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Pistons draft Kentavious Caldwell-Pope with No. 8 pick

The Pistons drafted Kentavious Caldwell-Pope with the No. 8 pick in the 2013 draft. Here’s our pre-draft analysis of him, as written by Patrick Hayes:

Info

  • Measurables: 6-foot-5, 205pounds, sophomore guard from Georgia
  • Key Stats: 18.5 points, 7.1 rebounds, 2.0 blocks per game; 44 percent shooting.
  • Projected: Top 15
  • Hickory High Similarity Score

Random Fact

I have a growing suspicion that Caldwell-Pope might be Detroit’s pick, and it was strengthened by Dan Feldman’s report yesterday that KCP has not worked out for the Pistons.

Joe Dumars has a bit of a history of drafting players who are a bit under the radar — Rodney Stuckey and Austin Daye, for example. Not working out KCP could mean the Pistons have zero interest in him and don’t like his game. That doesn’t make much sense to me to have a definitive conclusion like that on a consensus top 15 guy who has a skillset and plays a position that is a weakness on the roster. Or conversely, the Pistons could like him so much that they don’t want anyone else to know they are taking him that high, hence not working him out. Again, the Stuckey and Daye picks stayed relatively quiet right up until the selections were made. Caldwell-Pope is similar to those guys as a late riser. It wouldn’t make much sense for the Pistons to take him without ever working him out. But it also wouldn’t make much sense for them to have zero interest at all. Which of those similarly far-fetched scenarios is accurate though?

Fits with the Pistons because …

Caldwell-Pope is a strong wing player, a good shooter and he projects as a solid defensive player. He’s not Victor Oladipo, Ben McLemore or Otto Porter — the clear prizes on the wing in this draft — but if he can continue to hit the three at a decent rate as a pro and adjust to guarding NBA perimeter players, he wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize. The Pistons need shooting, athleticism, toughness and size on the wing, and they might be able to find some of those qualities in Caldwell-Pope.

Doesn’t fit with the Pistons because …

The Pistons go out of their way to tell everyone that Brandon Knight was a steal in the draft and that he ‘fell’ to them. In reality, Knight only ‘fell’ because he rose a bit too high in the pre-draft process. Knight was mostly considered a mid-first round pick early on in the 2011 draft season. But he used a great tournament performance, along with the fact that some big names like Harrison Barnes, Jared Sullinger, John Henson and Perry Jones decided to stay an extra year in school, to shoot up into the top five in some early projections. So Knight didn’t really ‘fall’ as much as he came back to Earth and went closer to the range that was more realistic for him.

I only highlight this because Caldwell-Pope is on a similar, seemingly out of nowhere upward trajectory. He’s more productive than Knight was in college and there are certainly legitimate reasons to take him, but he also wasn’t necessarily considered a potential top 10 pick until fairly recently. Depending on who is left on the board when the Pistons pick, taking him at eight might prove to be a reach. Maybe not an egregious one, but a reach nonetheless.

From the Experts:

Chad Ford:

Caldwell-Pope didn’t particularly shoot it well in workouts, but the more I speak with GMs and scouts, the more likely it seems that he’s going somewhere in the mid-to-late lottery. Not only are teams attracted to his shooting ability and size but many feel as if he has a great grasp for the game and could be special someday. I could see him going to a team such as the Pistons, Wolves, Blazers or Sixers.

DraftExpress:

Caldwell-Pope’s biggest weapon when he looked to score was his pull-up jump shot. With nearly three-quarters of his shot attempts coming from the perimeter in the half court, roughly half of which were off the bounce, he scored a second ranked 1.118 points per-shot as a pull-up jump shooter, an impressive mark relative to his average 1.066 points per-shot in catch and shoot situations

On film:

201 Comments

  • Jun 27, 20138:40 pm
    by jacob

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    PG in the 2nd RD. Do we trade for Dallas pick now?

    • Jun 27, 201310:09 pm
      by tarsier

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      All it took to get that pick was two future second rounders. And Dumars didn’t get it. And he passed on Burke! What the heck, Joe?

      The Pistons could have Burke and quite possibly KCP would still have been there at 13. And if not, Muhammad would be. This could have been an amazing draft.

      • Jun 27, 201310:20 pm
        by jacob

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        it took a 1st rounder. Glad we don’t have shabazz or McLemore. They really seem uneducated. Kcp might end up being better than oladipo and McLemore. I do like burke a lot but I am not sold on how good he will really be in the pros. Kcp could be a stud.

        • Jun 27, 201310:51 pm
          by tarsier

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          If the worst thing you can say about them is that they are uneducated, that’s a damn good sign.

          • Jun 27, 201311:08 pm
            by jacob

            I was trying to be nice.

  • Jun 27, 20139:00 pm
    by Byron

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    • Jun 28, 20133:06 am
      by Ryan

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      Unfortunately, you were right. The question is whether you think that means Joe should be out if we’re headed for the lottery again in February.

  • Jun 27, 20139:14 pm
    by Max

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    I’ve been a tireless supporter of Dumars as GM but after Cheeks and passing on Burke I’m starting to feel he should be fired.   Maybe Joe was captured by a robot and replaced with a spy cyborg designed by the Bulls to destroy the Pistons.   I’m disgusted and have never been so pessimistic about the Pistons future.  

  • Jun 27, 20139:15 pm
    by Reaction

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    Fire Dumars. Now. Gores.

  • Jun 27, 20139:15 pm
    by Max

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    I’ve been a tireless supporter of Dumars as GM but after Cheeks and passing on Burke I’m starting to feel he should be fired.   Maybe Joe was captured by a robot and replaced with a spy cyborg designed by the Bulls to destroy the Pistons.   I’m disgusted and have never been so pessimistic about the Pistons future.  I hope someone can convince me I’m wrong because this is going to be a very long summer as a Pistons fan.  

  • Jun 27, 20139:18 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Listen , nuffin against Pope .. We blew this draft …. 

  • Jun 27, 20139:20 pm
    by A1

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    I don’t care with anyone says I LIKE the pick!!! 

    • Jun 27, 20139:35 pm
      by JMRS

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      Same. I think we are just seeing backlash from UofM fans because they are upset that we passed on Burke. When if you really think about it, do we really need 3 undersized PGs? Knight will do just fine as he develops and hopefully we can pick up a key guy in the off season. Perhaps trade Stuckey?
       

      • Jun 27, 201310:02 pm
        by tarsier

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        I don’t give a rat’s ass about the Wolverines. But Burke was far and away the best player left on the board and he filled a need.

        Damn you, Dumars. 

        • Jun 27, 201311:44 pm
          by Who Is Us?

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          It’s the right pick. Detroit needed a SG more than they needed a PG out of this Draft.
          Here is the reason why: What do Jose Calderon, D.J. Augustin, Beno Udrih, Jeff Teague, Darren Collison, Jarrett Jack, Brandon Jennings, Eric Maynor, Kyle Lowrey, and Eric Bledsoe all have in common? They are all available via Free Agency or Trade and they are ALL better than Trey Burke, MCW, and CJMc!!
          I would much rather give Brandon Knight another season or trade for a guy like Bledsoe or work a sign and trade for Collison than have Trey Burke. I loved him at Michigan, I just don’t see it translating to the NBA. I hope he does well and proves me wrong, but I’m just not seeing it.

          • Jun 28, 201312:16 am
            by tarsier

            Burke’s floor is better than most of those guys. His ceiling kicks all of their asses.

          • Jun 28, 20133:15 am
            by Ryan

            Mo Williams, Mayo, Martin, Belinelli, Clark, Henderson, Tyreke (who’s probably gone now), Budinger, Young, Wright, Webster, Korver…

            The Pistons have mediocre options on the wings in free agency just the same. Unless we can get a knockout at either position – which we probably can’t just through a signing – that argument is a wash. Korver and Webster were in the top 20 in 3PT% last year and are proven to help spread the floor.  

      • Jun 28, 20133:10 am
        by Ryan

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        Stuckey is out by the end of the season, hopefully February. Knight is still potentially a good trade chip. Down to 1 “undersized” guard (that must mean you’re low on Bledsoe) very quickly.

    • Jun 28, 201312:17 am
      by Lorenzo

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      I love the KCP pick, solid one-on-one defender and great shooter with ideal size, other than McLemore he’s the one guy at the top that stood out more than anyone else. It’s not the sexy pick of Burke perhaps but it’s by and far the most sensible fit; the young fella should fit in very well with roster as it stands.

      • Jun 28, 201312:35 am
        by City of Klompton

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        The thing he has that Burke doesn’t is that size and athleticism.  Otherwise, Burke is actually a better shooter than KCP.  If we were looking for shooting and athleticism, then this was the right pick.  Otherwise, I’m not too sure I agree.  

        KCP cannot penetrate for the life of him, and he’s been prone to making some really poor shot selection choices.  Unless he can consistently play D at a high level, we may have just drafted J.R. Smith.  (Not that that’s a bad thing, but that is probably his ceiling.)

        • Jun 28, 20133:06 am
          by Lorenzo

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          I think you have to put that into perspective as well; at times his shot selection was poor, no doubt, and however you slice it up he has to read the game better on that side of the floor. But there are a couple of caveats: first he made a lot of those insane shots, second him being the offensive engine of that team, he had to take a lot of shots, good or bad. 

          As far as dribble penetration, yes he is weak in that department, he doesn’t have the handles to be that type of player, and I don’t think he ever will either….it was never his game. He is a pull up shooter and a very good slasher that moves well without the ball. I think his size and athleticism were a big part of why we drafted him…and rightfully so….I think it would be fair to say. The JR Smith comparison is a reasonable one to make at this point…though I think his D’ and discipline to the sport might be better than JR’s ever was, he is still green (with excellent raw tools), lets see how he develops. 

