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Kelvin Sampson, P.J. Carlesimo (?) won’t become Pistons’ next coach

Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press:

It appears that Rockets assistant Kelvin Sampson won’t have a chance at the Pistons job. The same goes for Nets coach P.J. Carlesimo — if he isn’t retained.

Kelvin Sampson was a major candidate when the Pistons last had a head-coaching opening, even interviewing for the job. I expected they’d again consider him, but maybe he failed to impress last time, just like another candidate.

P.J. Carlesimo? I had no idea anyone even considered him a candidate, but apparently we can cross him off the list (after adding him first, I guess).

45 Comments

  • Apr 23, 20135:00 pm
    by DasMark

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    Sounds fine to me. Neither of these coaches are going to move the needle. 

  • Apr 23, 20137:33 pm
    by Big Rick

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    Quite a bit of speculation out there on our coaching search so you have to take these reports with a couple tablespoons of salt. If we really are being aggressive in our coaching hunt….. I view this as a good thing. Especially if we bring a proven coach onboard before the draft.  

  • Apr 23, 20139:24 pm
    by Nate Dogg

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    It looks like the Pistons may be in for a rude awakening. The truth of the matter is that the chances of landing a quality proven coach will be incredibly hard at this stage in Dumar’s tenur. Their track record is not good at all with coaches and the current talent pool on the roster isn’t appealing. To make matters worst the city itself isn’t a great market in terms of luring top notch free agents. Even though they’ve done a good job of freeing up cap space this team will be a hard sell. Hopefully, Dumars can do a good job with this years draft and add a needed piece that will be able to come in and make an immediate impact. Good luck Detroit, I’m pulling for you.

    • Apr 24, 20135:27 am
      by Desolation Row

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      Niiiice try Nate “Dogg”… or, should I say, McMillan?!!
       

    • Apr 24, 201311:38 am
      by Huddy

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      This is a much more promising team than it has been in years in terms of potential.  Any coach would love to coach Drummond, we have a lot of cap flexibility so they would be coming in at a time when they can really form a new group of guys rather than taking over someone else’s creation, and we have other young nice pieces on the team. 
       
      The stuff about the free agent market is really exaggerated.  It is true that a top-notch star like Chris Paul or Dwight probably wont be coming here, but they probably won’t be going anywhere because they are in good situations.  The poor economic conditions in the city of Detroit are irrelevant to the Pistons from a FA standpoint.  They play in Auburn Hills and all the players generally live in places like Bloomfield that are some of the richest areas in the entire country, its not as if people signing with the Pistons are moving into burned down buildings.  A lot of NBA guys live all over, they travel most of the year, and have family that they spend the off-season with.  Players go to teams they will fit well on and will pay them their desired contracts.  The Pistons have young assets that FAs would like to play with and the money to spend.

  • Apr 23, 20139:33 pm
    by domnick

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    mike brown reunion with CAVS…

    crazy.. bad hire…

    we shouldn’t do the same thing…. we should hire a proven coach…

    • Apr 23, 201311:11 pm
      by CityofKlompton

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      Mike Brown is as proven a coach as just about any coach on the market… Interesting statement… 

      • Apr 23, 201311:38 pm
        by oats

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        I think Brown has proven himself to be a bad to mediocre coach. He had the best player in the world on his team, and had no idea what to do with him. He needed Kuester to fix their offense. Kuester just looked at the team and thought, let’s give the ball to LeBron and get out of the way. That’s not really an exaggeration, the solution was to run more LeBron isos. It resembled an AAU offense, and that was actually an improvement. I’m really don’t like Brown, and I’m glad he’s off the market. I’m also glad Cleveland is no longer shopping for a legitimately good coach.

      • Apr 23, 201311:57 pm
        by Mark

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        I was thinking the same thing reading that, Klompton. 

        I would’ve been fine with us hiring Brown. I always liked his teams when we went up against them in the playoffs.

        He got a very bad rep in LA. I think that was just a bad fit from the start. He’s a gritty/tough East defensive coach, which will never work in LA, where you need a sexy/showtime-esque system to be accepted.

        I think he would’ve fit well here with the Pistons style. 

        • Apr 23, 201311:58 pm
          by Mark

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          Wouldn’t have been my first choice, but I would’ve been ok with him

        • Apr 24, 201312:04 am
          by oats

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          Keep in mind LA got worse on defense after he took over.

          • Apr 24, 20131:23 am
            by Mark

            yeah, but that was an old team and wasn’t a defensive team. Its hard to get an old offense-first team to play defense consistently.

          • Apr 24, 20131:32 am
            by oats

            But they played better defense the year before under Phil. That argument is terrible.

