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Detroit Pistons #DraftDreams: Cody Zeller

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Info

  • Measurables: 7-foot, 230 pounds, sophomore center from the Indiana University.
  • Key Stats: 16.1 points, 8.5 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 1.0 steals and 1.3 blocks per game; shot 56 percent from the field and 75 percent from the free throw line.
  • Projected: Top-10 pick.
  • Hickory High similarity score

Random Fact

I guess you could call Cody Zeller the latest from the state of Indiana’s royal family of basketball to make the jump to the NBA. That’s a title they might have to awkwardly battle the Plumlee family for, but Zeller is one of three brothers to have played in the NBA in the last two seasons. Everyone knows his older brother Tyler, current Cavalier and formally of the University of North Carolina, but he also has an older, older brother named Luke.

Luke toiled at the University of Notre Dame from 2005-09 before (somehow) catching on for a short time with the Phoenix Suns this season. All three were dominant high school players, but while the older brothers have moved on to the professional ranks rather quietly, Cody hasn’t had that same kind of stealthy transition — shown below as his NBA decision makes a small child cry.

Fits with the Pistons because …

Andre Drummond and Greg Monroe are great, but they can’t play the entire game. Unless you feel comfortable going into next season with Jonas Jerebko and whatever low-end center option there is on the free agent market, Zeller makes some sense. He’s got legit size and he’s got some legit talent, and that can’t be ignored if you’re a team like the Pistons — good players will always help.

Jason Maxiell made the open 15-footer, and if he leaves in free agency, a replacement who can do that would help. Zeller can come off the bench, stretch the floor a little bit and work from the high post while Drummond or Monroe work down on the block. Floor spacing does come mainly from having shooters around the 3-point line, but having a big man who can be an actual threat from 15-17 feet is also important.

Zeller can play in a slow-it-down system, or he can get out on the break. There really aren’t any college basketball players with true post games, but Zeller is pretty good at navigating down low and getting position in his spots. His scoring efficiency dropped slightly in his sophomore season, but he still consistently put up 16-plus points a night.

Perhaps his absolute best-case scenario is LaMarcus Aldridge — another slightly built, jump-shooting big man who doesn’t rebound incredibly well — but more realistically he may be what his brother is in Cleveland, a more athletic, but less-skilled version of Greg Monroe.

Doesn’t fit with the Pistons because …

His strengths aren’t really what the team needs. He’s not going to help as a playmaker, though he can play and distribute the ball from that high-post elbow area. Rebounding is something of a concern, as is his toughness and willingness to bang around with the big boys.

There’s a lot of things Drummond needs to work on to be a better player, but getting messy down low isn’t one of them. Zeller doesn’t have that same knack — or strength — to go down into the paint and really make his intentions known. The guys that Zeller was battling in the Big Ten were good, but going from Adreian Payne and Trevor Mbakwe to NBA frontcourt players is going to be his biggest challenge off the bat.

He measured as the most athletic big man at the NBA Draft Combine last month, which is actually surprising considering that he just doesn’t come off that way during the game. There are plenty of NBA player who are athletic, but there are some that rely too much on it and others who, quite frankly, don’t use it enough. I think he might be the latter. Not to say he can’t improve on it, but he doesn’t show that explosiveness quite enough.

From the Experts

Chad Ford:

Zeller helped himself tremendously with his athletic testing numbers at the combine. He tested as the most athletic big man in the draft and was in the top five of all participants at the combine. Now he just needs to complete the deal by proving to scouts that he has the perimeter skills to make the transition to the 4 position. If he shoots the ball well, he’ll move up another few spots on our board.

DraftExpress:

Zeller’s stock took a bit of a hit this season, to the point that he is no longer a lock to get drafted in the top five as he was projected to start the year. He’ll need to have a good showing during the pre-draft process, particularly in matchups with other players at his position, but it’s difficult to see him falling too far in the draft considering he’s an athletic 7-footer with tremendous scoring instincts. Barring injury, it’s safe to say Zeller will be in the NBA for a long time.

On film

67 Comments

  • Jun 16, 20137:13 am
    by Jens

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    The prediction that Cody could coexist with Andre and Monroe is bold. I´d say no way that works! In my opinion drafting Cody is fine, but it´s probably the most uncomfortable scenario imaginable for the Pistons front Office. It would  either lead to trading one of the three bigs and/or getting rid of Jonas contract and using the amnesty clause on Charlie V. Otherwise we have the second coming of Tyler Hansbrough here. And that´s not enough for a no 8 pick! 

