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Kyle Singler and Andre Drummond make All-Rookie second team – yay and arghhh

The two best rookie seasons in the last three years that didn’t result in an All-Rookie first-team selection belong to Detroit Pistons.

Two years after Greg Monroe was ridiculously relegated to the All-Rookie second team, Andre Drummond received a similar – though slightly less egregious – fate.

Drummond and Kyle Singler made the 2012-13 All-Rookie second team, a nice honor for Singler (whom I had on my All-Rookie second team as the recipient of a wide-open race for the final spot), but a real sham for Drummond.

I get that Drummond, due to injury and Lawrence Frank’s stubbornness, didn’t play enough to contend for Rookie of the Year, and that should count against him here, too. But Drummond still saw the court enough to lead all rookies in offensive rebounds. That’s right. Drummond – who ranked 18th among rookies in minutes, 23rd in starts and 28th in games – still grabbed more offensive rebounds than any member of this rookie class.

These awards should be selected by impact, and though Drummond’s impact was muted by his playing-time restraints, he was so good while on the court, he belonged on the first team. He rarely turned the ball over and rarely missed shots, an efficiency combination which should have boosted a candidacy that was already strong thanks to his defensive bona fides and skills on the glass.

Instead, voters used the same tired criteria as usual.

Damian Lillard, Bradley Beal, Anthony Davis, Dion Waiters and Harrisons Barnes.

Is that the All-Rookie first team or the five rookies who scored the most points per game? Doesn’t matter. The list is identical.

I doubt NBA coaches are this rote – though, they might be – so it’s more likely they just don’t care about properly selecting these teams. (And I don’t really blame them. They have far more important responsibilities. This does not belong in their hands.) It also wasn’t an anti-Pistons conspiracy, considering Brandon Knight received an undeserving first-team nod last season.

Really, these awards don’t mean much, and though I tell myself that, I still get a little worked up about them.

I just hope Joe Dumars has a better grasp of his three most valuable players than the voting coaches do.

NBA All-Rookie voting

Reminder: layers are selected regardless of position.

Player, Team: points (first-second)

First team

  • Damian Lillard, Portland: 58 (29-0)
  • Bradley Beal, Washington: 57 (28-1)
  • Anthony Davis, New Orleans : 57 (28-1)
  • Dion Waiters, Cleveland: 50 (21-8)
  • Harrison Barnes, Golden State: 47 (18-11)

Second team

  • Andre Drummond, Detroit: 35 (10-15)
  • Jonas Valanciunas, Toronto: 31 (6-19)
  • Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Charlotte: 29 (3-23)
  • Kyle Singler, Detroit: 17 (1-15)
  • Tyler Zeller, Cleveland: 15 (3-9)

Also receiving votes

  • Maurice Harkless, Orlando: 14 (1-12)
  • Alexey Shved, Minnesota: 14 (1-12)
  • Chris Copeland, New York: 9 (1-7)
  • Brian Roberts, New Orleans: 5 (0-5)
  • Andrew Nicholson, Orlando: 4 (0-4)
  • Jae Crowder, Dallas: 1 (0-1)
  • Festus Ezeli, Golden State: 1 (0-1)
  • Draymond Green, Golden State: 1 (0-1)
  • John Jenkins, Atlanta: 1 (0-1)
  • Terrence Jones, Houston: 1 (0-1)
  • Pablo Prigioni, New York: 1 (0-1)
  • Terrence Ross, Toronto: 1 (0-1)
  • Jeff Taylor, Charlotte: 1 (0-1)

38 Comments

  • May 14, 20132:26 pm
    by Brandon Knight

    Reply

    WTF is wrong with the NBA. Drummond second team??? Really??

  • May 14, 20132:42 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    I wonder what other big outside of Davis made the 1st team over Drummond?..

    • May 14, 20132:43 pm
      by Brandon Knight

      Reply

      No one just Davis!

    • May 14, 20133:10 pm
      by mike

      Reply

      It was voted regardless of position. 

      NBA needs to stop with these positionless awards. Its retarded. The All-Pro teams in all sports are supposed to be to name the best players at each positon. If you just ignore positions, what’s the point of even naming them to teams?

