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PistonPowered Mock Draft: Will the Pistons make a good gamble two years in a row?

Patrick Hayes is not an accredited NBA Draft expert, nor does he have an advanced degree in scouting. He’s simply an enthusiastic young man with a sixth grade education and an abiding love for all NBA Draft prospects … join him for the annual PistonPowered mock draft.

I’ve done mock drafts the last couple of years, and this year’s top 15 or so picks are about the easiest. I know there is lots of chatter about teams not knowing what they are going to do at certain spots, but seriously … stop overthinking this everyone.

Feel free to post your own versions in the comments.

1. Cleveland Cavaliers – Nerlens Noel

Don’t screw this up, Cleveland. Or do, preferably. Noel is the only player in this draft worth t

aking No. 1 overall. The Cavs would be crazy to pass on him. Take him, pair him with the solid Tristan Thompson and Anderson Varejao, solidify your frontcourt and go shopping for a small forward. This is easy guys.

2. Orlando Magic – Victor Oladipo

Another no-brainer (see, I told you this draft was easy!). Make the rumored trade with the Clippers that will bring Eric Bledsoe to the Magic, draft Oladipo and GET ALL THE STEALS with an insanely fun, defensive-minded backcourt.

3. Washington Wizards – Otto Porter

Washington, like Cleveland, makes itself a potential up-and-coming playoff contender with this pick. Adding the versatile Porter to a perimeter attack that includes John Wall and Brad Beal with Nene in the middle and Washington is in business (yes, I know that logo is the old Wizards logo … I’m too lazy to upload the new one though).

4. Charlotte Bobcats – Ben McLemore

I want to believe that Rich Cho is too smart to do something like take Alex Len or Cody Zeller here, as rumors have suggested he might. The Bobcats are still light years away from being competitive. McLemore and his nice jumper make him a good complement to last year’s perimeter pick, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. A Kemba Walker-McLemore-MKG perimeter trio is not a bad start, especially if the Bobcats can add anything at all to their frontcourt.

5. Phoenix Suns – Anthony Bennett

Another team that could do just about anything, including crazy things like draft any of the three top point guard prospects, none of whom are likely as good as the one they have in Goran Dragic. They should take Bennett, a raw but intriguing forward who would allow them to move Luis Scola and/or Marcin Gortat for young players and picks and actually do a rebuild the right way.

6. New Orleans Pelicans – Trey Burke

I would love for Burke to fall to the Pistons, but I just can’t envision it happening. New Orleans is too needy at point guard, although Greivis Vasquez did have a good season for them, and Burke is a perfect fit. They’ll do the right thing, take Burke, let him work with Vasquez and Eric Gordon (if they don’t trade him) in a versatile backcourt and never let Austin Rivers onto a basketball court again.

 

7. Sacramento Kings – C.J. McCollum

I don’t want to live in a world where the Kings don’t draft a combo guard. I know they have new ownership and a new front office, so it might not happen this year, but adding McCollum to a list of not really point guard not really shooting guard guards that includes Isaiah Thomas, Jimmer Fredette and (if he’s re-signed) Tyreke Evans would be amazing. The best part is, even if the Kings and their new leadership are smarter and don’t want to draft another combo guard, how great is it that they could be in a position where the best player available — McCollum — is exactly what they don’t want?

8. Detroit Pistons – Shabazz Muhammad

In 2011, the Pistons took a college player with a great pedigree but so-so production in Brandon Knight. The jury’s still out on that one. Last year, they took a college player with a great pedigree but so-so production in Andre Drummond. He looks like a potential star. Joe Dumars has shown a willingness to value potential over all else when picking late in the lottery, and the player still on the board with the most potential is Muhammad. I’ll be rooting for Burke to fall to Detroit, but if he doesn’t, based on Dumars’ own draft strategy the last two years, Muhammad most closely resembles the type of player he is willing to gamble on. If it pays off with Muhammad, the Pistons will have another star.

9. Minnesota Timberwolves – Cody Zeller

Nikola Pekovic is a free agent and Kevin Love is about to become the superstar most talked about in trade rumors/’will he leave in free agency?’ rumors. Zeller will likely give quality minutes right away as a pro. He also reportedly had a good workout in Minnesota. If the T-Wolves are convinced they can re-sign Pekovic, they might look at guards, but unless someone falls here, Zeller is probably the best player available.

