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Pistons reportedly won’t consider Bill Laimbeer, who interviewed poorly during last coaching search

Vincent Goodwill of The Detroit News:

Don’t think they’ll go through the Laimbeer thing again. From what I heard, nobody was really impressed with how he interviewed last time

This will disappoint a large and vocal contingent of Pistons fans who believe Laimbeer would answer all the team’s problems. I’m certainly not a member of that group, but the Pistons’ last three coaches – Lawrence Frank, John Kuester and Michael Curry – have failed. Maybe Joe Dumars doesn’t effectively use the interview process to determine the right hire.

45 Comments

  • Apr 20, 20133:57 pm
    by Anthony

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    I wonder if he would consider doing a big man coach gig? He may not be the right head coach, but there’s no doubt he’d be a good big man coach.

    • Apr 20, 20135:01 pm
      by Anthony J

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      My thoughts exactly but it may depend on who exactly the coach is. Each H.C. usually have a pre-determined staff (considering none of his people are hired by other teams.)

      • Apr 21, 20132:16 pm
        by Jeremy

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        I’m not so sure about this. Brian Hill spanned 2 coaching staffs (Kuester and Frank) with the Pistons. I want to say Pat Sullivan’s time as an assistant spanned 2 coaching staffs (Curry and Kuester) as well. If you look here http://www.nba.com/pistons/history/transactions_alltime.html you will find their naming of Head and Assistant coaches (more so most recently). I want to say Joe makes the decisions on the entire staff. I’m sure the coach has some input but some assistants (Ron Harper) haven’t been hired until just before the season/before training camp. 

        • Apr 21, 20132:42 pm
          by oats

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          Both Kuester and Frank served as assistants under Brian Hill in the past, so I think they just both decided to bring in someone who they’ve worked with in the past and already knew they liked. If I remember right, Rogers worked with Frank in NJ. For the most part it seems the head coach makes most of the decisions in hiring his staff, and that is usually the case for most organizations. I’m certain Dumars gives input and probably negotiates contracts, but I’m betting it’s pretty rare for Dumars to actually dictate anything about the staff.

          • Apr 21, 20133:17 pm
            by Anthony J

            Your right Oats. I remember seeing an article (I will try to find it) where Frank talked about his coaching staff and he said that he wanted people that he trusted and knows can get the job done so I do think the coach has input into the staff decisions as well as Dumars.

  • Apr 20, 20135:07 pm
    by Brady Fredericksen

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    FWIW, Roy Rogers did a pretty darn good job coaching Drummond and Monroe this year, if you ask me.

    • Apr 22, 20139:00 am
      by G

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      Didn’t it take Monroe a rather long time to adjust his game to play the PF? Based on comments Frank made throughout the year, it sounded like Drummond was ready to start in January but Monroe wasn’t ready to slide over to the 4. I remain dubious of Rogers’ big-man coaching ability.

      • Apr 22, 201312:59 pm
        by Scott Free

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        Thats what they say, but I’m not buying it for a moment.  

        Sure, Monroe might have been beat off the dribble defensively by the more athletic PFs, or rotate slowly for stretch 4s… but honestly, how well was he defending centers?

        Offensively, (I hate to boil it down to this simplistic of a level), he’s bigger and stronger than most of his opponents at PF.  That can ONLY help a post player.  In other words, which stretch 4 in the league can put a body on Monroe and hope to keep him out of the paint?

        Basketball is predicated on ‘damned if you do, damned if you dont’ scenarios… I think whether to double down on Monroe at PF, with Drummond waiting to catch/dunk an expert pass from Monroe, only helps both players.

        • Apr 22, 20131:06 pm
          by G

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          I think it was more the concept – knowing assignments, that sort of thing. From what I remember, the transition had less to do with Monroe being physically capable of playing PF and more to do with Monroe know knowing his responsibilities at the 4.

          • Apr 22, 20133:42 pm
            by G

            *not knowing

  • Apr 20, 20135:24 pm
    by Daniel S.

