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Jeremy Lin could become a Piston in sign-and-trade for Jose Calderon

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com:

Another possible landing spot for Jeremy Lin is Detroit, source says. Rockets would acquire Jose Calderon in sign-and-trade in such a deal.

Lin is under contract for $8,374,646 each of the next two seasons, hardly a bargain but not necessarily wildly overpaid considering how well he played at his peak with the Knicks.

Last year, Lin played like a league-average player, which makes him a below-average starter. Still, that would probably upgrade the Pistons’ point guard spot from what Brandon Knight has provided the last two years. Of course, and improved Knight could also upgrade that position with a far lower cost.

Lin would probably make the Pistons marginally better, but I don’t think he’d move the needle too much.

Update: Vincent Goodwill of The Detroit News:

No truth to the Jeremy Lin for Calderon proposed deal, per sources.

Update 2: Alex Kennedy of Hoops World:

Regarding the Jeremy Lin for Jose Calderon rumor, I’m told Houston is much more interested in that deal than Detroit. But never say never.

If the Pistons want to see Jose Calderon, I can see why they wouldn’t be very interested right now. But if Calderon wants to leave, perhaps this trade becomes more appealing to Detroit.

78 Comments

  • Jun 30, 20139:59 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    I’ll pass I don’t want the contract…be nice if they sweetened the deal with terrance jones tho

    • Jun 30, 201310:43 pm
      by Quin

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      I’m betting we can get Terrance Jones out of it. Could even raise the stakes and end up with Asik. I love the idea. I think the Pistons need a player like Lin, who runs the pick and roll well and finishes inside. Nobody can deny he can finish. He just needs shooters. And KCP can catch and shoot, so it’s a match. Who knows, they may be able to unload Stuckey instead, and pick up the 3rd year problem on Lin’s contract. To be honest, Asik is almost equivalent to one of our bigs, and …….. Lin will fill seats. Madison Heights will just turn the power off during Pistons games, lol.

    • Jun 30, 201311:18 pm
      by Quin

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      Just read “3rd year of Asik and Lin deals are $8.4M each. $15M balloon only applied if Bulls/Knicks matched.”

  • Jun 30, 20139:59 pm
    by Chris James

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    I really hope this isn’t true.

  • Jun 30, 201310:01 pm
    by ffz

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    it would be a stupid move too because remember he has that thing in his contract that in his 3rd year it goes up to 14 million dollars or something like that?

  • Jun 30, 201310:02 pm
    by Filo Putz

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    I thought that Lin would probably be available. Everyone is predicting Dwight Howard to ?Houston but where do they get the CAP room?

  • Jun 30, 201310:02 pm
    by scott

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    i would much rather we overpay andre iguadala or josh smith than jeremy lin

  • Jun 30, 201310:11 pm
    by Brandon Knight

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    Hell no. I hate him he is so much overrated. And no he is not an upgrade over Brandon Knight.

  • Jun 30, 201310:14 pm
    by ryan

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    I don’t want Josh Smith at all.

    Andre Iguadala could be useful and he’s a solid pro not a child (Josh Smith).

    But really if Houston is looking to deal Jeremy Lin or Omer Asik why not go for Asik? He’s a far more useful player than Lin even with our current roster. Asik is also a moveable asset which Lin isn’t.

  • Jun 30, 201310:15 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    atleast the Pistons are active…

  • Jun 30, 201310:25 pm
    by Matt

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    Ok now their just saying we suck and need everyone. I’m pretty sure I’ve heard we’re interested in every player in the NBA and Euro league. Next up Greg Oden.

  • Jun 30, 201310:26 pm
    by Atlas

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    PIstons making the playoffs this year… WATCH”!!!!!

  • Jun 30, 201310:31 pm
    by Quin

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    OMG! I was just on the Rodney Stuckey post saying we need to take advantage of Houston clearing cap room and try to pick up Lin! I love Lin’s game. He would work PERFECTLY with KCP, a guy who can catch and shoot so well. DO THIS!