10. Portland Trail Blazers – Steven Adams

The Blazers have several needs, but the most pressing might be up front since LaMarcus Aldridge is reportedly hoping to be moved elsewhere. An Adams-Meyers Leonard frontcourt may not be good, but both have potential and, if the Blazers get picks and prospects if they decide to move Aldridge, giving those young bigs plenty of minutes to see if one or the other develop wouldn’t be the worst idea if they do try to rebuild without Aldridge.

11. Philadelphia 76ers – Alex Len

I don’t think Len is going to be good, and I’m certainly not buying him as a potential No. 1 pick. But the Sixers are thin up front and relatively set on the perimeter with Jrue Holiday and Evan Turner. Len is the biggest name left here and gives them some insurance in the likely event Andrew Bynum doesn’t re-sign.

12. Oklahoma City Thunder – Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

Kevin Martin insurance! The Thunder reportedly want to move up, but if they can’t, they’d be extremely lucky to get KCP here, making it less of a concern if they’re not able to re-sign Martin in free agency. Caldwell-Pope and Jeremy Lamb, a first round pick last year acquired in the James Harden trade, could then battle it out for Martin’s role.

13. Dallas Mavericks – Dennis Schroeder

The Mavs reportedly have tried to move this pick, so don’t be shocked if that happens. They’d reportedly prefer to not pay a first round pick and instead use the money to pursue free agents. If they don’t move the pick, they could draft an international player and try to keep him overseas for a year or two.

14. Utah Jazz  – Michael Carter-Williams

The Jazz have been looking for a young point guard since they traded Deron Williams, and Carter-Williams still being around here would be tough for them to pass up. He could go as high as the top 10, and his passing ability would make him a good fit feeding the ball into Utah’s young bigs.

15. Milwaukee Bucks – Reggie Bullock

With Monta Ellis and J.J. Redick both good bets to leave, the Bucks add a knock-down three-point shooter who also has good size to pair next to Brandon Jennings (assuming the Bucks match any offer he signs as a restricted free agent).

16. Boston Celtics – Sergey Karasev

With Boston allegedly looking to gut its core and move Paul Pierce this offseason, the team can draft a potential replacement with Karasev, a 19-year-old Russian player.

 

17. and 18. Atlanta Hawks – Lucas Nogueira and Giannis Adetokunbo

The Hawks are another team with the cap space to be active in free agency. Drafting international players gives them the option to try to convince their prospects to stay overseas for a year and conserve those salaries. But if they do decide to come over, they get frontcourt help, athleticism and, in Nogueira’s case, shot-blocking, in case Josh Smith leaves as a free agent.

19. Cleveland Cavaliers – Kelly Olynyk

I probably have him falling too far, but the Cavs would be thrilled to get him here. Olynyk with his shooting range and offensive ability would add nice versatility to a strong, young Cavs frontcourt that also includes Noel, Thompson, Varejao and Tyler Zeller.

20. Chicago Bulls – Tim Hardaway Jr.

Aside from the fact that his dad was a Chicago prep scene legend, Hardaway Jr.’s shooting makes and position make him an instant fit for a Bulls team that needs help at the shooting guard spot. Marco Belinelli is a free agent and Richard Hamilton has perennially been both injured and a trade candidate since he arrived in Chicago. Hardaway Jr. might not be an immediate starter, but he could definitely give spot minutes at that spot as the Bulls seek a replacement.

21. Utah Jazz – Jeff Withey

Utah could lose Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap to free agency. Withey probably isn’t going to develop into a NBA starter, but he could be a sturdy rotation player. The Jazz don’t need a starter anyway, if Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter continue to develop into a productive duo who handle the bulk of the frontcourt minutes.

22. Brooklyn Nets – Shane Larkin

The Nets could use depth in the frontcourt and backcourt, as well as a long-term replacement for the declining Gerald Wallace. But with Larkin still hanging around here, getting a promising backup for Deron Williams in case of injury and as a way to get him more rest during the season would be a good find for them in the draft.

 

 

 

23. Indiana Pacers – Isaiah Canaan

Another team that could use some point guard depth behind its starter (apologies, D.J. Augustin), the Pacers could grab Canaan here, a productive player from one of the top Mid-Major programs in the country. I was really tempted to give them the other Plumlee brother though. All dopey brother duos should be united on teams forever. Get Robin Lopez to Brooklyn while we’re at it.

 

24. New York Knicks – Rudy Gobert

The Knicks are really old, particularly up front, and Gobert gives them some youth to infuse with Tyson Chandler, Amar’e Stoudemire and whatever 1,000-year-old vets minimum guy Mike Woodson decides to add too the rotation next season. Their great find from last season, Chris Copeland, is also a free agent who might be hard for them to re-sign.

