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Pistons land No. 8 pick in 2013 NBA Draft

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  • May 21, 201311:30 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Surprise pick Cody Zeller … the only question is can he play SF

    • May 22, 201312:01 am
      by Worm

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      Not sure if sarcasm or just really dumb…

    • May 22, 201312:08 pm
      by frankie d

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      the more i’ve thought about it the more i could see zeller being the pistons’ choice.
      he could easily be a ryan anderson type PF with more size but with a bit less range.
      the more i think about him, the more comfortable with that choice i’d be.
      unlike, I HTE FRANK, however, i would much rather have him than muhammad, who is, imho, decidedly mediocre. 

  • May 21, 201311:33 pm
    by The Rake

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    Ford’s first post lotto mock has Bennett to Pistons in a seemingly unlikely scenario. Hmmm…

    • May 21, 201311:45 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      Bennet can not workout, that favor that scenario and he is being called a tweener

      • May 22, 20131:08 am
        by tarsier

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        He is the only one desirable prospect I have any hope of landing at this point.

  • May 22, 201312:34 am
    by Detroit P

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    Oats I’m sorry, but the NBA is comparable to Boxing, it’s rigged.  saying there’s too much to risk? Look at the IRA and other things that are corrupt…. theres plenty.  The nba flopping, Tim don, LBJ?  Stern freaked out on Jim Rome, convincing me it’s rigged.

    • May 22, 20131:28 am
      by oats

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      Those things tend to have a very long history of corruption. Boxing is helped by the fact that few observers understand the judging process or how fighters are matched up against each other. It’s not particularly analogous to the NBA because there just isn’t as much wiggle room in the NBA. Besides, most of the corruption in boxing is on the lower end stuff and away from the public eye. The entirety of the NBA is in the spotlight.
       
      I’ll give you the fact that the Donaghy thing is bad, but I’m not convinced the other refs are doing the same thing. There is nothing to the rest of your points. Stern freaking out on Jim Rome just means he was talking to Jim Rome. That guy is a huge jerk and could on the nerves of anybody. The flopping thing just is what it is. Players flop because it gets them calls. The league thought it looked bad and wanted to make a show of cutting down on it, but did anyone think that point of emphasis would last long?

  • May 22, 201312:39 am
    by Detroit P

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    I think we will get shabazz, his family members are great athletes, UCLA system is tough on guards, he’s athletic, and is getting hated on because his last game was poor?  And he shot shitty at the combine? That does not define a 20 year old kid.  I want him and think he will be good, but hey I loved the BK pick, so I could be terribly wrong lol

    • May 22, 20131:35 am
      by oats

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      How about the fact that he was pretty mediocre for most of the year? We’re not talking one bad game. He was just an average shooter last season, and he was a guy who did very little outside of scoring. For a system tough on guards, UCLA sure did a lot to get him looks. Not only did they get him shots, they got him the ball where he wanted it. UCLA built it’s offense around having Shabazz taking a ton of shots, so how exactly was it holding him back?
       
      By the way, I wanted Leonard or Faried with the BK pick. That’s those guys ahead of Knight. Then again, I had Thomas Robinson in my top 3 for Detroit in last year’s draft. I still think Robinson has some potential to turn it around, but I clearly missed on him.

      • May 22, 20132:19 am
        by tarsier

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        We all whiff occasionally. I remember being terrified in 2011 that the Pistons would draft Vesely or Thompson or Walker. Clearly, I nailed it on Vesely, totally missed on Thompson. Walker is yet to be determined. I’m sticking to my guns, though. He can put up decent numbers on a bad team. But I don’t think he is a starting caliber PG.

    • May 22, 20139:42 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      @DP – He is clearly better than people hear are giving him credit for you are not alone, and I think he is going be a steal in this draft. Because he can flat out score , we’ve become soo addicted to advanced stats and syngery, that we are too willing to over analzye players. Shabazz is a love him or hate him type guy No doubt, he has a percieved attitude, a perceived sense of entitlement, he came with alot of hype and maybe people fely like he didnt deliver.