  • Jun 30, 201310:34 pm
    by Quin

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    This works. Lin is a finisher inside, and runs the pick and roll beautifully. He is still developing, but he’s a difference maker. It’s a total upgrade over Knight. Do it. Do it. Do it. His performance will be miles better in Detroit, where he won’t have Harden running pseudo-point.

    • Jun 30, 201310:50 pm
      by sebastian

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      Quin, you can’t be serious.

    • Jun 30, 201311:02 pm
      by Quin

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      Oh, I’m dead serious. What’s not to like? Lin is a good player. I think Harden and McHale suffocated him in Houston. He’ll go off on a team Like Detroit. And … we could possibly get Asik if offering the right package. Asik is a rebound machine. Good move all around. We can run Lin at point and let Knight do the combo thing. The contract is worth it if they balance it out with another players’ upside and good contract, like Asik or Jones. Lin averaged like 10 assists his last 5 or 6 games in Houston. And he never really got the PT and style of play that was needed to be successful.

      • Jul 1, 20139:44 am
        by G

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        What’s not to like? 3 turnovers per game (without tons of assists), bad 3PT shooting, and HORRIBLE defense.

        • Jul 1, 20133:22 pm
          by Quin

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          The six assists is a welcome upgrade for us, but he’ll get even more without Harden. After all, Harden averaged about 4 turnovers per game. Harden LED THE LEAGUE in turnovers. If that doesn’t tell you the Rockets misused the point guard position and Lin, I don’t know what does. His 3pt shooting improved to 34% for the season (it was much better later in the season), and will improve more. His defense is good, I’d say. He shut some people down, actually. You have to actually watch Rockets games to evaluate defense. Lin averages about 2 steals, in the top portion of the league.

    • Jun 30, 201311:09 pm
      by Filo Putz

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      Lin has regressed. He was a great fit for in the D’antoni system but seems lost in a spread the floor pick and roll scheme. 

      • Jun 30, 201311:17 pm
        by Quin

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        Come on, that wasn’t what Houston ran. They put the ball in Harden’s hands and placed Lin as a spot-up shooter. Anyone who watched a Rockets game saw that. They lucked up on Harden and it reduced Lin’s role. Simple. Doesn’t mean he won’t be valuable in D.

      • Jul 1, 20137:11 am
        by KaBa

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        Well Asik is not really a offensive presence. Even Drummond is more developed at that part. Having the right guys to play P&R could help, and Monroe is one of those guys, but I still don’t know what to think of Line generally. He has the same problems as Knight as being to inconsistent. Both of them are really young, if they can coexist and develop some consistency we would have a nice PG spot, nothing specetacular bot really dangerous.

  • Jun 30, 201310:43 pm
    by TheDude

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    Lin’s contract is retardedly backloaded.

    • Jun 30, 201310:45 pm
      by Quin

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      Which is why we can unload Stuckey. Dealing with that one year won’t be a huge problem, when he FILLS THE SEATS!

      • Jun 30, 201311:38 pm
        by Matt

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        14.5 in the 3rd year would defeat the purpose of keeping Charlie V and Stuckey. If it was just 8.5 for both years fine but that last year sucks. I wonder why they structured it like that?

        • Jun 30, 201311:55 pm
          by Quin

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          Fortunately, if you read the article, Lin is under contract for $8,374,646 each of the next two seasons. The 14.5 in third was only if Knicks matched. Instead, it was spread out evenly to this.

          • Jul 1, 201310:47 am
            by Matt

            No I didn’t read that just the title. Oops. I just read before the 15 mill in the final year and ESPN has him listed at 8.5. Next time I’ll read the article. Would make me feel less stupid.

  • Jun 30, 201310:54 pm
    by sebastian

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    Joe is not as stupid, as some may think. In fact, I think that Joe was bequeath some much need brain cells, sometime before the start of Thursday’s Draft.
    Ain’t no way in hell, Joe is interested in acquiring a guy who became famous after one good month of basketball, during a compressed and oddly scheduled season.