 

25. Los Angeles Clippers – Pierre Jackson

This might be a tad of a reach for Jackson, but if the Clippers trade Eric Bledsoe for Arron Afflalo, they’ll need a backup point guard. Jackson, a lighting-fast guard from Baylor, would potentially spell Chris Paul and still be a good fit pushing the pace and throwing lobs to Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan.

26. Minnesota Timberwolves – Allen Crabbe

The T-Wolves passed on guard help early on, so they’ll take a pretty decent backcourt prospect here. Adding a shooter will help both Ricky Rubio and give Pekovic (if he’s re-signed) more freedom to operate inside.

27. Denver Nuggets – Jamaal Franklin

The Nuggets might have to replace free agent Andre Iguodala. Franklin is nowhere near as good as Iguodala, but he’ll give them a strong, athletic presence on the wing with the tools to develop into a competent defensive player.

28. San Antonio Spurs – Ricky Ledo

Ledo has lottery talent, but never touched the court in college for a variety of reasons. Few teams have the structure the Spurs can offer to help him eliminate distractions and realize his vast potential.

29. Oklahoma City Thunder – Gorgui Dieng

Dieng isn’t the most highly skilled big out there, but he’s a great shot-blocker, and if the Thunder find a taker for Kendrick Perkins, perhaps between Dieng and Hasheem Thabeet, they can put an awkward rim-protector on the floor to occupy some of those minutes.

30. Phoenix Suns – Tony Snell

I had the Suns adding Bennett earlier, and they get even more athletic in the frontcourt with the addition of Snell. The Suns are trying to reinvent their days of exciting offense, and surrounding Dragic with athletes who can run and finish is a start.

I’ll tackle the second round after the jump.

31. Cleveland Cavaliers – C.J. Leslie: Cavs add another athletic wing to the mix with Dion Waiters

32. Oklahoma City Thunder – Glen Rice Jr.: The Thunder use their D-League affiliate well, so I’m sure they’re familiar with Rice’s exploits last season.

33. Cleveland Cavaliers – Nate Wolters: Seriously? Another pick? Wolters gives the Cavs some depth behind Kyrie Irving, some 3-point shooting and at his size, he could play minutes off the ball as well.

34. Houston Rockets – Alex Abrines: The Rockets have big offseason aspirations and a roster that is pretty full. Taking an international player they can possibly stash makes some sense.

35. Philadelphia 76ers – Mike Muscala: The Sixers went big with their earlier pick, but Muscala is a steal here and bolsters their frontcourt even more.

36. Sacramento Kings – Tony Mitchell: A possible first round pick last season, Mitchell struggled this year, but he’s intriguing this far down in the draft.

37. Detroit Pistons – Ray McCallum: They missed out on a home-state point guard in the lottery, but McCallum, one of my favorite sleepers in this draft, is a nice consolation price.

38. Washington Wizards – Archie Godwin: Godwin can serve as John Wall insurance and potentially develop into more, considering he was an elite high school prospect before his disappointing college season.

39. and 40. Portland Trail Blazers – Phil Pressey and Livio Jean-Charles: The Blazers have 1,000 second round picks, so we’ll give them one intriguing guard who could possibly push for minutes now in Pressey and an international player they can perhaps stash for a season or so.

41. Memphis Grizzlies – Erick Green: Tony Allen is a free agent and Mike Conley plays a ton of minutes, so Memphis adds a guard versatile enough to play both backcourt positions.

42. Philadelphia 76ers – Lorenzo Brown: After going big twice earlier, the Sixers add a guard to back up Jrue Holiday.

43. Milwaukee Bucks – Deshaun Thomas: Milwaukee adds another perimeter shooting threat to help make up for the potential losses of Redick and Mike Dunleavy.

44. Dallas Mavericks – Grant Jerrett: Dallas gets a raw power forward who can shoot the three. He probably won’t play right away, but they don’t need him too … he can learn from a pretty good shooting big man in front of him.

45. Portland Trail Blazers – Nemanja Nedovic: Once again, Portland has too many picks and probably not enough roster spots to accommodate them all. Thinking international is probably a good strategy.

46. Utah Jazz – Jackie Carmichael: The Jazz love tough-as-nails forwards, and Carmichael fits that description.

47. Atlanta Hawks – Erik Murphy: The Hawks add a frontcourt player who can shoot the three. He could be a nice complement to the Al Horford/ZaZa Pachulia/Ivan Johnson trio.