      The NBA doesn’t know what they are doing anymore. They are like Matt Millen with WRs. They want ever star player to be a G/F today and only promote the perimeter players.

      • May 14, 20134:17 pm
        by tarsier

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        For the rookie team, it makes sense to ignore positions. Many years, I would rather field a team of the four best guards and a power forward or the the three best centers and two wings than a normal team.

        The margin of difference between the play of rookies is just so much greater than for players on the whole because there are only maybe tops 20 of them any given year who made a significant impact.

        So honor the 5 best rookies, but one of those was definitely Drummond. 

        • May 14, 20136:25 pm
          by mike

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          I think it should be based no position still, but you’re right, even if you are just ranking the top 5 rookies regardless of position, how was Drummond not one of the 5 best rookies this year?

          Its insane. 

  • May 14, 20133:39 pm
    by mixmasta

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    If you’d like to know, here it goes:

    The first team, with point totals:

    Damian Lillard, Trail Blazers (58)
    Bradley Beal, Wizards (57)
    Anthony Davis, Hornets (57)
    Dion Waiters, Cavaliers (50)
    Harrison Barnes, Warriors (47)

    And the second team:
    Andre Drummond, Pistons (35)
    Jonas Valanciunas , Raptors (31)
    Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Bobcats (29)
    Kyle Singler , Pistons (17)
    Tyler Zeller, Cavaliers (15)

  • May 14, 20133:44 pm
    by Gil

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    I disagree.  An All-Rookie team should not take positions into consideration.  If the top five rookies are all small forwards, why should some lesser talents get recognition?  This isn’t the All-Star game, or All-Defense team, where you should be chosen based on your superiority at your position (the best defensive point guard can be more of a defensive force than the best defensive shooting guard), but All-Rookie?  That should just be the top rookies.  I mean, what if a center isn’t even taken in the first round, should a marginal second rounder be chosen just to fill a position?  That’s lunacy.  You can’t control the makeup of the draft class, so you can’t make the All-Rookie team based on position.

    If you want to be mad that Drummond isn’t on the First Team, that’s fine, but don’t blame the makeup of the team, just blame whomever is making the choices.  And perhaps Lawrence Frank. 

  • May 14, 20134:20 pm
    by MIKEYDE248

    Reply

    I have to agree with him making the second team.  The awards are given out by how much of an impact each player made on his team and Drummond couldn’t make as much of an impact sitting on the bench most of the season.  If the award was for potential, he would definately be a first teamer.

    • May 14, 20134:25 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      He still made more impact than Waiters or Barnes. He didn’t play as much time, but had way more impact per minute.

      • May 14, 20134:58 pm
        by MIKEYDE248

        Reply

        You can’t really base it off of impact per minute.  What if he only played 1 minutes a game but had a great impact in that 1 minutes. 

        • May 14, 201311:35 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          Agreed. My point is that he had so much more impact per minute that in spite of his fewer minutes, he still had significantly more overall impact. And any statistical measure I can find (aside from just points) would agree with that.

  • May 14, 20134:22 pm
    by tarsier

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    Drummond should be third behind Lillard and Davis. I expected him to be fourth because Beal was so good to end the season. But how in the heck did he get beaten out by Waiters and Barnes?

    • May 14, 20137:17 pm
      by Revken

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      Barnes scored 1.3 points more per game playing in 5 more minutes per game.  That’s all that counts.  Rebounds, blocks, steals, efficiency – none of that stuff matters.  Just points.

      • May 15, 20139:24 am
        by G

        Reply

        Coaches mailed that one in. Should probably be a media vote.

  • May 14, 20134:48 pm
    by Brandon Knight

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    I think the 10 first team votes that Drummond got are from the coaches of the teams that Drummond destroyed. The other 19 didn’t have a chance to see what Drummond can do! Injury and Frank killed Drummond this season !

  • May 14, 20135:03 pm
    by Big Rick

    Reply

    Yeah, I don’t get it. Barnes was a non-factor for most of the season, besides a few highlight reel dunks. He really didn’t show up until the playoffs recently.

    • May 14, 20139:54 pm
      by Jordan

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      He went 9-26 and everyone started talking about how great he is. Wha-the-what?