    • Jun 30, 201311:05 pm
      by Quin

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      Yeah, he’s soft. But … he can play. Without Harden suffocating him, it will be alright. Plus, he’s a Joe D type of player … a character guy. Let’s all be real, that’s why he didn’t draft Burke. Joe D will never … ever … pick up another Isiah Thomas.
       

      • Jun 30, 201311:18 pm
        by Jon

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        what is it with people who think burke has an attitude problem? i just don’t understand. 

        • Jun 30, 201311:21 pm
          by Quin

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          I wasn’t speaking in terms of Burke possibly having an attitude problem. I just mean a cocky, killer instinct guy. It’s just not Joe D’s style. Aside from Iverson, I haven’t seen an Isiah-like player in D. You know, the Kyrie Irvin, John Wall dudes who pick you apart with handles.

          • Jun 30, 201311:33 pm
            by Jon

            i think a killer instinct scorer type is the one thing this roster is missing to be on the way to winning although not in the form of jr smith who doesn’t understand how to play in an offensive system. not saying im mad about burke getting passed up, just saying his killer instinct would be a reason i would want him

          • Jun 30, 201311:43 pm
            by Quin

            But I think Lin can be that type. He’s no Kyrie, but he finishes inside well, and has great court vision, which I think is something the Pistons will desperately need to make the most out of both Drummond and KCP. It would be best if he could really shoot. But I think as he continues to work on that we can see his shot getting pretty good. Certainly better than .. like .. Rondo. I’m telling you .. Lin’s our man. I watched almost every Houston game last season because I adopted them while the Pistons were too hard to watch, lol.

          • Jul 1, 201311:05 am
            by G

            If Dumars never grabs a “cocky, killer instinct guy”, we (as a fan base) are in some serious trouble. Look at where it’s gotten the team so far. Stuckey is the only guy they drew end-of-game plays for because no one else had the balls to take the shot. Not drafting a player because he has a LITTLE bit of an edge to him is stupid. If that’s what has been directing Joe Dumars’ draft choices, he deserves to be fired.

  • Jun 30, 201310:56 pm
    by Derek AKA Redeemed

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    No please. There’s no need to add an overrated soft player to the roster.  Lin does not move the meter. He would not improve the team. He went from being the face of the Houston franchise to being a role player with the Harden signing and irrelevant with play of Beverly. 

  • Jun 30, 201311:16 pm
    by Jon

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    Please no. this FA is starting to sound like a disaster. lin and jr smith? why the hell do we want jr smith. he couldn’t even be consistent for one season and he was a huge negative in the playoffs. his only offense comes outside of a team system which is good for pick up games and that’s about it. lin can’t shoot which is what dumars just said we wanted from perimeter players two days ago. i can be convinced of iggy and josh smith even though i’d rather we left them alone but jr smith and lin shouldn’t even be considered as it would ruin all the patience that has been shown to get a solid foundation in place.

    • Jun 30, 201311:42 pm
      by Matt

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      New rumor is Rudy Gay. I seriously just think their linking us to every player in the NBA just because we suck and have money. Next we’re gunna here we’re trying to bring back Isiah Thomas to play point guard.

      • Jul 1, 201312:19 am
        by Jon

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        perfect. 20 million for the beautiful shot that never goes in. there’s a reason the grizz had their best  season ever when he left halfway through. he sucks the life out of an offense similar to melo.

        i guess these rumors are going to persist until someone is actually signed 

  • Jun 30, 201311:26 pm
    by Max

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    I would take the deal.  Lin is a huge upgrade over Knight and the Pistons probably aren’t willing to let Stuckey  start again even though he’d be a huge upgrade over Knight too. 

