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Pistons to pursue Josh Smith

Marc Stein (in the parentheses and caps):

RT @ramonashelburne: Josh Smith expected to have 5-6 suitors when free agency begins (HEARING DETROIT IS GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE 5-6)

Josh Smith is a better power forward than small forward, but aside from Andre Iguodala, Smith might play small forward right now better than any other free agent. The Pistons, who seem set on making the playoffs next season regardless of long-term effects, could really use Smith to help achieve that goal.

The issue is they’d be bidding against teams that would play Smith at power forward, making him more valuable to those other teams. So, there’s little chance the Pistons could sign Smith without overpaying him.

Signing Smith probably comes down to what the Pistons prioritize: getting good value in free agency or getting good players in free agency. At this stage of rebuilding, I’d prioritize good value over good players, but, with Joe Dumars’ contract expiring and Tom Gores stressing the short term, I doubt the Pistons will show such patience.

57 Comments

  • Jun 30, 20135:42 pm
    by Reaction

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    Doing any major free agent signing and losing our draft pick in this coming draft would be one of the most utterly stupid moves Dumars could make. We would not only be missing out on the Andrew Wiggins sweepstakes but also on a loaded draft in addition to overpaying a free agent. Hopefully Dumars is smart enough NOT to do that.

    • Jun 30, 201311:02 pm
      by Max

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      Just starting Drummond will make the team lose the draft pick.  It’s as good as gone already.  

      • Jul 1, 201312:04 am
        by gmehl

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        Yeah I have resigned myself to that fact as well. We might as well hope for a playoff push until it is obvious that we can’t make it. If it looks like we are going to bomb out of playoff contention then I hope management (Gores) is smart enough to let the team tank. Speaking of tanking you can only just imagine the tankfest that will go on at the end of next season with such a strong draft class more than likely coming through.

  • Jun 30, 20135:44 pm
    by Eric

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    Good decision if Joe D signs him.  Plays defense, is athletic, and can score.  Not the best outside shooter, but does have three point range.   Can play SF and when Monroe or Drummond are on the bench he can play the 4.   Also, Monroe can then become a trade asset and makes are roster more flexible.  Monroe is not very athletic and does not play good defense.

    Also Pistons have no one that can guard Lebron.  Josh Smith can at least compete with the best basketball player in the world.  

    • Jun 30, 20135:53 pm
      by oats

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      Smith shoots 32% on all shots not taken at the rim. That is awful. He also shot 30% on 3s, which means he really shouldn’t be shooting them. If he is outside of 3 feet from the hoop then he is taking a bad shot for him. Playing him at the 3 is a terrible idea, especially if it’s alongside two bigs with limited range like Monroe and Drummond.

      • Jun 30, 20135:56 pm
        by Edgar

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        100% correct.

        • Jun 30, 20138:18 pm
          by ryan

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          I’m not an evil man but I’d sooner that Josh Smith die this summer than sign with the Pistons. This would be the absolute worst mistake Joe Dumars has ever made and I too would join the crowd of folks calling for him to be fired. Josh Smith is 2009 all over again. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

          • Jul 1, 201312:52 am
            by frankie d

            lol.  i’ve been anticipating this for a while now.
            it makes no sense, considering the pistons’ current roster.
            but then…hiring cheeks made no sense.
            and passing up burke made no sense.
            so this will be one more dumb move that makes no sense whatsoever.
            what madness!!!! 

  • Jun 30, 20135:45 pm
    by Joe Dumars Consience

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    DO NOT go after Josh Smith; he’s overrated and will be a complete waste of funds to the Pistons. 

  • Jun 30, 20135:55 pm
    by Edgar

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    Max money to a guy who’s never averaged 20 ppg, never averaged 10 rpg, only shot 50% once in 9 seasons, never made an all-star team, whose team has never made it past the second round, who takes awful mid-range jumpers like 4 times a game, AND who plays the same position as our second-best player? Nope. He’d be a great addition to the team all things being equal, but they’re not equal. He wants way more than he’s worth and it’d be idiotic to give it to him.