  • May 14, 20135:11 pm
    by Brigs

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    i think everybody that followed the pistons this year has a right to be pissed off, I think it does a huge disservice to how well drummond played when he was on the court and I hope he uses it for motivation going into next season. Lets face it though its just the rookie team and if you wanna see how much people pay attention to it then look no further then bk7 who made the first team last year. The recognition would’ve been great but in the grand scheme of things it’s not that big of a deal

  • May 14, 20136:03 pm
    by gmehl

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    Yep the blood is on Franks hands for this one. If he had some balls and played the kid a little more he might of still had a job. Also maybe those silly penguin movies he was making lost him a couple of votes :-)

  • May 14, 20136:23 pm
    by mike

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    You’re right Dan, its simply a top 5 rookie scorers list. Thats why Knight made it last year.

    Its a joke award 

  • May 14, 20136:32 pm
    by mike

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    Is this Drummond responding to the snub?

    He just tweeted this:

     Andre Drummond ?@DRE_DRUMMOND_
    2h
    This has to be a joke???????? lol smh

  • May 14, 20136:37 pm
    by hoophabit

    Reply

    Somewhat questionable, but of no real or lasting consequence.  No one will care in the long run.

  • May 14, 20137:19 pm
    by Scott Free

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    Drummond should have beat out Barnes merely based on his play against the Miami Heat.  Rookie centers rarely steal the ball from Dwayne Wade, let alone twice in a row.  

    http://youtu.be/yvKrthuTFUk

  • May 14, 20138:24 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    Oh well

  • May 15, 201312:22 am
    by Otis

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    Who cares? This team gets overlooked for ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING because Dumars drove us directly into irrelevance a few years back in case you missed it. Stop whining about some meaningless recognition for individuals when the TEAM is in such horrendous shape. I’m infinitely more worried about the fact that this 29-53 team, despite having all the money in the world to spend, looks unlikely to add very much talent this summer with a weak free agent class and seemingly bleak chances in the draft. Let’s wring our hands about that. Oh, and the lottery pick we’re likely to ship to Charlotte for no good reason. That’s something to be upset about. Not some bullshit recognition for one of the TWO starting caliber players on the roster., who have “conveniently” happened to have only proven themselves at the same damn position.

    • May 15, 20132:59 pm
      by tarsier

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      “This team gets overlooked for ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING”

      I think not. Knight made the all-rookie first team last season. And he didn’t even deserve to. 

      • May 16, 20132:34 pm
        by Brandon Knight

        Reply

        What you mean he didn’t deserve? You are an “Idiot”.

        • May 16, 20134:29 pm
          by tarsier

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          I mean that he was a mediocre rookie, not a special one.

          He was not one of the 5 best rookies that season. He was helped by the same scoring bias that hurt Drummond.

          And I’ll take you calling me an idiot (why the quotes by the way) as a badge of honor. 

  • May 15, 20133:17 am
    by MrHappyMushroom

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    As I’ve written elsewhere, when do we get off the “the only possible reason Andre Drummond wasn’t starting and getting thirty minutes a night starting in December was that Lawrence Frank was stubborn” shtick?
    Drummond is huge and leaps high into the air.  He’s 19, which means that his body has not yet fused together like a true adult’s.  He is raw and not in fully control of his body.  Is it really that crazy to think that it was collectively decided that he wouldn’t play excessive minutes until the team was very confident that his body could handle it?  Remember, he did, you know–sustain a stress fracture in his back. Maybe that had zero to do with the repeated strain of a 280 pound guy repeatedly leaping two feet into the air and landing hard.  But maybe it coulda?
    The Pistons were terrible this year and at best could have won 35 games.  If anyone remembers in a few years that AD wasn’t a first-team rookie, it would probably mean that his career flamed out and there was not much else to talk about.  As it is, under Lawrence Frank Drummond exceeded even the most optimistic expectations and is looking like possibly one of the game’s best players over the next decade.  Regardless of his other limitations, I’d give Frank an A for how he brought Drummond along.