    • Jun 30, 201311:39 pm
      by Jon

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      neither are a significant upgrade over knight. lin offers a couple more assists per game, (in a system that flies up and down the floor with shooters all over the place as opposed to a system in detroit that drags their feet up the floor and have no shooters) the same amount of TO’s, a couple percentage points better shooting but worse from 3. all that evens up to about the same player

      • Jun 30, 201311:49 pm
        by Max

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        You sound like you don’t watch basketball but rather pore over stat sheets.   Lin is a playmaker.   If you watch him play he creates for others and his teammates love playing with him.   As for Stuckey over Knight which you didn’t even address, Stuckey is better at every aspect of basketball than Knight but outside shooting.   He also has two elite skills as a guard in terms of taking care of the ball and getting to the line whereas Knight doesn’t have a single skill where he is even above average.   On the other hand, he can’t get the ball up the floor and he is shockingly bad at running on offense.   

        • Jul 1, 201312:11 am
          by Jon

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          i won’t deny it, i do watch stats as much or more than games except in the case of pistons games which i watch them all.  but in this case im kinda thinking more about potential (which i didn’t mention, sorry) when compared to lin. knights a better athlete, shooter but a worse playmaker at this point. he’s also 3 years younger and 6 million cheaper which sounds better at this point especially with the above mentioned retarded 3rd year amount which would take away from money that needs to be available for drummond and monroe. as for stuckey, i agree he has the advantage in physical attributes but his head isn’t screwed on right to play consistent effective basketball.

          • Jul 1, 201312:16 am
            by Quin

            Let’s put it to rest. THERE IS NO BIG 3RD YEAR AMOUNT! Lin is under contract for $8,374,646 each of the next two seasons. The third year thing was only if Knicks matched. Instead it was spread out over 3 years.

          • Jul 1, 201310:16 am
            by G

            Who’s your source? Hoopshype says otherwise

          • Jul 1, 201310:28 am
            by G

            I’ve actually seen both versions of Lin’s salary impact. HoopsHype & SportsCity both have him getting a big $14M 3rd year, while HoopsWorld, BasketballReference & Spotrac (my least favorite salary source) have him getting $8M a year thru 2015, except Spotrac then shows him getting the $14M 3rd year (with 2 $5M years preceeding).

          • Jul 1, 201310:29 am
            by Ryan

            @G it is confusing. Word is they didn’t have to do that crazy 5/5/15 structure for Lin or Asik because NY and CHI didn’t match.
             
            According to ESPN, Lin was paid about $8m last year, not $5m, suggesting that his contract is now evenly split – 8/8/8: http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4299/jeremy-lin

          • Jul 1, 201310:48 am
            by G

            HoopsHype is my go-to salary source, although they don’t always get it right with weird situations (like a player getting bought out & then picked up, etc.). They had the $5/$5/$14.7 split, which I admit, could be wrong or not yet updated. I also read a Sporting News article that reported a $5/$5/$15 contract that was published May of this year.

      • Jun 30, 201311:50 pm
        by Quin

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        Dude, did you watch any Rockets games? Harden essentially ran the point, and Lin still averaged more assists. Give him the true point position in Detroit and he will easily average 8+. Especially with a catch and shooter, and a finisher inside like Drummond. Houston’s inside players have no hands.

        • Jul 1, 201312:14 am
          by Jon

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          no, i didn’t watch a single rockets game. he probably would average a good number of assists as a true pistons pg but i’m not sure he’s worth the money especially in the 3rd year when the money needs to be available for drummond and monroe. also, i like knight so i’m probably biased towards him and want him to have another chance at point 

          • Jul 1, 201312:28 am
            by Quin

            You read what I wrote about the 3rd year thing being false, right? It’s just the same number for the next 2 years. We’ll lose both CV and Stuckey, and there will be an abundance of cap space. But we could stand to pick up a good Small Forward who can defend and play good team ball.

    • Jun 30, 201311:42 pm
      by Brandon Knight

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      Hahaha you  got to be kidding me! “Huge Upgrade” lol cool story bro.

      • Jun 30, 201311:48 pm
        by Quin

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        Yep, the already greater assist numbers will be an instant upgrade. You just can’t teach court vision to Brandon Knight. Lin has it. Plus, he’ll have even higher assist numbers without Harden holding the ball for 21 seconds every possession.

