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Pistons match season-best four-game win streak, torpedo lottery odds

Philadelphia 76ers 101 Final
Recap | Box Score
109 Detroit Pistons
Greg Monroe, C 37 MIN | 10-14 FG | 7-7 FT | 16 REB | 4 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 27 PTS | +17

Monroe has owned the 76ers, averaging 22.7 points, 13.7 points and 4.3 assists in three games against them this season.

Andre Drummond, C 33 MIN | 2-4 FG | 1-4 FT | 8 REB | 0 AST | 2 STL | 1 BLK | 3 TO | 5 PTS | -3

This was far from Drummond’s best game, but he’s so athletic, he still made several positive plays. That’s certainly an upgrade from Jason Maxiell‘s no-show starts.

Brandon Knight, PG 31 MIN | 5-16 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 4 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 12 PTS | +9

Knight, to his credit, eased his way into this game. He began by making a couple quality, but high percentage, passes and then worked for good shots. But as the game progressed, Knight drifted back into the player who took poor care of the ball and bad shots.

Rodney Stuckey, PG 33 MIN | 3-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 6 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 8 PTS | +13

Stuckey was clearly the point guard at the get-go, but he still deferred to Knight. At a certain point, he can’t just blame Lawrence Frank for taking the ball out of his hands. Stuckey has been more passive this season.

Kyle Singler, SG 31 MIN | 6-11 FG | 2-2 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 16 PTS | +18

Singler hadn’t scored this much in 11 games, but tonight was a reminder he’s still better than Middleton right now.

Jonas Jerebko, PF 20 MIN | 3-7 FG | 3-4 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 9 PTS | +12

A Jerebko that is good every other game is definite progress from earlier in the season.

Charlie Villanueva, PF 6 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -10

We know Villanueva isn’t defending or rebounding, but when he’s not even shooting, what’s the point?

Khris Middleton, SF 16 MIN | 4-7 FG | 1-1 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 10 PTS | -6

Middleton is definitely getting more comfortable on both ends of the court. He’s still behind Singler, but the gap might be narrowing. (I say "might," because Middleton hasn’t shown his improvement over a large enough and meaningful enough sample.)

Will Bynum, PG 25 MIN | 8-13 FG | 4-4 FT | 3 REB | 6 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 22 PTS | +4

Bynum is finishing the season on a high note and making sure he gets paid this summer. Good for him. He deserves one more multi-year contract.

Kim English, SG 9 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -14

English was a glaringly bad -14 in nine minutes, but I think this was one of many times single-game plus-minus misleads. English didn’t really do anything wrong, other than play six of his minutes with Villanueva. The rookie just happened to be on the court when Detroit missed shots and Philadelphia made them. That said, English didn’t do anything to positively impact the game, either.

Lawrence Frank

Frank stuck with Drummond long enough to let the rookie foul out, and really, he gave everyone who played a chance to show their ability. Some took advantage. Some didn’t.

133 Comments

  • Apr 15, 201311:13 pm
    by Scott Carter

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    Meaningless and pointless. “Hey, that’s a loser’s mentality.” BULLS&%T!!! We do this every year. Why do we always have to wait until we’re eliminated from the playoffs before we go on a big (meaningless) win streak. Looks like we’re picking 7-9, AGAIN!! smfh

  • Apr 15, 201311:34 pm
    by Kobina

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    Thanks for nothing!  How bad is a franchise when they can’t even get losing right?

    • Apr 16, 201312:08 am
      by Blocks by Dre (Burke for the win!!)

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      If there was ever a reason to get a “like” button for comments on this site, this would be it

      • Apr 16, 201312:47 am
        by gmehl

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        If it was there then i’d press it…about 100 times

  • Apr 15, 201311:37 pm
    by Josh

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    You’re right, man. I think it’s really more of balancing off in terms of record, which is drastically unfortunate for our lottery odds. But the truth is, we were never really as bad a team as we were a month ago and it only went like that because of the injuries. What we really are is a middle of a pack lottery team. Nothing more, nothing less. It just sucks for us that it took us till the last week of the season to get back up to that status.

    • Apr 16, 201310:08 am
      by Keith

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      Actually, the team IS that bad. If you look at our point differential for the year, it’s at negative 4.0. That’s 6th worst in the league. The reality of that situation is actually worse. Point differential is not weighted based on pace, and we are a sloooooow team. This means those teams with worse point differentials (Sacramento, Cleveland) may actually be better than us because they run at a faster pace.
       
      This team has been bad all year. It wasn’t just last month. We’ve ebbed and flowed with the schedule, that’s it. At this point in the year, winning serves no purpose, and other teams get that. They tank like they should. We, on the other hand, go out and beat up those tanking teams for what? Is another Andre Drummond going to fall into our laps?

      • Apr 16, 201312:09 pm
        by frankie d

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        exactly.  this is a sign that everyone is panicking.  
        dumars is afraid of losing his job, as is frank.
        otherwise, dumars should have shut both knight and drummond down a long time ago.  knight is still hurt and drummond’s back injury should have been enough to put him on the shelf for the rest of the year.the big euro and english and middleton and maybe a d-league signee should have finished out the season.  
         

        • Apr 16, 20133:57 pm
          by T Casey

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          It think the problem with shutting down players, Drummond in specific, is he didn’t get enough playing time with Monroe earlier in the season when he deserved it so the question of whether or not they can play well together was still in the air. And the front office needs to know going into the offseason in order to make the best moves possible. So here we are when we’ve already shot ourselves in the foot not playing our best players together earlier in the season when it would’ve benefitted us in the playoff race and now we have to play them when it hurts the team the most as our improved play is moving us out of better draft positioning.

  • Apr 15, 201311:41 pm
    by Josh

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    Oh and on a side note, Jerebko with a D+? I didn’t watch the game, but with a fairly good stat line and a good comment from you guys, I was wondering whether that was a typo or not? A D+ meant he played worse than Knight.

  • Apr 16, 201312:11 am
    by Blocks by Dre (Burke for the win!!)

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    And with the 8th pick in the draft and pretty much nobody useful left on the board, Detroit selects….yetanga horanga from ??????

  • Apr 16, 201312:15 am
    by Mark

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    I am completely frustrated with this team and its leadership. These victories are meaningless.  Gore sounded pretty unhappy at his press conference. I hope he just puts Dumars and Franks out of their misery. 

    • Apr 16, 201312:24 am
      by Brandon Knight

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      Fire Frank sure, but not Dumars. This would kill the team. Nobody knows the team better than Dumars.

    • Apr 16, 20131:29 am
      by Byron

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      The owner understands the lottery? That actually sounds pretty fantastic, from a long-term point-of-view.

      • Apr 16, 20135:25 pm
        by Matt

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        That reminds me of someone (I can’t remember who, but Bill Simmons used to reference it) referring to Elgin Baylor as a “veteran of the lottery process”.

        I think the person might have, sort of, meant it as a compliment, but it’s the back-handiest of compliments, that’s for sure.

        • Apr 16, 20138:24 pm
          by Byron

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          Maybe, but we know Gores isn’t actually accustomed to the lottery, since he’s been around for about five minutes. It’s just nice that he understands how a win now might cost us several in more important years.

  • Apr 16, 201312:23 am
    by Brandon Knight

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    Wow you guys need to calm down, it is not like we are going miss on Lebron James,Blake Griffin, or DRose! This is a shitty draft. No need to cry!

    • Apr 16, 201312:34 am
      by Jacob

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      Ya the only bad part if we pick 8 is we get the leftover of Noel Mclemore Porter Smart Burke Bennet Oladipo Muhammmed

    • Apr 16, 201312:56 am
      by gmehl

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      Yeah the top 8 guys in no particular order is:
      1) Noel
      2) McLemore
      3) Smart
      4) Burke
      5) Porter
      6) Oladipo
      7) Bennett
      8) Muhammed

      If we end up with the 9th pick then we will likely be choosing from Zeller, MC Williams, Plumee, Len. 1 week ago we had a decent chance at getting almost any of those guys. For those of you that don’t believe in the draft being rigged then now is the time to start hoping that it is.

      • Apr 16, 20131:08 am
        by gmehl

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        And by any of those guys i meant from #1 to #8. I can’t believe this has actually happened. Someone please explain to me how this could happen. Sacramento, New Orleans, Washington and Minnesota must all be laughing there asses of right now. 

        • Apr 16, 201310:49 am
          by G

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          You shouldn’t be that surprising. Those Western Conf teams had a MUCH tougher schedule, it was pretty easy to envision Detroit passing a couple of even before you factor in tanking. And you have to factoring tanking, Dumars is more tanking-averse than most other GM’s.

      • Apr 16, 20131:58 am
        by Jordan

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        Don’t sleep on McCollum if he’s okay medically.

      • Apr 16, 20137:13 am
        by oats

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        I prefer Kentavious Caldwell Pope to Muhammad, and I mean by a wide margin. If Harris goes, and I’m thinking he doesn’t but it isn’t official, then I like Harris more than Muhammad. I slightly prefer MCW to him as well, but I would not get that upset about it if they took Muhammad instead.

        • Apr 16, 20138:25 am
          by I HATE FRANK

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          Ridiculous!

          No matter what stats you put up, if you believe that Shabazz right now is not a better player than Pope….

          • Apr 16, 20138:36 am
            by oats

            How dare I use facts to make my argument. Yes, I think Shabazz is much worse than Pope.

        • Apr 16, 20138:52 am
          by I HATE FRANK

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          You would draft POPE over Shabazz?

          Even tho Shabazz as a freshmen was better better than Pope as a freshman and Equal to POPE even as a sophmore?

