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Andre Drummond, Greg Monroe combine for 52 points, 19 rebounds to beat Cavs

Detroit Pistons 111 Final
Recap | Box Score
104 Cleveland Cavaliers
Greg Monroe, C 38 MIN | 10-18 FG | 3-5 FT | 8 REB | 4 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 23 PTS | +19

Monroe can pass in tight spaces, and that will be key to making a pairing with Andre Drummond work. Half of Monroe’s assists tonight went to Drummond. Monroe is definitely trying to make the combination work, taking three mid-range shots with Drummond on the court (all misses) and none with Drummond on the bench.

Andre Drummond, C 34 MIN | 10-11 FG | 9-17 FT | 11 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 29 PTS | +3

Drummond very effectively uses his wide frame, good hands and explosive leaping ability to create dunk opportunities in Detroit’s half-court offense. He’s getting to the point where he can get and convert those looks, even in traffic, which is important for playing with Monroe. Drummond’s career-high scoring output was boosted by Cleveland’s decision to intentionally foul him late in the game, but he came through with his fourth-best single-game free-throw percentage.

Brandon Knight, PG 35 MIN | 2-11 FG | 3-3 FT | 4 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 7 PTS | +8

After efficiently scoring 25 and 20 points in his last two games, Knight once again struggled to shoot well. He hasn’t scored more than 10 points in three straight games since a run that began Feb. 20.

Rodney Stuckey, PG 37 MIN | 5-8 FG | 6-9 FT | 1 REB | 7 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 18 PTS | +19

Since March 31, Stuckey is averaging 20 points, five assists and two turnovers per game. He’s finally turning the corner. Right? … Right? … Hello? … Is anyone still reading?

Kyle Singler, SG 27 MIN | 1-7 FG | 5-6 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 7 PTS | +28

Singler looked off, both in putting himself in position to shoot and in shooting.

Jonas Jerebko, PF 17 MIN | 2-5 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | +2

Jerebko was very active tonight, and that’s why what has become an off night for him was still better than most of his early-season performances.

Charlie Villanueva, PF 6 MIN | 0-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -13

Defensive. Disaster. It’s very difficult to hide a big man defensively, and that’s what really limits Villanueva’s value. It’s almost impossible to devise a defensive scheme that will prevent opponents from attacking him.

Khris Middleton, SF 21 MIN | 3-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 6 PTS | -21

Middleton definitely looks more comfortable and confident lately. Hopefully, this is the first major step in him becoming a rotation-caliber player by next season.

Will Bynum, PG 21 MIN | 7-10 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 16 PTS | -1

Bynum hadn’t heated up like this since mid-March. Barring an exception performance in either direction during the Pistons’ final three games, tonight will be a nice reminder heading into free agency of what he can do.

Kim English, SG 3 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -9

Unless the Pistons see something in English’s on-ball defense he hasn’t shown in games, it’s increasingly difficult to envision him returning next year.

Lawrence Frank

Kudos to Frank for giving Drummond and Monroe 26 minutes together. Offensively, they balanced each other, even though they shared a tight space. Defensively, they had a few issues, but I think those were more related to Tristan Thompson going off than a fundamental problem related to them playing together.

Frank leaving Drummond on the court when Cleveland intentionally fouled in the fourth quarter also worked, though it won’t every night unless Drummond boosts his free-throw percentage.The Pistons scored 1.286 points per possession when Cleveland intentionally fouled Drummond(not counting Thompson’s boneheaded/tanktastic decision to foul him inside two minutes, which resulted in two Stuckey free throws and the ball). The NBA’s top offense scores 1.103 points per possession, and coming off free throws, Detroit’s defense has an opportunity to set.

50 Comments

  • Apr 11, 201312:21 am
    by Javell

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    Drummond proves hes better than anthony davis….. Knight proves hes athletic and monroe proves nothing…. I expected this from him…. Now pistons need to tank rest of the way.,, drummond ftw!!!

    • Apr 11, 201312:38 am
      by MNM

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      Brandon Knight hasn’t proved jack shit thus far

      • Apr 11, 20131:14 am
        by Mark

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        lmao, so true. The only thing Knight has proven is that he’s very inconsistent.