          Him and Burke are decidedly different players with different attributes good and bad, both I think have opportunities to be good players in this league. But in the end they were both on the same tier as far as talent goes….so the question has to be who fits better with the nucleus of the roster? For me the answer was Pope…and those physical attributes among other basketball skills certainly played an integral part in that conclusion. Time will tell I suppose, but I like the pick right now.

  • Jun 27, 20139:25 pm
    by mike

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    This was supposed to be the biggest off-season in franchise history. So far we F’d up the coach and now the draft. As soon as Joe overpays some scrub in FA it’ll be 3 strikes and out for Fat Boy Joey

  • Jun 27, 20139:30 pm
    by TacticalBear

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    I have always been high on KCP. What he did on that God awful Georgia squad was nothing short of amazing.

    If you are looking for a reason to be encouraged, look at those rebounding numbers. One very consistent sign of plus athleticism in guards is rebound rate. Snagging 8 boards a game is very impressive for someone KCP’s size.

    Put it all together, and you’ve got a highly athletic, decent sized two guard who is one of the best shooters off the bounce in the draft. If he can catch and shoot, and his plus athleticism translates to defense and the ability to get to the rack, you’ve got an above average NBA SG. I think he’s a better pro than Knight, with solid upside and the floor of a backup 3/D guard.

    Be patient. The Pistons needed somebody who was going to overperform at the next level, and KCP, is as good a bet as anyone to do that.

    • Jun 28, 201312:39 am
      by City of Klompton

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      I’m not sure I entirely agree with you.  Unless he develops a dribble-drive game (which he has about zero of at this point), I think his ceiling is a solid, backup 3/D guy.

      That being said, watching highlight videos that included him boxing out much taller, (allegedly) stronger players to grab boards was a beautiful thing. 

  • Jun 27, 20139:41 pm
    by Sop

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    KCP scored very high on advanced analytics. He’s more aggressive and can create his own shot more than McLemore. Just trying to be positive…
    As an MSU fan it would have been hard to cheer for Burke so that’s nice.
    KCP? Really????

  • Jun 27, 20139:51 pm
    by brandow

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    did this guy really average 2 blocks a game. i mean he is a SG not a center or PF. he can also shoot. so here is my idea. now that we got our future SG, we need a future PG and knight is not it. i say trade knight or stuckey or even both for a PG who is a pass first player. we can try to target CP3 in free agency but we all know that would never happen. i also heard that burke was traded to the utah jazz, so a good trade will be knight for burke and gordon hayward(this guy is an amazing all-around player and can fit well since the pistons other missing piece is a SF). now here is the starting lineup i personally would see work out.
    PG. trey burke
    SG. KCP
    SF. gordon hayward
    PF. greg monroe
    C. andre drummond
    also i believe now is a hire chance the pistons could bring back caldron.      

    • Jun 27, 201310:04 pm
      by ryan

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      Brandon Knight is the guy and you’ll see it next season.

    • Jun 27, 201310:21 pm
      by Eddie

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      Knight for Burke and Hayward? The Jazz front office would fall out of their chairs laughing…

    • Jun 27, 201310:43 pm
      by Bullshit Trade Police

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      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…. whew…. HAHAHAHAHAHA

      • Jun 27, 201311:50 pm
        by hirobeats

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        Greatest post name and comment tandem ever. 

    • Jun 28, 20133:14 am
      by Lorenzo

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      Why would the Jazz even waste a breath on that trade? Beyond the unbalanced swap that it is, the Jazz passed on Knight a couple of years ago when he was in the running for the third overall pick….when the Jazz desperately needed a one. Don’t think they are big fans of his.

  • Jun 27, 20139:51 pm
    by Max

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    This pick was all about reassuring Knight.  The Cheeks hire was about improving Knight.  Everything seems to be revolving around Knight.   Hope his improvement is worth it.   Joe must be betting on Knight.  

    • Jun 28, 201312:42 am
      by City of Klompton

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      Hey, remember when he did that with Rodney Stuckey?  This is going to be aweso… er, wait a minute…

      • Jun 28, 201310:25 am
        by KaBa

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        Now please tell me you have been one of those who knew alalong that Stuckey is not going to make it. Everyone was hoping for Stuckey, and the thing about him is that he had those flashes where you could think WOW. In the end it was gamble that didn’t pay out. I’m OK with it. Personally I don’t see the hurry to get to the Playoffs. Going to the playoffs doesn’t make you a contender. And the Pistons aren’t that bad like everyone is saying here.

  • Jun 27, 20139:51 pm
    by acr

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    I think that Caldwell-Pope has a shot to be a good player.  I don’t have a problem with this pick, we needed a wing shooter with some defensive potential and we got one.

  • Jun 27, 20139:54 pm
    by AlC

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    “In reality, Knight only ‘fell’ because he rose a bit too high in the pre-draft process. Knight was mostly considered a mid-first round pick early on in the 2011 draft season.”
    Sounds a lot like Trey Burke.  Ridding the coattails of beating up on so-so non-conference teams and a single big game against Kansas. 
    If Burke had played for USC, no one would show him the love they do on this board.
     

    • Jun 27, 201310:11 pm
      by ryan

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      Exactly. And the Chris Paul comparison is ridiculous. Chris Paul is faster and stronger and was even in college.
       

      • Jun 28, 201312:19 am
        by tarsier

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        Paul is his ceiling. He is unlikely to get there. His floor, though, is pretty much Calderon (good ball handler, passer, shooter but struggles on D). Odds are eh winds up somewhere between. Which is a lot better than KCP will be. His ceiling is Wes Matthews/Danny Green/Jimmy Butler.

        • Jun 28, 20133:28 am
          by Lorenzo

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          Don’t think he will ever get to a Paul ceiling…he just doesn’t have the physical gift for that. I think best case scenario (and I mean if he hits every single bench mark) would probably be Conley (pretty good IMO) worst case would DJ Augustin or Watson. He probably falls somewhere in the middle of that spectrum…should have a long solid career….though can’t ever see him being a franchise player like Paul.

          • Jun 28, 20139:15 am
            by tarsier

            He is already better than Augustin and Watson. Paul is a long shot, but Conley (with better passing and worse D) is more like a reasonable expectation than a ceiling.

        • Jun 28, 201311:05 am
          by oats

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          I agree that Burke is a better prospect, but I disagree with the idea that Pope’s ceiling is Wes Matthews. We’re talking about a 20 year old college guy that put up 18 points a game while getting zero help having a ceiling of roughly 15 points a game in the pros. I think that’s too low. Pope’s a better player than Matthews was in college, he is much more athletic than Wes, and he is younger. Yeah, Matthews overachieved some, but not enough to make that Pope’s ceiling. I would say that Pope’s ceiling involves him finding a dibble penetration game and being a very different kind of player than Wes entirely.

    • Jun 27, 201311:00 pm
      by Jon

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      that’s a joke right? burke having a single big game? did you even watch any basketball games the past two years? burke was routinely the best player on the floor in conference play the past two years in the best conference in basketball. his non-conference play was not what got him recognized, it was him being consistent offense against top notch defense night in night out.

      • Jun 28, 20131:56 am
        by AlC

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        Burke went from a 15 pick to “Must Have” in the eyes of Pistons fans right around Tourney Time.  If not for the Kansas Stunner, there wouldn’t be quite this level of infatuation.   Before, what gave him the big jump from Big 10 Player of the Year candidate to Naismith Award was the undefeated Non-Con run. Look at his shooting numbers against Wisconsin, Ohio St. and Indiana.Top notch defense?  Are you serious?
        People like Shabazz and MCW, but they could see their potential flaws and weren’t married to them.  But people have an emotional attachment to Burke that is causing them to see things that aren’t there and ignore things that are.

        • Jun 28, 20139:27 am
          by tarsier

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          The tourney games shouldn’t be over-inflated. but it’s also not fair to ignore them. They are just as much a part of a player’s resume as everything else.

          Sure, Burke was better against the non-conference opponents than the tougher ones. but that’s true of every top prospect. The difference is that Burke’s stock rose during the conference schedule because his play didn’t drop off as much as most when playing harder games. That’s a good sign as at the next level, he’ll be facing tougher opponents every night.

          For some reason, a handful of you want to attribute our love of Burke to being Wolverines fans. I’m sure that’s true for a few. But plenty of people who don’t care about the Wolverines, like myself, love him too. And you are discounting the fact that there are probably Spartan fans who have an especially negative view of Burke.

          Burke easily outplayed Bazz and MCW. That is a fact. It is agreed upon by most people. That’s why he was the player of the year and they weren’t close. 

  • Jun 27, 20139:57 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Now I Will Call HIM KCP for the first time

    Welcome to Detroit 

  • Jun 27, 20139:59 pm
    by jacob

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    I really like burke. But kcp could be one of the best players in this draft. I consider trey to be an average pg in the NBA. Kcp could be a top sg in the NBA and much better defense.

    • Jun 28, 20138:20 am
      by G

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      This was a weird draft, there are like 10 different guys that could be the best player in the draft. Burke was a better player & filled a need. I like KCP’s potential, but this was a BAD pick.

  • Jun 27, 201310:02 pm
    by ryan

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    I’m very, very happy with this draft. We picked the best talent and he also happened to be the best fit. A whole lot of people are bitching right now but I feel like Joe Dumars is back. This is the kind of under the radar move that made the team great.