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    Bill Laimbeer “interviewed poorly?” What in the world does that mean? And what does it have to do with anything? All I know is there would be no 1989 or 1990 banners hanging from the Palace rafters without him. He was the heart, the soul and the drive of those Piston teams. Nasty, obnoxious and certainly not politically correct, but who cares? He is now (and has always been) a winner, demanding respect and pushing himself and his teammates to greatness. No quit in the man, and no BS either. Curry, Kuester and Frank probably interviewed like rock-stars. But hey … do you want a great interview guy or a great no-nonsense coach?

    • Apr 20, 201311:34 pm
      by Mike

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      Gore to JoeD after the Bill Lambeer interview.

      Gore: How’d the Lambeer interview go… I hear Lambeer is a popular figure among Piston fans and has a will to win second only to maybe Gregg Popovich and Lambeer won 3 WNBA championships as a head coach.

      Dumars: Yeah but he is still the obstinate self-righteous (bleep) that he has always been.  

      Gore: So your saying you don’t want someone around that might succeed and end up with your job huh?  Ok, you don’t have a job.  You are fired.

      Dumars: Don’t do this to me, after all I’ve done for the Pistons.

      Gore: Bye JoeD, go hang out with Darko.

       

      • Apr 22, 20139:01 am
        by G

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        Al Gore calling the shots in Detroit now?

    • Apr 22, 20131:47 pm
      by Huddy

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      Interviewed poorly is pretty self explanatory.  He didn’t have the right answers as far as his vision for
      the team or his coaching methods.  Why would he not have to interview well just because we was a good player?  Should any member of any championship team automatically be handed a head coaching position regardless of anything?  Look at Isaiah…great player bad coach.
       

  • Apr 20, 20135:30 pm
    by DoctorDave

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    I imagine that interview went something like this…
    JD: Hey, Bill. I know that “back then” you and Isiah ran the show, but now I’m the head bad boy. Are you good with that?
    BL: [unprintable]. I run my teams [unprintable] my way. Living in the 80′s isn’t going to get you [unprintable].
    JD: But you can’t coach men in the NBA the same way you coach women in the WNBA.
    BL: [unprintable]. I have three well-earned championship trophies as coach. You have one [unprintable] lucky championship as GM. Don’t give me that [unprintable]. If you want to win some more, hire me. If not, keep hiring the [unprintable] you’ve been hiring. You’ll be top dog in the organization, but you’re going to keep getting [unprintable].
    JD: Thanks, Bill, for stopping by. NEXT?!

    • Apr 20, 20135:57 pm
      by Anthony J

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      HAHAHA! The funniest comment I’ve seen in days!!! 

    • Apr 20, 20135:58 pm
      by Anthony J

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      Do you know how Kuester or Franks interview went? I would love to hear it.

      • Apr 20, 201311:14 pm
        by Vince

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        JD: Do you know what a basketball is?
        Kuester: I think…
        JD: You’re hired. 

  • Apr 20, 20136:10 pm
    by deusXango

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    Kudos to Daniel S. that was the most direct and sensible reply to that fool ass article written by Vincent Goodwill; “I’m certainly not a member of that group” was his statement regarding the ground swell of fan support for Bill Laimbeer. If he would use his power in the media to distance himself from being a Laimbeer supporter, he’s not a Detroiter, or a true Pistons fan; he’s just a man with a job, and his attitude of indifference toward the excitement shown by Detroit Pistons fans will allow him to kiss @$$ to keep that job.

    If Curry, Kuester, and Frank were top notch interviews, then that alone should have taught those in power that it’s more to finding a great coach than the interview; look at the results of the candidates lifes efforts also. Look at the presence they have and the respect they could command; ask yourself, “at the end of the day, will they have led the team to victory?”  

    • Apr 20, 20136:59 pm
      by oats

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      Goodwill’s job is to be a reporter, not a fan. What’s more, you can be a Pistons fan and love Laimbeer the player and be unconvinced that he will be a good coach. I like Laimbeer as a potential candidate, but I get why some people don’t. I’d bet Goodwill just genuinely doesn’t see Laimbeer as being an NBA head coach, and part of his job calls for him to present his opinions to the public. He did his job and there is nothing wrong with that.
       
      Who says Kuester or Curry were good interviews anyways? For both of them it felt a lot like the team always planned on hiring them and their interviews weren’t that big of a part of the hiring process at all. Frank was almost certainly a good interview, but that shouldn’t change things that much. A guy with a good interview failing doesn’t make a guy with a bad interview more likely to succeed.