48. Los Angeles Lakers – Trevor Mbakwe: He’s a decent shot blocker who I think will be more productive than where he’s pegged to go in the draft. Unfortunately, the Lakers need Dwight Howard insurance, and the second round is probably not an ideal spot to find it.

49. Chicago Bulls – Colton Iverson: Joakim Noah (and any starter who plays for Tom Thibodeau) could use fewer minutes. Iverson was once a highly regarded prospect who could perhaps develop into more.

50. Atlanta Hawks – Andre Roberson: He’s mostly considered a second round talent, but the advanced stats like him quite a bit. He’d be a steal here for the Hawks.

51. Orlando Magic - Derrick Nix: Will Nix get drafted? No way. But Magic GM Rob Hennigan has pretty low standards for what he’s looking for — “We’re just looking for a human being to take.” Hey, Nix is a fantastic human being! Perfect fit.

52. Minnesota Timberwolves – Bojan Dubljevic: The T-Wolves are another team with a large number of picks who may want to look international as a way to save roster spots next season.

53. Indiana Pacers – James Southerland: A productive scorer who can shoot the three and played in arguably the toughest conference in basketball? What’s not to like?

54. Washington Wizards – Ryan Kelly: He’s a seven-footer who can shoot the three. There’s always a spot for guys who fit that description, and having additional shooters on the floor would be a good thing for the Wizards.

55. Memphis Grizzlies – Elias Harris: Draftexpress calls him, at best, a more athletic Matt Barnes. That’s pretty good this late in the draft.

56. Detroit Pistons – Raul Neto: I could see the Pistons stashing a player, and Neto, an improving Brazilian point guard, is an interesting prospect for them.

57. Phoenix Suns – Myck Kabongo: A former over-hyped prospect whose free-fall hasn’t stopped, maybe the Suns can get Kabongo committed, in shape and on a better path to realizing his potential.

58. San Antonio Spurs – Richard Howell: The Spurs might lose bench player DeJuan Blair, but they can replace him with another tough, burly power forward.

59. Minnesota Timberwolves – Solomon Hill: The T-Wolves could lose Andrei Kirilenko if he opts out, and Hill has some athleticism and leadership qualities that make him worth a look.

60. Memphis Grizzlies – Alexandre Paranhos: He’s athletic and can shoot, both things the Grizzlies could use on the perimeter.

52 Comments

  • Jun 27, 20133:10 pm
    by Mike

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    no chance in hell we choose Shabazz. this article nails him to the T. http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/doug-gottlieb/22333162/nba-draft-buyer-beware-on-shabazz-muhammad

    • Jun 27, 20133:30 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      That article is a hatchet-job pile of shit that relies on conjecture from ‘sources’ who won’t put their name on their quotes. Some points:

      - Muhammad’s father getting into trouble for fraud should have nothing to do with an assessment of Muhammad’s character.

      - He’s a coach killer? Really? Did you read the Sports Illustrated article on how messed up Howland’s program was before Muhammad even arrived on campus? Come on man. It was a free-for-all. The only person who killed Howland’s coaching career at UCLA was Howland.

      - The whole year younger faux controversy … do you know how many prep players are held back for sports reasons around middle school so that they can be a year older than the high school competition? I covered HS sports for like six years. It happens all the time.

      I don’t take any critique about Muhammad that’s not centered on his game super seriously. He was part of a crap program with a failing coach and he was an easy scapegoat for people trying to save face at UCLA. There are plenty of reasons to not draft him based on his game, but all of the exterior stuff Gottlieb gets into is circumstantial and irrelevant.

      If you remember, people were saying remarkably similar things about Drummond’s makeup last year:

      http://orangefizz.net/2012/06/4-of-5-dentists-agree-uconns-andre-drummond-is-the-nba-drafts-biggest-bust/

      Here was Gottlieb on Drummond: “Drummond does not have any one thing that he actually does well on a basketball floor. He is not a great rebounder, his shot-blocking is erratic and his timing is not natural. While the athleticism is obvious, it hasn’t yet translated into his having an elite skill on the floor.”

      So yeah … beware of what people say about young players who come out of shitty programs. The NCAA is the worst, full of scumbag coaches and other people who will destroy a player’s character to make themselves look better.