    I hope that it signals that we’re going to develop the core we have and spend judiciously. A starting line up of Brandon Knight, KCP, Khris Middleton, Andre Drummond and Greg Monroe is young, talented and ready to grow together. Then we’ve got Kyle Singler, Vladaslov (spelling) Kravtsov, Jonas Jerebko and even Rodney Stuckey as useful bench guys or trade pieces.

    Trey Burke will get to try his hand at defending larger, faster guards in Utah and while I doubt hel’ll be effective I wish him well.

  • Jun 27, 201310:06 pm
    by Pistons87

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    Love the pick. Good luck to Trey (Go Blue!). But I’m a Pistons fan first I and I thought KCP was the better NBA prospecTy and a perfect fit for this team. 

  • Jun 27, 201310:12 pm
    by Vince

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    I really like this pick. I’ve seen a lot of people call for Dumars’ head but I don’t understand it, I was 50/50 when Burke dropped, KCP was the guy I’d pegged as a future Piston, and although I am a Michigan fan I think we took the right player at 8. Taking KCP over Burke does suggest that Dumars must be hoping Knight learns to pass very soon, either that or there is a trade in the works. One thing is for sure though: it is officially the end of the Rodney Stuckey era.

    • Jun 27, 201310:55 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      Im all in for the Pistons , so im all in for KCP… Imma max out his potential… Slightly different Body types but I want him to become Paul George 2.0

    • Jun 28, 20133:33 am
      by Ryan

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      There will be a chorus of mea culpas if:
      1) The team gets into the playoffs
      2) Cheeks doesn’t look lost/lose the team/bench players inexplicably
      3) Knight actually develops into a solid starter or brings back one in a trade (and doesn’t devolve into Stuckey 2.0)
      4) Joe manages to sign/absorb 2-3 players who actually fit 
      5) KCP hits his ceiling
      6) Burke hits his floor
      7) The Moose and Dre experiment actually works
      8) Stuckey and Villanueva are either shockingly improved or clearly on their way out

      Oh, and given Gores’ tepid endorsements after the season, all of this probably has to happen next year.  Given the pace of change and the success of “experiments” over the past 5-7 years, you would take that bet? 

      This isn’t necessarily a bad pick, especially if this turns out to be such a weak draft that everybody in it flops hard. But it seems like an insanely risky pick and if it even looks like we might regret it by the end of the season (which, in context, seems more likely than not), Joe should be gone. 

      • Jun 28, 201310:48 am
        by Huddy

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        So people will look stupid if everything goes one way and other people will look stupid if everything goes the other…sure of course thats true.

        • Jun 28, 201312:00 pm
          by Ryan

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          If you really need me to clarify, I’m saying that those of us who are against what’s happening think the odds are much better that these are the same types of moves the Pistons have been making for 5 years now – could always be wrong, but it looks like history repeating.

  • Jun 27, 201310:34 pm
    by gtg2013

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    Joe D: Ha ha! Fooled you! I was going to pick KCP all along!
    Utah Jazz GM [gleefully scrambling to package a trade for the still-available Trey Burke]: You the man, Joe! You got me there!
    Portland GM: [giggling gleefully as he snaps up McCollum]: I admit it! You got me! Good one, Joe!

    • Jun 27, 201310:45 pm
      by Worm

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      What makes them significantly better prospects than KCP? Especially McCollum, seems like a shorter KCP with a better handle.

    • Jun 27, 201310:54 pm
      by tarsier

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      I’d rather have KCP than McCollum. But Burke is a way better prospect. He has superstar upside and his floor is comparable to KCP’s. Only Porter and Oladipo in this draft have higher floors. KCP will be solid, but he has no upside.

      • Jun 28, 201312:05 am
        by frankie d

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        exaexactly.  he is a solid pick.  a guy who i’d have been happy to take at 13 or beyond.  but with more talented players, players who fit a greater need – PG – for the team, this goes into the “another f-up by dumars category that has gotten long and deep over the last few years.
        nothing against pope, who will probably be a good-to-near-all-star player over the next decade – as i’ve posted before, he’s rip hamilton-lite – but when you have a chance to get either burke or mccollum, both of whom will be much better players, and who fit a greater need, how you pass on those to reach for a guy like pope is ….well…just another f-up by joe d.
        i am dreading the FA season.
        here comes the max offer to josh smith. 

        • Jun 28, 20138:23 am
          by Who Is Us?

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          There is absolutely ZERO evidence that either McCollum or Burke will be great. ZERO!

          • Jun 28, 20139:31 am
            by tarsier

            Wrong. There is no proof. We don’t know the future. But there is evidence. And there is evidence that KCP won’t be great. That said, I am now begrudgingly a Pope fan and I hope he turns out to be as good as Wes Matthews, which is totally plausible.

  • Jun 27, 201310:38 pm
    by MoJo

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    To me it’s a decent pick we get a true SG for once to complement Knight. This could be a very good young backcourt paired with a great young front court. Now we just need a good F/A signing im saying iggy and we’ll be alright.

    PG- Knight
    SG- KCP
    SF- Iggy
    PF- Monroe
    C- Drummond 

    • Jun 28, 20133:36 am
      by Ryan

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      Iggy isn’t coming. We need to trade to trade Monroe to get a starter of his caliber.

      • Jun 28, 20139:34 am
        by tarsier

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        Why trade MOnroe? What fair value will the Pistons get? And then there is just a different hole to fill. If the Pistons have already signed one of Millsap/Smoove/Jefferson, fine, trade Monroe. But right now it would just be stupid unless they are clearly getting a superior player.

        • Jun 28, 201310:19 am
          by Ryan

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          That’s the scenario under which they’d trade him – and it’s about the only way they can even sniff the playoffs this year.

          • Jun 28, 201310:53 am
            by G

            I don’t get why Detroit needs to trade Monroe to get Iguodala though. Iggy opted out so he’s up for grabs, and the Pistons have plenty of money to throw at him. Not that I think he’s worth more than say $10-$12M a year…

          • Jun 28, 201311:09 am
            by Ryan

            Iggy’s not coming one way or another. I don’t think the Pistons will offer the exorbitant amount he’d want to leave Denver (which, as you said, is a good choice), and Dallas or somebody probably overpays him anyway.
             
            I guess Rondo for Knight/Stuckey/1st helps Danny Ainge shoot for Wiggins next year, so maybe that happens and you have a PG with targets for the first time in a long time – that’s so new, obviously, as a result of the Pierce/Garnett deal.
             
            Outside of that, this team probably can’t significantly improve without moving Monroe. Both the FA and trade market are pretty thin. I would call San Antonio and ask about Kawhi (but only if we can get Millsap or similar to replace him).
             
            (For the record, Monroe is my favorite player, but I think the team would be better off if it can get value for him and replace him with a solid big man. I don’t see Stuckey/Knight garnering much, but maybe we’ll see a bunch of tanks willing to take 25 cents on the dollar to try and get Wiggins)

          • Jun 28, 201312:02 pm
            by Matt

            I don’t think the Spurs would even return the call for a Monroe for Kwaii trade. They see him as their future Monroe wouldn’t be enough Drummond would have to go. Worth a try though worse they can do is hang up.

            There are a few players out there like bledsoe or Shumpert. Buttler and Crawford from the Clippers. We need to feed off the teams shedding cap space for Dwight and Iggy. Thats why I think Denver’s a good place to go because they still want Brewer and Iggy. Someone might become available. Bad thing though with trades you have to give someone up too and do we have anyone that will entice a team to give up a good player? The guys we want to trade are expensive and won’t help a team shed cap space until after this season.

          • Jun 28, 201312:20 pm
            by Ryan

            @Matt Hopefully a good option surfaces before we end up trading for Rondo.

  • Jun 27, 201310:50 pm
    by tarsier

    Reply

    On the plus side, Dumars isn’t the biggest idiot of the day. That honor belongs to Demps. ALso, there are several nice players left on the board for the second round. Hopefully the Pistons can get one of McCallum, Jackson, Rice, and Mitchell.

    • Jun 27, 201310:54 pm
      by Worm

      Reply

      I guess I don’t understand the hate for KCP. I’m not sure he is a slam dunk but I’m not sure Burke is either. They’re the same age, average similar PPG, similar percentages, KCP averaged more boards/steals, Burke more assists. Agree on the 2nd rounders though.

      • Jun 27, 201310:57 pm
        by tarsier

        Reply

        Neither is a slam dunk. And they do have comparable floors. But Burke’s ceiling is way higher.

        KCP would have been in my top ten. And I would have been fine with him if Porter, McLemore, Bennett, Noel, Burke, Oladipo were all off the board. But Burke was still there.

    • Jun 27, 201311:08 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      Wow, it’s looking like all 4 will be there for Detroit’s pick. i don’t even know which one I want Joe to choose. Probably Mitchell. Worst fit but the most upside.

  • Jun 27, 201311:01 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    Imma a all in Pistons fan, So im all in for KCP…

    Im liking him to Paul George , different body type…same type player… Im banking on him becoming Paul George 2.0 

  • Jun 27, 201311:12 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    Glen Rice Jr, CJ Lesie, or Ledo, Franklin, tony Mitchell would make me happy…we need to get athletic

  • Jun 27, 201311:15 pm
    by jacob

    Reply

    I really don’t think you can compare kcp and burke. How is burke’s ceiling higher? It might even be less than a dynamic 2 gaurd. If burke cannot handle the athleticism of the NBA he may never be better than a backup.

    • Jun 28, 20138:50 am
      by Crispus

      Reply

      Andre Miller isn’t very athletic, and he’s had a long a fruitful career.

      • Jun 28, 20139:05 am
        by Worm

        Reply

        Yeah but he is much, much bigger than Burke and is a better passer/defender.