    • Jun 16, 201312:41 pm
      by Jon

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      he is way better than hansbrough. about the only similarity in their games is their position and they’re both white. if hansbrough didn’t play on one of the weakest benches in the league he wouldn’t even play most nights. i would absolutely get rid of JJ’s contract for a cheaper better player at the same position. same for CV

  • Jun 16, 20137:33 am
    by Sop

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    If Shabazz and MCW are both gone then he should be considered with KCP and McCollum.
    He could be a great energy guy off the bench.
    That would make for a cheap, good frontcourt for the future. 
    I think he’s slightly underrated right now because he was overrated before.

    • Jun 16, 20139:29 am
      by tarsier

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      MCW should not be considered.

      • Jun 16, 201310:45 am
        by Who Is Us

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        Totally agree. I would go further to say that NONE of the PG prospects who are considered lottery picks should be considered. One can’t shoot (MCW), one doesn’t really have a position (Macollum), and one is undersized and a marginal NBA athlete (Trey Burke). Based on the Pistons current roster, needs, and free agent availability the player shop makes the most sense is Kentavious Caldwell-Pope! He has legitimate NBA size as the SG spot, has NBA range, can create his own shot, has no problem being “the man” and carrying a scoring load, and most importantly he is a good defender! Could be another Drummond-esqe steal with the #8 pick and I believe will be a better pro than both McLemore and Oladipo.

        • Jun 16, 201311:07 am
          by jacob

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          Dumars would have see him as the best player available. I don’t know if KCP would fit that description at 8. I think it would be a good pick/fit. This draft is nutso.

        • Jun 16, 20136:32 pm
          by I HATE FRANK

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          ” can create his own shot”,

          1. its the worst part of his game, everyone says he struggles creating his own offense

          “has no problem being “the man” and carrying a scoring load,”

          2. he was the man by default, because of the lack of talent on his team, and vs the better teams he struggled tremendously 

          “”and most importantly he is a good defender!”"

          3. He gambles alot in the passing lanes, but that does not make him a good defender.

          I like his shooting range and potential, but 8 for him is too high. I’d rather Zeller 

          • Jun 16, 20138:40 pm
            by jacob

            If he was there at 13 or Muhammed at 13 I would definitely call dallas and try to get that pick.

          • Jun 17, 201312:43 am
            by oats

            Actually, KCP is fantastic shooting off the dribble. His team couldn’t pass at all, and if he couldn’t get his own shot he wouldn’t have been able to score. He’s bad at getting to the rim, but he has a knack for creating a little bit of space to create jump shots for himself. I really don’t think 8 is too high for him, but I’m not going to pretend like he’s got much separation between him and pretty much everyone else mentioned as potential lottery picks.

        • Jun 17, 20131:06 am
          by oats

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          @Who Is Us?  Burke is the same height as Mike Conley and Chris Paul. Most criticisms of him athletically seems to be based on his quickness. Here, let’s look at their combine numbers real quick.
           
          Conley: Lane agility- 11.63; Sprint- 3.09
          Paul: Lane agility- 11.09; Sprint- 3.22
          Burke: Lane agility- 11.20; Sprint- 3.16
           
          Burke is right in the range of those guys. I should admit that he did worse on the bench press and jumping portion of athletic testing, but those aren’t the things Burke is being questioned on. On top of that, he was arguably more productive than either of them in college. I don’t think he’ll be nearly as good as Paul, but Conley is totally in play. Exactly who is going to be there at 8 that is more enticing than that?

      • Jun 16, 20137:31 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        I disagree, he has to be considered

        Just because of Pure talent, and Pure Athleticism alone he should be considered, Im not soo worried about a jump shot  

        • Jun 17, 201312:49 am
          by oats

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          I’m very worried about the jump shot, but MCW does have to be considered. If his jumper never comes around he could still be a really good player, even if he doesn’t fit well with Monroe and Drummond. In that scenario the team would end up with 3 intriguing players with some serious trade potential. Given the weakness of the rest of the guys in this range, that should have him in consideration for that pick. I wouldn’t take him based on what information I have on him, but I would consider him.

    • Jun 16, 201312:57 pm
      by Jordan

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      If both of them are gone then that would mean Burke, Bennett, or Oladipo is available.