    • Jun 30, 201311:55 pm
      by gmehl

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      “plays the same position as our second-best player”

      Curiously asking by this comment I assume that you think that Drummond is our best player and that Monroe is our second best player. If this is the case then you need to seriously take a deep breath and try again. Drummond looks more than likely to surpass moose but you can’t make that call yet cause the kid only play 20mpg in his first season. If I have misunderstood you then I apologize.

      • Jul 1, 201312:10 am
        by Max

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        Drummond was better per minute than Moose though.   Personally, he looked like the best player on the Pistons to me by about the half way mark of the season and I think he might have won ROY with a different coach that would have started him. 

  • Jun 30, 20135:58 pm
    by Filo Putz

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    THIS IS WHAT i WAS HOPING THEY WOULD DO.. There are a lot of Josh Smith haters out there and if you just looked at stats like shooting percentage it would be understandable. But he is a really good player. whose skills are unique and game changing. You could see his frustration last year in Atlanta and maybe it runs deep enough that if the Pistons made a comparable offer he would bolt…

    • Jun 30, 20136:04 pm
      by oats

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      I think Josh Smith is a great player… for someone else. He’s just a terrible fit on this roster. If Drummond wasn’t on the team I’d be all in on Smith. If Monroe could shoot at all I’d be in on Smith. Neither of those things are true. In Detroit he’d be playing SF or coming off the bench. He’d be an awful SF because he can’t shoot. If he’s coming off the bench then he’s way overpaid. Most of the league should be trying to get him on their team. Detroit is one of a handful that should just walk away.

  • Jun 30, 20136:19 pm
    by Filo Putz

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    Smith has alway considered himself a small forward who sometimes was forced to play out of position at power forward. Agreed he is not a prototype small forward but his size agility and unique abilities would virtually guarantee making the playoff. Of Course there are the standard risks for making a long term commitment to a guy who’s not exactly brand new and has had his share of injuries. But at the right price, because he is such a demonstrable upgrade in overall team talent, I’d seriously pursue him.. All this being said If you have read any of my posts on the subject since I started here. I have a strong dislike for signing free agents for reasons I won’t rehash.

    • Jun 30, 20136:37 pm
      by oats

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      The team would have 3 guys that need to be within 3 feet of the basket to score effectively. There’s no way to get them all shots at the rim, so instead they will have to settle for a lot of really bad shots. It might get the team into the playoffs in a terrible conference and while a lot of teams are tanking, but that lineup will be a disaster in the playoffs and will never be competitive. You just can’t get away with 3 non shooters in the starting lineup. That never works.

      • Jun 30, 20136:46 pm
        by Filo Putz

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        Again your looking at stats to justify not pursuing him when in your post before you recognized what a great player he is. Go by what he does on the floor; In games. He is a difference maker and has played more as a hybrid forward his whole career. He is not a low post player. He is a face the rim guy.

        • Jul 1, 201312:34 am
          by oats

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          This no stats thing makes no sense. Stats are how you measure what a guy does. In Smith’s case he doesn’t do what Detroit needs him to do. Detroit needs a small forward that can hit a jump shot. Smith can not do that.

          • Jul 1, 201312:58 am
            by frankie d

            this is hilarious.
            you’d think some folks have never seen smith play.
            he is a horrible jump shooter.
            he is a great player if he takes shots within about an 8 foot range or takes his man off the dribble.
            unfortunately, and for some strange reason, he imagines that he is a good/great outside shooter and he keeps taking those jumpers that he cannot make.
            and on the current detroit team, he simply does not fit.   this detroit team needs players who can hit 3 pointers so that the interior can be open for drummond to do maximum damage.
            and for monroe to still be able to get to the rim if he’s not hitting that 10 foot jumper.
            the last thing the team needs is a guy like smith who is absolutely devastating around the basket but a real non-threat the farther you take him away from the basket.
            god, i just knew this was coming.
            max offer to josh smith, here we go! 

          • Jul 1, 20132:34 am
            by Filo Putz

            You can look at stats. I’ll look at wins and who he had as a supporting cast.