      @ OATS (i tried but couldnt let it slide )
      How about the fact that he was pretty mediocre for most of the year? We’re not talking one bad game. He was just an average shooter last season, and he was a guy who did very little outside of scoring.

      1.Broken Record, but what else was he asked to do other than be a scorer? Look at where most of his offense came from, Catch and Shoot situations. He wasnt the main ball-handler and nor did he dominate the ball.

      “”For a system tough on guards, UCLA sure did a lot to get him looks. Not only did they get him shots, they got him the ball where he wanted it. UCLA built it’s offense around having Shabazz taking a ton of shots, so how exactly was it holding him back?”"

      2. I dont think it held him back it made him better, because it showed that he had a solid perimeter game. It was the thing everyone questioned, no one questioned him as a slasher or getting to the rim coming into college, but in that UCLA system, that did not use him as a slasher people questions him now…

      How about the fact that he was pretty mediocre for most of the year?

      BS!

      14 – games he scorer 20 or more (12-2 in those games)
      15 – games he shot 50% of better
      15 Home games – he averaged 19.8ppg 46.8% 48.3% for 3′s
      21 wins – He averaged  18.7ppg 46.8% 47.7% for 3′s

      Thats MOST of the Year….

      • May 23, 201310:03 am
        by tarsier

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        If he was a really good scorer, and he wasn’t asked to do anything but score, why wasn’t he getting 25 ppg or more?

        If he’s all that gifted and has no other responsibilities, I wanna see a lot more than 18 ppg. Lots of teams had someone who could get that. 

  • May 23, 20131:51 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Durant averaged 25 ppg … On 18.5 attempts …

    Shabazz averaged 14 attempts … I’m not saying he would average 25pts even if he did have 18.5 attempts per-game but he’d be close and people would still call him a ball hog….

    For the record Durant only averaged 1.3 assist … That’s that only 0.5 more assist than Shabazz and he had more touches and played more minutes .

    I’m not saying Shabazz is better or equal or should be mentioned with Durant, but it shows that when you have a certain roles with certain teams it doesn’t mean that player is limited, it means that’s how the system used them
     

    • May 23, 20132:50 pm
      by G

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      You can’t always blame the system though. Sometimes the player limits himself. Muhammad isn’t NEARLY as diverse offensively as Durant was, nor as efficient a scorer.

      What exactly was Muhammad’s role if it wasn’t to score buckets? He certainly did little else.

      • May 23, 20134:58 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        “”You can’t always blame the system though. Sometimes the player limits himself. Muhammad isn’t NEARLY as diverse offensively as Durant was, nor as efficient a scorer.”"
        in case you didnt read this part:
        Durant averaged 25 ppg … On 18.5 attempts …
        Shabazz averaged 14 attempts … I’m not saying he would average 25pts even if he did have 18.5 attempts per-game but he’d be close and people would still call him a ball hog
        then i said
        I’m not saying Shabazz is better or equal or should be mentioned with Durant, but it shows that when you have a certain roles with certain teams it doesn’t mean that player is limited, it means that’s how the system used them
        1. :::SLAPS FOREHEAD:::: maybe you are bored today, in college more than the NBA the system dictates so much and no way you can argue this. Thats why a guy can average 14ppg in college but get to the NBA and average 20. 
        But the point im making is Shabazz took 14 shoot attempts, he’s not going to score 25ppg with 14 shot attempts, Durant needed 18.5 shot attempts.
         