  • Jun 16, 20138:16 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Zeller is in the same boat as Shabazz,(and i know you guys are like what the HELL???)
    Zeller came into this season with high expectations from media and sports peoples, he didnt meet those expectations, and he has lost value because of it. I like Oladipo, but without Zeller the Hoosier are not a tournament team.
    Last year you could have argued that Zeller was the 2nd best PF, only behind Davis…this year your can argue that he is the best PF in this draft, and probably the most skilled, and has the most upside out of all of the bigs.
    But Yet, he is being overlooked…
    I believe if the pistons believe Zeller is the best player on the board, you dont pass on him. I beliee Shabazz might be gone before the 9th pick, and if that happens, I’d rather Zeller than wasting a pick on a player like Pope just to fill a position

    • Jun 16, 20139:31 am
      by tarsier

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      Zeller is a fairly comparable prospect to Bazz. If either goes ahead of the Pistons, that’d be great because it would make it that much more likely that a good prospect makes it to 8.

    • Jun 16, 20139:50 am
      by tom

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      While Zeller was a great college player and I think a steal if he is still on the board when we pick, to say that Indiana wouldn’t have made the tournament without him is beyond hyperbole – there was a lot of talent on that team.
      A legit 7 footer who is skilled can run, jump and shows promise to be an outside threat – I don’t see how you could ask for more from the 8th pick. It creates problems a couple years from now when we would have 3 bigs playing at or near all-star level, but that’s a good problem to have.

      • Jun 16, 20132:38 pm
        by frankie d

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        agree wholeheartedly with tom on this.
        he will be a guy that teams will kick themselves for passing on, if he lasts until the latter part of the lottery.
        but his situation is exactly the opposite of shabazz’s situation.
        at ucla, muhammad was featured.  he was allowed to play his game and ucla’s offense was focused on showcasing his skills.
        he is what he showed himself to be.  he was exposed. he will be an nba player, imho, but i just don’t see him as being anything but a guy who can get some points if given certain matchups.  in other words, just a run of the mill nba rotation guy who can come off the bench and get points.
        zeller, on the contrary, is a classic case of a college talent whose game was restricted by the coach.  he is a guy who didn’t use large parts of his offensive arsenal, largely because the coach wanted him, needed him to play a specific role within that team’s offense. 
        when you watch indiana’s games, the striking thing about zeller’s role is that he plays almost the entire game in the lane.  he roams from low block to high block, he might stray to the free throw line and the top of the key.  every once in a while he will extend a few feet out of the lane along the baseline to receive a pass.  but for the most part, the indiana coach used him strictly as a post option on offense.
        it doesn’t take a long time to realize that zeller’s game is much more versatile than that of a low post scorer.  he has an excellent handle for a legitimate 7 footer.  he moves his feet extremely well for a guy his size.  he could have been an excellent spot up shooter, dribble/drive threat, or pick and pop option for indiana, but he was rarely given the opportunity to showcase those skills in the big ten.
        when you look at him as a potential nba player, the biggest mistake is that people still regard him as a center.  he wont be a center in the nba.  he is a 4 who will be versatile enough to swing between the 3 and 5 spot, depending on matchups.  once you begin to view him in that context, imho, it is easy to see how good, how valuable he can be at the next level.
        he is very similar to lamarcus aldridge.  he is better at some things and he is not as good at some things as aldridge, but aldridge is a good starting point for comparison.
        and, imho, the chance to get a aldridge-like player at the 8 spot in an iffy draft is a great option.  it is one i’d seriously consider. 

        • Jun 16, 20136:44 pm
          by I HATE FRANK

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          “”at ucla, muhammad was featured.  he was allowed to play his game and ucla’s offense was focused on showcasing his skills.he is what he showed himself to be.  he was exposed. he will be an nba player, imho, but i just don’t see him as being anything but a guy who can get some points if given certain matchups.  in other words, just a run of the mill nba rotation guy who can come off the bench and get points”"

          1. HUH? he didnt get to showcase his skills at UCLA he adjusted to a system that put him in catch and shoot situations. (He shot 40% in catch and shoot situation which was solid to good) Example: Pope was 36% in catch and shoot and Porter was 42% in catch and shoot … Exposed? Shabazz averaged better than 18ppg 46% shoot over 40% for like the Larger sample of the season) – But im not going there…

          my point was clearly that Zeller is extremely talented, but because he didnt live up to hype, his draft value took a major hit.

          PURE Talent my top 5 players are no order

          1. Mclemore
          2. Zeller
          3. Shabazz
          4. Len
          5. Bennett  maybe Olapido

          Soo many guys have been hyped up, way beyond where they should be.