        • Apr 11, 20131:15 am
          by Mark

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          tbh though I’m glad this game didn’t become another Knight-Irving battle. I much more enjoyed seeing a battle of the bigs inside starring Moose and Dre

          • Apr 11, 201311:05 am
            by MNM

            Right, because Knight probably would have lost.

  • Apr 11, 201312:22 am
    by Javell

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    Drummond proves hes a future SUPERSTAR…. Yes i said SUPERSTAR,!

  • Apr 11, 201312:37 am
    by Big Rick

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    Dang Knight! Thought you were gonna show out against Kyrie tonight, adding even show up. Give coach Frank credit for riding it out with Drummond while the Cavs were resorting to hack-a-DRE. Way to show confidence in the young fella. 

  • Apr 11, 20131:12 am
    by bball4224

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    My phone made it look like Corey Maggette played.
    He didn’t have any minutes but his stat-line was filled w/ zeros whereas those who didn’t play were blank. Apparently it lied because I think it would have been mentioned if he saw the court even for a second.

  • Apr 11, 20138:00 am
    by Piston fan

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    All we did was hurt ourselves by winning this game, and messing up our chances in the draft 

    • Apr 11, 20138:26 am
      by mixmasta

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      I can understand that but this game showed that Greg-Dre pairing is going to work!
       
      Kudos to Moose for adjusting and trying to expand his game by shooting perimeter jump shots. I’d rather have Moose than a talented drama queen who does not know the word teamwork.

    • Apr 11, 20139:01 am
      by Jeremy

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      They really didn’t hurt their chances last night as all they did was move into a tie for the 5th worst record in the league instead of continuing to own it out right. Detroit has 3 games left, Cleveland 4 games left, and Phoenix 3 games left. Even if you hop into a time machine and go to 6:59 pm last night, all 3 teams were in the same boat as they are now. If team A is trying to tank, you have to bet so is team b and team c. They are pretty well locked into the 5th/6th worst record in the league. My philosophy is either you want the #1 pick or a pick in the 4, 5, 6, 7 range. Too many teams try to reach at #2, #3, and sometimes #4 and that in turn drops the real wins of the draft down. You don’t have to look any further than last year’s draft and Andre Drummond to see that. If you want more proof of this philosophy, lets go to 2010. Who would you rather have? Turner (#2 pick), Favors (#3 pick), Johnson (#4 pick), Udoh (#5 pick) – or – Monroe? Still want more? Let’s go to 2011. Who would you rather have? Williams (#2 pick), Kanter (#3 pick), Thompson (#4 pick), Valanciunas (#5 pick), Veesly (#6 pick), Biyombo (#7) – or – Knight? I am only listing those that came prior because the assumption is that one of those guys was enticing enough to begin tanking once the lottery opportunities for the #1 pick became a long shot.
       
      I always have to harken to my favorite series of quotes from Dumb and Dumber when I hear of fans wanting their team to tank – especially when they are already out of the running for the largest set chance at the #1 pick:
      Lloyd:”What are the chances of a guy like you and girl like me end up together?”
      Mary: “Well that’s pretty difficult to say.”
      Lloyd: “Hit me with it! I’ve come a long way to see you Mary. The least you could do is level with me. What are my chances?”
      Mary: “Not good.”
      Lloyd: “You mean, not good like one in a hundred?”
      Mary: “I’d say more like one in a million.”
      Lloyd: “….So you’re telling me there’s a chance!”
       
       

      • Apr 11, 201310:21 am
        by Huddy

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        Kanter, Thompson, and Valanciunas are all more valuable than Knight.  In addition, you could make this same type of argument and say you might as well jump into the 10-20 range and pick out one guy that ended up being worthy of a higher pick like Kawhi Leonard, Faried, Klay Thompson, Vucevic, etc… 5,6,7 aren’t the best picks because in the years you choose to pick out we got a couple of good players there, as a whole it is obviously better to have a higher pick because at the very least all those guys would have still been available.  Look at Drummond we got him at 9, but whos to say we wouldn’t have picked him at 3?  Either way we would have had the option we are lucky he fell that far.

