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Pistons advisor Phil Jackson doesn’t want to coach the Nets

Mike Mazzeo of ESPN:

Although Jackson passed on the Nets’ job, a source with knowledge of the Hall of Fame coach’s thinking told ESPN.com that he remains open to the possibility of coaching again if he had "influence" over personnel, similar to the arrangement Miami gave to Pat Riley.

So Phil Jackson wants a front-office job. That won’t make his arrangement in Detroit awkward at all. Nope, not one bit.

If I were running team looking for a general manager and a coach – not saying the Pistons particularly – I would be thrilled to hire Jackson as a GM/coach on one condition: He must coach for a couple years and choose a protégé to serve as an assist coach and his eventual replacement. I wouldn’t completely trust giving a general manager job to Jackson, who has no front-office experience. But I would be willing to give it a try if it meant a couple years on the bench from one of the best coaches of all time. He could hire Brian Shaw, or anyone else he chooses, as his coach-in-waiting and slowly transition to the front office.

Aw, heck, maybe I am talking about the Pistons. Who wouldn’t take that arrangement at this point?

35 Comments

  • May 8, 20134:38 pm
    by tarsier

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    Go for it, Pistons. What is there to lose? Besides, you’d have to think the presence of Jackson would at least make Detroit a fringe consideration for the summer’s top FAs (Paul and Howard).

    • May 8, 20134:45 pm
      by Reaction

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       I wouldn’t want Howard. I think Drummond has the potential to surpass Howard if we invest in him.

      • May 8, 20135:36 pm
        by tarsier

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        Even if he does, still better to have two franchise guys than one. Even if you just trade one of them.

        The most Howard could possibly get is a max contract, and at that price, he is a bargain. Every team that can should be falling over itself to sign him, even if only to flip him later. 

        • May 9, 20138:05 am
          by Jeremy

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          You don’t consider Monroe a franchise guy?

          • May 9, 20139:03 am
            by G

            Monroe is a franchise guy in the same sense that this girl is hot.

          • May 9, 201312:17 pm
            by Otis

            WOW, G! This is spot on. I wish every Piston fan could see this comparison.
             
            At this point, the biggest hindrance to the Pistons regaining respectability is this notion that we’re building around “Monroe, Drummond, Knight, etc.” If the organization embraced the notion that they are building around “Drummond” they would be free to make the necessary roster moves (like dangling the other guys out there and seeing what they could fetch). Joe Dumars’ philosophy that he can keep every player he likes and somehow add enough talent to build a championship roster is asinine. So we’re not helping ourselves through trade, and free agency is probably a pipe dream. That leaves the draft, which isn’t going to get us much farther especially because we’re short one future first rounder. This is a mess.

          • May 9, 201312:52 pm
            by Huddy

            Monroe is not a franchise guy, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t an important piece on the team.  I think the option of trading Monroe should be on the table as long as we are only looking for a very good return on investment.  To say trading him is completely out of the question right now is all speculation (as any trade talk is I guess) but I don’t think  throwing him publicly on the trading block is a good plan.  Players like Stuckey who have shown sparks, but don’t seem to fit the team well are the kind of guys I would like to see traded because other teams that see them as a better fit can still value them high even though they have very little value on our team.  I’d rather move Knight before he does any more damage to his trade stock by not improving much for another year (not by any means certain, but it is a risk).  
             
            There are only so many teams that would be looking to give up valuable picks/players for Monroe when he is a FA in a year anyway.  Really only contending teams don’t have the time to wait to simply buy him as opposed to giving up pieces and then paying him the next year anyway.  When talking about trades it always depends on whats available in return and i think some people overestimate the trade market because they really want to see changes on their own team.  Charlie V for example is at the top of everyone’s list to get out of town, but it is as if no one realizes that other teams might hate the idea of him on their team as much as we do, he hasn’t had any real value until now since his awful contract is expiring.

          • May 9, 201312:56 pm
            by Ryank

            Monroe by himself is not a player who makes a team a contender.  He is a second tier franchise player who can be a part of a contending team.  The proof is in the fact he would be a starter on almost every team in the league.  Perhaps Memphis, LA, and another team or two wouldn’t start him…but only because they have veteran allstars already starting for them.

          • May 9, 20131:49 pm
            by G

            A starter on a contender is not a “franchise player”. Who would he start for? Not Indiana or Chicago, maybe New York, probably Miami, not San Antonio or Memphis, not Golden State before the Lee injury (but definitely after), probably OKC.