           

          • Jun 16, 20137:06 pm
            by tarsier

            Not that I tend to agree with the rest of what you said all that much, but how does Len make your list?

          • Jun 16, 20137:22 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            I’ve seen Len play several time, he has alot of post moves ( legit back to the back moves), he can rebound, and he will block his fair share of shots, he is mobile, runs the floor well and has an excellent frame.
             his weakness cant be worked in time

            I cant remember if it was you or G…but several people didnt listen to me

            But remember before the Draft Process started I said Len would be a top 5 prospect if he goes, and no one agreed.
             
            No player in this draft has his skill-set 

          • Jun 16, 20137:27 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            I’ve seen Len play several time, he has alot of post moves ( legit back to the basket moves), has the ability to step away from the basket, he can rebound, and he will block his fair share of shots, he is mobile, runs the floor well and has an excellent frame.  his weakness cant be worked in time

            I cant remember if it was you or G…but several people didnt listen to me But remember before the Draft Process started I said Len would be a top 5 prospect if he goes, and no one agreed.   No player in this draft has his skill-set 

          • Jun 16, 20138:12 pm
            by frankie d

            when a freshman comes onto a team and leads that team in shots by a large margin – 14+ shots a game, 3 more than the nearest guy – that says he is being featured.  zeller, on other hand, despite being a sophmore, shot less than 10 times a game.
            i think muhammad is going to be an nba player for the next decade.  i just don’t like the kind of player he is going to become.  
            volume shooting wings are out there to be had and i’d much rather get one later in the draft.
            guys like muhammad, who come onto a team as a prominent player – and a lottery pick will be that – tend to set a bad example for everyone else on the team.  
            get a low profile player who will be happy to come on board and get his shots and that will be much better, imho, than drafting an alpha dog scorer who will set what i consider to be a selfish tone for young players on the team. 

  • Jun 16, 20138:19 am
    by DG

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    If Zeller proves he can shoot in workouts, he will move up quickly.  Who will slide?  Burke?  Quite possible.

    • Jun 16, 201310:40 am
      by jacob

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      Heres to hoping!!

    • Jun 16, 201310:47 am
      by Who Is Us

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      Hopefully not, Burke just doesn’t fit the Pistons!!

      To quote David Mayo:
      “If Trey Burke had played at Washington or Colorado or Florida or Georgia Tech, would you be this interested in seeing him with the Pistons?  It’s rhetorical, folks, because we already know the answer, which is a resounding no.  Another small guard isn’t what the Pistons need.  And if there’s anything Burke needs after his less-than-eye-popping athletic tests at the NBA Draft Combine, it’s the right fit to start his professional career.  He did a lot of big things as a college guard and figures to have a nice NBA career.  You could say the exact same thing about Steve Blake a decade ago.  If college impact mattered all that much in NBA roster decisions, Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman wouldn’t be in the Hall of Fame.”

      • Jun 16, 201310:52 am
        by jacob

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        Well that must be a no for CJ McCollom also.

        • Jun 16, 20136:55 pm
          by I HATE FRANK

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          CJ McCollom is talented but he is a little overhyped, but he is riding the coattails or he is being linked to the success Daimian Lillard and Steph Curry…  

          • Jun 16, 20139:49 pm
            by NickB

            He’s also riding a hot streak against weak competition before his injury that made him seem a lot more efficient than he really is. I’d stay away from him. We have enough combo-guards as it is.

        • Jun 18, 20139:15 am
          by KaBa

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          A big NO for McCullum. If they draft him the pistons will have the single backcourt in the nba where not one player is having a real position, now the question is just who will be more confused by this, the rest of the nba or the pistons. Fun by side, drafting McCullum would mean getting rid of Stuckey, and I don’t see that happening after his last season, at least not for a reasonable countervalue. I’m still hoping for Oladipo as I think that he could be the biggest help straight away. (Shabazz too, I don’t have any problems with the fact that he is selfish but his acting when he doesnt get the ball is for me way too much)  

      • Jun 16, 20133:27 pm
        by tarsier

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        If he had played at Florida, Kansas, Ohio State, or any other big name school that gets big time competition, I’d be just as interested in Burke.

        • Jun 16, 20133:55 pm
          by jacob

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          The reason why like burke is because he is good. He can score and pass. His defense is underrated. That steal against msu. He is big time in the clutch. His reach is just as long as mcw. Great change of pace. His athleticism isn’t bad. He will be a top 15 pg at the least. Not sure how he doesn’t fit. We need a pg.