          Shabazz has a NBA Game, PERIOD. His talent is scoring, and he is going to Score. We need a scorer that can get his points in bunches and in a variety of ways.

          You’re calling a jump shooter better than a guy that can do the samething plus more, because Shabazz has a post up game.

          • Apr 16, 20139:12 am
            by oats

            Shabazz at 20 is worse than Pope at 20. Don’t give me this freshman crap. There are studies that show that number of years in school is less important than age, and Pope is 3 months younger. Stop giving Muhammad points for lying about his age and beating up on high school kids in a weaker incoming class instead of staying and fighting against a tough class. That isn’t a positive for him.
             
            Shabazz’s game has serious problems translating. He camps out at the basket and shoots layups. NBA shooting guards don’t do that. The reason is simple, it doesn’t really work. What’s more, he’s not that great at it. He’s not good at converting 2 point attempts, and it will get harder to do play that way with NBA defenders on him. Not only will his size and strength advantage over his primary defender be reduced, he’ll also have to worry about NBA shot blockers and help defense. He’s bad at scoring on 2 point attempts already, and it will get worse on the next level Removing that from his game turns Shabazz in to a jump shooter and slasher, except he isn’t that good of a shooter. I’ve explained this a bunch of times, but Shabazz’s 3 point shooting has plummeted all year. It started 10 games in for crying out loud. He shot well for 10 games and then fell apart. He isn’t a good shooter, he was just hot early.
             
            You’re also doing a disservice to Pope by calling him a jump shooter. Pope has a really nice dribble penetration game. He gets to line all of .4 times a game less than Muhammad for crying out loud, and that’s despite taking .9 fewer shots. You don’t do that as just a jump shooter. He also shoots better on two point attempts. There is a reason for that, it’s because he gets to basket. Pope’s a better slasher than Muhammad. Not only that, but he is more effective as just a slasher than Muhammad is with his multiple tools. Plus, he’s a much better jump shooter. He actually shot consistently all year and didn’t fade away like your boy Muhammad. He does all this despite playing on a team that offers less help than what Muhammad gets.
             
            Not only is Pope the better scorer, and he definitely is, but he does everything else better too. He’s a better defender who gets more steals. He is also a better rebounder despite being the smaller player, and he is a better passer. He literally just does everything better than Muhammad.

          • Apr 16, 20139:36 am
            by oats

            Oh, the variety of ways to score thing is less important for this team than you are suggesting. The lane is pretty clogged already with both Drummond and Monroe living there, which makes it even tougher for Muhammad to use that post game. Hitting outside shots is far and away the most important skill a shooting guard could have on this team. They shoot the same percentages, but Caldwell Pope takes over twice as many 3 pointers as Muhammad. Not only does that make his shooting percentages more reliable, it also shows a player who knows how to play in a style that will work with the rest of the roster.

          • Apr 16, 201310:14 am
            by I HATE FRANK

            “”Shabazz at 20 is worse than Pope at 20. Don’t give me this freshman crap. There are studies that show that number of years in school is less important than age, and Pope is 3 months younger. Stop giving Muhammad points for lying about his age and beating up on high school kids in a weaker incoming class instead of staying and fighting against a tough class. That isn’t a positive for him.”"

            1. you are right, Age has nothing  to do with it. But what about Pope being in college for 2 years, Pope being in system for 2 years, Pope being able to improve his game after his terrible freshman year, cmon theres a difference. The age arguement is silly because soo many players do it, its not even a violation go do research on it, and it would have been different if shabazz struggled and was terrible as a freshman against college players but he didnt he was Pac-Freshman of the year, made the first team. Every knows he carried that team offensively.
             
            “”Shabazz’s game has serious problems translating. He camps out at the basket and shoots layups. NBA shooting guards don’t do that. The reason is simple, it doesn’t really work. What’s more, he’s not that great at it. He’s not good at converting 2 point attempts, and it will get harder to do play that way with NBA defenders on him. Not only will his size and strength advantage over his primary defender be reduced, he’ll also have to worry about NBA shot blockers and help defense. He’s bad at scoring on 2 point attempts already, and it will get worse on the next level Removing that from his game turns Shabazz in to a jump shooter and slasher, except he isn’t that good of a shooter. I’ve explained this a bunch of times, but Shabazz’s 3 point shooting has plummeted all year. It started 10 games in for crying out loud. He shot well for 10 games and then fell apart. He isn’t a good shooter, he was just hot early.”"

            2. All the weakness they say about Shabazz they said about Harden. Go look it up. Next, shabazz shot 50% or better in 15 games, Pope shot 50% or better in 12 games. You say Shabazz was only hot in the first 10 games, Pope was only hot in a 6 game stretch from late January to early Feb. Shabazz had 12 games where he shot under 40%, Pope has 15 games where he shot under 40%…. so how he soo much better?
             
            “”You’re also doing a disservice to Pope by calling him a jump shooter. Pope has a really nice dribble penetration game. He gets to line all of .4 times a game less than Muhammad for crying out loud, and that’s despite taking .9 fewer shots. You don’t do that as just a jump shooter. He also shoots better on two point attempts. There is a reason for that, it’s because he gets to basket. Pope’s a better slasher than Muhammad. Not only that, but he is more effective as just a slasher than Muhammad is with his multiple tools. Plus, he’s a much better jump shooter. He actually shot consistently all year and didn’t fade away like your boy Muhammad. He does all this despite playing on a team that offers less help than what Muhammad gets.”"

            3. Not gonna lie, might have seen POPE on sports center a few times, but I do my Research: DraftExpress
            Caldwell-Pope’s ability to rise up and bury difficult shots can be somewhat of a curse at times as well, as he tends to rely very heavily on this part of his game and can be naturalized relatively effectively by a taller and longer defender. In the half-court, just 19% of Caldwell-Pope’s shot attempts come around the basket.

            As a slasher, Caldwell-Pope still remains raw, especially operating on the ball, where he shows little in the way of advanced ball-handling and even has trouble with anything more difficult than straight-line drives. He does a better job operating off the ball, where his lack of ball-handling skills don’t impede his athletic gifts, but still could be much better overall in all areas finishing around the hoop. At the moment he doesn’t possess the strength and toughness needed to take hits around the basket and finish, as he tends to collapse in a heap at the first sign of contact at the rim.Joe Treutlein

            That kinda contradicts what you’re trying to sell, im not saying you are wrong, im just saying in not buying it . BTW: getting to the line in college basketball is one of the most deceiving stats, because of how the game is played and officiated

            From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2QdRK6JIK
            http://www.draftexpress.com

             
            “”Not only is Pope the better scorer, and he definitely is, but he does everything else better too. He’s a better defender who gets more steals. He is also a better rebounder despite being the smaller player, and he is a better passer. He literally just does everything better than Muhammad.”"

            More steal doesnt make you better defender, If you are the outlet/or release guy your defensive rebounds wont be high, its all about system. I dont know what his passing skills look like, but 1.8 considering minutes and touches he get is not impressive

          • Apr 16, 201310:44 am
            by I HATE FRANK

            “”"Oh, the variety of ways to score thing is less important for this team than you are suggesting. The lane is pretty clogged already with both Drummond and Monroe living there, which makes it even tougher for Muhammad to use that post game.”"

            What about when one of the two isnt in the game? its not like eaither is going to be playing over 35 minutes. Also, one of out biggest problems is we hve no mismatch, a player like Shabazz “IF” his game continues develops at a match up Problem at the SG position. 

            “”Hitting outside shots is far and away the most important skill a shooting guard could have on this team. They shoot the same percentages, but Caldwell Pope takes over twice as many 3 pointers as Muhammad. Not only does that make his shooting percentages more reliable, it also shows a player who knows how to play in a style that will work with the rest of the roster.”"

            No it means that system allows his to play that way, Im sure Shabazz could take more 3′s if the system was designed that way. BTW: I dont think Shabazz is a great slasher, but I also know the college game is very ugly on offense because of Zones. the way Shabazz was used in the college, is similar to how he will be used in the pros.

          • Apr 16, 201311:03 am
            by oats

            Even with one on the bench, outside shooting is still the primary attribute to look for. 3 point shooting is the most efficient way to score, and shooting guards especially require it to fit on the roster. Besides, having one of the twin towers on the bench will probably not result in significantly better spacing. The odds are CV isn’t going to be playing much next, and the odds are that whoever the 3rd big man will be next year won’t be a great shooter. Spacing is going to be a big concern, and Muhammad wanting to play in the same space but less efficiently is problematic.
             
            You love going back to the system and never want to admit the system is designed around a player’s strengths and weaknesses. Muhammad had a reputation as a bad outside shooter in high school, and as the season went on his shooting numbers kept dropping. He could technically take more 3s, but he wouldn’t keep making them at the same rate. He is not a good 3 point shooter, so the system was set up to use him closer to the hoop. It’s not just an attempts thing, Muhammad was trending down the more 3 point shots he attempted. Pope is clearly the one who should be projected as the better 3 point shooter.

          • Apr 16, 201312:07 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            “”Even with one on the bench, outside shooting is still the primary attribute to look for. 3 point shooting is the most efficient way to score, and shooting guards especially require it to fit on the roster. Besides, having one of the twin towers on the bench will probably not result in significantly better spacing. The odds are CV isn’t going to be playing much next, and the odds are that whoever the 3rd big man will be next year won’t be a great shooter. Spacing is going to be a big concern, and Muhammad wanting to play in the same space but less efficiently is problematic.”"

            1. If you want to space the floor with a shooter, then get the best SHOOTER in the Draft. You dont Draft a streaky shooter. Im talking about scorers a guy that can consistently find ways to contribute to the offense. 
             
