in my second half of my discussion on Burke. No one doubts he has talent, but a Burke & Knight backcourt would be problematic.
Jun 22, 2013 • 3:12 pmby oats
Knight hasn’t shown himself to be a competent starter. Why should anyone be concerned with how Burke fits with Knight when there is no reason to think that will be the long term starting back court? This argument makes no sense to me. The solution isn’t avoiding Burke, it’s looking to upgrade off Knight.
Jun 22, 2013 • 4:02 pmby KaBa
Darfting Burke (or to be more precise drafting a pure PG) shouldn’t indeed have anything to do with Knight. Switching Knight from time to time to the SG has also helped him. But I still think they should take MCW over Burke, even though I know that that would be a gamble, as Burke is more proven. Since we’are talking here about the Pistons Draft Board obviously Oladipo an McLemore should be ahead of Burke.
Jun 23, 2013 • 2:23 amby oats
I agree with that part about Oladipo and McLemore. Disagree on MCW. His turnovers and lack of shooting ability make him too risky to me. MCW was below average as a shooter everywhere, including shooting less than 50% at the rim and under 70% at the line. That’s pretty terrible. It is really important that Detroit’s perimeter players can hit a jump shot given how limited the range on Drummond and Monroe is. Teams will cheat off any player to clog the lane if he can’t at least hit an open 3. MCW very much can’t do that. His turnovers are also problematic. Knight isn’t a proven starter, but he’s definitely a useful bench player still. Detroit could be one of the most turnover prone teams in the league with MCW, Knight, and Monroe. That’s kind of problematic. Then throw in Dan’s point he made a little while ago about how much more of a drop off MCW had against good teams than Burke did, and even MCW’s passing is not guaranteed to be a useful asset. That pretty much leaves defense. He should be a good defender, but his steals total might be slightly inflated by the Syrcuse zone.
On top of all the reasons why Burke is the better fit, he is also the younger player. All evidence suggests that age is the strongest indicator of room for growth. That seems notable since Burke is currently the better player. I get that an argument can be made that MCW’s athleticism and size gives him the higher ceiling, but I’m really not convinced of it. I’d say his ceiling is Jason Kidd, and Burke’s is post injury Chris Paul. Those are pretty similar. But Burke’s floor is much higher, so he is just a better prospect in my opinion.
Jun 22, 2013 • 3:56 pmby KaBa
Well they should trade Stuckey before they even consider trading Knight. There is way too much impatience on him. Knight is stil so young. Developing takes time. Stuckey on the other side is kind of loosing his groove. Maybe some fresh air in a new city could help him being more consistant again.
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2. Victor Oladipo
3. Otto Porter
4. Trey Burke
5. Nerlens Noel
6. Anthony Bennett
7. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
8. C.J. McCollum
9. Michael Carter-Williams
10. Shabazz Muhammad
11. Cody Zeller
12. Alex Len
13. Dennis Schroeder
14. Sergey Karasev
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