          • Jun 16, 20137:10 pm
            by tarsier

            agreed. his lack of athleticism keeps him out of my top three. but he is somewhere in the next three on my draft board.

      • Jun 16, 20139:38 pm
        by frankie d

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        Mayo doesnt know what he is talking about.
        Burke’s skills are very similar to calderone’s and clearly  those types of players will mesh well with drummond.
        a point guard like burke is exactly what the team needs.  sure, it would be great if burke was 5 inches taller but one seldom gets exactly what one wants. 

      • Jun 17, 201310:26 am
        by Huddy

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        “If college impact mattered all that much in NBA roster decisions, Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman wouldn’t be in the Hall of Fame.”- no because no two players make any statement like that absolute.  You might as well say, “if college is irrelevant then Kwame Brown should definitely be in the hall of fame”..just because not every college star translates to the NBA or because guys who didn’t shine in college can work out better in the NBA doesn’t mean its not a tool for finding out if a player is skilled.  
         
        Burke isn’t just some player homers latch on to because he played in Michigan.  He won player of the year…in the country not the state and lead an impressive tournament run to the final game.  Its not like people are overestimating him because of the state he plays for…he is nationally recognized in this way.

  • Jun 16, 201311:10 am
    by Who Is Us

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    He Is basically redundant on the Pistons roster, if you take Macollum then you have 3 guys who you aren’t sure whether they are a PG or a SG.

    • Jun 16, 201311:15 am
      by jacob

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      It also looks like he takes a ton of bad shots, that could have been because he was on a bad team.

  • Jun 16, 201312:18 pm
    by by key decisions know

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    thoughts on Zeller at the 3 spot?

    • Jun 16, 201312:51 pm
      by tom

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      I don’t see it. Offensively he could probably do enough of the sorts of things that a 3 does to make him really dangerous there, but I have a hard time seeing him going out to the 3 point line and stopping a legit 3 from driving. Defensively in college he was mediocre playing help defense on penetrating guards and he was mediocre at guarding big men who could put the ball on the floor.
       
      I very much agree with the comment that he won’t struggle rebounding in the NBA, he may not be an elite rebounder, but he has the height, smarts and scrap to at least be solid. A couple of years from now once he has put on a little more muscle I would be very surprised if he wasn’t an above average rebounder for a starting 4.  

    • Jun 17, 20131:32 am
      by oats

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      It’s not just the defensive problems that tom pointed out. Zeller also took only 24 jump shots in 36 games. I’ve heard multiple reports that he shot the ball well in workouts, but that isn’t really the same thing as proving he can do it in a game. He probably projects as a solid shooter for a PF, but that is a long ways from being a decent shooter as a SF. More than that, he definitely does not have the ball handling required of perimeter players. In college he spent almost all his time within about 8 feet of the rim. As a SF he would need to spent the majority of his time outside 15′. That’s just too much of a change to think it is realistic right now.

  • Jun 16, 201312:37 pm
    by Jon

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    I don’t understand the ‘zeller is a bad rebounder’ argument.  he averaged the second most in the toughest conference in the country on a team where he had to battle the best big on the other team for rebounds because there were no other bigs on his team. In the nba he’s not gonna have to battle for rebounds with the best rebounder on the other team and at 7 foot as a power forward he’d have a size advantage to go with an athletic advantage against most other players he competes with for rebounds

    • Jun 16, 20133:49 pm
      by tarsier

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      He averaged just 8 per game on a fast paced team without having to compete with any big time rebounding teammates.

      Not a terrible rebounder, but not a particularly good one. Plus, he’s likely to be worse in the pros since he won’t have such a big height advantage. 

      • Jun 16, 20135:00 pm
        by Jon

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        he will on power forwards. and an athletic advantage. the only thing that’ll hurt him is his short wingspan, which isn’t as short as advertised. he might not be a dominant rebounder but he should be able to hold his own against any player he matches up with. between moose and drummond there won’t be too many that he’ll need to get anyway

        • Jun 16, 20137:17 pm
          by tarsier

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          Playing at the 4 in the NBA, he will have less of a height advantage than he is used to. That said, I’d be more worried about him getting bullied around.

          Chris Bosh seems like a good comparison for his ceiling. And if he gets there, he’d be a phenomenal pick at 8. It’s just disconcerting that he didn’t get much better between his freshman and sophomore seasons. That doesn’t bode well for reaching his potential.