        • Apr 11, 201311:30 am
          by tarsier

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          The one reasonable point he could have made (but didn’t) is that getting Drummond at 9 is significantly better than getting him at 3 just because of the pay scale.

      • Apr 11, 201311:28 am
        by tarsier

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        So many things wrong with this.

        1) Why don’t I ask you whether you’d rather have Carmelo, Bosh, Wade…. or Kaman/Hinrich? Or would you rather have Durant, Horford, Conley… or Brewer?

        2) A lower nominal pick pre-lottery lowers the odds of getting the first overall pick. SO even if all you cared about was first overall or bust, you still want to end up as low in the standings as possible, even after lowest overall is out of reach.

        3) It doesn’t hurt to go from 5th outright to tied for 5th? Do you realize that lowers one’s lottery combinations from those allotted to the 5th worst team to halfway between those allotted to the 5th worst and 6th worst teams.
        Furthermore, it’s not just about the standings right now. It’s about where they will be in a week. And teams are close enough that one game could make a pretty substantial difference. Especially against the Cavs. If Cleveland had won, not only would it make it less likely for Detroit to catch NO/SAC, but it would make it quite possible for CLE to catch DET. Now there is no way that happens.

        4) As for your Dumb and Dumber quote, we’re talking here about chances ranging from about 1 in 8 to about 1 in 25. Long odds, but not crazy long. So 1 in 100 or 1 in 1,000,000 is just totally irrelevant to the conversation.

      • Apr 11, 20131:45 pm
        by MrBigShot

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        Well said. 

  • Apr 11, 20138:43 am
    by G

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    Gotta admit, I was at the Tigers game and didn’t see this one, but I caught some on radio, and English sounded like a disaster. I suspect he finds a home in the D league next year.

  • Apr 11, 20139:06 am
    by Venice

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    Though I understand all the hate regarding Knight but, we should really cut him some slack. He is battling some nagging injuries and that really takes a toll on a player. I really appreciate him having Kobe-like hardwork. Even though he really doesn’t give us the production we expect him to have, I really think someday he would be successful. 

    • Apr 11, 20139:32 am
      by danny

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      I agree with you completely he is still a very young kid that is learning a new system and a new style of play.  The fact that he is hurt and competes says a lot to me.  BUt then again most people here just look at stats instead of how people play.

      • Apr 11, 201310:12 am
        by G

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        Stats help get in the way of personal bias. It doesn’t look to me like Knight’s injuries are affecting his game as much as his consistently inconsistent offensive game. I hope he turns into a player, but right now the eye test says he’s a bench guy, not a starter.

      • Apr 11, 201310:32 am
        by Huddy

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        This type of production and inconsistency isn’t new due to injury it is how things have been since day one with him, a couple of good games mixed in with a lot of bad ones.  If he is battling injury he would/should be sitting just like we were as cautious as can be with Drummond’s injury during these last few meaningless games.
         
        I really haven’t read comments about people bashing his work ethic.  I think things get hostile about him when people seem to express blind faith in his potential and other feel the need to point out all the reasons why that faith is wrong.  At the end of the day since his production looks bad people have the right to question his future on the team and people who have faith in his future are entitled to their opinions, but it becomes a big circle of the same stuff because one argument is based on potential, which isn’t tangible,  and the other is on current production.  Above all people don’t like excuses so every time he has a bad game and there are 10 other people to blame besides Knight people get annoyed, but I think he is a hard worker that doesn’t make excuses so it is probably the product of loyal fans and not having much else to talk about until the playoffs are over.

  • Apr 11, 201311:15 am
    by G

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    Question – Which has been more calamitous to the Pistons’ season?
    a) Rodney Stuckey
    b) Brandon Knight at PG
    c) Greg Monroe’s defense
    d) Drummond not getting minutes, then getting injured
    e) The Tayshaun-Calderon trade 

    • Apr 11, 201311:31 am
      by G

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      …guess I should throw in f) Frank

    • Apr 11, 201311:31 am
      by tarsier

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      The Calderon trade was actually a plus. It opened up extra cap space for the offseason, resulted in more minutes for young prospects, and hurt the Pistons’ record in a season when they weren’t going to make the playoffs anyway.