        • Jun 28, 20139:42 am
          by G

          Reply

          Uh, Miller is approx 1 inch taller than Burke. Heavier, yeah, but not that much taller. The better passer/defender part you can attribute to Miller’s experience in the league. He didn’t come out of college with better passing/defending skills than Burke has.

    • Jun 28, 20139:37 am
      by tarsier

      Reply

      Burke has average athleticism for an NBA PG. And his size is a tiny bit below average. So those aren’t his strengths, but they’re not really weaknesses either.

    • Jun 28, 201310:24 am
      by Ryan

      Reply

      Joe just compared them and determined he liked KCP more. Hopefully he’s right. Obviously, many of us highly doubt that he is.

  • Jun 27, 201311:18 pm
    by jacob

    Reply

    ya Tony Mitchell

    • Jun 27, 201311:28 pm
      by Russell C

      Reply

      feel better now about the draft  after getting Mitchell. I would have been happy with Ledo as well. Now let him start bringing like Fareid since that’s who he compared himself to

    • Jun 27, 201311:32 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      Dumars did something right tonight.

      Green Jackson, Leslie, and Ledo are the only guys left I have any interest in. If none are left at 56, I hope the Pistons grab someone who won’t be in the US for a couple years.

  • Jun 27, 201311:32 pm
    by acr

    Reply

    In other news, from Goodwill’s twitter feed:
     @vgoodwill: Sources confirm report about Sheed possibly joining the #Pistons coaching staff with Mo Cheeks

  • Jun 27, 201311:53 pm
    by Filo Putz

    Reply

    Still too much talk about Burke.. Doesn’t anyone here understand that their was a big drop in talent after the top 7 and that burke would not significantly improve the Pistons. There greatest need for upgrade, in order are, the 2, the 3, a rotational 4-5, then point guard!!!

    • Jun 28, 201312:21 am
      by tarsier

      Reply

      “There greatest need for upgrade, in order are, the 2, the 3, a rotational 4-5, then point guard!!!”

      How did you come to be so deluded? They don’t have one player who has ever played PG competently under contract.

      • Jun 28, 201312:29 am
        by Filo Putz

        Reply

        Oh ok  I get it now.  you would have prefered they take Burke because he is such a significant upgrade over Knight. Your right they probably would have won a championship if they would have taken him. What was I thinking.

        • Jun 28, 20131:16 am
          by Filo Putz

          Reply

          I was making a joke but reading your other posts you really think that Burke is an All Star-Future HOF guy. Talk about delusional.LOL

        • Jun 28, 20139:49 am
          by G

          Reply

          Tarsier didn’t actually say anything about Burke, he was saying you’re deluded because you somehow don’t think PG is a need.

          I tend to agree with him, especially on this. I think Burke will be good (probably not REALLY good though), but if you don’t, that’s fine by me. What I don’t get is why you think PG is the last thing Detroit needs (after a backup big???). Tarsier asked how PG isn’t a need, since the Pistons don’t have a competent PG under contract. You response was pretty moronic.

          So, explain to me how PG isn’t a need on this team, and leave Burke the fuck out of it. 

          • Jun 28, 201310:00 pm
            by Filo Putz

            I said it was a lower priority than the others I cited. I Didn’t say it was a need that could t ignored——————————————————————————————-

        • Jun 28, 20139:50 am
          by G

          Reply

          Tarsier didn’t actually say anything about Burke, he was saying you’re deluded because you somehow don’t think PG is a need.

          I tend to agree with him, especially on this. I think Burke will be good (probably not REALLY good though), but if you don’t, that’s fine by me. What I don’t get is why you think PG is the last thing Detroit needs (after a backup big???). Tarsier asked how PG isn’t a need, since the Pistons don’t have a competent PG under contract. Your response was pretty moronic.

          So, explain to me how PG isn’t a need on this team, and leave Burke the fuck out of it. 

          • Jun 28, 201310:53 am
            by Crispus

            Well duh, when you add Stuckey and Knight together you get a full point guard. And who know Siva could be the next Carlos Arroyo. 

          • Jun 28, 201311:36 am
            by G

            Did you really just say that? Or are you being sarcastic?

            In case you’re not, when have 2 combo guards equaled one PG? 2 combo guards add up to equal… 2 combo guards. Not 1 PG and 1 SG. All they get you are 2 players that are bad at making entry passes & turning it over. If Siva turns into the next Carlos Arroyo, I guess that’s great for the 56th pick, but I don’t see how it helps the Pistons that much. 

  • Jun 28, 201312:01 am
    by Who Is Us?

    Reply

    It’s the right pick. Detroit needed a SG more than they needed a PG out of this Draft.
    Here is the reason why: What do Jose Calderon, D.J. Augustin, Beno Udrih, Jeff Teague, Darren Collison, Jarrett Jack, Brandon Jennings, Eric Maynor, Kyle Lowrey, and Eric Bledsoe all have in common? They are all available via Free Agency or Trade and they are ALL better than Trey Burke, MCW, and CJMc!!
    I would much rather give Brandon Knight another season or trade for a guy like Bledsoe or work a sign and trade for Collison than have Trey Burke. I loved him at Michigan, I just don’t see it translating to the NBA. I hope he does well and proves me wrong, but I’m just not seeing it.
    With Burke Going to Utah everyone is gonna see real quick whether he struggles defensively and if his offense can make up for it. Being in Utah’s pick-and-roll offense will definitely be good for Burke, but just out there in the Western Conference he is gonna have to put the D on Nash, Lillard, Curry, Westbrook, Linn, Parker, Paul, Lawson, Conley, Dragic, and now Holiday. On top of D-in them up, he’s gotta try to score on them and he’s giving up size to ALL of them except Lawson and Paul.

    • Jun 28, 201312:16 am
      by frankie d

      Reply

      @ who is us
      the great thing about sports is that we ultimately get to see who is right and who is wrong.
      i think you are dead wrong about burke.  i think he is going to be a very good point guard in the league and the pistons will be searching for a burke style PG for the next decade.  fans will wonder why they haven’t been able to fill that hole and some folks will forget that they had a chance to fill it with that guy…burke.
      i am going to be an a-hole about it and remind all of you folks who applauded passing on burke.
      as i’ve said, nothing against pope, who will be a solid pro, but right now, a PG like burke is a much greater need and the idea that joe passed on burke to draft a guy like pope is just one more indication that he has lost it and needs to go.
      same thing with the second round pick.
      i’d actually thought that mitchell would be a solid gamble for the second round. but with wolters and muscala right there, i would have taken either of those guys before mitchell.
      low BB IQ players with bad motors are worth a gamble, but when you have two guys like muscala and wolters sitting there, i’d pass on the gamble and take the surer thing. i  hope  joe d is gone sooner rather than later. 
      he doesn’t have a clue.
      btw, as of july 1, who is the PG for the team? 

      • Jun 28, 201312:39 am
        by Who Is Us?

        Reply

        Like I said, I hope for Burke’s sake that I’m wrong. I wish nothing but the best for him. I just don’t see him as being the best player for Detroit.
         
        As of July 1 based on the roster it has to be Brandon Knight. I still believe he can be very good. Just remember, NOBODY thought that Chauncey Billups would become what he did after his first couple years either. Now, I’m not saying BK can be Chauncey, I’m saying it is possible to improve and become a very good PG with the right coaching. The question is, can Mo Cheeks be BK’s Larry Brown? None of us can answer that.
         
        I think that Peyton Siva is a very good pickup late in the 2nd round and could be a better version of Will Bynum. I look forward to seeing what Free agency and trade moves are ahead. This was just the first stage of the off season retool/rebuild.
         
        There are a lot of very good PG’s out there if you/JoeD don’t believe in Brandon Knight. There are a number of good teams looking to shed salary who could be willing to send back a good young vet piece. I just think people got WAY too emotionally attached to Trey Burke, or at least the idea of what they want Trey Burke to be. Be patient, the off season is just beginning.
         

        • Jun 28, 20132:11 am
          by frankie d

          Reply

          Emotion has nothing to do with the fact that the national player of the year, at a position of need was there fir the taking and  joe passed on him.
          Time will tell  if that was a wise or foolish move but right now the team’s only point guard is a young player – knight – who has pretty much proven that he cannot play the position.
          Imho, the team’s other weaknesses could have been greatly mitigated by the presence of a PG like burke, but joe d obviously disagrees.
          The bright side of this evening’s screw up is that i think it is the final nail in joe d’s coffin.  Between cheeks’ mediocre coaching and the chaos on court – unless calderone re-signs – next year will probably be joe d’s last.  As a longtime fan i am just sorry it will have taken so long.

          • Jun 28, 201311:53 am
            by tarsier

            It is also very important to note that this is a sophomore national player of the year, not a senior. That alone makes him a much better prospect than the likes of Jimmer.

    • Jun 28, 201312:17 am
      by Filo Putz

      Reply

      This is an astute post something I can’t say about most of what I see on this board. The sad pat though is Sac’s pick of Mclemore at 7 and the pistons pick of Pope at 8 reminded me of the lions draft when Steve Hutchison fell Seattle took him the pick before the lions  who then took Backus.

  • Jun 28, 201312:08 am
    by Who Is Us?

    Reply

    • Jun 28, 201312:23 am
      by tarsier

      Reply

      But what was the point? Nobody was taking KCP before 8 anyway.

      • Jun 28, 20139:57 am
        by G

        Reply

        Agree. A lot of smoke & mirrors without any tactical advantage. 

  • Jun 28, 201312:26 am
    by tarsier

    Reply

    Well the Pistons didn’t just double down on Knight as a rotation caliber player, but as a starting PG. This just sucks. I guess there’s always a chance they sign Teague, the only decent PG available who is not Calderon-old.