      • Jun 27, 20133:59 pm
        by frankie d

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        i won’t get into a gottlieb critique, but i thought the things he said about muhammad’s game were spot on.
        personally, i dont give a shyte about any of the off court stuff…his dad, his age…none of that matters to me.
        what matters to me is that the first time i saw  him play on tv i literally had to check the roster again because i couldn’t believe that number 15 for ucla was the same guy who was supposed to be an elite, explosive offensively gifted dominating scorer.
        he looked like a slightly above-average ncaa wing player, albeit a strong one,  who liked to shoot a lot.
        the only really impressive thing about him was his aggressiveness and his offensive rebounding.  he was extremely aggressive about getting his shot – which is good and bad – and he did hit the offensive boards with a vengeance.   otherwise, he was incredibly pedestrian in just about every other way.  and i saw quite a few of his games.  he definitely was not the guy on ucla who stood out.  for me, kyle anderson was always the guy who seemed to make a real difference for that team.
        and i agree wholeheartedly that i’d be very wary about bringing a guy like muhammad onto a young team.  he’s a guy who has obviously been a selfish, me-first scorer, imho, all of his life and the idea of bringing a guy like him onto a young developing team is something that should be addressed.  of course, a team would do its due diligence, but i’d probably only bring that type of guy onto a team like detroit if i knew that he could sublimate his tendency to just “get his” for the betterment of the team.
        i think it is a very relevant and open question at this point.  
        the draftexpress video report notes a stat about the first round choices with similar assist ratios as muhammad’s and it is a walk of shame.  talented guys like michael beasley shoot and dont pass and dont fit into a team concept.  it is very fair to question whether muhammad falls into that same category.
         

  • Jun 27, 20133:15 pm
    by Byron

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    Are these predictions or suggestions?

    • Jun 27, 20133:19 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Little from column A, little from column B.

      • Jun 27, 20133:26 pm
        by John V

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        Are you quoting Robin Williams from the Aladdin song “You ain’t never had a friend like me?”

        • Jun 27, 20133:31 pm
          by count that baby and a foul

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          I would hope he is doing Grandpa Simpson

  • Jun 27, 20133:22 pm
    by Blocks by Dre

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    A few sources say that Wizards are taking Anthony Bennette with their 3rd pick…take that with a grain of salt but if that happens that could change everything. Also, I think Bobcats want Zeller so…simply put, I have no clue what’s going to happen. Other drafts were easier to dissect but this one is for the ages (for the wrong reasons)

  • Jun 27, 20133:23 pm
    by Brigs

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    I would love for the pistons to take a chance on muhamed, in a draft as weak as this one is I’d rather they take a chance on a player who has lots of question marks but could potentially be a star player. We have gotten good production out of players outside the top 5 by taking chances I don’t think joe d should change that now

  • Jun 27, 20133:24 pm
    by John V

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    If none of those top 6 fall, then I am all for making Shabazz a Piston.

  • Jun 27, 20133:29 pm
    by count that baby and a foul

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    at least you knew which selection we have in this post :) I’m one of the few that think Shabazz got killed so bad with all the age related crap that he may have dropped a bit too far in some of the mock drafts. I still think 8 is a bit high but i wont go jumping off a bridge, as some people claim they would, if we picked him.

    • Jun 27, 20133:34 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      It’s remarkably similar to what happened to Drummond. Prep star underproduces while the program around him is crumbling and a coach is on his way out, so the young player becomes the easy target to deflect blame onto. I don’t think Muhammad is an angel, of course. He probably has some immaturity issues to work through. But yeah, there was a massive smear campaign against that guy that seemed over the top.

      • Jun 27, 20134:13 pm
        by KaBa

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        Do you think he will eventually have a real second right arm? Seeing all the things he can do I think he could be someting special, and then just watching him how everytime he goes to the rim he is in pure desperation of getting the ball into his left hand.

        • Jun 27, 20134:15 pm
          by G

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          Does anyone have a “real second right arm”? Sounds like a mutant to me.

          • Jun 27, 20134:19 pm
            by KaBa

            Well I wanted to indicate with the second arm I mean his right. For my 3rd speaking language it could be a lot worse :)

          • Jun 27, 20134:24 pm
            by G

            I was just picturing a dude with 2 right arms.

            What are your first 2 languages? 