  • Jun 30, 20136:28 pm
    by Taylor

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    Gores needs to stop stressing short term and start looking towards long term. Because he is fo used on winning now he is basically forcing Dumars to make moves that will make the pistons a playoff team this year, but be in the 6-8 seed basement for years to come. If Tom Gores gave Dumars one more year after this year then I believe Joe wouldn’t even entertain Josh Smith and make moves to make this team a championship contender in 2 or 3 years from now. To start i believe he would sign Eric Maynor as a back up PG (a solid guard who knows Mo Cheeks system) and SF Martell Webster who last year for the Wizards averaged 11.5 points, 4 rebounds, and 2 assists on 44 percent shooting and 42 percent from three and held opposing small forwards to a 11.7 PER on offense and shooting guards to 8.7. With Webster he would give us a great glue SF who would space the floor and be a good defender for us trod cheap since not a lot of people know about him and with this team I believe the Pistons would competitive, but barely miss the playoffs allowing them a chance to get Wiggins or Parker in the draft or attract a big time free agent in coming next year when we have even more cap space with Charlie’s and Rodney Stuckey’s contracts (17 million in total) run out.

    • Jun 30, 20136:56 pm
      by Ryan

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      Gores sees that Joe’s luck is running out, so the level of urgency isn’t going to change. Maynor is starting down the journeyman path (the reason you couldn’t cite stats like those for Webster) and we need a starting PG. Webster would be a nice addition in that “desolate” wing spot who can make 3s, but not a real difference maker.

      But if they barely miss the playoffs, as has been stated here again and again, their lottery pick is all but certainly gone. Top 8 protection actually looks pretty smart now, as 7-8 is probably where they’ll be next season. That is, unless we can’t make the leap in 2015 and Joe’s legacy (after he’s fired) immediately haunts this team.

  • Jun 30, 20136:31 pm
    by Eric

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    He is one of the better defenders in the league, if he is on the team next year, Pistons are back in the playoffs.  Monroe could also be used then to swing a trade for a point guard or a small forward as well.

    I have never been a Monroe fan because he is a terrible shooter, doesn’t play defense, and is not athletic.    

    • Jun 30, 20136:51 pm
      by Ryan

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      Moose is a career 51% shooter and gets you 16 and 9 – better production than most 4s in the league. That said, this is the only scenario under which this deal would make sense. If they plug Smith in at 4 and trade Monroe to get more range in a 2/3 and become less “desolate at the wing positions,” they might sneak into the playoffs. Seems like a big risk considering how much money they’d need to pay Smith, though. 

      • Jun 30, 20137:00 pm
        by Filo Putz

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        First off Josh smith doesn’t like to pigeonholed as a 4. Second. An upgrade of this magnitude is not easy to find. Third. Where are you going to find equal value at the 4, one of the hardest positions to fill if they did trade Monroe..  THE TRADE MONROE TALK SHOULD STOP RIGHT NOW.

      • Jun 30, 20137:01 pm
        by Eric

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        I mean outside of the paint.  Monroe could not make a three to save his life, he said he has been working on his shot, but I don’t think he will improve much.   Pistons need to get back to DEFENSE, and if that is so lets move Monroe.

        • Jun 30, 20137:21 pm
          by Ryan

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          I’m not completely disagreeing, just not worth overpaying J. Smooth.

    • Jun 30, 20136:58 pm
      by Ryan

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      If we’re gonna trade Moose, though, we could probably get Millsap for less (Utah has plenty of bigs to replace him) and he might fit even better in this lineup.

      • Jun 30, 20137:03 pm
        by Filo Putz

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        YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE A 6’6″ POWER FORWARD THAN A 6’10″ MONROE? OH. OK. I GUESS MORE DISCUSSION IS NEED THEN. LOL

        • Jun 30, 20137:20 pm
          by Ryan

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          No, I’d rather trade Stuckey for Bledsoe and pick at 7/8 for the next 3 years (except when we hand it to the Hornets in 2015) until Monroe can go sign somewhere else…………..

          Monroe is my favorite player. I would love to see him become a lifer in Detroit, but I think they need to start considering the scenario because I don’t think the 2/3 they need is coming through free agency. 

          • Jun 30, 20139:06 pm
            by Filo Putz

            You are on the right track even though you have your facts wrong. I’m very worried about losing Monroe after next year when he becomes a RFA. It’s the Bobcats we owe the first round pick and it will probably be next year draft. I’m not positive but I think its only top 8 protected.