  • May 8, 20134:44 pm
    by Reaction

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    I would do that on one other additional condition. As owner, I would want to be able to override his decisions. That way he can’t try to trade away an asset like Monroe or Drummond

    • May 8, 20135:42 pm
      by tarsier

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      owners always have veto power, but i have no reason to believe that gores would be more likely to avoid a stupid move than jackson.

  • May 8, 20135:44 pm
    by Otis

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    There is no arrangement I wouldn’t take at this point if it involved unseating Joe Dumars.
     
    That said, I don’t think Jackson wants THIS gig.
     

  • May 8, 20135:54 pm
    by piston moribund

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    I dont think that Phil would refuse someone with that kind of money if they ask, especially as well connected as Gores is probably.  Besides, if this thing turns out badly, then you can chalk up Karen D as the one who destroyed her husbands legacy, first by not allowing Joe to correct his mistakes and then by selling it to Gores.  Seems like Gores is trying his best to get Joe D to quit.

    • May 8, 20137:51 pm
      by Otis

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      “Allowing” Joe to correct his mistakes? Like unloading Rip, Gordon or Charlie? How do you suppose he could have corrected these given a green light? He couldn’t have. Nobody wanted those f*cking contracts, dude. Nobody. The “corrections” Joe made once he was free to make moves SPEAK VOLUMES. And this was after two years of limbo, AKA two fewer years on all those awful contracts. The shackles come off, and what does he do?
       
      1) He buys out Rip. Sent the dude out the door with like 75% of the money he was owed. Nobody wanted him and that abomination of a contract. Could have at least waited another season until he was expiring or something, but he walks for nothing, doesn’t even save the team much money, and he was STILL on the books this past year. NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.
       
      2) He ships Gordon to the Bobcats WITH A FIRST ROUND PICK this team can’t afford to lose. This is worse than NOTHING to show for it. He paid a very hefty penalty to “correct” this mistake. Meanwhile the team spends the whole damn season with holes at shooting guard! Starting a SF most of the year. This trade was an atrocity. If Karen Davidson was preventing moves like this, she did us a favor.
       
      3) Charlie’s still here. STILL. Even with a year and a half on his contract and a semi-productive return to the rotation, he could not be traded. What do you think he would have fetched with TWO EXTRA YEARS on that awful contract?
       
      4) He had three free agents and re-signed them all. All of them. Gores takes off the shackles and Joe comes back for two more seasons with ALL THE SAME PLAYERS (minus Rip who we still had to pay, and plus draft picks that we won by BEING TERRIBLE).
       
      This sorry old Karen Davidson excuse has to go. You’re smart enough to think for yourself. The only limitations that MATTERED were the ones Joe put on himself by handing out three of the worst contracts I’ve ever seen. With all the freedom in the world, Joe couldn’t have turned those three into ANYTHING.

      • May 8, 201310:15 pm
        by piston moribund

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        WOW, We are only privy to what is being reported so I am not going to assume anything, especially about what Joe could have or should have done.  Unless you are working in the organization, who really knows whats going on.  Point is, everyone makes mistakes, I am sure even you do, sometimes, but how one atones for them is the real judge of character.  I am not going to argue your points because they could be argued either way.  I see your point but I respectfully disagree.

        • May 9, 201312:36 pm
          by Otis

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          My point speaks for itself. I asked legitimate questions, and I’m not just going to “agree to disagree” just because we don’t know everything that happens behind closed doors. We’re smart enough to know a bad contract when we see one, and we all saw what happened once Joe was FREE to operate again: NOTHING. Buy out Rip, pay a hefty tax to unload Gordon FOR NO REASON (you really think the flexibility Joe bought us this summer is going to be the difference in the long run? Or would you rather just wait another year for a better free agent class, having taken that time to see how Monroe and Drummond look together, and keep that potential lottery pick? Face it: The only thing Joe did with that trade was buy himself a chance to keep his job by shaking things up this summer, because another season of this mess and there’s no way he survives), and bring back all his free agents.
           
          And even if atonement is your standard, what has Joe done to atone for any of this?? At least with Darko he turned that blunder into a first round pick that became Stuckey. So what do we have to show for these atrocities? In Gordon’s case, he GAVE AWAY an asset to sweep his mistake under the rug. Think he’ll be able to trade Charlie for something useful?? I doubt it. Joe has done NOTHING to correct anything. Just paid penalties to sweep his problems away. So he’s failed your standard of atonement. Stop making excuses for him.