        • Jul 1, 201312:10 am
          by Brandon Knight

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          Well if Lin only had one guy on his team (Harden) that controlled the ball most of the time, Knight had 4: All Bynum, Stuckey, Calderon and Even Prince controlled the ball most of the time when they played with Knight.

          • Jul 1, 201312:25 am
            by Quin

            Lol, “even Prince.” You ain’t lying. I’ll give you that point. But … none of those are as suffocating as a “star” player like Harden. I mean, Lin couldn’t even play his own position. They put him in a corner to shoot 3′s. Not his game.

      • Jun 30, 201311:57 pm
        by Max

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        Sorry Brandon but in my mind just having a player who can reliably get the ball past half court and initiate a play is a huge upgrade over Knight.

    • Jul 1, 20138:07 am
      by Derek AKA Redeemed

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      @Max I respect your opinion but I disagree. 

      Positives:

      Lin worked really well in D’Antoni’s system.  He even put together a truly legendary run for just under 20 games.  He has a nice floater in the lane and a solid standstill jumper.  He did well in the big moments with NY.  Has shown the ability to rally his teammates which suggests good leadership ability.  He is a student of the game who has been known to study film at halftime during games.

      Negatives:

      He doesn’t work well against man to man fullcourt pressure defense.  He often makes reckless plays leaving his feet committing to either pass or score.  He has not developed the ability to have several options and go to an alternative when a play breaks down.  He has shown a lack of toughness in his inability or unwillingness to play through pain (NY playoffs and Houston playoffs).  He is not a good defender, an ok defender maybe.    

      • Jul 1, 20139:51 am
        by G

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        You forgot the insane number of turnovers, poor 3PT shooting, and he’s a HORRIBLE defender (not decent, not ok, not even mediocre).

        • Jul 1, 20133:28 pm
          by Quin

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          That’s just … completely false. He’s nowhere near a horrible defender. I’d say he’s good. How are you even measuring this? He’s in the top portion of the league in steals, and I’ve seen him shut down defenders with help from his team. It’s difficult when you have to help James Harden on defense, who is like … league’s worst.

          • Jul 1, 20133:30 pm
            by Quin

            Edit .. meant to say shut down Opposing Players.

          • Jul 2, 20138:56 am
            by Derek AKA Redeemed

            @Quin Maybe it would be a little more accurate to say Lin does not guard his man well or struggles to defend isolation plays and pick/roll plays BUT he has active hands in the passing lanes.

            He gets shredded in the majority of his matchups.  I remember watching in shock as he got destroy by Jose Calderon.  The Knicks had to put Shumpert on Calderon to stop the domination.

  • Jun 30, 201311:39 pm
    by gmehl

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    This will probably come off racist but the only reason Joe would do that trade is because of Lin’s epic asian community following and the $$$ it would bring the team in jersey sales etc. I have never rated Lin as a player and he turns the ball over more than Knight does which you’d think would be impossible. The smoke is definitely coming from Houston on this rumour and its not surprising with them looking to snag Dwight. Next!

    • Jun 30, 201311:52 pm
      by Quin

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      I’d take the .2 turnovers and the +2 assists. Plus with no Harden and an actual finisher with hands, Lin gets even better.

  • Jun 30, 201311:51 pm
    by domnick

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    if they can take CV out of Detroit then get J.Lin plus package then… i like to say yes!

  • Jul 1, 201312:07 am
    by AlC

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    The same reason people love Jeremy Lin is the same reason people love Trey Burke.  Fun-filled memories and some big shots, combined with selective vision when looking at their complete game.
    Lin, Vasquez, Calderon, Burke, Nate Wolters.  What do they have in common?  Myopic fans of their game who only see the passes and the shots and don’t see their tremendous liabilities on defense or the tendency of them to get shut down by good, athletic team defenses..   
     

    • Jul 1, 201312:13 am
      by Brandon Knight

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      We need a like button on this website. Well said!