    • Apr 11, 201311:47 am
      by Huddy

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      If were talking about for wins this season I’m going to to say D.).  Last night was a nice peak at what he can do with Monroe so I feel like if he was starting most of the year we would have seen more production like this.  The cavs are bad so one game isn’t that important to see how they play together, but wins aside without D.) we at least have a better idea how the two play together which gives us a clearer idea of what we should do going forward and in some ways addresses C.) and F.) in the process.
       

      • Apr 11, 201312:14 pm
        by G

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        ^Agree. If I’m ranking them, then D is #1, closely followed by A at #2. There’s a big space between that and the next 2, B and F. Then there’s another space, and then C and E.

        @ tarsier, I wasn’t referring to the cap situation, just wins. The Calderon trade weakened the team’s depth, and they DID have an outside shot at the 8th spot in the playoffs & getting swept by Miami. They were a few games back, if they had gone .500 since they did the Tayshaun trade instead of 10-24, they’d only be 3 games back of Milwaukee right now.

         

        • Apr 11, 201312:36 pm
          by tarsier

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          I think going .500 instead of 10-24, especially with the Drummond injury, would have been an extreme long shot. And making up 3 wins at this point would be borderline impossible.

          • Apr 11, 20131:27 pm
            by G

            Right, with the Drummond injury. Which is why that’s the main reason their season fell apart. In a hypothetical world where everything else is the same but Drummond remains healthy, is .500 for 34 games that hard to believe?

            My point in bringing up Milwaukee is the Pistons wouldn’t be ruled out of the playoffs yet if they had gone .500 from 1/30 up to today. They’re a different team with Drummond in the lineup, nearly getting 2 wins against Chicago. Honestly I think if Drummond and one other thing had gone right the past 2 months, the Pistons would be in the #8 spot in the east instead of where they are.

            As a franchise they’re probably better off with a high lotto pick. At the same time, a little playoff experience could help the young guys too.

          • Apr 11, 20131:46 pm
            by tarsier

            They wouldn’t have been considered out of it until recently. And they still wouldn’t be mathematically out of it. But they would no longer have any realistic chance. Again, a 3 game deficit is virtually insurmountable at this point.

          • Apr 11, 20131:50 pm
            by G

            This is a completely apart from my point, but yeah, they’d need Milwaukee to go 0-4 (and they’ll probably go 1-3) and the Pistons would need to win out (when they’ll probably go 1-2 or 2-1).

          • Apr 11, 20132:04 pm
            by tarsier

            It is. But my point is that, unless they’re gonna make the playoffs, the pistons might as well lose as much as possible.

          • Apr 11, 20132:24 pm
            by G

            And MY whole point is that if you assume the object of the NBA season is to get as many wins as possible, then Drummond playing more and a better version of Rodney Stuckey probably get the Pistons into the playoffs.

          • Apr 11, 20134:41 pm
            by tarsier

            But they wouldn’t. I mean, they would help, but you are talking about a difference of about 9-12 games in the standings. That’s not a LeBron or even a franchise player level of impact, but it is a superstar/max contract guy level of impact.

            Drummond will hopefully be on that level someday, but he is certainly not yet. And Stuckey is nowhere close. 

          • Apr 12, 20138:47 am
            by G

            If you’re talking win shares, allow me to enlighten you. Andre Drummond has a WS/48 of .180. If he had played 2200 minutes (which is about what Knight has) instead of the 1100 minutes he’s played, Drummond would be worth 8.3 win shares. 

            Stuckey’s WS/48 last year was .131. If he had been as good as he was last year for the same minutes he’s played this year, he’s be worth 5.7 win shares. Combine the 2, and that’s 7.3 more wins than they’re worth right now, or a 34-45 record.

            Now we have to step away from advanced stats. I believe Drummond has an effect on the team that no stat can measure. Some players have it, some don’t. Drummond appears to have it. When he’s on the court, his energy is infectious. The team BELIEVES. They enjoy playing the game. It’s no coincidence the losing streak happened while he was out. They missed his rebounding, but even more than that they missed his attitude on the court. I don’t think win shares quite covers what a guy like Drummond means to this team.