    • Apr 21, 201312:01 pm
      by hereherehere

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      Goodwill didnt write the article, Dan FELDMAN did. You have no use on this planet from this point on. Your ignorance is infectuous.

      • Apr 21, 201312:24 pm
        by oats

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        He’s referring to this article? Man, I assumed it was something in the Detroit News that I missed. Whatever. Questioning Dan as a Pistons fan is truly asinine, there is no doubt on his allegiance. Just not thinking Laimbeer is the perfect coach is enough to not be a Pistons fan? Geez, that is dumb.

      • Apr 22, 20139:08 am
        by G

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        There are several former Pistons I think would be ABYSMAL coaches – Isiah, Rodman, Derrick Coleman, Rip, Ben Wallace (good defensive big-man coach though, just a bad HC)… It doesn’t make me a bad fan, just not a lemming.

  • Apr 20, 20136:13 pm
    by Vic

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    Lame reason not to hire a proven winner and coach. I wonder if they ever expect to win another championship with these interview-masters. News flash: when you have 2 all star bigs that complement each other perfectly on the court you need to start winning, not time to hire great interviewers and commentators

    • Apr 20, 20136:45 pm
      by oats

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      The main reason that is usually given for Laimbeer not being able to be an NBA head coach is his personality. That over bearing demeanor he is so famous for is fine for a team mate who is physically putting in the work, but coming from a coach it tends to wear guys out. The NBA has a very unusual power dynamic, with highly paid players being tougher to move than coaches. That is the possibly the biggest concern with Laimbeer, can he handle NBA players as a coach. Considering that determining how a guy will handle his players is one of the most useful tings that can be garnered from an interview, it seems reasonable that they just felt he failed in that test so badly that they aren’t going to give him another chance. Without having any information on it, I’d say it’s vaguely possible that they are right and he just doesn’t have they are looking for in a coach.
       
      By the way, does anyone actually think Kuester and Curry interviewed all that well? I’d bet they did ok, but I doubt they were great. Both of them were hired after short coaching searches, and both of them had strong ties to the organization before getting hired. It seems more likely to me that the team had pretty much decided on those guys before the search really got started than that they were great interviews.

      • Apr 22, 201312:47 pm
        by Todd

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        Great comment, Oats!

        I personally think that Laimbeer would be a great coach in the college game, where the coach is the biggest personality and star. Sadly though, we have moved past an era in which the coaches are invested within any authority by the front office. If you examine each of our post-Flip Saunders coaches they have been pretty low key guys who never had control of the locker room and were basically just trying to ad-lib with whatever the players wanted to do.

        I actually think we should follow Cleveland’s lead and take another look at Flip (if he doesn’t become the GM for Minny). His record with the Pistons was great, we came in First each year and lost in the conference finals – I would take that time back in a heartbeat! We fired him because the Pistons needed “a new voice”. Right now I would take a coach who is a leader and has a vision over this mindless, tasteless junk we have been calling a team for the last 5-6 years.  

         

  • Apr 20, 20136:16 pm
    by tim

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    Why do we trust joe D’s coaching acumen at this point?  He has shat the bed the last 3 coaches (maybe 4 if you include flip).  It is a shame that he is such an icon, because I have very little faith in a dumar’s led front office.  Laimbeer has shown he has what it takes to be a successful coach.  I dont care how he interviewed.  He may not be the answer, but hes a better hire than what Dumars has done in the past.  Unless we are get an already established nba head coach I think they should at least consider him.  shame on you duamrs

    • Apr 20, 20136:51 pm
      by oats

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      He has not shown that he has what it takes to be a successful NBA head coach. I actually like Laimbeer, but that really isn’t a given. While I’m certain he’d do better than Curry and Kuester, I don’t know if he’ll be that much better than Frank. I wanted Laimbeer to be considered, but I don’t know what actually happened in that interview last year. It is possible he raised too many red flags for them to consider him this time around. It’s not like anyone else has even given Laimbeer an interview for an NBA head coaching job, so it’s hard to fault a team that already did due diligence on Laimbeer for not wanting to go through it again.