          • Jun 16, 20138:46 pm
            by jacob

            I think that if he can shoot a good % from outside even hit the occasional 3 than he could be really good. Also he is athletic and IF he can shoot from outside he would be a great fit next to Drummond.

  • Jun 16, 20131:07 pm
    by NickB

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    I actually kind of like Zeller, but there’s plenty of evidence to show that he isn’t going to amount to much in the NBA besides a backup PF.
     
    First, let’s talk about his athletic stuff. He’s a legit 7 footer, but while that’s all well and good, what matters more for him as a big is his vertical reach, which is very underwhelming. At 8′ 10″, he’s got the same vertical reach as Tyler Hansbrough, which is also smaller than Kenneth Faried the undersized PF, and Derrick Williams, a combo-forward. His short arms effectively negate his height and make him an averaged-sized PF.
     
    While he posted a good bench press number and excelled in the speed drills, that hasn’t translated into his game at all and is a good example of how the combine lies. He doesn’t honestly show good small-area quickness, which is much more valuable than how fast he can sprint with a running start, and he still gets bullied by physical opponents and struggles to establish position in the paint, due to his lack of lower body strength.
     
    Many here believe that he’ll be a great jump shooter who can space the floor better for Andre and Moose, but the fact is that he took a grand total of 24 jumpers is 36 games this season, and was extremely reluctant to shoot them when he was wide open. His FT% indicates that he can shoot, but being unwilling to shoot hinders floor spacing just as much as being unable to shoot.
     
    Finally, he didn’t finish well at the rim that much, posting a similar FG% around the rim as scrubs like Fab Melo,  Kosta Koufos, Henry Sims and Jermaine O’Neal.
     
    His intelligence, passing ability and dexterity will all ensure him a place in the NBA as a regular player, but don’t get to high on this guy, all right? He wouldn’t be an awful pick, but there will not be any reason to get bent out of shape if we pass on him.

    • Jun 16, 20131:34 pm
      by tom

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      I agree that his reach makes his actual height misleading, but I disagree with most of the rest. I don’t think anyone who actually saw him play in college was terribly surprised by his athletic numbers, they absolutely showed up in games; he is quick and fast. I’m not sure where the idea that he was bullied in the post comes from but it simply isn’t true. I do agree that he got blocked at the rim a lot, and that is somewhat troubling, but I believe he also led all of NCAA basketball in getting to the line. I would assume the FG% at the rim number you refer to doesn’t take that into account.
       
      As for his lack of production from the outside I have to assume that was more on the coach than on him. From all accounts of him in practice and in high school, further backed up by his FT shooting, he can shoot with range. He certainly didn’t show it in games, but I think that was what was asked of him. Indiana was loaded with shooters, but he was the only post presence; I think Crean determined that they were better off having one of the other guys shoot since if Cody did there wasn’t really anyone else who might rebound (except for Oladipo swooping in).

      • Jun 16, 20133:23 pm
        by NickB

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        I didn’t mean to say that Zeller wasn’t at all quick, fast, athletic, or anything, but I was trying to say that it wasn’t quite what his combine dominance indicated. Sure, he can sprint down the floor, and he’s pretty agile for a 7 footer, but some people are trying to argue that he’s almost as quick as a wing player, which is clearly ridiculous. He’s faster than most bigs, but I didn’t think he was super-special. I never got that impression.
         
        If you’ve watched a ton of Zeller’s play, I think that might actually mislead you about him getting bullied. Not a lot of teams have good bigs, who are strong, quick or talented, but I felt like Zeller could get moved by really good bigs. MSU managed to really give him trouble, with Nix and Payne.
         
        I understand that it’s pretty likely Cream wasn’t telling Zeller to shoot J’s, but it was more than that. When given wide open looks by complete accident, Zeller was very reluctant to shoot. I doubt he’s being told to pass up as good a look as he’ll get to try and force a pass or something. He just seems naturally unwilling to take outside shots. Moose is too, and that is something that needs to be coached out of him and Zeller if they are going to effectively space the floor.

  • Jun 16, 20132:52 pm
    by Ryan Kelly

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    You need 3 legit dogs at that 4 and 5 positions.  Well not need but it really does help.   Either through free agency with a guy like milsap or Jj hickson or from draft the pistons need more talent.   If zellar is there you take him.   Too good to pass up unless another guy drops unexpectedly.   If jerebko is seriously the first big off the bench it will mean joe D failed miserably at acquiring talent this offseason.   great scenario would be olidipo falling to pick 8.   And then signing iguadala and milsap.  Pipe dream I know. 