          • Apr 12, 20139:22 am
            by tarsier

            Win shares are a way of approximating how good a player is. But they do not translate directly to how many more wins can be expected from playing guys more. Besides, even if they did, you’d have to subtract the contributions of who they are replacing.

            Furthermore, Drummond was limited too much by Frank. But when Frank let him play longer, he was clearly limited by conditioning.

            Finally, it may be true, but it is absurd to talk about a team doing better if it doesn’t sustain any significant injuries. That’s true for every team in the league. But most have some injury issues over a season. 

          • Apr 12, 201311:04 am
            by G

            The whole point was to look at the obvious flaws & misfortunes of this Pistons team and opine about which of those things cost the team more wins. Drummond’s injury falls into that category, and it’s legitimate to speculate how things may have been different if Drummond had stayed healthy.

            As far as win shares go, they are the “estimated wins contributed by a player”. It’s an estimation and obviously I’m not saying that playing Drummond more would necessarily translate to 4 more wins in the real world, but I think it’s a good estimation. Stuckey wouldn’t be replacing anyone, in my scenario I said if he played the SAME MINUTES with last year’s effectiveness. Drummond would clearly be taking minutes from Maxiell, which would translate to the loss of less than 1 WS. 

            Drummond’s conditioning problem was a bit of cause and effect. Frank limited his minutes, so Drummond wasn’t able to build up his conditioning during games in the early part of the season. Also, the times that he showed a lack of conditioning were when Frank played him more than 9 minutes without a break. This could’ve been solved by Frank having a more regular substitution pattern for Drummond.

    • Apr 11, 20131:26 pm
      by Vic

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      Since they were realistically competing for 8 seed before Drumminds injury I’ll say D.

      Next is Frank because I blame him for b and a

      Next is b because assists and turnovers were the biggest problem in the first half of the season  

      Next is a because of Frank stopping Stuckeys progress at pg from last year 

      • Apr 11, 20131:38 pm
        by G

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        I think Frank is less responsible for Rodney Stuckey than you think. The Pistons run very few set plays, most of the decisions made on the offensive side are done by the players. Frank has said he didn’t want Stuckey to become a spot-up shooter, that’s just how Stuckey interpreted his move from PG to SG. Also, Stuckey never was a good PG prospect. His best year was 2011, when he looked like a homeless man’s version of Monta Ellis.

        Frank deserves plenty of the stink of this season though, based on how he handled Drummond and the fact that he got out-coached in about 70% of the Pistons’ games.

        • Apr 11, 20133:33 pm
          by GEORGIO

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          I disagree, I think Frank was directly responsible for Stuckey’s horrible start. Knight and Stuckey were basically co-point guards last year and had some success doing it that way. Stuckey even stayed in Detroit over the summer preparing for this season, then when he gets here all of a sudden Frank wants Knight to be a traditional PG and Stuckey a traditional SG. Regarless of how Frank wanted Stuckey to play, shooting guards usually come off screens shooting or spot up shooting, neither of which is Stuckey’s strength. Max as the starting PF last yr worked and Frank didn’t change that so why change the way Knight and Stuckey handled the point guard duties. Now we are seeing Stuckey back in his famaliar position and things are clicking. I still think Knight and Stuckey can be an effective backcourt tandem, Let Jose walk and use the money elsewhere, our backcourt is just fine. 

          • Apr 11, 20134:21 pm
            by oats

            Why is the traditional job description of a shooting guard more important than what the coach asks the shooting guard to do? How can Frank be blamed for Stuckey’s decisions at the position when they go contrary to what Frank was asking him to do? Why can’t Stuckey come off screens and then go to the hoop? Why can’t he catch in the corner and drive to the hoop? He doesn’t have to take those shots if it’s not what he does well, and he really doesn’t have to take them if the coach tells him not to. Yeah, Stuckey is to blame for Stuckey taking those shots.
             