          • Jun 27, 20134:38 pm
            by KaBa

            First one is bosnian, the second one german :)

        • Jun 27, 20134:25 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          It’s possible. I don’t think Shabazz is a can’t-miss prospect or anything. But I think if he develops, including getting better at going to his right, he’ll end up being worth way more than the eighth pick looking back. He has deficiencies that others have outlined, but there is nothing that I see in him that makes me say he’ll never improve those weaknesses. A lot of wings come into the league not especially good with their off-hand. McGrady wasn’t off the bat. More recently, Paul George wasn’t. It ultimately just depends on how hard Muhammad is willing to work as a pro. If the Pistons have seen reasons up close that suggest he won’t work hard, I have no problem with them passing on him. But if they think he can improve with better structure, I think he could potentially turn into a great pick.

          • Jun 27, 20135:00 pm
            by Sop

            Where is “I Hate Frank” and why is he not celebrating your pick loudly? If no one in the top six (that’s Burke in there not Len) falls then I would be fine with taking Shabazz. Though taking Len and flipping him to Charlotte for our 2014 back might be a better idea.

  • Jun 27, 20133:37 pm
    by frankie d

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    just don’t see the “potential” in muhammad. 
    in fact, he seems to be exactly what he will ultimately become in the pros: a one dimensional scorer who the team will probably be trying to find a niche for over the next 3-5 years.  
    a sort of smaller version of charlie v with a slower release. 
    the only hint of great “potential”came from the hype that surrounded him out of high school.
    imho, it is clear that the hype was just that, hype.
    with knight, you get hints of why he was so highly regarded.  his quickness, his streaky shot, his ability to raise his game to a certain level when he plays against guys like irving.  it is easy to see how someone, even to this day, would buy into the concept of knight having near-all-star potential.  
    same thing with drummond in college and certainly in his first year here.  in college, he got 8 shots a game.  he played in a situation full of turmoil with the coach missing a huge chunk of the season.  
    but muhammad?
    he came into a situation and led his team in shots.  the offense was designed to get him shots in his favorite places.  he was revealed to be, not the elite, explosive athlete he was hyped as, but a run of the mill, one handed bully with a decent motor who awkwardly attacked the boards and scored a lot of points because he took a lot of shots.
    what potential is being hidden?
    he is what he is.  again, i’m not saying he’s dog meat, but i am just trying to imagine what great potential is there that is worth gambling on when there are other guys with a lot more potential – zeller, mccollum, MCW – who truly were not showcased in the way that muhammad was showcased.
    muhammad would be another, unfortunate example of joe d’s faulty judgment.
    while i haven’t usually credited this argument, i have to say that it is becoming something i’m increasingly finding attractive.  it goes like this…
    joe d’s only real successes recently have been those decisions – monroe, drummond – where others’ gross errors made it impossible for him to f-up.  that things simply fell into his lap as a result and he only did the required thing by taking those guys in the draft.
    but when he has had to actively make choices, he’s truly made scary, horrible choices – his recent coaches, AI, CV and ben gordon, etc.  
    drafting muhammad would be another example of the latter. 

    • Jun 27, 20135:27 pm
      by Pistons87

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      So when you say “muhammad would be another, unfortunate example of joe d’s faulty judgment”, you mean “Patrick’s” faulty judgment since this is his pick at this point.  So it goes without saying that if he does pick Muhammad then at least one person here agrees with Joe.

      • Jun 27, 20135:49 pm
        by frankie d

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        ph, i am sure lots of folks will support a muhammad pick.
        i’m simply saying, assuming joe picks him, as predicted here, it would be an example of joe’s faulty judgment.
        should have been clearer. 

  • Jun 27, 20134:01 pm
    by KaBa

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    So you are implying or saying (or your sources are saying) that Steven Adams a poor mans version of Alex Len will be chosen before him? Really? What’s your explenation (excuse)?

    • Jun 27, 20134:19 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      First, I have no sources, other than reading the same people that everyone else has access to. This is just pretty much my opinion based on the players I’ve watched as well as what I’ve read.

      And what’s my explanation for Adams over Len? I dunno … I think the fact that Alex Len sucks is all the explanation I need. Not saying that Adams also doesn’t suck. But those guys are basically interchangeable for me. Take your pick and maybe you get someone as good as Gregg Ostertag. Maybe.

      • Jun 27, 20134:32 pm
        by KaBa

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        Really? I never thought of Len being that bad. I do have to admit I have no idea about how good  Ostertag was during his college time. And if you look at the game of both of them, Adams doesn’t have any kind of moves at all. For me a tall version of Biyombo (thank god the bobcats picked him). I am not a fan of Len but I just think that basing on my own opinion you made a mistaake with those two picks. Other than that I think from 8 to 30 a lot of stuf can happen.