            “”You love going back to the system and never want to admit the system is designed around a player’s strengths and weaknesses. Muhammad had a reputation as a bad outside shooter in high school, and as the season went on his shooting numbers kept dropping.”"

            2. I always say the system should be based on the players strength, you must not read the back and forths between me and “G” . He had a reputation as bad shooter in High School, but in Reality he was soild in college. Pope had 42% of his catch in shoot situations, Shabazz made 40% of his….. Pope numbers dropped as well, he only how 40% of better 3 times in the last 10 games. You base everything off of Shabazz shooting decline, but the guy you praise shot worse and did the same thing

            “”He could technically take more 3s, but he wouldn’t keep making them at the same rate. He is not a good 3 point shooter, so the system was set up to use him closer to the hoop. It’s not just an attempts thing, Muhammad was trending down the more 3 point shots he attempted. Pope is clearly the one who should be projected as the better 3 point shooter.”"

            3. you are basing good 3 point shooting on value of shots, and not shot selection. so lets say I agree, Pope is a better 3 point shooter right now than shabazz, Pope is not the best 3 point shooting player of SG in the draft. And I never said Shabazz was a great 3 point shooter i said he is solid, but I love his ability to score different ways 

          • Apr 16, 201312:09 pm
            by G

            This is an important thing to remember – part of the reason why the Tayshaun Prince trade was done was to free up space in the interior so you could play Monroe and Drummond at the same time. Prince, like Shabazz, got a lot of his points in the low post. Having 3 offensive players all around the paint is terrible for spacing. Muhammad would have to change his game quite a bit to fit in.

          • Apr 16, 201312:22 pm
            by oats

            Muhammad is a worse scorer. He puts up fewer points on more shots. Why do you keep calling him the better scorer? It doesn’t make sense. Muhammad is the streaky shooter. He got hot early and cooled off. He is not a good shooter, he just had a couple good games and few enough attempts for his bad shooting to bear out.
             
            Pope is pretty consistent, having roughly even shooting percentages in each 1/3 of the season. Pope didn’t decline in the last 10 games. His true shooting percentage was 58.2%, right on his number for the season. He also hit 35.4% of his 79 3s, or roughly the same as his 37.7% 3 point shooting average. Muhammad meanwhile had a true shooting percentage of 47.1% in his last 10, or about 6% below his season average. Muhammad was also only 10 of 30, or 33.3%. Muhammad clearly was playing worse down the stretch than Pope.
             

          • Apr 16, 201312:23 pm
            by oats

            bad shooting not* to bear out. That’s how the first paragraph was supposed to end.

          • Apr 16, 201312:27 pm
            by oats

            @G. The Prince point is pretty spot on. Whoever the team gets on the perimeter needs to be comfortable playing in space. He could do some damage as a slasher, but he absolutely has to be comfortable taking 3s. That isn’t Muhammad. Muhammad wants to camp out under the hoop

          • Apr 16, 20131:39 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            “”Muhammad is a worse scorer. He puts up fewer points on more shots. Why do you keep calling him the better scorer? It doesn’t make sense. Muhammad is the streaky shooter. He got hot early and cooled off. He is not a good shooter, he just had a couple good games and few enough attempts for his bad shooting to bear out.”"

            Pope 13.4 attmepts 18.5ppg , Shabazz 14.3 attempts 17.9ppg…So he took one more shot, but had .6 less points … Heres the difference Pope 2.6 for 7 3′s …. Shabazz 1.3 for 3.3 ….. Your guy takes also most 4 more 3′s than Shabazz. 
             
            “”Pope is pretty consistent, having roughly even shooting percentages in each 1/3 of the season. Pope didn’t decline in the last 10 games. His true shooting percentage was 58.2%, right on his number for the season. He also hit 35.4% of his 79 3s, or roughly the same as his 37.7% 3 point shooting average.”"

            So lets me clear, he was consistent, because he is normally average/decent 3 point shooter at 37.7 and his shooting percent just dropped to 35% over the last 10 games? Ok…. but he shot 37% overrall in the last 10 games. 148 shot attempts total, HALF of those was 3′s!!!

            Talk about a chucker? Blackhole?

            8 of his last 10 games looked like this

            8-18 / 4-12 for 3′s
            7-19 / 2-7 for 3′s
            4-12 / 2-8 for 3′s
            5-16 / 4-8 for 3′s
            7-18 / 4-8 for 3′s
            6-19 / 2-7 for 3′s
            5-15 / 2-7 for 3′s
            9-20 / 6-15 for 3′s

            How is that consistent? He lives for the 3 ball but shots it average/decent at the college level…

            “”Muhammad meanwhile had a true shooting percentage of 47.1% in his last 10, or about 6% below his season average. Muhammad was also only 10 of 30, or 33.3%. Muhammad clearly was playing worse down the stretch than Pope.”"

            Shabazz  had one terrible 3 point shooting game where he shot 2-11 for 3′s ans if you want to add his 2-7 night you can as well in the last 10 games, thats most 3′s he took all year in a single game. Overall in the last 10 games Shabazz shot 42% , he took a total of 139 shots, and as you mentioned only 30 were 3′s …..

            Pope normal FG percent went from 43% to 37% 
            Shabazz normal FG percent went from 44% to 42%

            But its CLEAR Shabazz was WORSE!

          • Apr 16, 20131:52 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            “”And Once again shabazz shot 50% or better in 15 games, Pope shot 50% or better in 12 games. You say Shabazz was only hot in the first 10 games, Pope was only hot in a 6 game stretch from late January to early Feb. Shabazz had 12 games where he shot under 40%, Pope has 15 games where he shot under 40%…. so how he soo much better?”"

            I’d just rather you say, you like him better than Shabazz rather than saying he is a better player or scorer.

          • Apr 16, 20131:59 pm
            by oats

            3 pointers giving more points is exactly what I was pointing out, so I fail to understand your logic. You are way too focused on traditional field goal percentage. You can survive mediocre normal field goal percentage from a guy that takes a lot of 3s, but similar percentages with a guy that takes a few of them is harder to live down. His attempts on 3s went up a bit in those 10 games, and he got to the line more. That made him exactly as productive as he was earlier in the season.
             
            I actually got Muhammad’s stats wrong. It was 10 of 35 on 3s, or 28.6%. That’s why Muhammad went in the tank. His 3 point shooting fell off a cliff.Sorry, my mistake on that. He got to the line a bit more as well, so that kept his true shooting percentage from as huge of a decline. Still, the true shooting percentage number was right, it was 47%, or down 6%. 
             
            By the way, you want the guy taking more 3s. It’s the most efficient shot in basketball. Sign me up for that guy. Pope took more than 100 extra 3 pointers in the same number of games. That’s huge.

          • Apr 16, 20132:10 pm
            by oats

            I say Pope is the better scorer because he is both more efficient and more consistent. Looking at games the way you are doesn’t make sense. You can always find outliers. In each 1/3 of the season Pope put up roughly consistent numbers. He played pretty average for 10 games, was good for 10, and not quite as good but still good for the last 12. Muhammad had his first 10 games where he played well, 10 games where he was average, and 12 games where he sucked. That’s a more reliable way of determining consistency than just looking for outliers.

          • Apr 16, 20132:33 pm
            by G

            This is what drives me nuts about you man, you try to use stats but you don’t know how to look at them. Looking purely at scoring (and keep in mind that Caldwell-Pope does several things other than scoring that Shabazz doesn’t do), here’s the last 12 games for both players:
            Caldwell-Pope –  .415 FG% on 14.3 attempts, .391 3P% on 7.7 attempts, .800 FT% on 6.7 attempts, and 20.2 ppg with a .587 TS%
            Muhammad – .415 FG% on 14.3 attempts, .302 3P% on 3.6 attempts, .687 FT% on 5.6 attempts, and 16.8 ppg with a .501 TS%

            I wasn’t really sold on Caldwell-Pope, but he looks like a better player than Muhammad. He shot the three better and more frequently down the stretch, and he scored more points on the same number of shots. There’s a huge difference between a .587 TS% and a .501 TS%. If you want to factor in the whole year, Caldwell-Pope’s numbers hold up at a .586 TS% against Muhammad’s .534 TS%.

            Then factor in Caldwell-Pope’s superior rebounding, defense and passing, and the fact that he was accomplishing all this on an inferior team. Oats, you convinced me.

          • Apr 16, 20133:27 pm
            by oats

            Good to see I have someone on the Kentavious Caldwell Pope bandwagon. He’s not perfect, not even close. This draft sucks, and he makes sense if the team misses out on those top few guys. Considering that’s looking more and more likely, I’ve been looking for worst case scenario guys. Pope, McCollum, Reggie Bullock, and Michael Carter Williams are the guys I’ve settled on as fighting for those spots after the top 7 or so prospects are gone. I have all of those guys over Muhammad right now. I want more than 12 games from McCollum, and Pope has a higher ceiling than Bullock due largely to age. I also don’t trust point guards that can’t shoot, so that’s a big knock on MCW. Especially on this team.

      • Apr 16, 20138:32 am
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        theres very little seperation in talent for the top 10 players.

  • Apr 16, 20131:21 am
    by Wolverines23

    Reply

    If we beat Brooklyn.. I’m not watching a single game next year. So dumb. Hate this.

    • Apr 16, 201311:58 am
      by BW

      Reply

      Good. The Pistons don’t need fans like you.

      • Apr 16, 201312:04 pm
        by oats

        Reply

        <How dare he care about the long term interests of the team.>
         
        If you are wondering, G proposed the <> to signify sarcasm later in this thread. That was sarcasm up there. I can’t blame the guy for being frustrated with the team’s tendency to win meaningless games that actually hurt their long term prospects. I sure am.