            As for Stuckey and Knight comboing it up, I guess we’ll have to disagree here. They don’t look that effective. I really can’t see that being good enough to ever be able to make a run in the playoffs with those guys in the back court. They are really streaky, and frankly they aren’t that good. What’s more, they aren’t just being combo guards right now. These last few games Stuckey has clearly been playing point guard with Knight clearly playing shooting guard. The results of which are pretty bleak, so I don’t know how you could look at that and volunteer for more of that nonsense.
             
            The change made was a pretty simple one to explain one. The Knight/Stuckey combo guard thing wasn’t likely to be effective enough to get very far. Knight had a higher ceiling as a point guard, so they decided to give him a shot at playing the position normally. It failed. I don’t know if they finally realized Bynum was also a better point guard than Stuckey or if they just saw a hole at shooting guard, but Stuckey never really got much of a chance to play the point while Knight was a point guard. That was followed by him not playing point guard with Calderon at the point. Now that the Knight at point guard idea largely failed and Calderon is hurt, Stuckey is getting a chance to play point guard again. The results are that one streaky player is playing well (Stuckey), and the other is all over the place (Knight). I really want this pairing to go away, it is not good enough.

  • Apr 11, 20136:52 pm
    by Georgio

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    To me the pairing passes the eye test, the team is playing well and those two have good chemistry on the court.  If the Pistons get a chance to aquire a better guard at either position then more power to them, but I don’t think that Jose with Knight at SG is a good combination. A coaches job is to get the most out of his players by any means possible, he should be putting players in a position to succeed not fail. Knight will be a fine PG someday but isn’t ready for the position full time, playing with Stuckey relieved him of some of that responsibility by allowing him to play off the ball some also. I think those two should be our backcourt  until a better alternative comes along. Jose is not a better alternative.  

    • Apr 11, 20137:14 pm
      by oats

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      Ah, so we disagree on pretty much everything. Knight hasn’t shown an aptitude to play point guard, so I’m assuming he never will be a fine one. He looks a bit more natural at shooting guard, and the things he does well happen to match up pretty well with that position. Personally I don’t see a guy that should be starting in Knight, but if he becomes a starter I think it’s far more likely to be at shooting guard. Knight’s also the best player in the Knight/Stuckey back court, so I really don’t see Stuckey as a starter either. They both look like they would be best served being the first guard off the bench, but obviously they can’t both fill that role.
       
      I also think Jose is just way better than either of the Knight/Stuckey pairing. It really isn’t close. Stuckey can’t shoot or pass. Knight is a turnover machine who can’t pass. As bad as Jose is defensively, he isn’t that far off from Stuckey because Stuckey is just so rarely engaged on that side of the ball. Actually, there are several stats that indicate Jose is superior to Stuckey as a defender. Even if Stuckey is better, Jose is just so much better on offense that Stuckey can’t beat him out as a player. If the Knight and Jose pairing doesn’t look like it will work, and I agree it does not, the solution is not to replace the better player of the two with a clearly inferior one. The solution is to demote Knight and get a shooting guard that is currently not on the roster. Thankfully with the draft and a ton of cap space opening up there is plenty of opportunities to do just that.

      • Apr 12, 201311:02 am
        by GEORGIO

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        I would be interested in what stats you have that indicate that Jose is a better defender than Stuckey. We’ve seen several times since Jose has been a Piston that because of his defensive troubles that Stuckey and Knight actually finish the game. Also I don’t think Jose’s offense is “so much better” than Stuckey’s.  Stuckey’s not a great shooter but to say he can’t pass is ridiculous. Hey, we just see things differently and that’s the point, neither of us know how Joe sees it and those are the eyes that count.  

        • Apr 12, 201311:19 am
          by G

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          Stats tend to fail in showing good defense vs. bad defense, but I’ll give it a go. How about steals? Calderon averages 1.07 per game, Stuckey 0.67 per game. Most of the advanced stats suggest they’re equally bad defensively, but Calderon will get you some steals.

          Stuckey may not be a bad passer, but he’s certainly not a good one. Calderon has a passing rating of 14.3, which puts him ahead of Rondo and behind Chris Paul. Stuckey’s passing rating is on the low side at 6.7. It’s good compared to most NBA players, but bad compared to NBA guards.
           