          • Jul 1, 201310:22 am
            by Huddy

            Fact: Charlotte will be the Hornets in 2015.
            He was saying he wants to not upgrade the roster now so that we will be within the 8th pick and keep it until 2015.
             

  • Jun 30, 20137:01 pm
    by jacob

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    sign smith then trade Monroe and Stuckey to Boston for rondo and green.

    • Jun 30, 20137:04 pm
      by jacob

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      Haha. Why don’t we try smith at the 3. Then all we need to find is a pg.

      • Jun 30, 20137:23 pm
        by Ryan

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        There are 90 million reasons not to.

        • Jun 30, 20137:55 pm
          by Blocks by Dre

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          90 million? Ok, let’s hear them…don’t worry I’ll wait lol

          • Jun 30, 20138:34 pm
            by Ryan

            $90m and 5 years… you want to be saddled until 2018?

        • Jun 30, 20139:25 pm
          by Filo Putz

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          Ryan this is the dilemma and the reason that I don’t like big splash free agents unless there top 10 in league guys. So this has to be weighed against how Smiths skill  will or won’t erode over the life of the contract. But I couldn’t be in more agreement, the number of guys who became nightmare albatrosses are many.

  • Jun 30, 20137:02 pm
    by Ryan Kelly

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    Bottom line is the Pistons will HAVE TO overpay any star to come here.  Get value outta your heads.   Iggy mayo, or josh smith aren’t coming to Detroit at a bargain.   We must overpay.   That’s just the way it is.   If the team was already a winner it would be different.   But we’re not.   Personally I rather get Wilson chandler and Paul milsap.   As opposed to josh smith or iggy alone.   There’s many ways to go but it’s been a while since joe d did anything good to upgrade the talent of the team.  He’s good at getting rid of mistakes.  don’t remember the last time he traded for or signed anyone to make the team better.  Calderon for 2 months doesn’t count.   Does joe d even remember how to do this???

    • Jun 30, 20137:10 pm
      by Filo Putz

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      I’ve always been a fan of Chandler but since his foot injury he hasn’t played up to his past level. Second Of course Paul Millsap would be a great addition as a rotation 4-5. But again would he realistically accept that role? And at what price??

      • Jun 30, 20139:04 pm
        by Russell C

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        Chandler was the Nuggets best player in the playoffs and the second half of the year

        • Jun 30, 20139:12 pm
          by Filo Putz

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          If that’s true,You must have seen different games of his than I did because from what I saw his play was far inferior to what he used to be with NYK. and when he first got to Denver

  • Jun 30, 20137:04 pm
    by Lorenzo

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    I would be on the fence with this one, Smith is probably a better 4 than a 3 at this point in his career….and while he plays excellent D and would give flexibility against athletic line ups….I would be dead scared giving him anything close to a max level offer. Perhaps if the asking price was more reasonable the thought of signing him would be rather palpable.

    Would really love a Wilson Chandler like player (skill and contract wise)….but alas liking him and actually conjuring up a deal to make it a reality are two very, very, different stories. Whatever happens, it’s going to be a tricky off-season for the club….hope things fall in place though.

  • Jun 30, 20137:12 pm
    by Eric

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    Pistons sign Josh Smith-

      Trade:

    Detroit Receives: Fill our PG and SF positions

    PG Rajon Rondo
    SF Luol Deng

    Chicago Receives:  Reduces their Salary cap and gets a couple young players for cheap.

    PG/SG Brandon Knight
    C Fab Melo

    Boston Receives:  Boston receive a somewhat established big for the next 10 years.

    PG/SG Rodney Stuckey
    PF/C Greg Monroe   

    Starting five next year:
    This will be the best defensive frontcourt in the league and could compete with the Heat if KCP can prove his selection at #8.
     