        “”What exactly was Muhammad’s role if it wasn’t to score buckets? He certainly did little else.”"
        his role was to score and he DID!, but he still did it within the halfcourt offense that UCLA ran…for anyone to say 18ppg is not impressive its foolishness.
        but okay lets take this a step one step further!!!!
        In the PAC-12 Tourney and NCAA Shabazz was horrible..he only had one good game…but over ball he averaged 15attempts 15.2 ppg  39.6% he was 0-10 for 3′s over 4 games…
        But in the first 28 game regular season games… he averaged 14 attempts 18.2 ppg 45% 41.6% for 3′s
        so based off numbers, stats, wins, performance which represents the real Shabazz?
        if you dont like him you dont like him, but he can score and do it well
         
         

        • May 24, 20138:47 am
          by G

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          I was making a cause & effect argument with Shabazz’s shot attempts, which you failed to realize (predictably). Maybe the system restricted him, or maybe he’s not good enough to justify shooting 18 times a game.

          Obviously there are different levels of scorers, and the better you are the more chances you get. For example, I would say Stuckey is the closest thing the Pistons have to a “scorer” (maybe Knight, but he doesn’t have the mentality yet), but you wouldn’t want him taking 18 shots a game. On the opposite end of the spectrum is Durant. You’d be pissed if he took LESS than 18 shots in a game. I believe Shabazz is closer to Durant than Stuckey, but he shouldn’t be averaging Durant-like FGA. Certainly not ‘Melo. 

          I’m not penalizing Shabazz for not scoring 25 ppg, but it should tell you he’s not as good a “pure scorer” as you think he is. For a guy who’s supposed to be a scoring machine, he doesn’t hold a candle to Erick Green, Wolters, or McDermott. They played in different systems but a pure scorer should be like a force of nature that can’t be held back. 

          • May 24, 20139:34 am
            by I HATE FRANK

             ”"I was making a cause & effect argument with Shabazz’s shot attempts, which you failed to realize (predictably). Maybe the system restricted him, or maybe he’s not good enough to justify shooting 18 times a game. “”
            1. I never said the system restricted him or held him back, I actually said it made him a better player, that he had to score in a half court offense.

            “”Obviously there are different levels of scorers, and the better you are the more chances you get. For example, I would say Stuckey is the closest thing the Pistons have to a “scorer” (maybe Knight, but he doesn’t have the mentality yet), but you wouldn’t want him taking 18 shots a game. On the opposite end of the spectrum is Durant. You’d be pissed if he took LESS than 18 shots in a game. I believe Shabazz is closer to Durant than Stuckey, but he shouldn’t be averaging Durant-like FGA. Certainly not ‘Melo. ”"

            2. Hence the part about me saying, he should be mentioned “With Durant”

            “”I’m not penalizing Shabazz for not scoring 25 ppg, but it should tell you he’s not as good a “pure scorer” as you think he is. For a guy who’s supposed to be a scoring machine, he doesn’t hold a candle to Erick Green, Wolters, or McDermott. They played in different systems but a pure scorer should be like a force of nature that can’t be held back. ”"

            3. 3 and 4 year players? In Conferences not as competive or talent heavy.

            Look Im no longer trying to sell Shabazz to anyone, Honestly if you dont like him fine . But if any other Blue Chipper, averaged 18.2ppg 45%FG 41.6 for 3 (in 28 regular season games)….Lead his team to 21 wins … Was conference Freshman of the year, and he was 20 years old, Can make the 3 ball, had a nice mid-range game, can score in the post and slash….6’6 220, 6’11 wingspan…Very good athlete… and he’s be availalbe at the 8th pick? you’d say I’ll pass?

            Foolisness…. ( its the name Shabazz you dont like not the player) …NOT SAYING YOU @G … but i hear the names people are throw out on this board, convincing themselves that these players are better than Shabazz and they are just simpley not… I love the draft, I love researching and reading about players… and the one thing everyone says about Shabazz is Scorer, Determined , Hard worker , Killer Instict ….