        • May 9, 20131:41 pm
          by Otis

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          One more thing, relating to the atonement angle: When Joe had just shit all over the bed, this team was OVERLOADED with shooting guards and small forwards and pretty much nothing else. We invested so much in the wing positions it’s insane. Our three highest paid players were Rip, Gordon and Tayshaun (with Charlie V coming in fourth– wow what a bad top four). Throw Stuckey in the mix as our then-franchise star (LOL), and in the draft instead of taking a PG like Holiday or Lawson, Joe goes for Daye (GOSH, a small forward) and takes two more small forwards in the second round. So an INSANE percentage of our resources (money, picks, minutes) are poured into the wing positions. That was then.
           
          This is now. What do the wing positions look like? Rip is gone with nothing to show for him. Dumars wasted a draft pick to make Gordon go away. Stuckey is officially a BUST. Last year we had a revolving door at SG, starting a SF for most of the season. Knight probably doesn’t have the size to hold his own against starting SGs. Daye and Summers are gone, both with nothing coming back in return. Pretty much everyone agrees that our biggest needs are at the wing positions, and we have LESS than nothing to show for Joe’s WILD over-investment in the positions. What more do you need to see to realize that Joe has atoned for NOTHING. Turned none of his recent mistakes into assets of any kind, and in Gordon’s case he coughed up an asset for no reason. Case closed.
           
          “Agree to disagree” relates to a difference of opinion. Opinion is out the window, because the dust has settled on those mistakes and there is NO atonement.

      • May 8, 201310:33 pm
        by tarsier

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        To be fair, he did a good job getting the Pistons out of Prince’s bad signing.

        But yeah, the Gordon trade was awful. It is shameful that neither BG nor CV was amnestied (though hopefully he will at least get one year of CV off the books yet). And at least if you listen to what he says, he’s not willing to mortgage the present for the future, even when the present is the crap it has been of late.

        • May 9, 201312:42 pm
          by Otis

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          1) Prince’s signing was never that bad to begin with. I had a bigger problem with Stuckey’s contract. I would have just given Stuckey a qualifying offer and traded his broke ass. Prince at $7 mil isn’t a bad contract, even with that fourth year, as was proven by the fact that he was easily traded. The contract for Prince just didn’t make sense on THIS roster. Still, no need to pat the man on the back for trading away this marginal contract. I didn’t hate the contract in the first place, and at the moment it looks like we ended up with a salary dump as opposed to an asset in return.
           
          2) LOL I love the “not mortgaging the future for the present” and “no shortcuts” bull$#!+ this bogus organization spits out. What else was that Gordon trade?? What a joke.

  • May 8, 20138:30 pm
    by David

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    Is it me or does the triangle sound like a great system for the Pistons.

    - relies on big men who can pass. CHECK
    - de-emphasizes the “point guard” position. PERFECT

    what other arguments are there? Play to your strengths. A system that spreads the responsibility for ball movement away from the point guard and thru the post seems tailor made for the Pistons.

     

    • May 9, 20132:38 am
      by gmehl

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      You need shooters to run the triangle which we clearly don’t have and the last 20 years of the triangle Phil ran had either Jordan or Kobe clicking it into gear. Last time i checked we don’t have anyone close to there level at SG.

  • May 8, 20139:10 pm
    by domnick

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    i dont think we should doubt about Phil Jackson’s ability to become GM. i believe he can help our team.. maybe he and joe can team up and work together.. long term..

    if they really want our pistons to get back into contention then we have to get the best man for the job.. since we stiill love joe d then retain him.. add another head like phil jackson.. it wont hurt our team.. it will only become better.. 2 heads are better than one.. right?

  • May 8, 201310:16 pm
    by piston moribund

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    too many chefs in the kitchen.

    • May 9, 20131:48 am
      by mike

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      I love the non chalant dismissal of Phil from Pistons fans. As if this is 2004 and we don’t want to mess with the good thing we got going lol.

      We won 29 games. When your food stinks, you keep bringing in more chefs until one of them can get it right.

      • May 9, 201312:37 pm
        by Huddy

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        The more chefs the less you know what you need to actually change.  You get a new chef if you think thats the problem (enough chef examples).  Now that we have a GM, Owner, and Advisor who gets credit for a good/bad hire?  If it is a bad hire do we assume it is Dumars’ fault because of some of the recent coaching moves, blame Gores because he is linked most closely to Frank’s signing, or blame Phil because he has never had a position like this before?  Given the Phil has no experience in this position or with an organization that is rebuilding I would rather have a clear view of who is making decisions so the team knows who is accountable going forward than have an extra person aiding in the process.  It is an extremely odd move to bring in an adviser to assist someone who has held a position for as long as Dumars.  At this point in his career the organization either trusts his judgement or replaces him, advisers are for people just starting in a position.