    PG Rajon Rondo
    SG KCP
    SF Luol Deng
    PF Josh Smith
    C Andre Drummond

    Reserves: Siva, English, Middleton, Singler, Villanueva, Jerebko, Mitchelll, Kravtson,  Hopefully sign one more defensive big to finish off the group   
                              

              

        

                   

    • Jun 30, 20138:18 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      We should do a 3 way
      with Boston and Atlanta…
      Where Boston gets
      Josh Smith
      & Stuckey
      Where Atlanta
      Brandon Knight & Jordan Crawford
      Pistons Get 
      Rondo
       
       
       

    • Jul 1, 20131:35 am
      by AlC

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      I would say that if you signed Smith at PF and Igoudala at SF and traded Monroe+Knight/Stuckey for Rondo/Bledsoe that that would be an intriguing team, especially defensively.  I’m not sure about it’s good enough to beat the Heat or BKN this year or even Indiana or NY, but it certainly could pull something off.  The problem is that the team would get  old and really expensive really fast if you had the combo of Rondo, Iguodala, and Smith.  

  • Jun 30, 20138:22 pm
    by STILL BELIEVE IN BK

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    I must say that that is the best proposed Monroe deal that I have ever seen lol. I don’t think Chicago does it though, they can do alot better for Deng

    • Jun 30, 20138:36 pm
      by Ryan

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      Monroe and Stuckey for Rondo has been all over this board for 2 days. That’s a cap-busting lineup that puts all its hopes on KCP being good, Deng not falling off too fast, and Rondo being the same post-injury.

  • Jun 30, 20138:59 pm
    by Russell C

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    doing this maybe Detroit is going all in on the dominant defense, fast-breaking team. I would rather have Iquodala or Wilson Chandler and Bledsoe. if any money is left over then get Martell Webster. Maybe the Clippers would take the expiring contracts of Stuckey and  Villanueva in a sign and trade for Bledsoe. If not front load the offer sheet. Either way getting both Josh and JR Smith would not be a good idea. You may make the playoffs but they both have a history of disappearing in the playoffs.

    • Jun 30, 20139:25 pm
      by Russell C

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      Damn, I thought Bledsoe was an restricted free agent. Go all in on Iggy who can help handle the ball along with Knight. Maybe Siva will turn out to be better as a pro than he looked like in college.

      • Jun 30, 20139:29 pm
        by Filo Putz

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        No it will require a trade with LAC and you’d have to accept Butler because they need cap relief.

  • Jun 30, 20139:44 pm
    by Filo Putz

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    The Pistons in my opinion made a monumental mistake trading that pick to the Bobcats in the Gordon deal. I laid out the different paths to building a team in a different post. One is by emphasising the draft and the other is by trying to clear CAP space to sign free agents. Because Gores came in with his ridiculous statements about making the playoffs right away he pretty much chose the road Dumars must travel, With 20-25 million available they are forced to fill out their roster in this way. As I said in the other post, this is destined to create a middle of the pack team that won’t be able to compete at the highest level. Getting guys on their 3rd contract unless they are top ten in league guys usually end up severely restricting the flexibility necessary to adding pieces when you get close to being competitive.

  • Jun 30, 201310:05 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    David Aldridge Reports that the pistons are going to purse Iggy …. 

    He’d be the perfect fit for this young team.. 

  • Jun 30, 201310:12 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Iggy over Josh Smith

    He has been a All-Star, Gold Medalist, Top Defensive player ..
    Versatle offensive player…

    He can help a young team like Detroit become legit play-off contenders over night 

  • Jun 30, 201311:02 pm
    by Crispus

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    Let’s get Josh and JR and have the Smith Bros. It’ll be like when we had the Wallaces.

  • Jun 30, 201311:08 pm
    by Max

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    If the Pistons sign Josh Smith the Pistons will be one of the very best defensive teams in the league and might have no peer as rebounders.   Is he a perfect fit?  No.   He doesn’t bring the shooting they need but I personally wouldn’t mind seeing the Pistons start winning most nights by holding teams under 90 again.  That would be sweet.  

  • Jul 1, 201312:12 pm
    by Slick Mcgee

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    The thing missing from this conversation is the idea that we have a need for good 3 bigs.  By signing Smith we have a huge upgrade over Maxiel. What is also missing is that we still have money to sign one of the many gifted 3 point shooters at small forward and shooting guard. They will come cheaper than Smith and are less unique in the NBA. 

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