  • Apr 16, 20131:48 am
    by Danny

    Reply

    anybody that thinks its alright to tank games to get a better draft pick has most likely never played organized sports.  Its the shallow way out.  these are pro athletes who are paid to play their best every night.   do you think a player like jordon even in his early days with the bulls would of rolled over for a better draft pick next year.  this lose to get better attitude doest work!  Ask the charlotte bobcats, sacramento kings, washington wizards or any other of these perrenial lottory teams.    Its all about having a winning attitude all the time!

    • Apr 16, 20131:58 am
      by jerrific

      Reply

      Last time I checked we don’t have a Michael Jordan on this team,  and the only way to get a player of that caliber for a team like the Pistons is the draft soooo…..

    • Apr 16, 20137:14 am
      by oats

      Reply

      Yes, you don’t want to tank. Tanking never helped Miami, Boston, or Oklahoma City. Oh wait, it did. Never mind.

    • Apr 16, 201310:20 am
      by tarsier

      Reply

      Players shouldn’t tank. GMs should until they change the rules to discourage it. But even if ti were on the players, why would Jordan tank? His team already had Jordan.

      • Apr 16, 201310:57 am
        by G

        Reply

        ^Agree with this. People act like tanking depends on players. No player is going to start taking terrible shots or stop playing defense so his team gets a better draft pick. That player is playing for a job, if he looks bad, he loses playing time and money.

        It’s up to a GM to tank, by asking the coach to give more minutes to younger players, shut down injured stars who normally would be playing, etc. If Dumars wanted to tank, all he had to do was shut down Knight and Drummond. Or just Drummond, really, the winning streak pretty much coincided with his return. 

        • Apr 16, 201311:40 am
          by I HATE FRANK

          Reply

          WE AGREE!!!!!

          i would have sat Knight, Drummond, and lied to Greg about when the bus or plane was leaving…..

          I hate end of the year runs, it never carries over to the next season. Im happy for younger guys like Dre, and Middleton.

          but other than that just shut it down

        • Apr 16, 201312:15 pm
          by frankie d

          Reply

          again, that is exactly right.  hard to believe that dumars did not take the chance to shut both drummond and knight down for the season.  only reason i can think of is that he is legitimately fearful of losing his job and did not want to go out with a 10 game losing streak.
          but all you have to do is look around the league at most of the lottery teams and see that most of them have taken the step of shutting down an important player if they’ve had half the excuse. 

          • Apr 16, 201312:52 pm
            by G

            By the way, this “ending the season on a good note” is complete BS, I think we all agree. Last year they ended with a 6-8 record in April (.429 winning%), April 2011 ended 4-4, and same with April 2010. 

            Getting only one or 2 wins this month would’ve dropped them into the #3 spot. Same thing last year would’ve tied them with Cleveland and NO at the 4 spot. Nothing would’ve changed in 2011, but dropping those 4 wins in April of 2010 would’ve landed them in the #3 spot in the John Wall draft.

            It’s pretty clear that the “karma” of finishing strong hasn’t come around yet, at least it hasn’t improved their record from year to year. Meanwhile, they keep missing out on the top 5 picks of these drafts. This is a terrible no-man’s land to be in.

          • Apr 16, 20131:55 pm
            by frankie d

            golden state is the perfect example that shows how dumb it is to imagine that tanking hurts a team the next season.
            last year, they went 3-17 to end the season because they did not want to be in a position where they had to turn over a protected lottery pick to utah, i believe.  they were obviously tanking.  by the end of the season they were starting a guy they’d picked up on a 10 day contract.
            it worked.  they kept their pick, got another quality young player in barnes and turned the corner this year.
            they will be in the playoffs.
            tanking didn’t seem to bother their progress as a franchise. 

  • Apr 16, 20131:49 am
    by piston moribund

    Reply

    Relax, watching millionaires play should put things into perspective.  Dumars is about to lose his job, lock this one in, albeit not the best decision.  Frank is already gone.  Looks like I get to keep this tag for another decade.  The only chance of any improvement is if we convince Collins to come back, but with Dumars gone, not much hope in that either.  Just waiting for the headlines, Joy oh joy.  Looks like another shit owner and nothing to look forward to.  Maybe you should cry about that.  All show and no go, just like the cars this town makes.
     

    • Apr 16, 20138:00 am
      by oats

      Reply

      Vince Ellis think Dumars is coming back, for whatever that’s worth. I actually think Dumars stays. More than that, I hope Collins stays away. I really am not fond of him as a coach. He orchestrated the Andrew Bynum trade, made certain to ship out Vucevic who he buried last year, and then opined that he wished the guys he had on his roster could rebound like Vucevic while throwing Spencer Hawes under a bus. Plus, his offense is designed to take mid range jump shots, and that is easily the least efficient shot in basketball. Throw in the fact that he always seems to get out coached in big games and I’m really not interested in Collins.

  • Apr 16, 20132:02 am
    by jerrific

    Reply

    Why is this team being coached like we’re fighting for a playoff spot? Frank and Dumars must be getting krunk on that “winners mentality” kool-aid.

  • Apr 16, 20133:19 am
    by Trent

    Reply

    Its pisses me right off that we are winning because of the damage it is doing to our lottery odds but in all honesty, I can watch a game and watch the team I have loved my whole life play for a L. F*#k THAT! I hope we close out the season with two more W’s. Winning games is great, I don’t care if its the first week or the last week I wanna see my team compete and win. It’s a god damn lottery anyway! We our odds decrease by a couple of %, who cares, and add the fact that this draft isn’t going to solve our problems anyway why not notch up some confidence!

    Way to go Pistons! I can deal with losing but not intentionally. Tanking would just create more bad habits in our young team and that is the last thing we need!

    • Apr 16, 20137:24 am
      by oats

      Reply

      The tanking creating bad habits is only valid if the players are actively not trying hard. That’s not what most people mean when they advocate tanking. They generally just want the team to play young players more, and maybe the coach to play some unconventional lineups. I actually thought Frank might have been tanking when he trotted out the Bynum, English, Middleton, Jerebko, CV lineup in the second. That group makes no sense and was predictably terrible. I was trying to figure out if Jerebko at the 4 was actually the best defender on the court, but I realized he can’t guard that spot so Middleton was probably the best defender. If a second round rookie drafted for his offense is the best defender on the court, then the lineup probably stinks. I think that’s about the last we saw of CV though, and the rest of the lineups used that game were more effective. So now I’m just confused why that lineup was out on the court since it doesn’t seem like Frank was intentionally trying to screw things up with that group.

      • Apr 16, 20139:17 am
        by Jacob

        Reply

        It seems as if at one point we were tanking. Which I didn’t like. So after a month of losing, start winning with 5 games left to throw away possibly a top 5 pick. Hopefully we lost to Brooklyn and can luckily get pick 6.

  • Apr 16, 20137:04 am
    by Tiko

    Reply

    Give me GRIII 

    • Apr 16, 20137:33 am
      by oats

      Reply

      Why? What is the fascination with 11 points a game in nearly 34 minutes. Robinson is not particularly productive and has no range. If he can’t assert himself on a team as young as Michigan, how long until he asserts himself on an NBA roster? If he was really good at other things I’d get it, but he really isn’t. He gets 5 rebounds a game despite essentially being the power forward. I know he isn’t a real power forward, but he’s the most post oriented of the 4 perimeter players in the starting lineup. His one steal a game is also unimpressive. I mean, he dunks a lot, but he really doesn’t much other than that. I just don’t get what makes Robinson so appealing.
       

      • Apr 16, 20138:06 am
        by Blocks by Dre (Burke for the win!!)

        Reply

        Seeing how we’ll likely miss out on people that matter in this draft, from a potential standpoint I wouldn’t mind us going for him neither, or would you rather have Plumee, Len, Muhammad or Zeller? Seriously, drafting Robinson wouldn’t be the end of the world since its damn near close to that happening already with us winning these last 4 games.

        • Apr 16, 20138:35 am
          by oats

          Reply

          I’ve already talked about my distaste for those guys before, so nope. Although I might take Muhammad over Robinson. At least Muhammad’s done something. Not enough to be worth a top 10 pick, but definitely more than Robinson. I think I’m leaning slightly to Robinson because at least he converts at the rim, but it is a really tight call. I’d have to think on that one. I don’t want either of them though.
           
          1 Noel
          2 McLemore
          3 Porter
          4 Oladipo
          5 Burke
          6 Bennet
          7 Smart
          8 Harris
          9 Kentavious Caldwell Pope
          10 MCW
           
          Even if Harris stays in school and Detroit drops to 9 I still can’t take any of the guys on your list. I don’t feel good about Michael Carter Williams, but I’d take him over Robinson.
           
          Depending on workouts, CJ McCollum might end up in that last spot over MCW. I just don’t know what to think of him yet. He beat Duke in the tourney last year, and then came out this year shooting better than 50% on 3s. He’s not much of a passer, but he’s at Lehigh and that team clearly is better off with him taking a ton of shots. It’s a little like Lillard or Curry in past drafts. Then he got hurt 12 games in, so I don’t know if I can trust his outside shooting and I still don’t have a good read on if he can pass. If I hear he is knocking down everything and makes good passes, he jumps ahead of MCW. If he doesn’t then he goes after Robinson. He’s worth watching though.

  • Apr 16, 20137:05 am
    by Corey

    Reply

    I don’t care about the lottery. after you lose the lottery (probable no matter where you are) I care about going from the 5th pick to the 9th or 10th in a week. 