          • Apr 12, 20132:30 pm
            by GEORGIO

            Stuckey can stay in front of his man pretty well, he has quick feet, and he’s stronger than Jose so he’s harder to post. His defense is clearly head and shoulders above Jose’s that’s why Jose has been on the bench late in games on several occassions. Jose is more of a traditional PG so he looks to pass while Stuckey is more of a “scoring PG” as they are now called. He actually is a pretty good passer he just doesn’t look to pass as often as Jose does. 

          • Apr 12, 20133:18 pm
            by G

            I think picking between the two of them defensively is like asking which of the Morris twins you like better. Really, who cares?

            As for Stuckey being a good passer… that’s like, your OPINION, man. You call Stuckey a “scoring PG”… Traditionally that means he’s the best or second-best scorer on the team (not the case). Stuckey is a ball-dominant guard, meaning he pounds the air out of the ball. The fact that Stuckey doesn’t look to pass very often is not a good thing.

    • Apr 12, 20138:20 am
      by G

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      What, exactly, makes you think Knight will ever be a good PG? Stuckey is better at it than Knight probably ever will be, and Stuckey isn’t that good at it. If a coach’s job is to get the most out of his players & put them in a position to succeed (it’s not, but we’ll go with that for now), then putting Knight at PG would be a complete failure of that.

      What are Knight’s weaknesses? Decision making, ball control, court vision, finishing. Hmmm, all things you have to be good at to be a PG. What are Knight’s strengths? Spot up shooting, athleticism, defense. Sounds like a 2 guard to me.

      • Apr 12, 201311:10 am
        by GEORGIO

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        The Stuckey/Knight pairing with them being co-point guards last year was bearing fruit and should have been continued at the start of this year, it was not and both players suffered because of it. As you see now with that arrangement back in force the team as a hold is playing better. If a better alternative comes along by all means take it, i.e. drafting McLemore, but with the team we have now I think the Stuckey/Knight backcourt is our best option offensively and defensively. I also perfer a coach who puts his player in a position to succeed and get the best out of them, I don’t know what you like your coaches to do.  

        • Apr 12, 201311:25 am
          by G

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          I like my coaches to win games. If that comes at the expense of player development, so be it. Winning can take a back seat to development when the playoffs are out of the question, but ultimately winning takes precedence over player development. 

          How exactly was the Stuckey/Knight combo bearing fruit last year? The Pistons were 28th in the league in assists (playing 2 ball-dominant guards will do that), 29th in assists/turnover ratio, and 28th in turnovers. That’s some pretty poor PG play. 

          • Apr 12, 20133:00 pm
            by GEORGIO

            Player development has nothing to do with putting a player in a position to succeed,  it’s like Popovich telling Matt Bonner to put the ball on the floor and drive more when what he’s really good at is knocking down spot up threes. A good coach looks at the players on his roster and determines their strengths and devises schemes that take advantage of their strengths. Stuckey’s strength is that he’s big for a PG and he can get to the rim, you make him a shooting guard or small forward then you take away one of his strengths, his size vs other PG, and make it a weakness since he gives up size to most SG and SF. Knight as a SG is the same thing, as a SG you’re putting him in a position of weakness. Sometimes the roster makeup forces you to do that but Frank has done it way too much for my liking. 

          • Apr 12, 20133:34 pm
            by G

            So you point out Knight’s slight height disadvantage at SG and ignore his disadvantages at PG (ball-handling, court vision, decision making, etc.)?

            For everyone who’s trying to make the case (and it’s not a straw man, there are people saying this) that Knight should start at PG next year, how is that NOT sacrificing wins for player development? 

            Also, getting back to this idea that the Pistons should go back to the Stuckey-Knight back court of last year… Stuckey has already proven he’s not capable of taking on a full-time PG job. Knight has proven the same. It’s clear that the Pistons need upgrades on their perimeter, so you’d be limiting them to the SF position and bench players. A team of Stuckey, Knight, the best SF free agent money can buy, Monroe and Drummond would be TERRIBLE for spacing. 

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