        • Jun 27, 20134:45 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Oh, I guarantee Len goes before Adams. But part of doing this mock draft every year will be to look back and see who I was right about compared to conventional wisdom. I don’t think Len or Adams are going to be top 15 players from this draft, to be honest. Like I said, those guys are basically interchangeable for me.

          • Jun 27, 20134:54 pm
            by KaBa

            Isn’t that the general problem of this years draft? A lot of those guys are somewhere in the no mens land.

          • Jun 27, 20137:28 pm
            by Filo Putz

            Besides the fact that Len is taller, stronger, more athletic and has more basketball skill I agree with you, they’re about the same…. C’mon????

    • Jun 27, 20134:23 pm
      by G

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      It sounds to me like he doesn’t think Len is that good & Adams has more upside. If he goes #1, it could be like ’98 when the Clips picked Olowokandi.

      • Jun 27, 20134:28 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        Yeah, that’s pretty much it. I don’t think either guy has much upside, to be honest, but I think Len for some reason has become insanely overrated as a prospect.

  • Jun 27, 20134:08 pm
    by Al

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    Lmaaoooo @ Patrick..

  • Jun 27, 20134:08 pm
    by Mel

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    I agree with Frankie D , NOT a fan of Shabazz Muhammad.

    • Jun 27, 20134:13 pm
      by G

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      You have an alternate suggestion for the 8th pick in this scenario, or are you just making a statement?

      • Jun 27, 20134:52 pm
        by frankie d

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        i would pick mccollum or zeller or burke or even MCW before i’d pick muhammad.  
        i just don’t see anything about him that is worth a lottery pick.  even if he develops.  
        all of those guys noted above, imho, could be much better pros, who contribute a lot more to a winning team.  and talk about gambling on guys…if MCW pans out,  you’d have a 6’5″ all star PG.
        if zeller developed, i think he could be a cross between ryan anderson and chris bosh with the ability to exploit smaller defenders in the post if teams ever tried to cheat and guard him with a smaller man.  at worst, i think zeller develops into a 3rd big who will give you 7-10 points and about 5-6 boards a game. 
        as i noted before, all i see in muhammad is a shorter CV.  at best.  there is a reason no one wants a guy like CV and why he’s been traded so often and has been an albatross around detroit’s neck since they signed him.  they might get their numbers, but they don’t help teams win. 
         

        • Jun 27, 20135:03 pm
          by G

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          In this scenario both Burke & McCollum aren’t available. That leaves Zeller & MCW. Zeller is ok but isn’t a fit with the Pistons’ roster & I’m not really sure what he DOES, other than just be athletic. MCW absolutely can’t shoot, which is a must for me on this team, and I doubt he can carry a full-time PG load. I don’t see him as an All Star, I barely even see him as a starter.

          If you’d take Zeller’s 10 & 6 over Muhammad… Why? Muhammad probably gets 15-18 ppg, and you can let Drummond and Monroe do all the rebounding. 

          • Jun 27, 20135:24 pm
            by frankie d

            @g
            take a look at this post that i stumbled across after reading something over at DBB.
            it is the best analysis – strictly by the numbers – that i’ve seen of muhammad.
             http://shutupandjam.net/2013/03/18/shabazz-muhammad-the-second-coming-of-o-j-mayo/
            his point is basically that muhammad might get you decent scoring numbers, but that is about all he’ll get you.  and, like me, he doesn’t put a heckuva lot of value in that kind of one dimensional player.
            btw, i disagree about zeller fitting here. i think he could work with both monroe and drummond.  and in fact, if he developed, he might make monroe expendable.  i see zeller’s 10/6 as an absolute floor.  my guess is that he’ll be a 15/8 guy at least, with an outside chance of being an 18-20 point scorer, if needed.  and big guys who can run the floor are always extremely valuable, more than their numbers would indicate.
            big guys with his skills do well in the nba. 

          • Jun 27, 20135:56 pm
            by frankie d

            btw, i agree about MCW and would be scared as heck to draft him.  i think he chokes on his shot.
            but if i were inclined to gamble on a player, i’d gamble on MCW, as his upside is very, very high.  
            definitely high risk, high reward.
            with muhammad, i just don’t see the upside.  i see him as a high risk, low reward player.  a common nba commodity.  why gamble on some one like that in the lottery when you could gamble on a similar type player late first, early second round?
            again, i’m not saying that he’ll be a bad player cause i don’t think he will be a bad  player.  but even at his best, imho, he’ll be someone who is fairly easy to dupicate and someone who will not be a very desirable player to have on your roster. 