    • Apr 16, 20137:17 am
      by oats

      Reply

      The 5th pick and 10th pick in any draft is way different talent wise. This draft is no exception. The talent level available at 5 is vastly superior to what is available at 10.

  • Apr 16, 20138:29 am
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    Frank could have saved his job 65-70 games ago.

    All he had to do was start Drummond, and move Monroe to PF.

    Monroe has played more comfortable at PF, and Drummond has pretty mcuh done what we expected.

    Stubborness cost Frank his 3rd season

    • Apr 16, 20138:57 am
      by vic

      Reply

      yep, we tried to warn him albeit pretty rudely, from the 1st game.

  • Apr 16, 20138:59 am
    by sop

    Reply

    I guess the season ticket holders enjoyed this last win at home for a night. The rest of us Pistons fans are tearing out our hair as the D falls further and further in the draft order. No superstars in this draft so sliding a little doesn’t matter, after 7 things get ugly. Here’s to hoping some teams desperately need a big and falls in love with Len and Zeller early on.
    Let’s hope the Pistons lose to Brooklyn even though they aren’t playing their starters. Also if the Wizards could be Chicago that would be nice too.
     
     

    • Apr 16, 20139:24 am
      by oats

      Reply

      That things get ugly after 7 is my read too, which is why it does matter that they are slipping. At 8 they still have the hopes of someone doing something dumb, but they could slip to 9 and by then all bets are off on whether they can get some talent.

      • Apr 16, 201310:22 am
        by gmehl

        Reply

        @Oats Last week you said that this wouldn’t happen and look where we are now. I distinctly remember you telling me to calm down. I know its not your fault but geez for once i wish i wasn’t right. Hopefully we lose against Brooklyn and Washington and Minnesota get up. Fingers crossed. Also i agree with you that CJ McCollum might be worth the risk if we are picking at 9. 

        • Apr 16, 201310:25 am
          by oats

          Reply

          Oh, yeah. I got that one wrong and you were totally right.

          • Apr 16, 201310:28 am
            by oats

            Just realized this is the internet and tone is hard to convey. That was not sarcasm. I seriously was wrong and you seriously were right. Heck, saying it that way still could sound sarcastic. Maybe we need a sarcasm font or something so we don’t have this problem. It would not be in use though.

          • Apr 16, 201311:05 am
            by G

            I’ve been saying this. Some people go with #sarcasm, which is annoying because THIS ISN’T EFFING TWITTER. There should be a clue for sarcasm though like putting greater-than & less-than carrots around the sarcastic phrase would be <so helpful>. The problem then becomes “does that person know about the sarcasm font or not?”

          • Apr 16, 201311:18 pm
            by gmehl

            @Oats Maybe attaching a spreadsheet would help #sarcasm :-)

        • Apr 16, 20135:14 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          I had also counted out he possibility of the season ending like this as extremely improbable to the point it’s not worth bothering with. But seriously, could things have played out any worse? Over the past week+, I think the only game that went the right way was Minnesota beating Phoenix.

  • Apr 16, 20139:01 am
    by Jeremy

    Reply

    Look, this team isn’t going to be saved through the draft anymore. That is as simple as it gets. This team has a really good start with the 3 young guys in place right now. Time to bring in a solid group of veterans. Gores said yesterday that he is opening the pocket book up and that they will be spending big. Free agency and trades is where this team will be turned around. Resign Jose, make an offer to Billups to come back (let Arnie work on him), take best player available in the draft, and work the phones to try to get a wing in. Maybe throw a guy like Tyreke Evans a low-ball but enticing enough offer. Let Maxiell, Bynum, and Maggette walk.
     
    At the very least, we will be talking about someone that is taken in the draft that will be coming off the bench. As I’ve said before on here, I am a big fan of a consolation prize of Zeller. 6’11 210lbs and he produced more this year than he did last year – and last year he was considered a top 5 or so pick. You can’t teach size and throwing in 16.5 pts and 8.2 boards per doesn’t hurt either. They would have a legit 3 big rotation – something this team had during the golden days (think Ben, Sheed, Okur; Ben, Sheed, McDyess; Laimbeer, Mahorn, Buddha, Rodman). The way I proposed it, the squad would look as so:
    Starters:                      Bench:
    Calderon                     Billups
    Knight                         Stuckey
    Singler                        Jonas
    Monroe                       Middleton
    Drummond                  Slava
                                      Zeller
                                      Charlie V.
     
    Team is now Big heavy. Amnesty Charlie (even though I don’t think Gores does, this is just what I would do) and look to sign another 2 or 3. Work the phones to move a Jonas/Stuckey combo for a 2 or 3. Stop over valuing players and realize that the best you may get back is equivalent talent. At the very least that team is more competitive than the one we have been watching the previous 2 seasons.
     
     

    • Apr 16, 20139:32 am
      by oats

      Reply

      Zeller is thin, a bad defender, and a poor rebounder. He was expected to make more progress than this so there is a reason he isn’t a top 5 pick this year. Part of that is people saw how his brother added weight and thought maybe Cody would do the same, but so far he’s not shown any signs of being able to do that. If he bulks up and learns to rebound then I’m ok with him, but if he stays this skinny I think his offensive efficiency will drop from getting pushed around too much. 20 minutes a game of back up big man play, getting pushed around and not rebounding is not what I wanted from this draft.

      • Apr 16, 20139:52 am
        by Corey

        Reply

        I believe that I read last year that Cody Zeller measured with a 6’11″ wingspan, at 6’11″ tall. To put that in perspective – Drummond’s wingspan is something like 7’6″ at the same height. Cody Zeller is skinny with short arms and will be much worse in the NBA than he was in college.

        And whether we will be “saved” by one draft pick is irrelevant. An Otto Porter or Victor Oladipo at pick 5 would likely help a lot more than a Cody Zeller at pick 10. That’s the point. 

    • Apr 16, 201310:32 am
      by tarsier

      Reply

      I loved Chauncey’s career as much as the next guy. But he’s old and washed up. He is no longer the answer, even as a limited-role guy.

      • Apr 16, 201311:06 am
        by G

        Reply

        Like him as a potential coach down the road though…

  • Apr 16, 20139:24 am
    by Jacob

    Reply

    The problem with falling in this years draft is that if we don’t get a good player this year, then we have pretty much lost 2 1st round picks in a  row. If  Detroit stays out of the top 8 next year.

    • Apr 16, 201310:19 am
      by Keith

      Reply

      This is especially egregious considering next years draft is considered to be loaded with star talent. We kept this years pick (which we’ve not ruined) and all but guaranteed to have traded away a better player next year.

  • Apr 16, 201310:57 am
    by DG

    Reply

    Well it looks like the Pistons may need to find a potential steal.  So I’ll nominate a couple of players to look at.  They may both rise in workouts because they are good athletes with prototypical height for their positions.  They just played for programs that may have been overlooked a little bit.

    I think the players the Pistons should look hard at are Jamaal Franklin and Kentavious Caldwell Pope.  Franklin is a great athlete, has a relentless motor, is a tough competitor that plays good defense and is the best rebounding guard in the country.  He would be a great glue kind of guy.  He does need to work on his jumper, but is a solid free throw shooter.  He could help the Pistons re-establish a defensive identity on the wing.  

    Pope has an excellent three point shot, is a good athlete and rebounder for his position. He is an excellent defender.  He lacks a mid range game.  Think of him as the anti-Stuckey.  Because he does have a good three point shot he may be the better fit on the Pistons.  I just prefer Franklin because of his relentless motor.

    I think both of these guys have been overlooked because of the teams they played on.  Franklin played for San Diego State.  Pope played for Georgia.  San Diego is a small school and Georgia just sucked.  If they had played for other schools would they be rated higher?  I think so.

    • Apr 16, 201311:29 am
      by Keith

      Reply

      I’ll just be honest, I don’t think Caldwell-Pope is that great. A few people now have mentioned his great (or solid, or reliable) three point shot. I don’t really see it. 37% from three is only just above average in the NBA. In college, with the shorter line, 37% doesn’t tell us much. Further, three point shooting is one of the least translatable skills from college to NBA. You have to be a huge outlier for the numbers to mean a whole lot. The fact that he was only shooting 43% from the field raises my concern about his shooting. Also, while I don’t deny that he is a solid defender and athlete, defense also translates poorly to the NBA due to the completely different systems run and the complexity of NBA offenses. This isn’t to say he can’t be good, I just think there are better options for the Pistons.
       
      From a fit perspective, I really like CJ McCollum. His rebounding numbers point to much better than expected athleticism, and the strength to hold down the 2 spot. Obviously he may end up being undersized (not that Knight is any bigger), but he also looks to be an elite scorer. He excels at getting to the hoop, but also shot incredibly from 3 before injury (still nearly half the season) on a high number of attempts per game.
       
      Also, keep in mind that Burke is currently ranked just 7th as a prospect. As workouts start superseding championship hype, teams are going to be questioning why Burke wasn’t very good throughout the tournament, and his team lost the only game where he scored really well. I don’t think he falls out of the top 10, but don’t be surprised if he is available when we pick.

      • Apr 16, 201311:42 am
        by oats

        Reply

        37.7% is exactly the same as Knights, and with 7 attempts a game that is a pretty reliable number. He also was carrying that Georgia offense. Their next leading scorer put up less than 8 a game, and their 3rd leading scorer put up less than 7. Their leading assist man also had less than 3 of those a game. Just a really terrible team, and despite being the only threat to score he shot a reasonable 37.7%. What’s more, his true shooting percentage is a solid 58%. Not quite star player numbers, but pretty reasonable.
         