    • May 15, 201310:39 am
      by G

      Reply

      Since that’s mostly opinion, I find it hard to argue with you although I vehemently disagree. The injury Drummond sustained was a stress fracture in his back. It really has nothing to do with a repeated stress on his various joints, it’s an event injury (by which I mean the source of the injury was one event, not many). Injuries from the pounding of an NBA season are more common among older players, although younger players are susceptible to muscle, tendon & joint injuries because the muscles protecting them haven’t developed enough in some cases. 

      The Pistons were committed to bring Drummond along slow because he was raw in a technical sense. He also needed work on his conditioning, but he showed he could play at least 30 minutes in a game as early as December.

      I think Frank did a terrible job because the way he used Drummond actually slowed his development. Frank impeded a rapport from developing between Monroe & Drummond, making them a worse team than they actually were in the process. If you believe the Pistons’ ceiling was 35 wins, this is especially egregious. On losing teams, it’s all about player development & Frank definitely failed there. 

      • May 15, 201311:58 am
        by MrHappyMushroom

        Reply

        Fair enough.  As long as we both acknowledge that we don’t know what was really going on, there’s no problem with politely disagreeing.I think my ultimate point is that Andre’s limited minutes was probably not a Lawrence Frank solo decision.  I don’t see any chance that he watched Maxiell and Drummond and saw Drummond as the more effective player last year.  I’d be surprised if Joe (and maybe Arnie) weren’t a part of the call.I don’t know my physiology well enough to know what causes stress fractures.  But I keep coming back to the idea that a monstrously huge guy with leaping ability and who hasn’t learned to harness his body’s power would be more likely to hurt himself.  More than any other position, potential franchise centers seem to have the greatest likelihood of having their careers derailed by injuries.  (Sampson, Bowie, and Oden are the obvious examples, but Bynum and Bogut also come to mind.)In the end, I’ll continue to stand up for Frank in terms of how Drummond progressed this year.  Even if my conjecture is wrong, he’ll still have plenty of time to get his minutes.  It maybe isn’t a cause and effect relationship, but after a year on Frank’s team, you won’t find a soul who doesn’t feel better about Andre Drummond’s future.

        • May 15, 201312:54 pm
          by G

          Reply

          Kander was only holding back Drummond’s minutes while he was rebuilding strength after the injury. Anything after that is pure speculation. Same with Dumars, although very few GM’s micromanage at such a level where they’re dictating different players’ minutes to the coach. I go back to what Frank said his reason for not playing Drummond more – namely that Monroe wasn’t ready to slide over to the 4.

          If you thought Maxiell was more effective than Drummond, I have to ask what games you were watching. Check the head to head comparison – Maxi’s per game numbers are worse across the board, despite playing more minutes. The advanced stats like Drummond a LOT more. Much was made of Maxiell’s defense as a way of justifying his place in the starting lineup, but he actually wasn’t THAT good of a defender and Drummond was actually significantly better.

          As far as injured bigs go, I think you’ll find that the number of examples drops when you start looking at guys under 7ft tall. Drummond is 6’10″. I agree, Drummond is the rising star on this team, but I don’t see what Frank had to do with it. In fact, the way Frank brought Drummond on obscured him instead of developed him. I’d say people are excited for Drummond’s future in spite of Frank.

          • May 15, 20137:29 pm
            by MrHappyMushroom

            Crap, I mistyped. I meant to write “any chance that he saw MAXIELL as the more effective

          • May 17, 20131:31 pm
            by G

            Frank’s excuse for not going with Drummond in the starting lineup had to do with fit (particularly with Monroe). He never made the case that Maxi was more effective, he said Monroe wasn’t ready to slide over to the 4.

  • May 15, 201310:24 am
    by sop

    Reply

    more fuel for the fire.

  • May 16, 201310:23 am
    by DG

    Reply

    Drummond can have the last laugh by helping the Pistons win a championship!  Dare we say DPOY – while leading the league in rebounds and blocked shots?  He’s got the talent to do it.

    Personally I thought the Valanciunas should have made it too.  I’d rather have these two than Waiters and Barnes.  

    If the voters want to look at one stat rather than the games before they vote they should at least look at a more all-inclusive stat than just PPG.  I’m actually surprised that Drummond made the second team since he finished 11th in rookie scoring…PFFFTTTT!

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