    • Jun 28, 201312:52 am
      by frankie d

      Reply

      exactly.
      joe dumars just told everyone that he thinks that brandon knight is still his point guard of the future.
      we will see if he is right.
      not too optimistic here.
      unless calderone signs – which is doubtful – it looks like a return to the knight/stuckey tandem at PG.
      what an ugly idea.
      and while burke and  mccollum are killing it other places, pope is going to be dying here because he has no one to get him the BB on a consistent basis.
      what madness…. 

    • Jun 28, 20131:06 am
      by Max

      Reply

      I’m hoping for Iggy at this point because he could fill in some of the playmaking the point guards lack.  If not, even Josh Smith is a much better passer and turns the ball over less than Knight.   

      • Jun 28, 201312:01 pm
        by tarsier

        Reply

        Both are nice players. Not great shooters, but right now Detroit could use more talent of any variety. The big question for either one is the price tag.

    • Jun 28, 20131:25 am
      by Who Is Us?

      Reply

      If you don’t believe in BK:
       
      Bledsoe is the best available, the question is, do the Pistons have the assets to get him? After the Clips drafter Bullock and with Crawford still on the roster, I doubt they would be very interested in Stuckey unless they wanted to ship out another contract and cut him for the $4mill he’s guaranteed for this season. Maybe Joe D could convince them that they need a stretch 4 and could get them to take a package centered around Charlie V (maybe through in Knight)? That would make everyone happy, but not a very likely scenario (its really the only scenario that I would be willing to send out BK).
       
      Eric Maynor played well for the Thunder/Blazers when he got the chance. With Lillard and now McCollum in Portland, they may not want to spend much to keep the restricted free agent who could still be a good starter if given the opportunity.
       
      Darren Collison is a UFA and could be had for a reasonable salary. It looks as though the Mavs will have to let him leave since they are clearing salary for a run at D12. He’s a good free throw shooter, slightly above average 3pt shooter, a good distributor, gets to the rim and is a tough defender.
       
      Brandon Jennings is a RFA, but how much will the Bucks be looking to spend? I like his game and he could fit well with the Pistons.
       
      Personally if Detroit isn’t committed to Knight as their starter I would lean towards Collison or Jennings because they are free agents and wouldn’t require the Pistons to give up anything in return. Even with either of those two on board, I still want Knight on the team especially as the  3rd guard rather than Stuckey.
       
      I Joe can swing that and go after a guy like J.J. Hickson as the 1st big off the bench, and bring in a solid back up SG and /or SF I think that Detroit is a playoff team next year.

      • Jun 28, 20131:39 am
        by Who Is Us?

        Reply

        Apparently Rondo may also be available if the Celts are gonna completely blow it up, but again, do the Pistons have what it takes to get him?

        • Jun 28, 20139:49 am
          by Matt

          Reply

          No, Boston wants picks in next years draft. Plus Rondo’s a psycho and that spots already filled by Stuckey.

          • Jun 28, 201310:28 am
            by G

            Being a MUCH better player than Stuckey, they should get Rondo & dump Stuckey. I wonder if Boston would take Knight, Stuckey, and a first-rounder in 2015 or ’16.

          • Jun 28, 201310:40 am
            by Ryan

            We can’t send a 1st rounder in 2015, and they might be interested in stock piling picks in 2016, but we’ll be looking at another “why the hell did we give away our 1st-rd pick” moment if we do that.

          • Jun 28, 201310:56 am
            by G

            You wouldn’t trade a 1st round pick for Rondo?

          • Jun 28, 201311:11 am
            by Ryan

            No. But I suppose that deal has a chance of working, and you could likely trade Rondo again if it doesn’t.

          • Jun 28, 201311:23 am
            by Matt

            “You wouldn’t trade a 1st round pick for Rondo?”

            Personally no, I think all Rondo would bring is disfunction. He has attitude problems. He is a great player but without shooters I don’t see him playing well. He won’t be able to get 12 assists per game because we don’t have anyone to knock down a shot. Think of this if he couldn’t get along with Doc what chance does Mo Cheeks have and our team is young and impressionable. Once the disfunction starts who becomes the scapegoat? Rondo, Stuckey, Cheeks, certainly not Dumars. I think we need leaders for this team to grow. We need leadership and accountability Rondo isn’t that. Talented but a psycho.

          • Jun 28, 201311:30 am
            by G

            I think Detroit needs someone who’s a little mean. Rondo is definitely that. I think his attitude problems are a little BOOP, and this crap about beefing with Doc… Things weren’t going well. When a good team starts to lose it, that stuff happens. 

            Rondo is an All Star PG, totally worth a 1st rounder. Detroit would need to get some outside shooting, but again, a good play maker is one of the hardest things to find in the league. And his defense is top shelf.

          • Jun 28, 201312:02 pm
            by Ryan

            @G I’ll admit you could be right here. And Ainge’s blatant play for Wiggins changes what they’re looking for in return for Rondo. Let’s see if Joe gives us a chance to see if it works.

      • Jun 28, 20133:37 am
        by Max

        Reply

        It doesn’t matter is I don’t believe in Knight.  Dumars obviously does or he would not have passed up on a possible superstar like Burke at PG.  Passing Burke and hiring Cheeks means the Pistons are committing to Knight as a starter and I’m just wondering why everything seems to revolve around him and not making sure someone can feed the beast.

        And why is everyone so sure Knight is even better than Stuckey?  At least Stuck doesn’t turn the ball over and has one very good skill in getting to the line.  He also can cause matchup problems with his size and even play some small forward.   Also, his best stretches have been much better than anything than Knight has ever done.  

      • Jun 28, 20133:45 am
        by Ryan

        Reply

        We’d have to give up Monroe to get anything of value. Might be worth it if we can snag Bledsoe or Kawhi (and if Millsap is still available through free agency), but this team hasn’t swung a big deal like that in at least 10 years.

  • Jun 28, 201312:43 am
    by thesidewalkvendor

    Reply

    Welcome palace pope! The palace knight now has a partner.

  • Jun 28, 20131:01 am
    by jacob

    Reply

    I think we are judging prematurely. Wait until FA.

  • Jun 28, 20131:29 am
    by AlC

    Reply

    I love how everyone on this website is ready to throw Brandon Knight under the bus after two seasons, when the most beloved PG since Isaiah was a guy named Chauncey Billups.  Any of you remember how the first few seasons of Chauncey’s career  went?
    Also, for the Burke lovers- I hear a lot of “Burke’s going to be great!  Why?  Becuase he’s great” talk, very slim on reasons.  Some people might speak in a little more detail and talk about things like “Good outside shooting and distribution”, but real specific details are lacking.  If you put everything on paper, and had some uniform-blind tape, fans would not be screaming for Burke. 
    If the Pistons were near Syracuse, everyone would be howling about why we didn’t draft MCW.

    • Jun 28, 201310:56 am
      by Huddy

      Reply

      I would love to see some specific reasons why Knight is anything like Billups.  Is it because their careers started slow?  Thats not a great comparison considering style of play is far different.  If that is the reason then their are plenty of players who started slow and never got any better  that are just a good to compare with Knight.

      • Jun 28, 201311:26 am
        by AYC

        Reply

        Fine, look at Jrue Holliday’s or Jeff Teague’s performance after year 3.  

        The point is that you can’t give up on a two years experience, 21 year old kid so quickly.   

        • Jun 28, 20131:07 pm
          by G

          Reply

          Bad comparison. Teague was buried on the bench, but his per 36 min stats as a PG beat Knight’s hands down. Holiday’s 2nd year was WAY better than Knight’s. The fact is that after 2 years, every successful PG in the league shows at least some indication of competence running the point. Knight hasn’t.

  • Jun 28, 20132:33 am
    by haydzzz

    Reply

    seems joe d had mclemore and KCP as equal and who knows KCP could pan out, also if we like it or not we have to be patient with knight but stuckey has to go!

    • Jun 28, 20133:58 am
      by KaBa

      Reply

      You know, now that that McLemore has landed on the most troubled NBA team, KCP could end up being better. In addition Sacramento is totally crowded at guard positions with really young players.

      • Jun 28, 20137:04 am
        by Filo Putz

        Reply

        You didn’t just say Pope could end up being better than Mclemore did you? what are you basing this on? Prayers to the tooth fairy: 

        • Jun 28, 20139:51 am
          by tarsier

          Reply

          If McLemore hits his floor and Pope his ceiling, it could happen. But McLemore is the far superior prospect.

        • Jun 28, 201310:01 am
          by KaBa

          Reply

          I’m basing it on the potential of the selfimplosivness of the Sacramento team. So it’s a not quite serious assumption. But McLemore in Sac means also the end to any kind of production from Jimmer.

          • Jun 28, 201310:33 am
            by G

            Getting McLemore basically means Sacramento is letting Evans go, so the situation will be less combustible & congested.

          • Jun 28, 201310:51 am
            by KaBa

            You think? I was thinking they are going to try go big with Evans and McLemore.

          • Jun 28, 201311:02 am
            by G

            If anybody makes a decent run at Evans, I don’t think they match it. Evans isn’t a PG, and he isn’t really a SF either. 