        Also, I vastly prefer Burke. The team could easily be picking 8th or 9th, and there Pope starts to factor in.

      • Apr 16, 201311:51 am
        by oats

        Reply

        I missed the McCollum thing. He played 12 games, so about 1/3 of the season. If it was half the season I’d give it some weight, but in just 12 games I don’t know how much his 3 point shooting actually has improved. I’m also not certain if he’s a shooting guard or a point guard. Lehigh really required him to shoot pretty much all the time, but maybe he’d be a decent passer if he was asked to do so. I really like McCollum, and he could be better than Pope. I just really want some more information on him before placing him in the top 10 off of 12 games this year and beating Duke in the tourney last year.

    • Apr 16, 201311:37 am
      by oats

      Reply

      Obviously I agree on Pope if you read my arguments up above. I really like Pope. I’d rate him much lower in a normal draft, but in this one he looks like a top 10 guy. He’s as good of a 3 point shooter as Knight, but the rest of his game makes him look like a better shooting guard than Knight. He’s bigger, and a solid defender. He doesn’t pass as well, but he can hit the boards. He’s also been pretty consistent this year. He looks like a starting shooting guard, and that would allow Knight to become a solid 6th man. It also gives Knight a chance to play some more on ball, and I for one think Knight’s highest value is if he can play both positions instead of just shooting guard. Pope is a solid pick. I wanted to do better, but that is the kind of player the Pistons might be looking at.
       
      Franklin I’m less sold on. He is a great athlete, and any shooting guard that can get 9.5 rebounds a game gets my attention. The problem is he’s a terrible shooter. That makes him a lot like Kawhi Leonard. Leonard managed to spend his off season developing a jump shot and reportedly was knocking down 3s in work outs. If Franklin can do the same he becomes another guy I’d really like. The problem is few guys go from 28% 3 point shooters in college to good 3 point shooters in the NBA. Last year he did shoot better, and he put up better shooting numbers than Leonard ever did in college. That makes Franklin worth keeping an eye on, but he’s got a lot to prove before he jumps in to the lottery.

  • Apr 16, 201311:24 am
    by Vic

    Reply

    It’s not as bad as it looks they were fortunate too fall this low anyway. This team really should have been looking at the 12th or 13th pick in the draft.

    You can still draft BPA at 9.
    Burke, unlikely but possible
    Alex Len – a solid big, depth, trade value
    Tony Mitchell – this years Andre Drummond, severely undervalued
    CJ McCollum- who up until his injury was likely considered Damien Lillard 2.0

    The sky is not falling. Yeah it would have been nice to have Otto Porter but there are other possibilities.

    Main thing: 2 franchise bigs under 23.
    Get a good coach and try to make a run for the long haul… A la San Antonio 

    • Apr 16, 201311:46 am
      by oats

      Reply

      Len is really up and down and I don’t care much for him. Mitchell has just been way worse this year than last year despite still playing the same crappy competition. I’m not a fan. I do like McCollum though.

    • Apr 16, 201311:50 am
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      Tony Mitchell should have made the jump last year, he’s year older now, and people question his game even more than last year.

      Freakish athletism, but overall game needs to be developed.

    • Apr 16, 20132:13 pm
      by vic

      Reply

      I told people this about Andre Drummond last year, but few believed me. 
      Tony Mitchell had a new coach, a new system, and shot happy guards this year… it held him back a bit. He’s still a dominant athlete and an okay shooter, and an open NBA floor will let folks know that. I’d rather get him as a backup PF than draft Shabazz Muhammad or Kentayvious

  • Apr 16, 201311:26 am
    by mixmasta

    Reply

    Tom Gorres:
    “Yes, you can tell the world — we’re ready to spend,” Gores said. “We’ve got a lot of (cap) room. We’ve set ourselves up financially, and basketball operations set ourselves up. So I’m very excited about the future, but I’m not content about how we performed this year.”

    • Apr 16, 201311:36 am
      by Keith

      Reply

      The question is, spend on whom? There are only a few elite players possibly available this year (CP3, Dwight, Smight, Iggy), and only one of them (CP3) is an ideal fit for our team. Spending just because you’re ready to spend is foolish and leads to bad contracts (Gordon-CV). In the likely event that CP3 doesn’t want to play for the Pistons and Iggy doesn’t opt out, who does that really leave? I’m getting a bad feeling that, like 2009, we are going to have a bunch of cap space at the wrong time, and are going to blow it.

      • Apr 16, 201311:45 am
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        im sorry im just not excited about this Free-agent group….

        But Dumars has been known to pull off surprise trades when given room to operate.

        maybe we can get Kobe for Stuckey!

        • Apr 16, 201311:52 am
          by Keith

          Reply

          So WE get to pay 30 million dollars for a play that probably isn’t even going to play next year and be 35? If Dumars did something like that he should be fired.

          • Apr 16, 201311:59 am
            by oats

            Achilles injuries on younger players effectively ends careers. Look at what happened to Okur. Turning 35 also tends to end careers. Yeah, Keith is right on this one.

        • Apr 16, 201312:31 pm
          by I HATE FRANK

          Reply

          for the record I was joking.

          but do you know what one season of kobe would do for the overall for the Pistons? on and off the court? it would be worth it

          • Apr 16, 20131:35 pm
            by Keith

            Hard to tell with that kind of thing. And I know how many fans around the league are unreasonably in love with Kobe. Didn’t mean to attack you.
             
            As for what that would do for us? On the court, nothing. We’re talking about a 34 year old trying to recover from an injury that takes 11 months to recover. Even with the best treatment in the world, we’re talking 75% of the season completely lost. What’s more, this is an injury that destroys careers. Guys simply don’t come back from this anywhere close to what they were. When you consider that Kobe has been breaking down already the last couple years (defensively moreso than offense), it means we would have 20 games of a mediocre player at the end of a season that may not even have an open rotation spot. Off the court, we would have just spent 30 million dollars (all of our cap space) on a player that will not appreciably improve the team. Are more people going to watch the Pistons when Kobe ISN’T playing? Maybe we get a boost to ticket sales and merchandizing once Kobe comes back, but probably not a 30 million dollar boost. Given his contract and the expected play (not a lot of games, likely poor performance), there’s no possibly way he would be a net gain.

          • Apr 16, 20131:58 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            I feel you, it was a light hearted comment to start with.

            However, If we got kobe and he came back even at 90% that still a 20ppg scorer

            and he could play 50-60% of the season it would be worth it, because his contract end next year…we’d be back in the Free-agent race again…

          • Apr 16, 20132:15 pm
            by oats

            Most guys come back at closer to 60% than 90%. Seriously, young guys have had to retire from this injury because they just couldn’t get anywhere close to where they were beforehand. I’d expect Kobe to do better than that 60%, but the guy is going to be 35 so I wouldn’t expect much more than that. I also think 50% of the season is a really generous expectation. Like Keith, I’d expect it to be half that.

          • Apr 16, 20133:13 pm
            by G

            Realize that Kobe is 2 years older and has about 500 more games under his belt than Isiah did when he tore his achilles.

      • Apr 16, 201311:50 am
        by mixmasta

        Reply

        I think Tom went out of his way to send this message out. Not to spend on the wrong agents but probably to entice high caliber players that we have an owner ready to pay them.
        That’s just me though.

      • Apr 16, 201312:01 pm
        by G

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        This is why I like the idea of signing like 4 guys that would be moderate upgrades in a couple different areas. It diversifies the risk and is more likely to upgrade the team as a whole. 4 areas that I would target – PG, SF, bench scorer, bench big.

        I like the idea of throwing a couple extra million at Jeff Teague to try and pull him away from Atlanta, getting a 3 & D type SF (like Dorell Wright if we can’t draft Porter), Speights or Hickson for the bench big, and then Knight or whoever Dumars drafts would be the scorer off the bench.

        • Apr 16, 201312:16 pm
          by mixmasta

          Reply

          I like your plan. If I were Tom, I’d hire you to be Joe’s right hand. LOL!

          • Apr 16, 201312:55 pm
            by G

            Thanks! I could use that salary NBA GM’s get too… I’d also get to use the first person plural when referring to the Pistons without repercussions, and that’s the gift that keeps on giving.

  • Apr 16, 201311:55 am
    by Fartfucker McDougal

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    5 games ago we were all so happy but another season ending win streak bones us. I think we got extremely lucky in our last 3 drafts maybe we can again, but if not it’s ridiculous that we play like this when nobody else is trying. I would have enjoyed this streak about 3 months ago but now its pointless and hurtful to the team.

    • Apr 16, 201312:17 pm
      by Keith

      Reply

      I completely agree. If this had happened mid-season, or if Drummond had never gotten hurt, I would never have cared much about a top 5 pick. We would have been out of the running for a while and it would never have crossed our minds. But, winning now, against teams that are obviously tanking, teams that we would have been 10x better to lose to, is just disappointing. Why not sit Bynum, an older player who we already know everything about? Why not keep Drummond to a minutes limit in those last games (it would have at least lost the Cleveland game)? Why not make something up about Monroe and limit his minutes too – maybe saying we really want to give Kravtsov a chance to prove himself?
       
      There a number of small, innocuous ways to tank. Dumars may not be a fan of it, but he also may just not understand math.

  • Apr 16, 20131:47 pm
    by frankie d

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    there are 7 elite players in the draft.  things drop off significantly after that.  
     1 Noel
    2 McLemore3 Porter4 Oladipo5 Burke6 Bennet7 Smart
    i’d be ok with any of those guys except smart.  i think it is likely that teams picking from 5-7 will choose from porter, olapido, burke or bennet and any of those guy will be acceptable.  what is probably going to happen, however, is that detroit will just miss that teir of talent and get stuck  at 8 or 9.  
    and this ridiculous habit of beating up on other bad teams late season will hurt them immensely. 