  • Jun 16, 20132:56 pm
    by Ryan Kelly

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    Agree with Tom.  zellar wasn’t supposed to shoot from perimeter in Indiana offense.   Zellar said as much in predraft interview I believe.  There is A real possibility he can shoot it with range.  

  • Jun 16, 20133:07 pm
    by frankie d

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    zeller shot 75% from the free throw line consistently at indiana.  and he shot a lot of free throws.  
    that fact, along with his smooth stroke  indicates that he can probably shoot from the outside, once he is given the chance. 
    while that is certainly not absolutely a guaranteed skill that will translate, the chances are pretty good that he will be able to shoot the perimeter shot well during games. 
    it is pretty clear that his lack of outside shooting at indiana was strictly a result of a disciplined college player doing exactly what his coach wanted him to do. 
    the fact that he was able to conform his game to the coach’s dictates is another thing that speaks well for him.
    and i don’t get the entire lack of toughness thing.  while he was beaten up sometimes, by stronger players, it always looked like he took a licking and kept coming back for more.  instead of lacking toughness, it looked to me like he was more than willing to stick his nose in there with bigger, stronger guys, even if they did bust him up pretty good.  have to admire that kind of fortitude.  and nowadays, the nba is less physical than the college game.  when he gets to the nba, the likelihood is that he’ll have more space to operate in and that he’ll be very effective, if a coach is smart about using him in various places on the floor, depending on the

    • Jun 16, 20133:33 pm
      by NickB

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      I know he can hit FT%s, I mentioned it myself, and yes he has a nice shooting stroke, but I’m concerned that he isn’t going to want to shoot outside shots. Sure, that’s what his coached asked, but that’s something he needs to unlearn, and that can be difficult to do given how reluctant he was to take outside shots period.
       
      And I did not question his toughness at all. He’s just not honestly that strong. Having a scrappy attitude is nice, but when you’re getting moved, attitude just means you look like you care about losing.
       
      Let me reiterate though that I believe Zeller’s ceiling is an effective backup big. He’s a skilled enough and smart enough player to take advantage of his physical ability and score, pass, defend, etc, just not at a really high level. I’m trying to temper expectations. We don’t have to take him at 8. We can go a different direction, because Zeller is not a can’t-miss prospect. That’s what I’m trying to say. I wouldn’t be mad if we took him, and I wouldn’t be mad if we didn’t.

      • Jun 16, 20134:34 pm
        by frankie d

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        I guess we will simply have a difference of opinion on zeller’s potential and we will see which is more accurate.  I think he has the potential to be an aldridge-style scorer who could be a borderline all star in the right situation.  
        Imho, it seemed as though  a player who limits his own game for the team’s benefit is a good thing and not a sign of reluctance.  most players of zeller’s caliber and stature are more than happy to shoot and shooting 15 foot jumpers is a lot easier than getting pounded on and banging down low – which is a preference aldridge is too happy to show on a regular basis – so it is tough to criticize a guy like zeller for doing what he did at indiana.  in fact, i would applaud that sacrifice on his part and it would make me that much more likely to draft him.  i’d see him as a guy willing to do whatever his coach wanted him to do for the team’s sake, always a good thing.

        • Jun 16, 20135:59 pm
          by NickB

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          If getting banged down low is harder, why do it? That’s just silly. If you’ve got a wide open J and you can hit it, as Zeller’s FT% indicates he can, then he should do it and save himself. It’s probably easier to hit that uncontested J than a contested shot nearer the rim. Taking and hitting those shots would not be hurting the team in any way. I get what you’re saying, I’m just not seeing it the same way. Being useful offensively from all parts of the floor can only benefit your team. I think that he could have taken a few more outside shots than he did, and I think that would have been to his benefit and naturally his teams.