  • Jun 28, 20133:17 am
    by mshansky

    Reply

    Its a joke to project this mediocrity as anything but a potential bench player, along with all the other “starters” except for Drummond. My disappointment is that it is a “safe” pick. He is not going to be awful, nor great. Certainly NOT a star (well, maybe in 5-6 years). 
    My greatest fear now is that Stuckey is going to stay and start and keep us in the toilet for years.
    Just getting rid of Stuckey would be addition by subtraction.
    Finally, how much money would any of you pay out of your own pocket to see ANY Piston play live? ….I though not. They will not attract any worthwhile free agent (maybe they can trade for Ben Gordon again).
    I watched the draft, as most of the other teams at least tried to improve themselves. This choice of KCP is a disaster. 20 wins next season will seem like a distant dream. Oh, i forgot, “Moe” will coach em up.
    Starters next season: Monroe, Stuckey, Knight, Maxiell, Singler. Yawwwwn……

     

    • Jun 28, 20133:42 am
      by Ryan

      Reply

      Unless KCP is shockingly good, Joe will get fired this year and the new GM will be eager to cast off Stuckey and Villanueva and bring in his own guys. I would prefer if Joe’s right on this one, but I’m not betting on it.

  • Jun 28, 20133:52 am
    by Ryan

    Reply

    Who knows. Maybe Tony Mitchell and KCP are freak athletes who will be high flyers for the Pistons for years to come.

  • Jun 28, 20136:45 am
    by levesque

    Reply

    Not sure where this level of negativity is coming from. He was a good pick. Plenty of room to debate if Burke would’ve been better, but I think KCP was the third best wing in this draft. He has attributes that fit well with the rest of the Pistons’ roster. His numbers are pretty impressive for what his college role was. He made tough shots and shot a solid percentage, and turned the ball over little for how often the ball was in his hands. Also, he seems to have many of the same tools for becoming a great defender that Victor Oladipo has. They can develop Knight or get another point guard elsewhere. Why does not drafting a good player/local favorite have to blow up into the Pistons having no good players and missing out on the one path that will improve the team, as if there is only one path and that path is known only to people who have never worked in the NBA.
     

    • Jun 28, 20137:16 am
      by Filo Putz

      Reply

      What you said is relatively level headed. The problem is that the 2 most talented players in the draft were both shooting guards, the position of most need on the pistons. After Mclemore and Oladipo there is a big drop in talent. Pope does have skill as a shooter and is a very good athlete. It’s just  that his attributes are demonstrably less than the top two guys.

    • Jun 28, 20137:48 am
      by Ryan

      Reply

      You’re misinterpreting. It’s a reflection of years of mediocre personnel decisions, and a sign that Joe will probably double down on the players we have and watch a 25-30 win season unfold again this year. It suggests that we’re unlikely to see any fresh thinking in free agency either.

    • Jun 28, 20139:49 am
      by prerich

      Reply

      @ levesque

      KCP only shot for 37% last year – I’m a Pistons fan that lives in the south – I’ve watched him play and I’m not impressed. I would have taken an undersized Burke or a big true point like MCW – even though hes offensively challenged – we could have had a 6ft point that’s pass first, can knock it down from way deep and knows the pick and roll, or we could have had a 6-6 PG that would be a matchup problem, knows how to defend – and is pass first.  What do we have now – just another person that wants the rock!     

    • Jun 28, 20139:54 am
      by tarsier

      Reply

      The third best wing? Which of McLemore, Porter, and Oladipo is KCP better than?

      • Jun 28, 201310:17 am
        by KaBa

        Reply

        Offensively I think he is better than Oladipo. He could be definsevly as good as Oladipo if Cheeks can get him to utilize his athlecism. But overall of those 3 are currently better then KCP. All of this can change and go either way. But hey that kid can shoot from almost any range.

  • Jun 28, 20137:55 am
    by frankie d

    Reply

    2 questions:
    Who is the team’s leader?
    Who is the team’s PG?
    joe d has underestimated the need for both over the last 5 years.
     burke could have filled both gaping holes.
     As of today, the team still needs a PG and it desperately needs an on-court leader.
    That will become even more painfully obvious when mo “i’m such a nice guy” cheeks starts running things.
    Did the team need a guy like pope?
    Sure.  But it needed a point guard who could come in and establish himself as a leader even more and the fact that joe just passed on a chance to fill those crippling holes is just one more indication that he needs to go before he does any more damage. 

    • Jun 28, 20138:34 am
      by Steve K

      Reply

      Totally agree with frankie d.
       
      It was an obvious choice. We all thought the BK as PG experiment was over. Burke would turn the ball over less and shoot as well (or better) than BK. And, more importantly, he’d be a leader on a rudderless team. The intangibles push Burke over the edge. Can’t believe Dumars passed.

    • Jun 28, 20139:27 am
      by Jeremy

      Reply

      I’ll at least attempt to answer one of the 3 questions you posed. I think BK7 is slotted at that starting PG spot next year. I don’t think Calderon re-signs here because there are teams out there with cap space, that need a point guard, and that are in a better position to win from day 1. Dallas is going to make a hard run at Howard if they can get rid of Marion and I believe they’re keeping the Shane Larkin pick. Calderon is better than any guy they had at point last year and it wouldn’t surprise me to see him dishing to Dirk next season.
       
      I am also predicting that Stuckey is going to be dealt before the season starts. There is absolutely no way this team can thrive without that happening. Look at the current roster:
      PG: Siva
      PG/SG (or the dreaded “combo guard): Knight, Stuckey
      SG: Caldwell-Pope, English
      SF: Singler, Middleton
      SF/PF (or the dreaded “tweener”): Jonas, Mitchell
      PF: Monroe, CV
      C: Drummond, Slava
       
      My prediction is that Joe will acquire another SG and SF via free agency or trade (reports are already coming out that he has shown interest in Tyreke Evans and J.R. Smith). Stuckey will not be on this team come October – he is easier to trade prior to the season than CV. Joe will over pay for 1 of the 2 positions I am predicting he acquires, however, they will maintain cap room for next off season. Finally, Joe will re-sign Bynum for the back up PG spot.
       
      I don’t know how to feel about the KCP pick. I like it in terms of the fact that he has a set position. I think he is going to be very good at the professional level, but it wasn’t that “bang” pick that I was hoping for.
       

      • Jun 28, 201310:24 pm
        by Filo Putz

        Reply

        Thanks for at least being sane in your analysis.  I really believed Dumars was going to choose between Burke and MCW as the two BPA’s. Then chase either JR Smith or Mayo. Now that scenario has kinda blown up. They have to spend the money. Can’t save it so it will be interesting to see what they do now. Obviously they will use part of the cap space to buy another point guard. Can’t go into the season with just Knight and Stuckey available to play point. My personal choice would be Devin Harris. I will point out that there doesn’t appear to be an obvious significant upgrade at small forward and I’ve always thought, though he may disagree, that Jerebko best position is the 4. Having said that I have an expectation of signing  or trading for another 3, although not a big splash type.

    • Jun 28, 201310:29 am
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      “”2 questions:
      Who is the team’s leader?
      Who is the team’s PG?”"
      1. Knight is a leader and so is Greg, and we have Coach known for getting the best out of players, especially unestablished players. Knight is the friggin PG, the days of the traditional PG is over, Knight is part of the new generation of PGs. If put in a situation to succeed he will be finw
      “”joe d has underestimated the need for both over the last 5 years.
       burke could have filled both gaping holes.”"
      2. ??? He drafted Knight, and he re-signed Bynum, and traded for Calderon. Too much value in Burke
       ”"As of today, the team still needs a PG and it desperately needs an on-court leader.
      That will become even more painfully obvious when mo “i’m such a nice guy” cheeks starts running things.”"
      3. your being highly emotional, Burke isnt a once in a lifetime or once in a 5 year or 2 years type player. If Knight Bust fine he becomes a scoring sixth man, you can go to free-agency or you  make a trade, if we draft Burke and he fails as a rookie we’ll have to wait for 2-3 more years before we come to the same conclusion. Burke is a very flawed player,
      “”Did the team need a guy like pope?”"
      4. Yes, we need scoring, we need a wing player that can spread the floor, we need a guy that can score off the ball, if Pope can work on the basic fundamentals he can real surprise some teams. 
      “”Sure.  But it needed a point guard who could come in and establish himself as a leader even more and the fact that joe just passed on a chance to fill those crippling holes is just one more indication that he needs to go before he does any more damage.”"
      5. Drafting another PG…would have damaged the team, I wish you guys would get outside of your emotions. This team needed balance, unless we were getting a ELITE PG… which burke is not

      • Jun 28, 201311:07 am
        by G

        Reply

        Oh my god you have to be kidding.

      • Jun 28, 201311:20 am
        by G

        Reply

        Detroit has no REAL leader on the team. Monroe is what I would describe as a “reluctant leader”, along the lines of Tayshaun last year. He’d rather be quiet, but feels the need to speak up because no one else will & he’s the best player. Knight has shown NO leadership at all. He’ll toe the line, I give him credit for that, but he isn’t a leader of men. Burke is.

        Guys like KCP can be found in FA all the time. Yes, the Pistons needed shooting & defense on the wing (they still kinda do), but Burke’s skill set is REALLY hard to come by. Your rationale for passing on Burke is WEAK. “If he fails we’ll have to wait 2-3 more years”… As opposed to what Dumars is doing with Knight? Burke at least can play PG, we don’t even know what Knight is! We’ve had him for 2 years already, can he play PG, SG, or will he kind of do both but come off the bench?

        If you think Burke won’t pan out, that’s neither here nor there. His ceiling is higher than KCP’s, his floor is higher, and his game is more NBA ready. Plus, as I said before, KCP really needs a good PG for him game to work in the NBA. What does Burke need more than anything? Good PnR partners, which Detroit has.

      • Jun 28, 201311:40 am
        by oats

        Reply

        Except that after the trade for Calderon, Dumars kept talking about how nice it was having a true point guard and he kept talking about bringing Jose back. After the KCP pick he even said that he still sees Knight playing some point guard and some shooting guard, and he referred to Knight as a combo guard. It seems really unlikely that the starting point guard for next season is currently on the roster.