    • Apr 16, 20132:56 pm
      by Keith

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      I wouldn’t even say there are 7 elite players. I think there is one elite player (Noel), four high potential players (McLemore, Porter, Bennett, Smart), and two lower cieling, high floor guys (Burke, Oladipo). Simply, this draft is unlikely to change your team much unless you land in the top 5. And even then, I think only one guy has a chance of being a star. But dropping out of that top 7 and you are suddenly looking at a ton of question marks. You’re just looking for guys that might stay in the rotation rather than starters.

  • Apr 16, 20132:02 pm
    by Scott Free

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    Frank decides to FINALLY start Drummond in time for a late win streak against tanking teams.  

  • Apr 16, 20132:15 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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     “”3 pointers giving more points is exactly what I was pointing out, so I fail to understand your logic. You are way too focused on traditional field goal percentage. You can survive mediocre normal field goal percentage from a guy that takes a lot of 3s, but similar percentages with a guy that takes a few of them is harder to live down. His attempts on 3s went up a bit in those 10 games, and he got to the line more. That made him exactly as productive as he was earlier in the season.”"

    The Logic is ALL those 3 for only .6ppg difference, does not make him a better scorer. Also the logic is if you believe that the 3 ball is the way to go, Why not draft a better more consistent 3 point 3 shooter? Pope is inconsistent, streaky…will shoot a team out of the game just as many times as he’ll keep them in a game.
     
    “I actually got Muhammad’s stats wrong. It was 10 of 35 on 3s, or 28.6%. That’s why Muhammad went in the tank . His 3 point shooting fell off a cliff.Sorry, my mistake on that.”

    No you were corrent, you just decided to add the Tourament game, which is different from the regular season game. However, whatever floats your boat.

    “”By the way, you want the guy taking more 3s. It’s the most efficient shot in basketball. Sign me up for that guy. Pope took more than 100 extra 3 pointers in the same number of games. That’s huge. “”

    So Bradon knight was the most efficent Pistons on offense all year?

    • Apr 16, 20132:46 pm
      by Keith

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      First, let me link to this: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sloansportsconference.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2FLive%2520by%2520the%2520Three%2C%2520Die%2520by%2520the%2520Three%2520The%2520Price%2520of%2520Risk%2520in%2520the%2520NBA.pdf&ei=OJdtUbyjMNKx0AH-34GYDw&usg=AFQjCNFU4EO_89LwFRnRLUa7_wRy_PT-4Q&sig2=c2hUUOSViVZtRVJqX9Yewg&bvm=bv.45175338,d.dmQ&cad=rja
       
      That’s going to spell things out much more empirically and clearly (if you actually go through the math) than I will here. That’s also not the best article on pure three point value, but it has enough in it to be useful.
       
      The three point shot is, without question, the most valuable shot on the court (and the value varies with where a shot is taken around the line). The value, however, is not static, nor is it without extenuating positives and negatives. Teams that take a lot of threes force defenses to adjust, and the adjusted defense lowers the value of a 3 often by opening up the lane and raising the conversion rate of interior shots. This works the other way as well. If a team takes and makes a lot of interior shots, defenses will adjust – crowding the paint, sending more help on post moves, playing off the passer to hinder passing inside. Of course, when the defense adjusts to interior scoring, it raises the value of the three point shot by raising available conversion rate. Ultimately, the best teams will strike a fluid offensive flow by capitalizing on interior or exterior shooting based on the strength of the defense.
       
      What this says is a few things. One, great interior players actually make it easier to shoot threes. Two, three point shooters open up the floor for the rest of their teammates. Three, if you only do one of the two, it will hurt your offense, even if you have individually strong players in those areas. What this points to is the “threat” that a player poses alters the value of the players around them. 
       
      So, was Brandon Knight the most efficient Piston? No, but it’s not actually that simple. Knight wasn’t efficient because his shot selection was poor. His only valuable shot was the 3, and he would have had to use it almost all the time to be an efficent scorer. His inability to do anything else, and his personal reliance on low percentage shots killed his individual efficiency. That said. when Knight was on the floor, the expected value of an interior shot from a teammate should have increased. It probably wasn’t by much (because Knight isn’t very good), but at least Knight’s man had to respect him from outside. ***I realize you wrote that question in jest, but it was worth noting***
       
      In terms of prospects, the guy that takes and makes more threes ultimately is more reliable. However, just taking more threes has very little value. The three itself has value based on the player shooting (his likelihood of hitting the shot) and the effect that player has on the defense (the threat level). Both are generally related. A player that hits a high percentage becomes a threat. But then again, some players can become threats based on reputation rather than production (eg Rudy Gay). In this case, I see little value in a player that takes few threes but doesn’t make them (Shabazz), and questionable value in a player that takes many threes but is mostly average. Of course, that has as much to do with NBA translation as anything else. Three point shooting often goes down from college to NBA due to the longer line and better defenses.

      • Apr 16, 20133:04 pm
        by G

        Reply

        Advanced metrics suggest even sub-average three-point shooters should take more threes. A player with a .300 3P% would be just as efficient as a player who makes 45% of his twos. Plus, missed threes lead to longer rebounds and make the defense cover more space.

        • Apr 16, 20133:13 pm
          by Keith

          Reply

          Those numbers are most often calculated in a vacuum. In fluid state (where defenses adjust to the play of the offense), there are diminishing returns on going to heavily in any one shot selection direction. Further, players with sub average 3pt% often have sub average FG% as well. Consider Dwyane Wade. At 30% from 3, he’s always going to be less efficient than his 50% overall. And that doesn’t fully calculate that his 2pt% must be higher than 50% in order to make for the threes he takes.
           
          The theoretical maximums (every shot is a 3) wouldn’t hold up in a human arena with constantly changing dynamics. Further, 3pt% still has to reach a certain threshhold compared to 2pt% in order to be more valuable for each individual player. For some (Knight), it’s obvious that if you suck at 2s and are decent at 3s, you should be taking threes all the time. For others that are very poor outside shooters but good finishers and foul drawers (Wade, DeRozan), eschewing threes most of the time is the right thing to do.
           

          • Apr 16, 20133:46 pm
            by G

            Wasn’t saying take only threes, but more threes would be better. even factoring in the adjustments of the defense, they still have to cover more of the floor. And what about the point about long rebounds, which are more likely to be offensive than shorter rebounds?

            A guy shooting 45% on 2-point attempts would be below league average (which is about 48%), but a guy shooting 30% on 3-point attempts is farther below average (36%). In a vacuum, a 30% 3-pt shot is equally valuable to a 45% 2-pt shot, but the floor spacing and potential for offensive rebounds makes the 3-pt shot more valuable.

      • Apr 16, 20133:12 pm
        by oats

        Reply

        I actually agree. Taking more 3s is not always the best thing to do, and I sort of over stated things. This team has the interior players though, so in that case taking more 3s is in fact an advantage. Plus, as it relates to Pope and Shabazz, Pope actually does have more to offer than just that 3 point shot. He’s good at getting to the hoop and he shoots a higher percentage on 2 point attempts. I also think that when looking at Pope’s shooting, you have to keep in mind they had no other scoring options. I actually expect his shooting to go up a little bit so long as he has even decent team mates. If he got guys like Monroe and Drummond, that should actually help him significantly.
         
        As for the value of taking a lot of 3s but being average, I know the Raptors have guys that really disagree. Their stats guys actually say that even shooters like Gay offer a higher projected point per possession by taking 3s as long as the team can rebound. I don’t know how true that is, but I do think the league is still not taking enough three pointers. Average 3 point shooters should have free reign to take them. It can’t be what a team does on every possession, but that wouldn’t be what we’re talking about with Pope in Detroit. The team will still be run through the post, and Pope does have other weapons. For this team, taking a lot of 3s makes sense because they have that inside presence.
         
        You also pointed out the only thing Knight does efficiently is shoot the 3, but then imply Pope is an average 3 point shooter despite the fact that his shooting is identical to Knight’s. He shoots the same percentage that Knight shot in college, and is smack dab in the middle of Knight’s 3 point shooting in the pros. I really don’t think Pope’s shooting will decline. Most guys that do either don’t take many shots, benefit from unusually solid point guards and playing against weak defenses, benefit from another scorer taking pressure off him, or they just don’t quite have that NBA range. Pope seems to have the required range, his point guard sucked, his entire team sucked, and he took a ton of shots. That suggests that his percentage should hold up reasonably well. I don’t think he’ll be great, but above average is reasonable. Muhammad on the other hand didn’t take that many shots, played with a point guard that actually is a decent passer, and had a second scorer to help relieve him of his duties. I’m uncertain on Muhammad’s range, but he hit enough of those warning signs that I remain skeptical.

        • Apr 16, 20133:20 pm
          by Keith

          Reply

          I really don’t like Muhammed and don’t want the team to draft him. I think he’ll be a low efficiency, high volume scorer that will hurt the offense rather than help it. I also just am not a big fan of Pope. At 5, I could get excited about a few guys, and feel at least content of a few others. At 8 or 9? Sheesh, the talent dropoff is huge. Maybe Caldwell-Pope really is the best best guy, but that in itself seems damning to our hopes for next year.