          • Jun 16, 20136:44 pm
            by frankie d

            i am assuming that you saw indiana play this year.
            it was pretty obvious that zeller had strict orders from crean to stay in the lane and work that area offensively.  i’m not sure what you expect a college player to do under those circumstances?
            is he supposed to simply ignore his coach and take the shots he wants to take?
            or is he supposed to do what the coach tells him to do and stay within the offensive structure.
            that last game against syracuse was the key to understanding zeller’s year.
            syracuse was killing him down low, but he kept going in there, trying to get to the rim in the low post.
            why?
            because he was stupid?
            i don’t think so.  i think it was simply crean deciding that he had to keep zeller at teast as a threat in order to stay in that game.
            now, i think crean hurt his team and zeller by not incorporating more perimeter shooting by zeller into the offense.  but he didn’t, so zeller has the kind of offensive profile he has at this point. 
            yes, i do think it was silly.  really stupid, actually.  but i think crean, not zeller is the responsible party, as far as that decision is concerned.
            imho, zeller was simply an obedient college kid who was playing the way his coach demanded he play, no matter how dumb.
            i really, truly don’t see how you can blame the college player for that, and suggest that he should have played differently.
            the coach coaches and draws up the scheme.  the player executes the scheme.  imho, that is exactly what was happening with indiana and zeller. 

  • Jun 16, 20133:48 pm
    by Blocks by Dre

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    I heard/saw that Pistons are “really high” on Zeller. Hopefully that means we draft him with hopes of maybe moving Monroe for a really good piece. Whether people like it or not, Zeller at this point is a better fit than Monroe is and Monroe could get us a really good player that can help this team out!

    • Jun 16, 20134:02 pm
      by jacob

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      As long as we get an all star back in return.

    • Jun 16, 20134:38 pm
      by Worm

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      Except for the fact that, you know, Monroe is a proven near all-star caliber player and Zeller is completely unproven with questions about whether his game would translate. I don’t understand people who are ready to jump ship on the Pistons best player because he can’t hit a three-pointer.

      • Jun 16, 20136:39 pm
        by Blocks by Dre

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        He also can’t hit anything outside of the paint. Zeller can at least do that and whether you like it or not, in the end, a stretch 4 would do more wonders for Drummond than somebody who will just get in the way on offense. Not saying I would trade Monroe for anybody but if we get real talent in return then why not???

        • Jun 16, 20138:51 pm
          by jacob

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          Yes, if we can get real talent back. Not sure who though. It would depend I guess on our draft and free agent signings. I’m not saying I am for trading Monroe at all. But if we draft another big like Zeller than maybe we could add an elite player by taking on his salary in exchange for Moose. Either way we are going to pay Moose or someone a lot of money after next year. I wouldn’t give up on Monroe unless it was a young all star talent. I still am looking forward to seeing what he can do with Drummond in the lineup. Maybe the best frontcourt in the league in 2 years.

        • Jun 17, 20131:51 am
          by oats

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          Zeller hasn’t actually hit shots outside of the paint yet either, or at least not in actual games played at a high level. Even if that wasn’t true, he’s got a really long ways to go before he is a better fit next to Drummond than Monroe is. Monroe is a 16 and 10 guy, which is a rare commodity among players his age. Monroe is also one of the best passing big men in the league, and that goes a long ways to making him a valuable player next to Drummond. Just being a better shooter doesn’t completely make up for a guy being less productive. Zeller could get there, but the odds strongly suggest that he is not an upgrade over Monroe as a partner with Drummond. 
           
          By the way, no matter who the pick is, I’m open to trading Monroe for a talent gain. It has to be an actual improvement for the trade to make sense though. I’d be upset to see him go, but that’s the nature of professional sports.

  • Jun 16, 20134:33 pm
    by Worm

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    I would much rather the Pistons take a wing/guard in the 1st and hope that Mike Muscala from Bucknell is available in the 2nd. Looking at his pace adjusted stats (albeit from a weak conference) and his tape, he looks like a guy who can be a rotation guy on a good team. Seems a bit like Spencer Hawes or maybe a poor man’s Brook Lopez. Nice looking face up jumper and a guy who could punish a team that put a smaller defender on him. Really good shot blocker and rebounder. I’d be really excited if the Pistons could scoop him up with their second pick.

    • Jun 16, 20134:39 pm
      by frankie d

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      unfortunately i doubt muscala will last till the pistons’ second pick.  he is going to go late first/early second round.  would love for detroit to get him but he will probably be gone.

    • Jun 16, 20138:24 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      looks like Durant.. physically when Durant was in High school

  • Jun 16, 20139:34 pm
    by mongoslade86

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    I wouldn’t be to disappointed if they picked him up and maybe they will throw him into a trade for a shooting guard or veteran point guard or small forward.

  • Jun 16, 201310:57 pm
    by T Casey

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    If he;s the best player around when our pick is up, I wouldn’t have a problem with this pickup. Can’t have too many good bigs. 

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