          • May 24, 201310:31 am
            by G

            You’re selling the player without mentioning any of his downsides, of course he’d look good. I’m not saying the Pistons shouldn’t take him with the 8th pick. It’s very possible that unless somebody screws up, Shabazz will be one of the best players available at that point. I’ve said over and over that while I HATE his game (not the name, the game), I wouldn’t kill the Pistons for taking him there. 

            I’ll say this – Shabazz’s game has been picked apart more than any other player in this draft. He’s handled it pretty well. I’m less concerned about character issues than I was (still concerned, just less). If he can be the guy he was at the beginning of the season and beef up his defensive chops, he’ll be a player and probably an All Star. I just think it’s more likely he’ll be a broke version of Tyreke Evans. 

          • May 24, 20131:23 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            “”You’re selling the player without mentioning any of his downsides, of course he’d look good. I’m not saying the Pistons shouldn’t take him with the 8th pick. It’s very possible that unless somebody screws up, Shabazz will be one of the best players available at that point. I’ve said over and over that while I HATE his game (not the name, the game), I wouldn’t kill the Pistons for taking him there. ”"
            1. You guys focus on the down side, His Upside Trumps his downside, He has all the physical ability to improve as a defender, Especially at the G/F position. He will have to become a and more willing passer, but if you look at it from this perspective, name the coach has asked him to be a more willing passer? The areas of his game that are weak are areas that can improve, just like he improved his jump shot when people said he didnt have one.

            “”I’ll say this – Shabazz’s game has been picked apart more than any other player in this draft. He’s handled it pretty well. I’m less concerned about character issues than I was (still concerned, just less). If he can be the guy he was at the beginning of the season and beef up his defensive chops, he’ll be a player and probably an All Star. I just think it’s more likely he’ll be a broke version of Tyreke Evans.”"

            2. I believe defensive intensity will have alot to do with Coaching….However, If I was to give him a reasonable ceiling without going overboard I’d compare him Loul Deng, and I hope he can work as hard on defense. However, thank you for atleast glimpsing that he has potential

  • May 23, 20131:58 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Durant averaged 25 ppg … On 18.5 attempts … Shabazz averaged 14 attempts … I’m not saying he would average 25pts even if he did have 18.5 attempts per-game but he’d be close and people would still call him a ball hog…. For the record Durant only averaged 1.3 assist … That’s that only 0.5 more assist than Shabazz and he had more touches and played more minutes . I’m not saying Shabazz is better or equal or should be mentioned with Durant, but it shows that when you have a certain roles with certain teams it doesn’t mean that player is limited, it means that’s how the system used them  

    • May 24, 20136:50 am
      by oats

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      First of all, 25.8 should round up. That’s 26 points. If he kept his shooting numbers constant, Shabazz would be at 23.1 points. That might not sound like it, but that is a pretty big difference. And that is assuming Shabazz held up, but more shots tends to reduce efficiency. Durant’s shooting was way better than Muhammad’s. He took more 2 point attempts, and made a higher percentage. He took more 3s, and made a higher percentage. He took more free throws, and he made a higher percentage. These guys aren’t close. The difference between a true shooting percentage of 59% and 53% is pretty darn big, especially when the 59% is the guy with an extra 4 shots a game. 
       
      You know who does pretty well, Kentavious Caldwell Pope. Yep, that’s right. 18.5 points on 13.4 shots would translate to 25.5 points if he took 18.5 shots, or .3 less points than Durant. As I pointed out up above, it’s hard to assume that he would actually continue scoring at that rate with that many additional shots. Still, this is why I had so much of a problem with your comments on Pope being just a high volume shooter despite Pope scoring more points on fewer shots than Muhammad. I want it very clear, I’m not calling Pope a Durant type of scorer, and I actually still think he’s in the Wes Matthews range offensively. I just think that’s where Muhammad is too, but he’ll likely be less efficient with his 14 or so points a game. I also want to point out that with just another .9 shots, which would tie him with Muhammad, Pope would be up to 19.7 points. That’s 1.8 more points than Muhammad got off his 14.3 points. More shots reduces efficiency, but only 1 shot a game shouldn’t have too much of an effect and that projection is reasonably close to what should be expected from him at 14.3 shots.
       