        • Jun 28, 201311:46 am
          by G

          Reply

          Man, I hope that’s the case. Right now I’m feeling a sign & trade for Jeff Teague that sends Knight to the Hawks. They’d probably have to throw something in the sweeten the deal, but something along those lines.

          • Jun 28, 201312:06 pm
            by Ryan

            So we really have 4 decent options at PG now if we take that route: Calderon (maybe for 2 years), Rondo (maybe at this point), Bledsoe (not happening)…
             
            But I can’t see Danny Ferry taking on the same combo guard problems we have with Knight and Lou Williams in Atlanta. Maybe after they whiff on Dwight and CP, and let Smith walk, they become interested in Stuckey’s expiring and a 2nd-rd’er for Teague – or something like that. Probably a long shot too, but it could be nice.

          • Jun 28, 201312:14 pm
            by G

            I think they do the sign & trade because they’re planning on letting Teague go anyway & don’t want to pay his salary 2 more years until Schroeder is ready. This way they get something for him, probably Knight & a 2nd rounder or one of the Singler/Middleton/English guys.

          • Jun 28, 201312:21 pm
            by Ryan

            Interesting… wouldn’t be against it.

          • Jun 28, 201311:02 pm
            by Filo Putz

            I’m laughing at the idea that you can get in trade a promising young pg like Jeff Teague after the season he just had by “giving them Knight and throwing in something”This type of statement shows you have no clue. Acquiring  a good young player would be very complicated. Teague is a restricted free agent  and the only pg. on the Atlanta roster.. The only way teague is coming here is for a lot of money  I’m thinking in the 10 to 15 million per range over 4-5 years. Not Knight and Singler or Knight Jerebko or Knight and Stuckey… This ain’t ever happening save for something really off the wall. And lastly if they do back the Hawks in a corner by signing him to an outrageous offer sheet, because ATL can afford it they would either match it or then do the sign and trade, which they would only do if they had a better option for a point. Either scenario it would take a huge investment to get him. If he is the point guard that Dumars thinks can play a role on a highly competitive team then they should go for him and make a really big offer because that is the only chance to get him. 

          • Jun 29, 20136:30 pm
            by Ryan

            Apparently Filo missed the draft.

  • Jun 28, 20138:34 am
    by mshansky

    Reply

    For the last 2 offseasons, since Prince Gores became owner, we have waited for the Pistons to do SOMETHING in either trade or free agent acquisition. Instead, nothing happens at all, until very late, when other teams are done filling their coffers, at which point we get a TMac, Maggete, etc, an aging player trying to make a brief comeback (albeit not with the Pistons.) I mention it because, as you can see, many other teams are already reshuffling their cards,(Celtics, e.g.) .When next season starts, they will be competitive and we will not, as Joe will never part with stuckey, even if he could, since it would signal a 6 year mistake. No, we will be told thru the sycophantic media, that Mo Cheeks is a new coach and he will make it work with the old pieces. I will be amazed if KCP even gets much playing time, after Knight, Stuckey, and Bynum. Same starters i will put money on it: Maxiell, stuckey, knight, singler, Monroe, with Drummond, et al, off the bench.
    My hope is they really fail next season and we can get a new GM and maybe even a better coach. All the pie in the sky projections are silly.

    • Jun 28, 20139:39 am
      by Ryan

      Reply

      I want in on that bet, but to split the pot with you.

    • Jun 28, 201310:12 am
      by KaBa

      Reply

      Well Bynum and Maxiell both are FAs. So there is always hope that some team is going to take Maxiell as an energizer of the bench (which could really work). One of the PGs is going to be cut, either Calderon or Bynum and if Calderon wants to stay I think it will be Bynum. This way Calderon could start  and Knight could come in as the 6th man.

  • Jun 28, 20138:49 am
    by Keith

    Reply

    KCP is a good player. I don’t know if he was the best available, but so be it. If he can simply be a quality 3 and D SG, that is already a huge upgrade.

    My only question now is how does this affect FA? Neither Knight nor Stuckey have shown a working ability to play the point, at least not with this team. They are both better off at the same position as KCP, who was drafted too high and with too much known skill not to even be in the rotation. The hope is then that we land a PG in FA, but this only exacerbates the issues with our abundance of combo guards. If we pay a FA PG to start, and just drafted a SG in the top 10, what exactly do we do with Knight-Stuckey-Bynum? 

    Further, while we still need a SF, that is arguably the least important position to the team right now. Our guards are all ball-dominators, and we need way more passing as a team. Trying fill a low usage role with a quality passer, at SF no less, is not going to have much impact. The best way to reorganize the team would be to put Knight and Stuckey on the bench, but there doesn’t seem to be a great chance of that happening.

  • Jun 28, 20139:16 am
    by Worm

    Reply

    If Bledsoe can be had for a combination of Knight/Stuckey, Singler/Middleton, and future pick(s), this team could be a lot of fun to watch this year.
    PG: Bledsoe, FA (Jack?), Siva
    SG: KCP, Knight/Stuckey, English
    SF: FA (Korver, Webster), Singler/Middleton
    PF: Monroe, FA (Hickson/Millsap), Mitchell
    C: Drummond, Kravtsov

    • Jun 28, 20139:37 am
      by Ryan

      Reply

      I wonder if the pro-Bledsoe crowd will start coming around on this when we’re swiftly beat out by the offers from Orlando and others.
       
      We might get Rondo if Joe puts Monroe on the table, but that’s it, and it’s a big if.
       
      It’s now Calderon or overpaying from the 2nd tier… Collison, Maynor, Udrih. So what happens when the PG savior Mo Cheeks has no quality PGs to shape?

      • Jun 28, 201310:06 am
        by Matt

        Reply

        I don’t get the love for Rondo. I think he would be a colossal mistake. He distributes and we don’t have anyone that can shoot. He is a hot head and we have a lot of them. He has always been on a winning team and I’m not convinced he’ll go from a packed crowd in Boston to a empty palace so easy. Once he sees how this team is run he’ll fuel the disfunction, especially with Stuckey. Rondo needs to be on a winning team with shooters around him so he rack up assists. Here he’d have to take charge and that’s where disfunction would set in. We’ve already seen what happens when we have no basketball personalities and that is still a big hole we need to fill.

        • Jun 28, 201310:16 am
          by Ryan

          Reply

          Agreed. Just an example. What I don’t get is how anyone thinks anyone who’s a better fit than Calderon (he’s a questionable fit to begin with) is going to join this team.
           
          If we trade Moose, I hope we get a 2/3 back for him. Even if KCP hits his ceiling, like Joe said, we’re depleted at the wings right now.

        • Jun 28, 201310:56 am
          by tarsier

          Reply

          The Pistons have a lot of hot heads? Who? Stuckey is sometimes seen that way, but I don’t know of anyone else on the roster.

  • Jun 28, 20139:25 am
    by prerich

    Reply

    What bothers me about the KCP pick is that he played against substandard competition.  SEC was really down – and they got bounced in the first round of the SEC tourney.  I could see if we where talking aobut the ACC player of the year, or the Big East player of the year, but to pick up the SEC player of the year and pass on The Player of the Year?!!! Yeah, I’ve defended Dumars once too often – if this doesn’t work out,  time to go out to pasture Joe.

    • Jun 28, 201310:46 am
      by Tyrell

      Reply

      wellWe well He was literally the only player on the team and everyone in the league knew it. Still managed a TS% of 57, while also having a TOV% around 11?. For a board that usually says Pistons  FO lacks innovation and metric use, this guy is loved by metric stats.

  • Jun 28, 20139:46 am
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    Im not going to lie, and act like a KCP fan…
    But I said several times, I’d rather KCP than Burke…
    Drafting Burke IMO isnt a need, like “WHO Is US” has posted several times even if you dont believe in Knight , their is a large pool of PG available, who would not run of the price.
    But anyway back to my wish list…
    We got more athletic
    we got quicker
    we got scoring
    we got players with a high ability
    we fill two areas of need…
     
     
     

    • Jun 28, 20139:53 am
      by prerich

      Reply

      But there’s only one ball. All of our perimeter players demand the ball – and our one true passer is Moose!!!! We live in a league that allows zones – quicker, athletic, is all good but that scoring – look at the percentages – Ball don’t lie!!!!

      • Jun 28, 201310:00 am
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        “”But there’s only one ball. All of our perimeter players demand the ball – and our one true passer is Moose!!!! We live in a league that allows zones – quicker, athletic, is all good but that scoring – look at the percentages – Ball don’t lie!!!”"
         
        theres still one ball when you team is slow, and non-athletic…. well coached teams that are athletic play defense, and get easier scoring opportunities.
        Pistons are in position to also be a 3rd team in a sign-trade scenario either in the off-season or during the season. Stuckey, Charlie, Singler, Middleton are all guys that could be packaged….
         

        • Jun 28, 201310:06 am
          by Ryan

          Reply

          I love how folks talk about this mystery 3-team scenario they’re expecting to happen. We’d get a Marshon Brooks or Courtney Lee or Wilson Chandler out of either an absorption deal or a package with those players. Not the worst, but not game-changing.

          • Jun 28, 201310:36 am
            by I HATE FRANK

            we have options is my point
             

          • Jun 28, 201310:47 am
            by Ryan

            Yes… like when we had Gordon, Villanueva, McGrady, Caron Butler (remember that?), Damien Wilkins… that wealth of options… Always great to point to generalities, but if you look at the FA list and on the trade machine this situation is looking very bleak.

          • Jun 28, 201311:22 am
            by G

            We never had Caron Butler.