    • Jul 1, 201312:21 am
      by Quin

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      Fair enough. However, when talking Lin, you’re talking about someone who has seen less NBA PT than Brandon Knight. So those big moments? Yeah, that was essentially his first season. And last season he was misused as some sort of spot up shooter while Harden ran the ball up court. He was fine on D. At least he’s never confused, even if he falls behind on screens. I would never call him a liability. In fact, his steals numbers help a lot. He’s an athlete and much better finisher on offense than any of those dudes. And we know Houston had not a single frontcourt player with good hands. His shot will improve. Some players just need a chance on the right team (Chauncey, Rip, Ben).

    • Jul 1, 201312:26 am
      by Ryan

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      Problem is… who else are the Pistons gonna get at point? Rondo for Stuckey, Knight, and a future 1st? Maybe – no guarantee Ainge has any interest there. Teague or Vasquez? They’re gonna be hard to get. Roll with Knight for another year or 2? If he doesn’t hit those 2 extra assists Lin would give us, Monroe could be out the door. We’re not exactly looking at prime options at the 1 here.

       

    • Jul 1, 20131:27 pm
      by Derek AKA Redeemed

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      @AIC  Fun Fact Grevis Vasquez was reputed to be a better player than his high school teammate Kevin Durant.  That’s a hoot!  Still Vasquez is an accomplished player who has proven to be capable of running the offense for his college team, international team, playoff tested Memphis team (as a reserve), and his young Pelican team (as a starter).

      He’s got size.
      He can play both guard spots.
      He’s a scorer.
      He’s a competitor.
      He puts in effort on defense.

      He definitely has his liabilities, but I think there are vast number of strengths we can consider.  Good player who will be better as the years go on.  He’s probably a future San Antonio Spur (poor man’s Ginoboli).

      • Jul 1, 20137:03 pm
        by AYC

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        “He puts in effort on defense”- And gets mediocre results.  We don’t need just effort, we need results.  With the emphasis on good PG play and the pick and roll, you cannot have unathletic, B defense at the PG position. It leads to too many open shots, lobs, And 1s, and open lay-ups.  Opposing teams will have a field day with them in the playoffs.

        • Jul 2, 20131:35 pm
          by Derek AKA Redeemed

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          @AYC Agreed.  So we don’t need Lin.

  • Jul 1, 201312:22 am
    by Mo Cheeks

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    Look, I can make a star out of any PG. Just tell me who I got.

  • Jul 1, 201312:26 am
    by Peter

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    There is a long list of players doing well for Mike D’antoni and looking like mere mortals anywhere else. I’d bet on Lin being on of that list.  I’d rather overpay Calderon, worst PG defense in the NBA and all, than have Lin.

    • Jul 1, 201312:45 am
      by Quin

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      Look at the factors. Lin averaged 6 assists with Harden bringing the ball up the court every possession they were on the floor together. Houston had nobody with hands or hops (besides undersized rookies) to work with inside. Harden plays iso. That was for McHale. Cheeks will have Lin looking like a star again. Drummond will finish. KCP will catch and shoot off screens and off-the-ball movement. At the very least, Lin will average 15 pts and 8 assists. Could be much better.

      • Jul 1, 20132:28 am
        by Filo Putz

        Reply

        Of course I would like to have Lin on my team. I’m buying everything your saying about his situation playing with Harden. He has to play a support role,  rather than bal in hand initiator. I get it. But doesn’t he make like 12 per year? He is just too expensive.

        • Jul 1, 20135:05 am
          by Quin

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          $8,374,646 each of the next 2 seasons. Not the huge number people think. Worth it if you ask me.

        • Jul 1, 201310:00 am
          by G

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          Houston would have to throw something else into the deal for me to like it. This rumor is too similar to the prospect of adding Josh Smith – there are several things the Pistons need from the SF & PG positions but those players each only provide one of them. Josh Smith gives you defense on the wing but not shooting accuracy (and he’s a headcase), Lin gives you better play-making but poor defense & 3PT shooting.

  • Jul 1, 20132:22 pm
    by Joey

    Reply

    G is stupid

  • Jul 2, 201312:31 am
    by jamesjones_det

    Reply

    No god make it stop, make him stop being interested in overrated payers, please!!!

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