      • Apr 24, 20131:41 am
        by domnick

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        well i dont think he is a good coach for this team… if he cant handle kobe or lbj then there is no way he can handle upcoming stars like greg monroe, drummond etc….

        for me… nate mcmillan is the ideal fit….. but lets not just focus on hiring good coaches… we also need a good roster… dump the useless ones… and try to acquire players that fits to our philosophy going forward…

  • Apr 24, 20139:08 am
    by zach

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    BETTER GET JACKSON WHILE HE’S STILL AVAILABLE! Willing and able to teach Drummond D and has the power to lure people in free agent wise. A good hire? NO a great hire!

    • Apr 24, 20139:41 am
      by MIKEYDE248

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      Only way Phil has ever won was with at least 3 superstars and a good supporting cast around them, so if he doesn’t bring that along with himself, we may have well just kept Frank.  Only thing Phil ever did was coach egos.

      • Apr 24, 201310:30 am
        by LT

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        show us 3 superstars on the ’92 Bulls, ’02 Lakers, ’09 Lakers. Sir, you are mistaken. Show us a championship team that had no superstars and a below average supporting cast. Who do you think is the top coach of the last 20 years if it is not Phil Jackson?

        • Apr 24, 201312:00 pm
          by Huddy

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          Saying 3 was poor wording, but Jackson has benefited from having the most talented players of the time, not that he is a bad coach it just is in his favor.  I would say the Last Piston’s championship team lacked a superstar, but definitely didn’t have a below average supporting cast but there wasn’t a Kobe or MJ on that team.  I think bringing a balanced squad like that to a championship is more of an accomplishment than coaching (for example) Lebron Wade and Bosh to a ship.  Jackson is far too decorated to say he isn’t the top coach of the last 20 years, but the Pistons need someone to build a winner and I doubt Jackson wants that project like that.

          • Apr 24, 20133:15 pm
            by LT

            I agree Jackson does not want a project like this team. I am in favor of hiring either Van Gundy brother for the reasons you stated above.
             

          • Apr 24, 20134:02 pm
            by MIKEYDE248

            Most of the teams he won with were equivalent to a coach that coaches the US Olympic teams. They are expected to win because of the team, not the coach.

          • Apr 25, 20138:20 am
            by G

            Uh, no. They were Olympic teams in that Luc Longley made the Australian Olympic team, Kukoc made the Yugo/Croat teams, and Jordan & Pippen made the US team, but no… Only a couple of those teams were “stacked”, the main reason they were expected to win was Jordan.

            I’d like to point out that the Lakers essentially had that same team in place with Del Harris and got swept by the Spurs in the WCF. Phil came the next year & they won 3 in a row.

        • Apr 24, 201312:02 pm
          by MIKEYDE248

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          So out of all his championships you pull out 3 years that he didn’t have 3 superstars on the team.  In each of those years he did have arguably the best player in the NBA on the team with at least a couple of other really good players.

          The Bulls had MJ, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant & B.J. Armstrong.

          The Lakers had Kobe, Shaq & Lindsey Hunter, how much more do you need? (Just kidding about the Linsey Hunter)

          Like I said, all he ever did was manage egos.  He never had to coach a bunch of young players or teach them how to play.

          • Apr 24, 20133:14 pm
            by LT

            i did not pull those three years because i thought they were the only years that would support my argument. Jackson is the BEST COACH of the last 25 NBA seasons. Unless you want to argue that Horace Grant, old Dennis Rodman, old Glenn Rice, or Andrew Bynum are superstars, Jackson NEVER coached three superstars at the same time.
             

          • Apr 24, 20133:45 pm
            by G

            How many coaches even get 2 superstars at the same time? Riley, Phil, Brooks, Spoelstra, Pop… and that’s it. Nobody gets 3 superstars at the same time. 

          • Apr 24, 20134:15 pm
            by oats

            It seems like the mistake is using the word superstar. He had 2 superstars and a 3rd star player in pretty much all of them. Rodman was still a star player, Bynum was a star player, Grant was a star player, heck even Odom could be thought of as a star. They all could have been the 2nd best player on a pretty good squad, but they were being added to MJ/Pippen or Shaq/Kobe. That’s an awful lot of talent and you’d be crazy to think that didn’t play a role in Phil’s success. I honestly think Popovich would have been as successful if he had that kind of talent. Don’t get me wrong, Pop has had some real talent too, but not 2 of the 7 best players in the game talent. 
             