          • Jun 27, 20137:58 pm
            by Filo Putz

            If you don’t get the value of a solid rotational 4-5 who brings a different skill set  when he enters the game I guess you’ll just continue to watch games and not understand what your seeing.

          • Jun 28, 20138:08 am
            by G

            What I don’t get is the value of bringing in a “rotational” guy when you need scorers, defenders, & ultimately starters. Unless I misjudge greatly, Zeller’s ceiling is the 4th best guy on a playoff team. He doesn’t help you a lot with his scoring, and he doesn’t help you a lot with his defense. He’s a bit like Otto Porter that way – ok at both, great at neither, and needs to add bulk.

  • Jun 27, 20134:24 pm
    by Byron

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    My prediction based on not really anything: we don’t get Burke or Bennett. Even if one makes it to 8, we’ll be stunned when Dumars goes another way. But it’s more likely that just neither makes it down to us. I feel like we have a slim shot at McLemore falling, but more likely we’ll end up with someone we rated lower than Bennett and Burke.

    • Jun 27, 20134:52 pm
      by Ryan

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      They probably won’t slip, and if Joe has to pick BETWEEN Bennett and Burke some of us will end up disappointed, but he doesn’t let top prospects fall past him. That’s why the Pistons have their current frontcourt.

    • Jun 27, 20134:53 pm
      by Ryan

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      Correction: He started not letting them slip past (save for Kawhi, but BK was a perfectly fine pick at 8) in 2010.

    • Jun 27, 20135:12 pm
      by Byron

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      That’s where my gut’s coming from on this: two years does not make an iron-clad trend. I don’t think Dumars is as focused on grabbing a top talent who falls as we think he is, and I think this is the year where he might let someone keep on falling past him. I badly want him to take one of the top six guys or Burke, but I’ve just got this feeling it’s going to be MCW, Shabazz, McCollum, or maybe even Zeller, even if that means Bennett goes 10th.

  • Jun 27, 20134:44 pm
    by KaBa

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    P.S. Nice Wizards Logo ;)

    • Jun 27, 20134:50 pm
      by Ryan

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      And I thought I was going to be adding a clever observation by pointing that out… does anyone even know the Cavs updated their logo too? (From gold to yellow)

      • Jun 27, 20135:58 pm
        by KaBa

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        No haven’t seen that, and i think the gold color just mashed better with the red. Have you seen the phx suns no have a black logo? 

  • Jun 27, 20134:59 pm
    by Jay wiz

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    I’m all in for Bennett or Mclemore. If both are go e have you seem the report on teams wanting to trade up for McCollum? The Jazz are offering their first rounders and  Burks, that trade is almost a no brainer if they call Joey D…right?

  • Jun 27, 20134:59 pm
    by James

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    Sorry Patrick, but I want nothing to do with Shabazz.  First, there are big differences between Shabazz and Drummond.  Drummond is an elite level athlete while Shabazz is not.  Drummond was also the best one on post defender per synergy while Shabazz is rated average to below average.  Drummond also didn’t have his birth certificate move back another year during his freshman season.

    Shabazz provides solid spot up shooting, good offensive rebounding and that’s about it.  He’s not a good defender, he’s essentially a black hole with the ball, he doesn’t get steals and he has poor lateral quickness numbers.  As someone who likes advanced stats, I have not seen one predictor yet that paints Shabazz in a favorable light.  All of the ones I’ve seen have him somewhere in the 20s or 30s.  We can do much better than him.

  • Jun 27, 20135:21 pm
    by Sharpie

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    So you have the other dopey Plumlee going undrafted?

  • Jun 27, 20135:32 pm
    by Clint in Flint

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    I believe Zeller or Shabazz for an 8 pick. How can you really tell when you don’t know what trades or free agents Joe will get. 

  • Jun 27, 20137:17 pm
    by Mel

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    Nothing wrong with Zeller he could fit with the Pistons. He has a out side game he just could use it in Indiana’s system. Out of the three Zeller brothers Cody was known to play out side and inside. So if we drafted him he would be a better version than what we had with Maxell. He’s really a power forward now. When he gets more experience he could play center and be a
    Laimbeer type cause he can shoot the three.

  • Jun 27, 20137:32 pm
    by Filo Putz

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    Finally people on this board have stopped sucking Trey Burke’s d****…

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