  • Apr 20, 20139:20 pm
    by Robert Bayer

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    As many here have stated .. what does poor interview mean?  How well have all those great interviews worked out so far?  Bull Manure .. I just lost faith in the Joe Dumars .. and not surprised to see the basketgball propaganda journalists out in force once more because these guys love the Curry’s .. the Kuesters’ and the Frank’s of the wold .. who are all LOSERS!
       Just like them!!  Go ahead Joe D and EFF it up royally once more .. Your butt this time .. Remember Dumars .. you had zero experience as  a GM before you were hired ..  

  • Apr 20, 201311:24 pm
    by Vince

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    Laimbeer, McMillan, Shaw and Budenhozer are my favorite candidates. I wouldn’t mind hiring Johnson, or Hollins if he gets fired. Anyone know what Adelman’s situation is? He hasn’t entirely committed to returning as the Wolves HC. He is another guy I’d love in Detroit.

    Stan Van Gundy has gone on record to say he is not interested in coaching the Pistons, and lets not get the wrong idea, Sloan and Jackson will not come here to Detroit. I’ve had some unpleasant arguments with other commenters on different hoop sites who think Sloan and Phil will come to Detroit because of the “mentality Detroit has, the championships its won and the talent on its roster”. They’re not coming to Detroit, end of discussion. 

     

  • Apr 20, 201311:38 pm
    by EMan

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    “What have you done for me lately?” I know that’s how most people feel.

    Rick Carlisle – Dumar’s first coach hired; coach of the year; did pretty well in Indianapolis; won title in Dallas. (Most people in the forums were happy to get rid of him. Admit it–you were one of them.)

    Larry Brown – Two NBA finals; one championship.

    Flip Saunders – highest winning percentage Piston coach in regular season (.715, .588 in playoffs, 3rd best).

    That’s not a bad start for your first three coaches. It shows he’s capable of hiring good coaches.

    Only TWO Piston coaches have ever lasted at least 4 seasons: Ray Scott (1972-76, Coach of the Year 1974) and Chuck Daly (1983-92). Before Daly, Pistons had 9 coaches in 14 years.

    I would love to have Laimbeer as the next coach (with Mahorn beside him), but with Dumar’s butt on the line, he’ll probably go with a “proven” veteran coach. 

  • Apr 21, 201311:04 am
    by larryluv13

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    yeah. I think beer would be great on as a assit on the bench first. I was happy he won them titles with the women. (Still mad they let the shock go). But it’s a difference from coaching men and women. Like uconn coach said after he won the ship. He said “There’s a difference between him and coach K. Not saying he wouldn’t be a good men coach. But he knows. Yes. I think I wouldn’t have mind to give coach one more year. Some of them games we could have won and made the playoff. So I think with someone that can really shoot the ball and open it up some more. Our bigs can get more one on one. I don’t really like my big being my leading score.

    • Apr 21, 201312:56 pm
      by oats

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      I really don’t understand not liking big men as a leading scorer. There are tons of examples of it being effective, including recent examples of Shaq, Duncan, and Dirk.
       

      • Apr 23, 20138:31 am
        by G

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        Memphis with Randolph, ‘Melo plays the 4, Durant plays the 4 sometimes, Dwight in Orlando…

  • Apr 21, 201311:59 am
    by hereherehere

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    You didnt effectively check your facts before suggesting that, Feldman.

  • Apr 21, 20132:26 pm
    by hoophabit

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    Who cares how Laimbeer interviews?  Anyone who has done hiring knows that some people are great in the interview and are lousy on the job.  Others tend to get nervous and choke up in the interview, but are great performers.  Laimbeer might not be all warm and fuzzy (see Jerry Sloan or Popovich for other examples of coaches who don’t coddle players), but he knows the game and has a former player’s credibility.  I think he’d be a fine mentor for our young bigs, and would bring some intolerance for the weak approach to the game we’ve often seen from this team in recent years.  Let’s recall, Gores fell in love with Frank because of his great interview.