          • Apr 16, 20133:43 pm
            by oats

            I’m not disagreeing man, it is hard to get that excited for someone like Pope. He’s who I seem to have settled on after that top 7, and I agree that it is hard to get that excited for all of that top 7. This draft kind of sucks. Kentavious Caldwell Pope has a chance to upgrade the team, even if it is not the most enticing move ever. He has a solid true shooting percentage, he’s young, he was well respected coming out of high school before struggling as a freshman, he got significantly better this year, and he has room to improve. He makes sense to me.

    • Apr 16, 20132:51 pm
      by oats

      Reply

      Considering that’s .6 points on one less shot, yeah, that’s a difference. He gets more points per shot than Muhammad, and that makes him a better shooter. While Pope is far from an ideal prospect, it still makes him better than Muhammad.
       
      I really don’t want Pope that much, I really don’t. He’s my worst case scenario 8th pick in the draft, meaning everyone I actually like is already gone. I’d like a better shooter, but there really aren’t any that also look like they could be starters. McDermott can shoot, but he isn’t a starter. McCollum shot great for 12 games, but I don’t trust 64 attempts. If he looks good in workouts then he likely jumps ahead of Pope, but based on the information at hand I have to assume that his shooting would have regressed towards his norm with more attempts. He was only a 34% shooter last year, so I remain skeptical about McCollum. Isaiah Canaan was streaky this season even though he shot great last year, and his turnover rate keeps him from looking like a starter. Erick Green did better this season on 5 attempts a game, but he looks like a Brandon Knight clone and I don’t see him as a starter either. The only guy other than McCollum that I could see starting and that also shoots better than Pope in this draft is Reggie Bullock. Bullock’s a pure 3 and D guy though, and he’s also 2 years older. Pope is a prototype 2 guard with the ability work as a slasher or as a shooter, and he has more room to grow as a player. I think Pope projects slightly better than Bullock over all, even if Bullock reminds me a bit of Afflalo. Bullock has a strong argument to belong ahead of Pope, as does McCollum, but for now I have Pope in that spot.
       
      The reason I put so much focus on Pope’s 3 point shooting is because you keep putting focus on Muhammad’s. Fine, let’s discount that. 2 point shooting. Kentavious hits 50.5% of his 2s while Muhammad hits 46.3% of his 2s. You’ve yet to counter that point. It’s not just taking more 3s that causes Pope to score more. That’s just what keeps his total shooting percentage down around Muhammad’s, but it’s also why despite that field goal percentage he is the more efficient of the two scorers.
       
      Muhammad played the tournament game, it counts. Muhammad played 32 games, same number as Caldwell Pope.
       
      As for the Brandon Knight thing, nope. He isn’t. If field goal percentage is even, and 3 point percentage is even and not really awful, and free throw attempts are even, and turnovers per game are even, and assists are even, and free throws per game and percentages are even, then the guy taking the most 3s is the most efficient player. But that wasn’t really the point I was making there anyways, I was saying the extra 3s makes Kentavious the more efficient shooter because he takes more 3s but shoots roughly the same percentage from the field. That’s factually accurate. Bringing in the other stuff, he separates from Muhammad a tiny bit more when it comes to efficiency. Pope takes a bit fewer free throws but hits them at a higher rate, so that evens out. Pope turns it over a tiny bit more, but he also gets more assists and has a higher assist to turnover ratio, making him a bit more efficient there too. So, better shooting efficiency and passing efficiency make him the more efficient offensive player. Throw that in with better defense and rebounding, and he is clearly the better prospect.

    • Apr 16, 20132:52 pm
      by G

      Reply

      Games from the tournament don’t count?

      Dude, you just don’t understand TS%. Let me explain:
      True shooting percentage is a calculation that factors in free throws and the benefits from shooting threes. For example, KCP had a game where he only took 3 FG’s and missed them all, but was 10-10 from the line and had a high TS%. Muhammad had a game where he shot 8-16 but didn’t take any FT’s and missed his only three. He had a low TS% because even though he shot 50% from the field, his 16 shots only produced 16 points.

      The Pistons’ most efficient scorer is actually Calderon, then Drummond, then Jerebko. After that it’s hard to call any of their players “efficient”, since they don’t take a ton of threes and nobody is really accurate after Calderon.

  • Apr 16, 20132:20 pm
    by vic

    Reply

    I really wouldn’t mind anybody in this top 8, except I’d swap Len for Zeller.
    If Pistons get top 8, they’ll have a good chance to get one of Burke/Porter/Oladipo

    First Round

     1

    Nerlens Noel  C
    19 years old; 6’11″; 216 lbs.
    Kentucky, Freshman

     2

    Ben McLemore  SG
    20 years old; 6’4″; 195 lbs.
    Kansas, Freshman

     3

    Marcus Smart  PG
    19 years old; 6’4″; 200 lbs.
    Oklahoma State, Freshman

     4

    Anthony Bennett  PF
    20 years old; 6’7″; 239 lbs.
    UNLV, Freshman

     5

    Victor Oladipo  SG/SF
    20 years old; 6’5″; 210 lbs.
    Indiana, Junior

     6

    Cody Zeller  C
    20 years old; 7’0″; 240 lbs.
    Indiana, Sophomore

     7

    Trey Burke  PG
    20 years old; 6’0″; 180 lbs.
    Michigan, Sophomore

     8

    From
    Raptors
    Otto Porter  SF
    19 years old; 6’8″; 200 lbs.
    Georgetown, Sophomore

    From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2QeQDcoA5
    http://www.draftexpress.com

    Its falling out of 8 that’s the problem. 

    If that’s the case I’d gamble on Tony Mitchell.
    Then Nate Wolters round 2. 
    James Ennis Round 2, 2nd pick. 

    • Apr 16, 20133:53 pm
      by oats

      Reply

      I live in ACC territory and saw a decent number of Maryland games. Len has a tendency to disappear. After watching him I really don’t have him grouped with 7 other guys. He was just really underwhelming and I’m not that interested.
       
      Mitchell’s even harder to back. He’s going the wrong direction. He took a few more shots but hit less of them. Both field goal percentage and 3 point percentage have fallen considerably since last year. His rebounding, assists, and blocks also dropped. There just isn’t a whole lot to like about Mitchell any more.

  • Apr 16, 20132:20 pm
    by Taylor Clark

    Reply

    I know people are upset with the winning at the end of the year, but with us picking in the 7-9 range we not only got Drummond who in a couple of years will be  top 3 center in this league, but we also got Monroe who is a top ten power forward (averages 16 points, 10 rebounds, and 4 assists a game). Also, the guy who is best for the Pistons  in my opinion in this years draft is Trey Burke (which pains me to say since I am a State fan lol). To me he is a guard who is a good shooter, above average passer, and someone who makes very little mistakes and consistent. He is  basically Chauncey Billups, but a couple of inches shorter. Plus his game compliments  Drummond’s and Monroe’s game. Basically, I am saying that the winning my seem detrimental  but with Trey Burke being projected in the 7-10 range in the draft it makes the winning not that big of a deal.

    • Apr 16, 20133:35 pm
      by Keith

      Reply

      I’m a State fan too, but I would scoop up Burke in a second if he was still around at 8 or 9. At least he appears to be a solid starter long term. I can’t say that about anyone after 7, and Burke still has the potential to be better than just that.

  • Apr 16, 20132:47 pm
    by Alex

    Reply

    last year i remember somebody threw cash at another GM and that was enough to buy top 10 Pick in the draft i thin i remember a figure of like 3 million for a lottery pick. i personally would spend 10 million of our cap space offering to teams in the lottery and try to get 2 or 3 good picks out of this draft to add to our core of young guys. also lets try to use some of our expiring contracts to teams in the lottery hoping to build through free agency . your thoughts?

    • Apr 16, 20133:05 pm
      by Keith

      Reply

      1) Teams can only transfer a maximum of 3 million dollars a year in trades, and it does not count towards or against either teams’ cap.
       
      2) No team has sold a top 10 pick for cash in probably 20 years.
       
      3) The only picks that are sold for cash-only are late first rounders and second rounders. Teams lately have paid the full 3 million for a very late pick (2009 Lakers sold their 29th pick for 3 million).
       
      4) Many trades of picks involve cash, but almost ALL of them also include a player or other picks as well. You can see most of the trades on Wikipedia, and almost none are ever just for cash.
       
      5) With our cap space, I could see us taking on a bad contract in order for a team to give up a good pick. However, Cleveland came out and said they would take on salary for a pick at the deadline, and not a single team would bite.
       
      Given our dearth of talent, and the way teams have been treating their first rounders this year (wouldn’t give them up even for good players), there seems very little chance we could secure more picks than we current have unless we trade down (which historically almost always fails).

  • Apr 16, 20137:27 pm
    by James Jones

    Reply

    shocker, my prediction about the end of the season came true…  http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/04/pistons-likely-to-receive-no-6-or-no-7-pick/
     

  • Apr 16, 201311:58 pm
    by oats

    Reply

    And Marcus Smart is staying in school. This draft is getting worse. It’s now officially a 6 man draft, and it’s not exactly an exciting top 6. Just awful.

    • Apr 17, 20138:18 am
      by G

      Reply

      It’ll be interesting to see if Smart’s projection moves up or down next year.

      Smart was the one guy that threw this draft off. He could’ve gone top 3 or as low as 7th or 8th. Now the Pistons probably need to win a top 3 pick to have a shot at any of the difference makers in this draft.

      • Apr 17, 20139:49 am
        by tarsier

        Reply

        Now being 8th is unacceptable. 7th could work as the odds are that there will be one head-scratching move. 6th would guarantee a decent player.

        • Apr 17, 201310:06 am
          by G

          Reply

          Best possible finish is tie for 6th with Sacramento. I think it’s lotto or bust, to be honest.

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