            Riley would have been pretty similar given the kind of talent Phil had. Sloan, Adelman, and Karl might have come pretty close too. I’d place Phil ahead of all those guys and in a dead heat with Pop for the best coach, but I find it really hard to objectively separate those two. Pop has 4 rings with far lesser talent than Phil has worked with, often using castoffs from other teams. Right now he has an old Spurs team in the top 10 in pace, offense by possession, and defense by possession. He’s doing that while also getting his key players plenty of rest. What he’s doing right now is simply incredible. Phil is the most decorated coach, but I’m unconvinced he’s actually better than Pop.

          • Apr 24, 20134:25 pm
            by G

            Don’t forget Kukoc, who was the best #3 Jordan ever played with. Also, the first title Phil won with LA had GLEN RICE as their #3 guy. Rice was past the “score 50 points in a game” stage of his career, but he was still putting up about 16 ppg.

        • Apr 24, 20131:52 pm
          by tarsier

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          Poppovich, easily. Jackson has done a great job with great assets. But coaches would kill to have the opportunity to prove that they can do what Jackson could.

          Pops did great things with other teams’ castoffs. 

  • Apr 24, 20139:08 am
    by Jeremy

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    Not really heartbroken by either of these guys being eliminated.
     
    What about Rudy Tomjanovich? The last year he coached was 2004 and that was when he replaced Phil in LA. He was only able to get 43 games into the season before having mental and physical issues due to his cancer bout. From what I can find online it appears as though he is healthy. So why him? Born and raised in Hamtramck, played at U of M, former player, 2 time NBA Champ as a head coach, in 12 of the full seasons he coached his teams made the playoffs 7 times – he did have some pretty stacked teams though (Hakeem, Clyde the Glyde, Barkley, Horry, Pippen, etc., etc.,).

  • Apr 24, 201310:09 am
    by sebastian

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    I know this may sound crazy, but what about Joe Dumars becoming the next Head Coach.
    As a player, Joe had a cerebral approach to the game. He was like a coach on the floor, during Doug Collins’ tenure as Head Coach of the Pistons. He (Joe) is responsible for comprising the current roster (some ill-fitted, but responsible nonetheless) and will be play a significant role at reshaping the roster, starting on Draft night. Joe can assemble his own staff, as he has assisted in the pass with the assembling of the most recent staffs: Curry’s, Kuester’s, and L. Franks’.
    Also, it may be the only way that Joe will be able to save his jobs, as President of Basketball Operations.
    Besides, Joe could use the exercise.
    But, in all seriousness, Joe would make an excellent Head Coach of the Pistons.

    • Apr 24, 201310:19 am
      by G

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      Don’t think he wants to, and GM/coaches have a pretty poor history in the last 20-30 years.

  • Apr 24, 201310:10 am
    by LT

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    Any chance we get a Van Gundy?
     

  • Apr 24, 201310:50 am
    by Jacob

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    Mike Dunlap!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Apr 24, 201312:27 pm
    by MrCarter

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    Nate’s still my first choice. Mahorns #2, Patrick Ewing #3. And I thought PJ was coaching the Nets.

  • Apr 24, 201312:56 pm
    by Clint in Flint

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    What is the time line for this search for a coach? 
    I believe one of the reason Joe won’t pick Laimbeer is because if he turns the Pistons into a winner then Joe is going to look like an idiot for not hiring him one, two, or three coaches ago. Just another opinion.  

    • Apr 24, 20131:04 pm
      by G

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      Disagree with that. Why avoid a guy if you think he’ll be good? Dumars is playing for his job right now.

      Timeline-wise, I’m guessing they want to get a coach hired before the draft. Usually dragging your feet in this process results in missing out on the top guys, so they’ll probably try to wrap it up sooner rather than later. If they’re thinking about a guy like Budenholzer though (and I hope they are), they’ll probably wait until his team is eliminated from the playoffs. 

      • Apr 24, 20131:39 pm
        by MIKEYDE248

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        That’s kinda what I was thinking too.  Once the playoffs are over, they can either go after an assistant or by then, most coaches that are going to be fired will be fired.

      • Apr 24, 20131:47 pm
        by Clint in Flint

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        G, do you really think Budenholzer would leave the Spurs for the Pistons? From everything I have read it doesn’t sound like he would be interested. I think he would be great for Detroit. 

        • Apr 24, 20132:00 pm
          by G

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          The question is when will Pop retire? If it’s going to be another 4 years or so, I think Budenholzer isn’t going to wait. If Pop says I’m retiring after next year, Budenholzer probably stays in San Antonio. As an assistant, you pretty much have to take a HC opportunity when it’s offered. And Budenholzer has applied for other HC gigs before, why would this be different?

          • Apr 24, 20132:40 pm
            by Clint in Flint

            I hope your right.

  • Apr 24, 20131:17 pm
    by Big Rick

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    Good points G, I was thinking the same. Hope the Pistons are on the same page though. Lol 

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