      Here’s a funny one if you want to go to an extreme. If he took 18.5 shots a game with his current shooting numbers, Victor Oladipo would score 30 points. Can we all agree that Oladipo is not a better offensive player than Kevin Durant? If so, we should also agree that this argument for Muhammad is pretty bad.

      • May 24, 201310:30 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        SOME ONE ME!!!! Sigh: and you say I dont read and my post arent even that long

        “”First of all, 25.8 should round up. That’s 26 points. If he kept his shooting numbers constant, Shabazz would be at 23.1 points. That might not sound like it, but that is a pretty big difference. And that is assuming Shabazz held up, but more shots tends to reduce efficiency. Durant’s shooting was way better than Muhammad’s. He took more 2 point attempts, and made a higher percentage. He took more 3s, and made a higher percentage. He took more free throws, and he made a higher percentage. These guys aren’t close. The difference between a true shooting percentage of 59% and 53% is pretty darn big, especially when the 59% is the guy with an extra 4 shots a game. ”"

        1. I WAS NOT COMPARING DURANT TO SHABAZZ..Please go back and read…Tarseir said, he would expect atleast 25ppg if his role was just as a scorer. He said 18ppg was not impressive (or something along that line) ..I simplely said Shabazz didnt take enough shot attempts to average 25ppg,(lets removed the name Durant) Erick Green averaged 25ppg this year 17 attempted, and he was the PG the Ball was always in his names, 60% of his offense can in transition vs Shabazz 26% of his offense can in Transition . This just isnt rocket science

         
        “”You know who does pretty well, Kentavious Caldwell Pope. Yep, that’s right. 18.5 points on 13.4 shots would translate to 25.5 points if he took 18.5 shots, or .3 less points than Durant. As I pointed out up above, it’s hard to assume that he would actually continue scoring at that rate with that many additional shots. Still, this is why I had so much of a problem with your comments on Pope being just a high volume shooter despite Pope scoring more points on fewer shots than Muhammad. I want it very clear, I’m not calling Pope a Durant type of scorer, and I actually still think he’s in the Wes Matthews range offensively. I just think that’s where Muhammad is too, but he’ll likely be less efficient with his 14 or so points a game. I also want to point out that with just another .9 shots, which would tie him with Muhammad, Pope would be up to 19.7 points. That’s 1.8 more points than Muhammad got off his 14.3 points. More shots reduces efficiency, but only 1 shot a game shouldn’t have too much of an effect and that projection is reasonably close to what should be expected from him at 14.3 shots.”"

        2. I tire of this Pope talk its mostly hype he was a BIG fish in alittle POND that could not swim with the BIG BOYS…Against Indinia, UCLA, Florida(twice),Ole Miss, ,Missouri, and Iona…all teams ranked or that made the NCAA Tournament … Pope averaged: 15.1ppg 39% 40% for 3′s….. You always talk about him not having a good team, he played in a barely decent conference and feasted off of horrible teams… (btw: i said that Im not saying Shabazz would average 25ppg with 18.5 shot attempts, I said he would be close, also attempts would also mean more threes and more FT attempts)
         
        “”Here’s a funny one if you want to go to an extreme. If he took 18.5 shots a game with his current shooting numbers, Victor Oladipo would score 30 points. Can we all agree that Oladipo is not a better offensive player than Kevin Durant? If so, we should also agree that this argument for Muhammad is pretty bad”"

        3. Never said He was better than Durant or could do what Durant did, I said “I nevermind” … Its not that deep or complicated its really not…

        • May 24, 20131:26 pm
          by I HATE FRANK

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          SOME ONE HELP ME!!!! Sigh: and you say I dont read and my post arent even that long

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