  • May 9, 20136:04 am
    by Simon

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    I think its a great idea. I mean whats going on now? Is Joe D giving on the job front office training? I mean what does Phil know about interviewing a coach? Why does Phil need to fly to Detroit to tell Joe D who he likes as a coach? Thats a 5 line email at the most.

    Something else is going on. 

    • May 9, 201312:52 pm
      by Otis

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      I agree. This is NOT about finding a head coach. This probably has more to do with evaluating the GM. Even if Gores was stupid enough to think that bringing Phil Jackson in to “help” in the coaching search (is that even a thing? Joe’s been in the league for 30 years and GM for TEN) makes any sense at all– and God knows he’s probably that stupid– one would think Phil Jackson could explain to him that it makes no sense. Phil’s probably here to learn how Joe runs the show and advise on the GM situation.

    • May 9, 20131:52 pm
      by jason

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      Yeah.. well once you put it it like that, i completely agree with you. Definately something else going on.. 

    • May 10, 201310:36 am
      by mike

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      Not only does he not need to come all the way here to tell Joe, but he doesn’t need to stay the whole week – if all he’s doing is giving his advice on the coach. 

      It seems like that’s someting they could talk about back/forth on the phone, in multiple calls if necessary.

      There’s obviously something bigger in the works, if you ask me. Like contract negotiations for a permanent position in some capacity. Its even possible Gores is offering him an ownership stake, which would be something he’d need to come to town for a week to work out.

      But like you said, just to give advice on which coach’s he likes could be done over the phone. And even if he needed to come in and do it in person for some reason, he could arrive, do his business, and then leave the same day. Not many outsiders like to stay in Detroit longer than they have to, and for him to stay 3-4 days is odd.

  • May 9, 20139:33 am
    by tarsier

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    If there is any chance at having Jackson or Sloan for coach, I hope the Pistons jump on it. Otherwise, my vote would go to David Joerger or Mike Budenholzer.

  • May 9, 20131:03 pm
    by Jason

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    Maybe co-gms? Let Joe draft and trade and let phil do coach hirings, free agency, and trade. Probably be the best of both worlds. I think having multiple input on trades doesn’t hurt. Joe has proven his ability to draft, finding solid NBA players more times than not. However, he has a bad FA record. Phil will help bring in top talent in FA, and can learn from Joe how to do the rest. Then again, these men have egos, I am sure, so probably not going to happen. However, I think it could and would work. Come on Gores, make it happen.

  • May 9, 20131:47 pm
    by jerrific

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    I’m getting the sneaking suspicion that this “adviser” position is more like a trial run for Gore’s sake, that way he can see how Gores can see how he likes working with Jackson and if he is up for the job. 

  • May 9, 20132:04 pm
    by The Rake

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    There is no reason to be ripping Monroe. No, he’s not a franchise guy, but he’s a damn good person and a very nice player who will continue to improve. He may eventually turn into one in truth and at worst be a considerably important piece to help a team win. The issue of money is always a tricky one, guys get overpaid/overvalued all the time. Fact is, Monroe is going nowhere via trade, so we can all just move on to something more productive than debating that. Drummond and Monroe will be a good duo to play off of one another in time, with the right coach. We need a shooter to spread the floor, a decision on a PG one way or another and a perimeter defender. These will not all be achieved in one off season, but we can really make strides soon. The losing sucks, but this team has some pieces, it is going to take the right basketball minds to decide how they best fit. Look at the Warriors, now with a coach in place, a perennial loser is taking flight (in the West no less). We could do the same with the right leader and a few tweaks. Believe it.

    • May 9, 20132:20 pm
      by G

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      Not ripping Monroe, just realize that he’s not a franchise player, just looks like one by comparison. Once you realize that, he no longer becomes untouchable in various trade scenarios. Not saying trade the guy, but don’t overvalue him either.

      • May 10, 20139:19 am
        by MIKEYDE248

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        I’m not saying that Monroe is a superstar, but I think he deserves more credit than most people give him.  He is still young and learning.  He is very close to being a 20 point 10 rebound player.  How many of those do we have in the league?  He is also doing this with most other teams double and triple teaming him.  Imagine him playing with a couple of good guards to spread the floor and opening him up inside.

        The main knock against him is his defense and that is usually more just effort than anything else, so if he continues to work on that and play along side Drummond, he could be a very big piece of the Pistons future.

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