          • Jun 28, 201312:15 pm
            by Ryan

            We were close to trading Prince for him… referring to the “options” we’ve had in the past (through FA and trades) as a measuring stick for what we can reasonably expect this summer… Unless teams get desperate for Wiggins or we put everything on the table (lots of sentiment that GMs will get killed if they deal with us and don’t get one of our big guys).

          • Jun 28, 201312:58 pm
            by G

            Yeah, we almost had Kobe too. I noticed you didn’t count him. And Iverson back when he was good, not the 2009 version. That was a couple years before he was traded to Denver, and it only fell apart because Matt Geiger fought the trade.

          • Jun 28, 20132:03 pm
            by Ryan

            Fair point. There was also the possible Celtics mega-blockbuster and talk of trading Tay for Josh Smith. But those would have required us trading a “star” – someone like Monroe, not Knight or Stuckey. That’s basically what I’m saying. Maybe that Rondo deal is on the table, but I see Ainge pushing for more and having a million offers to pick from.

      • Jun 28, 201310:03 am
        by KaBa

        Reply

        Cmon you just said that cause youre hopin for Sheed as an assitant. Ball don’t lie ;)

  • Jun 28, 20139:53 am
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    If Tony Mitchell comes out last year he goes late lottery, he was told to go back to college improve his game and co back into a weaker draft.

    He goes back, has come coaching changes, and regresses… 
    we get him in the 2nd rd…. He could have went as high as 20…
    I would love to see him get some burn at SF,
     

    • Jun 28, 201310:39 am
      by G

      Reply

      He looks more like a PF to me. He can stretch out the offense a bit, but he couldn’t guard a SF to save his life. His strengths on defense come from using his body in the post & leaping ability. He would get torched trying to guard a perimeter player. He’ll be a solid backup big, which was a need.

      • Jun 28, 201310:56 am
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        We were ready to take a chance on Bennett, at SF if he had dropped to us…
        Although Bennett is more talented offensively, Mitchell has a ton of defensive potential and a 7-3 wingspans makes up for alot….
        It would be a worthwhile experiment…. if it doesnt work…no hard no foul

        • Jun 28, 201311:23 am
          by G

          Reply

          Mitchell is taller, heavier & slower than Bennett. 

          • Jun 28, 201312:02 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            Taller True… Tony 6’8.5 in shoes / Bennett 6’7 in shoes
            Heavier False … Tony 235-236 / Bennett playing weight was 235-240
            Slower … Unknown …. They look the same on tape but I give the edge to Tony Mitchell…quickness, reaction, and recovery
             

          • Jun 28, 201312:21 pm
            by G

            Mitchell’s agility clocked in at 11.82, which is pretty slow. His 3/4 court sprint clocked at 3.52, making him one of the slowest guys at the combine. Bennett didn’t run, but looks MUCH faster on tape and I still think he’s too slow to play SF right now. Mitchell definitely is.

            The main reason Bennett is getting looks as a SF is the height thing. He’s a bit on the short side to play PF, and his offense is more face up than back down. Mitchell looks more like a classic PF. NO ONE is talking about trying him at the 3. Except you, obviously.

  • Jun 28, 20139:55 am
    by prerich

    Reply

    Mitchell = good pick!

  • Jun 28, 201310:39 am
    by Todd

    Reply

    If my review is correct, KCP played against only 4 tournament teams last year (Indiana – 14 pts, Mizzou – 15 pts., Ole Miss – 19 pts., and Florida – 11 pts., 16 pts.) and in each of those games his team lost (a few of them by a wide margin). Sure you can say all you want about Georgia having no talent around him, but realistically is KCP anything more than a pretty good player on a vastly crappy team – think Darius Miles as a ceiling? His similarity projections from the Hickory High indicator are TERRIBLE including guys that made little to no impact on their teams or the league. 

    I don’t doubt he is a good athlete and likely will defend and rebound fairly well, but is that really worth the #8 pick when other players are still around that bring something more to the table? We could have traded down and picked up a number of players that are nearly identical to KCP, OR even picked one of them in the 2nd Round. 

    The big question is, is KCP any better than Middleton or English, or was this just a down draft that made him the #3 SG?

    • Jun 28, 201311:03 am
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      Im hoping that Pope turns out to be Paul George – Like…. in college George had to learn to attack the basket, and not lean on the outside shot…
       
      On one-side when you look at the video you see the potential but you also see the issues. He’s a very quick players, which is great off of screens, but the only thing he is missing is the explosiveness in the half-court…
       
      Once again it was a knock on Paul George as well…I am maxing out his potential when I say maybe he can be Paul George like -  but if floors he’ll end up being Roger Mason
       

      • Jun 28, 20131:11 pm
        by Max

        Reply

        And I’m hoping Drummond becomes Shaq and Monroe becomes Duncan and Singler becomes Bird and Knight becomes Thomas.    Hoping is some cases is pretty silly though and won’t make anything happen.  

  • Jun 28, 201311:01 am
    by jamesjones_det

    Reply

    I’m done with Dumars, Wings are a dime a dozen you have piles of cash and you waste a pick on this guy.
     
    Fired!  Just that simple.

    • Jun 28, 201311:07 am
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      So are undersized rookie PGs…
      Its like you guys have no clue how to build a team

      • Jun 28, 201311:25 am
        by G

        Reply

        <Right, because Dumars has done a FANTASTIC job so far…>

        • Jun 28, 201311:45 am
          by I HATE FRANK

          Reply

          @ G
          who said that?
          im saying he made a mess, but now he is building a team through the draft…
          it just doesnt make sense to draft burke when you have Knight…when you do not have a wing or legit perimeter player. IMO

          • Jun 28, 201311:53 am
            by G

            What is he building? He got lucky with Drummond & Monroe, he hasn’t done shit else & the team has been in the mid-lottery every year since 2010. Your implication was that no one here knows how to build a team but Dumars does. Bang up job so far, thanks a lot.

          • Jun 28, 201312:13 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

             

            “”Whats he building? He got lucky with Drummond & Monroe, he hasn’t done shit else & the team has been in the mid-lottery every year since 2010. Your implication was that no one here knows how to build a team but Dumars does. Bang up job so far, thanks a lot”"
            The implication is, if you think drafting Burke was the right decision, over draft a scoring wing player. Then YES, you do not know how to build a team. 
            Im not going to get into the back and forth about Knight…
            I’d rather have a more complete Roster, over Knight and Burke on the Roster…
            Luck is needed sometimes…. IMO a scoring Wing made the most sense….
             
             

          • Jun 28, 201312:17 pm
            by Ryan

            The implication is that all this team has of value is 2 big men. A pretty strong indication that Joe’s judgement is probably not something you want to trust at this point.

          • Jun 28, 201312:30 pm
            by G

            For a team this devoid of talent, the best player makes the most sense & Burke was the best player available. I really wish McLemore had slid one more pick, but it was not to be. Patrick wrote an article on the freep about free agency impacting the grade of this draft. I completely agree. If Dumars is able to either bring back Calderon or bring in a guy like Teague, I like the KCP pick a little better. I still think Burke would’ve been the better pick, but the KCP pick is less bad if Dumars brings in a legit PG. If he doesn’t, he should absolutely be fired.

        • Jun 28, 201311:48 am
          by Matt

          Reply

          We need to be like Boston and stockpile picks for next year. This isn’t a year you can go from 30-50 wins. Gores needs to be patient one more year. This is more an assessing the team kind of year. You go for it when you have a clear vision for where you want the team to be and how you want to get there. You can’t snap your fingers and turn 3 guys under 23 into a championship no matter how much money you have. I think Cleveland did it right. They had a few awful years, stockpiled picks and their now in a good position to fill in any holes they have because they have the assets to do it. Trades are easier when your team is stacked with potential.

          • Jun 28, 201312:09 pm
            by Ryan

            2014 picks are gonna be hard to come by, and the Sixers and Celtics already stole two.

      • Jun 28, 201311:49 am
        by ryan

        Reply

        A whole lotta you all are going to feel like jerks and look like idiots in the next couple of years.

        I can’t believe the ridiculous Trey Burke love in here. Comparing him to Andre Miller?  Seriously? That’s almost more insulting than the Chris Paul comparisons. Andre Miller is one of the smartest players of his generation.

        And calling for Joe Dumars to be fired when he does the right thing and nets us very solid talent at every single draft spot? Seriously?

        I’m not going to spend anymore time being negative. I think we got three guys who can help us at some level. KCP is a guy I can see as a starter next year and a guy who’s going to really open up the floor for the big fellas and for other guys driving to the hoop. Tony Mitchell has starer type talent and we picked him at 37 it’s a great gamble. Peyton Siva is a great athlete, good passer and led his team to the title (beating everyone’s golden boy). He could actually have a role next year which would be incredible for a LATE second round pick.

        We have a good young team and with development and a couple of moves we’ll have a playoff team. That’s exciting. If folks can’t see that I don’t know how to help you.

        • Jun 28, 201312:12 pm
          by Ryan

          Reply

          The fabled “couple of moves.” A few interesting ideas have surfaced in this discussion, but what we have now could very well be most of what we go to war with next season (plus a few 2nd-and-3rd-tier FAs). You’re betting on any more than 30 wins with that lineup?
           
          I’m taking all bets that if we don’t make the playoffs, Gores brings in someone who will actually shake things up.

        • Jun 28, 201312:37 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          Wait, so your problem with Burke is that he’s not intelligent enough? That’s the first time I’ve ever heard that part of his game knocked.

  • Jun 28, 20131:08 pm
    by Max

    Reply

    The team at this point has no one who can dribble or pass—especially at the point. 

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