    • Apr 21, 20132:48 pm
      by oats

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      If everything else about Laimbeer made him a no brainer then the interview wouldn’t matter much. That really isn’t the case here. There are other factors that bring in to question how Laimbeer would handle coaching in the NBA, so also having a bad interview could legitimately kill his candidacy. I highly doubt the interview is the sole criteria in making the decision to not include Laimbeer, assuming that decision is actually being made. Laimbeer is the kind of fringe candidate that needed a good interview to prop him up as a candidate, and he didn’t do it.

  • Apr 21, 20133:30 pm
    by blighty

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    I find the “interviewed poorly” thing annoying. Before he joined the Grizzlys, Hollinger at one point reported that Tom Thibodeau was a poor interview which was why it took him couple of years to get a head coaching gig after several years of producing incredible defenses. I remember when Dumars passed on him and was angry back then. 

    • Apr 21, 20134:12 pm
      by oats

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      Thibodeau had a much stronger resume though. He didn’t invent that defense, but he was one of the first to use it and he is the one that proved how effective it could be. He completely changed the way the game is played in the NBA. Laimbeer on the other hand has been very successful coaching in a league with a very different game from the NBA. Not only are the schemes different, but the player/coach dynamic is very different too. These are clearly very different things.

      • Apr 21, 20135:22 pm
        by Daniel S.

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        “Laimbeer on the other hand has been very successful coaching in a league with a very different game from the NBA.”
         
        Hey, at least Laimbeer was successful coaching in some kind of league. Dumars hired Michael Curry who had exactly ZERO experience coaching anywhere. Personally, I’d like to see Laimbeer as the Pistons’ coach with Mahorn as his assistant and Isiah Thomas as the GM. I don’t know if they’d win a title any time soon, but I’d bet the farm (and most of the chickens) we wouldn’t have to watch this sissy brand of no-defense basketball that’s been forced down our throats these last few years. I’d give anything to see “going to work,” “bad boy” basketball return to the Palace.

        • Apr 21, 20136:53 pm
          by oats

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          Sorry, but any argument that favors Isiah and decision making should be assumed to be a dumb idea. What has Thomas done competently since he retired from playing? He ran the Raptors in to the ground. He bankrupted the CBA. He coached the Pacers who were better both before and after he coached them. He ran the Knicks in to the ground. Then he went to FIU and was canned for not being a good enough coach for that small school either. He has been awful, and I can not stress enough how far away I want him from the decision making process for the Pistons.
           
          On to Laimbeer. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. I like Laimbeer and would like for him to be a candidate. He is also far from a can’t miss coaching prospect. The team did their due diligence on him once, and if they really felt he wasn’t good enough I don’t have a problem with them deciding not to give him a shot this year.. Everyone is so focused on the interview thing, but they seem to glaze over the fact that Laimbeer’s candidacy is relatively weak. Given that, it is fair to knock him out based on a bad interview.

        • Apr 22, 20139:17 am
          by G

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          Holy crap, did you just suggest making Isiah the GM? This is the worst idea ever.

          Stop rolling in that “glory years” butter and do some actual thinking. There are several coaches available that have better basketball brains and I think could turn the franchise around. I’ve thought for years Mahorn would be a great big-man coach, but I don’t think Laimbeer would be a great HC hire and Isiah Thomas as the GM would be utter disaster.
           

  • May 4, 20138:16 pm
    by John M.

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    “Interviewed poorly” sounds like a cheap cover story. I suspect there is something between him and Joe D  and Joe D just doesn’t trust him for whatever reason.  I do think he’ll make a good NBA coach if/when he gets a chance somewhere.
     

  • Jun 9, 20139:21 pm
    by Chuck Nevitt

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    So Michael Curry interviews well enough to coach the Pistons, but Bill Fricking Laimbeer doesn’t??

    Joe, I loved you as a player, but enough is enough: you are a train wreck of a GM. Bring back Isiah or Vinnie Johnson if you want a former guard to run this hell, bring back FENNIS DEMBO or Pace Mannion–ANYONE but the arrogant idiot that our once beloved Joe Dumars has become. The sooner the Pistons tank this season, the sooner Joe Dumars can get the FIRING he so richly deserves. We can’t fix the Carlisle/Larry Brown/Darko/Chauncey Billups atrocities, but we return some pride to this franchise by hiring number 40.

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